The ‘Lucky’ Ones

As a proud gay male and very out TV, I am very proud of that brave couple in Ca. I only hope there will come a time when my partner of 10 years and I can marry.

Part 2

A certain number of gay men will feel better if they can call their partner husband and some lesbians will enjoy calling their partner wife, but society as a whole is not benefitted by such a redefinition of those words. Society as a whole does not benefit by removing, as California did, the words bride and groom from marriage licenses and substituting Partner A and Partner B.

But hoping that the more radical gays and straights of the gay rights movement will ask what benefits society? before what makes some gays feel better? is useless.

And so, the movement appropriates the symbols and rhetoric of the back civil rights struggle when that struggle and the movement to redefine marriage have next to nothing in common. How can a seriously moral individual compare forcing a black bus rider to sit in the back of a bus or to give up his seat to a white who demands it, or prohibiting a black human being from drinking from the same water fountain or eating at the same lunch counter as a white human being, or being denied the right to vote, or being prohibited from attending a school with whites, let alone being periodically lynched, to either the general gay condition today or specifically to being given the right to redefine marriage for society?

The vast majority of Americans, including those who oppose same-sex marriage, know that the homosexual is created in Gods image every bit as much as is the heterosexual; and acknowledge that the gay man or woman has a right to love whom he or she wants and that commitment has the right to be given legal protections.

But radically redefining the most important institution in the life of a civilization; and routinely labeling as the moral equivalent of racists every individual who does not want children regularly asked whether they will marry a boy or a girl when grown up, and who rightly fears that every traditional religious community will be labeled as a hate group -- these are not commensurate with civil rights.

Gay and straight activists who liken their demand to redefine marriage to black suffering under Jim Crow merely cheapen historic black suffering. Most blacks know this but for the sake of their political coalition wont say it. They should. Rosa Parks is in a different moral category than the protestors against Proposition 8. --Dennis Prager

Actually, every major scientific and psychiatric organization in the WORLD has concluded that homosexuality is indeed natural, not a choice, and have documented numerous cases of it occurring naturally in the animal kingdom. You should also know that the scientific community still does not fully understand the origins of human sexuality, but they all conclude and agree that it to be a complex combination of environmental, cognitive, and biological factors. Be educated:
http://www.soulforce.org/article/1365

This issue isn???t about the Bible, or having your religion accept the concept of 2 members of the same sex being married. This issue for gay people is about the government we share providing the same rights to all couples. Gay couples are already committed to each other, have families, and pay the same amount of taxes as straight couples. All they want are the same recognition under the law. Period. End of story. And it???s just a matter of time until public opinion on the issue continues to change, as it already is, and the reality of gay couples being regarded equally to heterosexual couples is fully realized. Equality does matter: http://www.equalitymatters.org/

Hatred and misrepresentation of the facts has been a characteristic of the supporters of the proposition to redefine marriage.

" It is apparently inconceivable to many of those who wish to change the definition of marriage that a decent person can want to retain the man-woman definition. From newspaper editorials to gay and other activist groups, the theme is universal -- proponents of traditional marriage are haters, the moral equivalents of those who opposed racial equality. As The New York Times editorial on the subject put it, Proposition 8 is "mean-spirited."

But it is the charge of hate (along with bigotry, homophobia and intolerance) that is the primary charge leveled against supporters of Proposition 8. That's why one major anti-Proposition 8 group is "Californians Against Hate."

Any honest outsider would see that virtually all the hate expressed concerning Proposition 8 comes from opponents of the proposition. While there are a few sick individuals who hate gay people, I have neither seen nor heard any hatred of gays expressed by proponents of Proposition 8. Not in my private life, not in my e-mail, not from callers on my radio show.

It is the proponents of same-sex marriage who express nearly all the hate -- because in fact many of them do hate, loudly and continuously. But hate in the name of love has a long pedigree. Why should our generation be different?

These charges of "hate" against proponents of retaining the man-woman definition of marriage do not speak well for those who make them. I, for one, find it easy to believe that most opponents and most proponents of Proposition 8 are decent people. There are millions of decent people who think marriage should be redefined. I think they are wrong, but I do not question their decency.

