The United Auto Workers: Busted?

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  • Posted By: powertotheppl @ 06/03/2009 9:24:53 AM

    Where was the Union to protect the auto workers from the incompetence surrounding them? If the union truly is for the better interests of the worker they would have made sure that the rampant mismanagement and failure to have foresight into future trends (such as the cost of fuel finally equalizing with the rest of the world) would have been addressed. But do not just blame those running the unions and the companies themselves, but blame those that happily participated and paid those union leaders to represent them ??? the worker bees. If you are not part of the solution then you are, as they always say, a part of the problem. It is hard to have pity on anyone involved, from the janitorial closet on up, for what is transpiring today. Unions once had their place, unfortunately, as sighted in many of these posts; they are the bulk of the problem. Forcing business plans for paying workers pensions for 25, 30 to 40 years past early retirements, setting wage and benefits scales far beyond necessity or reality of what even the most successful companies could ever bear ??? and the sheep followed right into the slaughter! Talk about mismanagement! And it is not just the UAW ??? if any of the unions were doing their jobs for those they claim to protect then they would have been protecting the jobs that were allowed to walk off shore and to other countries. Oh wait, they couldn???t prevent it because they made sure that the unjustified wages paid to workers in the U.S. insured that those jobs had to go elsewhere. WAKE UP AMERICA the bell now tolls for thee! Look for the Union label, and when you find it, go anywhere else!

    • Posted By: uniondude @ 06/03/2009 9:53:50 AM

      Where do you think your work rules come from??? That,s right the UNION.How about your 40 hour work week, PAID vacation, HEALTH carefor your FAMILY. Maybe you should thank the UNION and quit shopping at Walmart. Support your mom and pop stores that have survived in these bad times. And do you really think that you don,t belong to an organization that you could call a union. AMA ADA AAR ABA. Doctors,dentists, railroads, lawyers etc........

      • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 06/03/2009 10:56:21 AM

        Apples and organges, uniondude. And to defend what the UAW and alike have become based on a few basic "benefits" carved out over 50 years ago is pitiful. Our entire economy and culture has dramatically changed from the early days of forced labor. The mythology of Big Labor needs a serious re-do...starting with a realization that its mission was accomplished many a moon ago and that its current existence is destructive to the very people it purportedly "represents."

  • Posted By: Still Free in the USA @ 06/03/2009 10:48:47 AM

    Re Mr. Obama paying attention to what is important: uh, does this make any sense to you?
    Obama Invites Iranian Officials to 4th of July Parties
    Obama administration authorizes U.S. embassies around the world to invite Iranian officials to Independence Day parties they host.
    AP Tuesday, June 02, 2009
    SAN PEDRO SULA, Honduras -- In a new overture to Iran, the Obama administration has authorized U.S. embassies around the world to invite Iranian officials to Independence Day parties they host on or around July 4th.
    A State Department cable sent to all U.S. embassies and consulates late last week said that U.S. diplomats could ask their Iranian counterparts to attend the festivities, which generally feature speeches about American values, fireworks, hot dogs and hamburgers.
    The notice, sent on Friday, said that the posts "may invite representatives from the government of Iran" to the events, a State Department official said Tuesday, quoting from the document. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an internal communication.
    It was not immediately clear how many embassies and consulates would actually invite Iranian diplomats to the July 4 parties or whether any Iranians would accept the invitations.
    The cable was first reported by The New York Times.
    The move comes amid the administration's ongoing efforts to engage Iran in variety of venues, including formal diplomatic meetings over its nuclear program, violence in Iraq and the situation in Afghanistan.
    But Iran has given mixed responses to the overtures, which began early in the administration when President Barack Obama recorded a videotaped greeting to the Iranian people and its leaders for their new year.
    Since then, the administration announced that it would be a full participant with Iranian officials in six-nation talks aimed at getting Iran to address concerns about its suspect nuclear program. The U.S. and others accuse Iran of trying to develop nuclear weapons.
    Iran maintains it is only interested in a civilian atomic energy program and has refused to accept a package of incentives offered by the U.S. and its partners to get it to stop enriching uranium, a process that can produce the fuel for a nuclear weapon.
    The U.S. also ensured that Iran was invited and attended an international conference on Afghanistan at which U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke and an Iranian official had a brief exchange with a senior American diplomat.
    During that meeting in The Hague, U.S. delegates passed an informal note to Iranian officials seeking information about three Americans then missing or detained in Iran.

  • Posted By: concerned liberal @ 06/03/2009 10:47:06 AM

    Anyone want to take a guess on how long it is till we become informed as to the links between the UAW and organized crime as well as the aid that us taxpayers gave to those criminal organizations via president Barrack Unions First Obama?

  • Posted By: Larry751 @ 06/02/2009 8:54:47 PM

    Daniel Gross You are an Insulting Dumb Fu*k Idiot to Compare the Political Slightly Left of Center Unionist's to Communist's.

    Now take your Hitleright Far Right A$$ to Hell where you Belong.

    • Posted By: jtmoy19607 @ 06/03/2009 12:29:59 AM

      so you support corporate fascism, which is what the republicans did with privitazied medicare

      • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 06/03/2009 5:58:26 AM

        What have you been smoking? Privatized medicare? Put down the "I Love Obama" sign and go visit the CMS website.

        • Posted By: devildogs @ 06/03/2009 10:36:12 AM

          I like how you put things Libertyfirst. You shot straight from the hip, i do the same. No since in sugar coating the truth or being "politically" correct. Never could understand why we started that trend.

          As far as the Privatized healthcare statement, how about what our "wonderful" leader whats to do with heathcare. Wanting to use tax dollars paid in by the working class to cover the lazy nonworking class. Not right at all. I do feel we should do something to help the children of those nonworking folk, not their fault the parents are to lazy to find work. But anyone that is 18 and older should not be helped. At that age you need to be responsable for yourself and quit using the Government ATM to support your lazy a**. Get out and find a job and be a contributing member of Society.

    • Posted By: unionsfail @ 06/03/2009 10:13:03 AM

      oh no the old union dog responsable for the fall of american made auto's is getting snippy

  • Posted By: Still Free in the USA @ 06/03/2009 10:33:31 AM

    We have to be fair on this one for sure. All of us must accept responsiblity

  • Posted By: Still Free in the USA @ 06/03/2009 10:28:47 AM

    ???Too big to fail,??? we said in our collective arrogance. Too much pain. Too many suppliers forced out of business, too many workers unemployed, too many pensioners struggling to survive on reduced benefits. All probably true, and all part of the economic logic that built this country. Brutal, yes, but when you see the pain that the Indians and Chinese are willing to bear in order to supplant us as world leaders, you may remember that it???s a price our ancestors bore when America was ascendant.
    The truth is that as a nation, we???re no longer ???up to it,??? the ???it??? being the costs associated with world leadership. We, GM and America have entered our dotage. Obama isn???t the problem, he???s just a symptom. (And to demonstrate how non-partisan this is, remember that it was Republican Bush ???43 and his trusty sidekick ???Help U.S.??? Hank Paulson who argued for Detroit???s first $25 billion as well as $700 billion in TARP funds. It was at that very moment that Old America was declared dead and gone by its elites. All Obama has done is turn up the volume on the same song.)
    As a collective group we elected Obama to stop the pain. By making General Motors in effect a new department of the federal government, Obama, by deferring the pain to the Chinese government???s willingness to buy our bonds, has only done what some predicted and others turned their euphoric heads to--- America???s decline???it???s only a secret inside this country.

  • Posted By: magic_marker @ 06/03/2009 2:42:23 AM

    Let's not forget the essential point: with 65 percent of Chrysler and 17.5 percent of General Motors the UAW is pretty much in a position to dictate policy to the boards if they don't like what they see.