Why won't those who favor redefining marriage accord the same respect to the millions of us who want gays to be allowed to love whom they want, live with whom they want, be given the rights they deserve along with the dignity they deserve, but who still want marriage to remain man-woman? "

Love the sinner not the sin! I disapprove of gay marriage. I will not ever believe that being "GAY" is a civil right. Even the evolutionist who I disagree with state that being gay is unnatural. America was founded on Christian principals and we need to go back to these principals if we are going to make America a better place. YES I am a Democrat and a Liberal but refuse to sell my morallity for mankind.

If I was violent, I would demand the burning down of fundamentalist Baptist and Jehovah Witness and other Protestant and Roman Catholic churches. I'm not that way though. I wouldn't blame others for wanting the same.

The real reason for gays imposing gay marriage on the majority is just for their own financial self interests to get more money for their lusts knowing it will damage and confuse the future of our children and grandchildren. What is wrong with civil unions? Is love prohibited in civil unions. Gays are always for multiple sexual gay partners and anal - penile sex in bathouses.They were only forced to become monogamous or be exterminated when AIDS came to America and their sexual practices facilitated the transmission of AIDS.

I find it astonishing as a California resident how many gays "don't get it". Californians want you to have all the legal rights straights do, and to the best of my knowledge (which is why the court ruled the way it did) you do have them. What we object to, is you changing the name of what WE have. The smart way to have done this was to amend the legal section on marriage to include "Traditional Marriage" (one man and one woman) and "Same Sex Marriage" (two persons of the same sex). Each of them having all the other subsections wording equal. It would pass in a minute and would not be effectively opposed by any organization. Then you would have exactly the same rights, etc. as straights but you would not be re-defining what our marriage means to US. Simple. DUH.

PUT NOTHING IN THE CHURCH COFFERS.

Is this an opinion or is this journalism. No wonder Newsweek voted for Obama!

If the fundamentalist small-mindedness of "monkeys", as Blacks were referred to in the "dark ages" of US history want it both ways, and want to try to discriminate against Gays and Lesbians in the name of their historically inaccurate, archaic, literal, ignorant biblical hate-mongering of their previous oppressors, the Slave owners, then let's turn it back on them! RISE UP AND REFUSE TO PAY THE SCHOOL TAXES THAT HELP THEM< STOP PAYING FOR THEIR HEALTH CARE< WELFARE< FOOD STAMPS< JOBS ET AL> protesting with the pocketbook is the best approach. Refuse to support them and Obama. Smash Obama in the media instead of adoring him as I have adored and supported him like a moron. It is time to protest. If it means the ugliness of racism against the religious right hate-mongerers is the way, than so be it. Perhaps, and I hate to say it, those church burnings were the right approach via the KKK so many decades ago. These people are as bad as the people who oppressed and discriminated against them, and so is Obama these days for not moving a finger to point out the injustices against a huge segment of the US Population. It is time for massive protests and boycotts.

I'm a very proud American... don't know or care what a "very out TV" is and see in the photo the gays got OUR flag waving and not one Pi** Streak flag of coded international collaboration showing.
Wierd how they wave OUR flag one day and think America sucks, too. down right creepy.

The inequality and the irregularity of Civil Rights for all gay and lesbian couples nationwide versus State by State and partially but not all in CA, is reprehensible and not Constitutionally sound. Barack Obama if he truly is a US Constitution scholar should prepare an EXECUTIVE ORDER to legalize SAME SEX MARRIAGE NATIONWIDE. There is separation of Church and State and he tries to straddle the low ground with his fundamentalist followers of the African American and other low educated masses in all racial groups. He forgets that this is a nation where church and state are separate, and his personal views are irrelevant. It is a Human and Civil Rights issue and must be corrected with a National Law that allows SAME SEX MARRIAGES. Otherwise those people involved in such oppressed groups should boycott paying "SINGLE" income taxes and school taxes!