    It's is thus a bit farfetched to suggest that Jack Welch has somehow hookwinked them into compliance

    • Posted By: unionsfail @ 06/03/2009 10:18:53 AM

      and if you comprehend what was typed above it states they have NO executive rights/representation on the boards....so therefor they have no say in anything more than what they did

  • Posted By: victorfrazee @ 06/03/2009 10:10:02 AM

    Incompetent greedy & deceitful execs, overpaid workers-rediculous union benefits, too many models, low quality cars couldn't keep up with Japanese quality, and let's not forget too many perks for the execs who are just as corrupt as politicians.

  • Posted By: The Messiah @ 06/03/2009 10:05:20 AM

    I have seen the enemey and it is us...

  • Posted By: mecheng70 @ 06/03/2009 9:35:59 AM

    An independent study of economists earlier in the spring estimated that GM's labor costs were roughly$76 per hour when taking into consideration salary, wages and benefits as opposed to Toyota's $46 per hour. Enough said.

  • Posted By: rmooreh @ 06/03/2009 9:11:58 AM

    If this article describing whats going on isn't describing communism's arrival in America, and if Newsweek isn't Pravda, then there is no God.
    Just who in their right mind is ever going to buy a car from a GM that is going to make cars that have to be made of cardboard (to meet the mileage requirements) and powered by the wind (because all the earths oil will b and costing more than a Lexus (the meet all the environmental, safety and politically correct rules). And we're supposed to want the cars they build. Will all the Secret Service agents and Senators and Congressmen give up their Suburbans, will all the Police Departments now be driving hybrid subcompacts, Taxi/Limo drivers have electric cars.... but giving the people what they want is no longer valid in this new age of Government Motors. We will buy what they make and like it, so says the new owner of GM.

  • Posted By: Jesus Christ returned @ 06/03/2009 9:04:39 AM

    Glad to see that the UAW and all the union workers out there are finally geting what they deserve. Unions love to make sure under qualified and under educated people make much more than a fair wage for what they contribute while the people who actually do contribute are screwed. When they guy who tightens a bolt on a vehicle makes as much or more than the guy who designed the vehicle there is a problem. I just wish all unions would get theres like the UAW. When I see a union worker the only thing I can help but think is worthless. I would sooner buy chinese than buy something made by a union here in america.

  • Posted By: rramjet @ 06/03/2009 8:29:50 AM

    Hindsight being 20/20..... what the automakers should have done years ago is what reagan did to the Air traffic Controllers, FIRE THEM!!! IF.... they had only busted the union they would be in business today

  • Posted By: dawglb17 @ 06/03/2009 8:13:08 AM

    WOW - how many of you would do the following? If you owned a company and hired me at 18 and I worked for you for 30 years (I would now be 48). You paid me for those 30 years - correct?? Then how many of you would be happy paying me a pension and healthcare benefits until I die? That would be at least another 30 years - and I didn't have to do a single function of work for you for those last 30 years. Great business model isn't it???

  • Posted By: dawglb17 @ 06/03/2009 8:12:26 AM

    WOW - how many of you would do the following? If you owned a company and hired me at 18 and I worked for you for 30 years (I would now be 48). You paid me for those 30 years - correct?? Then how many of you would be happy paying me a pension and healthcare benefits until I die? That would be at least another 30 years - and I didn't have to do a single function of work for you for those last 30 years. Great business model isn't it???

  • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 06/03/2009 5:46:24 AM

    Goodbye UAW...and good riddance. These crooked, business busting, crime-rid organizations have long ago served their original purpose. Society has changed. And so too should the notion of $65K unskilled labor jobs. So long!

  • Posted By: BBBB7654 @ 06/02/2009 7:03:51 PM

    LABOR COST TO BUILD YOUR HOME IS ABOUT 60%. TO BUILD A CAR IT IS ABOUT 10 % OR LESS.

    • Posted By: gabber @ 06/02/2009 7:20:12 PM

      It depends on the car and the house. The costs vary greatly across the board. The fact still remains that labor and legacy costs for US automakers is unsustainable, as proven by the bankruptcies. What do you think the bailout money was for? It was for Payroll.

      • Posted By: jtmoy19607 @ 06/03/2009 12:31:21 AM

        his point is that the labor costs are greatly exaaggerated and he is right, health insurance costs, marketing costs, are a bigger problem.

        • Posted By: massein @ 06/03/2009 2:41:30 AM

          And the CEO was making what , Maybe !
          $10,000 per hour, Don't blame labor for following the leadership provided by the CEO's and Management

  • Posted By: dale's had enouph @ 06/02/2009 5:59:16 PM

    The push for higher wages, and benefits only added to the raise in cost of living, so really where is the gain? You have to compete with places and countries with lower wages and cost of living. It's common since for manufactures to go for where they can get the more bang for there buck.

    • Posted By: jtmoy19607 @ 06/03/2009 12:36:12 AM

      except 401k's leave to less money for retirees and therefore less future spending, besides wall street loves all the money from pensions investing in wall street

      • Posted By: massein @ 06/03/2009 2:22:46 AM

        before you complain about worker benfits, let not forget CEO greed

    • Posted By: jtmoy19607 @ 06/03/2009 12:35:06 AM

      as long as the product is of quality yes.

    • Posted By: gabber @ 06/02/2009 6:45:23 PM

      Actually, Honda and Toyota are remaining competitive while paying a competitive salary to their non-union workers here in the US, and their cars have less foreign made parts than some of the big 3's cars. True, they don't have the legacy costs, but they will never incur them either, since they don't do pensions, they do matching 401k's. It's amazing what people will achieve when they have control rather than giving all control to a central entity (i.e. union).

    • Posted By: Attila the Pun @ 06/02/2009 6:12:39 PM

      So, why don't you offer to lower your wages to compete with the third world labor costs? That would be putting your money where your mouth is. What's that you say? Oh, someone else should do it first. Gee, what a shock that is. Why don't you put your hypocrisy on e-Bay and see how much you can get for it?

  • Posted By: tstucker @ 06/03/2009 1:05:37 AM

    Let's see if I have this right. The UAW had agreed not to strike against the UAW until 2015. Are they really that stupid? Well, yeah. Probably.

  • Posted By: BBBB7654 @ 06/02/2009 6:40:02 PM

    EVERYONE THINKS LABOR COST FOR GM IS HIGH. WHERE CAR YOU TAKE YOUR CAR AND HAVE SOMEONE PUT A PART ON IT FOR $.86 CENTS? THAT IS WHAT IT COST IN LABOR AT AN GM-UAW PLANT IN THE UNITED STATES. $.86 CENTS TOTAL TO PUT A BATTERY IN, FENDER ON OR ANY OTHER PART PLUS IN THAT $.86 CENTS IS INCLUDING THE BENEFITS. THAT IS THE TOTAL LABOR COST AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE CAR ANYWHERE. THE LINE WORKER COMES TO THE CAR WHEN HE GOES TO WORK AT THE PLANT.

    • Posted By: gabber @ 06/02/2009 6:54:01 PM

      Not sure what you're referring to here, but I know of many senior auto workers who sit on their butts watching the newbys come in and do all the work, and tell them 'don't worry, when you've been here as long as I have, you'll be able to sit back and watch everybody else work too'. That mentallity, while it may not be from a majority of workers is predominant enough to cause the labor costs to be unsustainable, not to mention that those displaying that mentallity are untouchable since they run to the union leaders if management complains about their lackadaisical performance. Add to this the increasing per unit cost of the ongoing pay and healthcare to their retirees, and you've got a recipe for disaster. I saw this coming for years, it's only the prosperity we saw in the '90's that allowed it to sustain itself for this long.

      • Posted By: jtmoy19607 @ 06/03/2009 12:34:35 AM

        Do union work rules make domestic companies less efficient than their non-union competitors?
        A: No. According to the latest data from the Harbour Report, an independent study of factory efficiency, 9 of the 10 most efficient auto assembly plants in North America are union plants, represented by either the UAW or the Canadian Auto Workers. (Harbour Report 2008,

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