Rachel's Vineyard is a movement that offers emotional and spiritual healing for those suffering from the trauma of an abortion experience. The author may not realize the companion emotions she shares with women whose lives are "holes that won't be sewn up" because of their decision to destroy growing life, a tragic irreversible decision. Maybe you can find relief there. Our merciful Lord Jesus offers healing to ALL victims of the tragedy of abortion. Healing and forgiveness to those who sincerely seek His Divine Mercy. Two wrongs don't make a right. Abortion and murder are both irreversible. THINK. PRAY for the Divine Wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
Abortion-War Casualty
My uncle was murdered for terminating pregnancies. The Tiller shooting has brought it all back.
Jun 5, 2009 | Updated: 2:32 p.m. ET Jun 5, 2009
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Posted By: ObamaMama @ 08/31/2009 4:52:00 PM
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Posted By: sms29s66 @ 06/08/2009 2:35:34 PM
mkf1, please reconsider your post. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"? Hitler could have done a head count of the Jewish population of Europe, compared it to the general poppulation and used your logic to justify the Holocaust. The Bill of Rights was passed to protect the rights of the few from the many. Bite your tongue!
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Posted By: mkf1 @ 06/29/2009 5:39:20 AM
Youe bullshit Jew response is not worthy or reasoned debate.
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 06/28/2009 1:20:03 AM
Texgirl...where do you get off on judging people? I didn't realize that is how supposed Christians, as you claim to be, act. King David...in the Bible...was guilty as sin of murder, adultery, and stealing; yet, he was a man after God's own heart. Yeah, it's easy to cast judgment and throw stones at others while trying to convice yourself that somehow you are better than them...do you try to justify your own sins, TEXGIRL??? According to the Bible...which I am sure that you claim to believe in...the heart of the Lord is MERCY.
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Posted By: Theodosius_I @ 06/05/2009 5:17:01 PM
It is always a tragedy when someone has to suffer for what someone else did. Hence, after the Columbine school shooting, I felt at least some pity for the parents of Harris and Klebold. However, I felt much worse for the Columbine students who were shot in cold blood.
My point: our compassion is owed to those who need it most, like the approx. 9,000 human beings that Tiller had killed.
And, just for the record, I would much rather call a spade a spade than put my foot in my mouth for fear of being called "self-righteous" every time someone else thinks that a spade is a club.-
Posted By: texgirl @ 06/05/2009 9:44:34 PM
Theodosius, that monstrous inhuman man tortured and killed 60,000 full sized living, children. Him and his whole family are hypocrites. Filled with greed on the millions they made from our tax dollars(and we the people do nothing) and laughing all the way to church every Sunday. This is what I regard as a disgusting family. Thank you Scott Roeder for having the courage to do what our government doesn't want to. The remainder of the other 2 late term abortion clinics hopefully will be shut down.
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Posted By: atalex @ 06/09/2009 1:01:28 AM
I hope the terrorist Scott Roeder gets raped in prison every night for the rest of his life. And that goes for the American Taliban members who support him like yourself, as well. I may be godless, but you are soulless, and I'd rather burn in hell than spend eternity surrounded by inhuman creatures like you.
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Posted By: Hanabi-ishi @ 06/24/2009 5:16:07 PM
Uh..texgirl? This may come as a shock to you, but YOU don't have the right to make reproductive decisions for other people. It must pain you that you cannot, but let me ask you this. Are you willing to advocate for housing, health care, job training, legal services etc for the mothers caught in a crisis pregnancy? Are you willing to track down the fathers of these unborn children and picket his home or workplace day in and day out and call him out on his inability to "man up" and support his chiild? Will you be there to comfort and advocate forthe victim of rape and incest who became impregnated because of sexual assault? If not, then guess what? You are anti-choice, NOT PRO-Life. Your and your ilks love affair with the fetus but abandonment of the child once it is born is so un Christ like it is disgusting. Plus, how can you be sure all late term abortions are due to a mother to be not wanting to be inconvienced? Do you think a child should be brought into this world only to die painfully from horrible disease or birth defects? Oh, and your Scott Roeder is not a hero. He is a coward and deserves the punishment that will be meted out to him. If he was courageous, he would be working to insure that children have the essentials for a healthy start in life even if he takes money out of his pocket. .
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/25/2009 5:23:13 PM
Uh..texgirl? This may come as a shock to you, but YOU don't have the right to make reproductive decisions for other people.
This may come as a shock to you, but YOU or others don???t have the right (moral) to take a life from the innocent.
It must pain you that you cannot, but let me ask you this. Are you willing to advocate for housing, health care, job training, legal services etc for the mothers caught in a crisis pregnancy?
Crisis pregnancy is a Oxymoron if the woman???s life is not endangered. Why should she take care of someone who has chosen to get pregnant or have sexual relationships? Are we advocating irresponsibility to those who get pregnant and responsibility (of other people???s decision) to those who have nothing to do with the choice?
Are you willing to track down the fathers of these unborn children and picket his home or workplace day in and day out and call him out on his inability to "man up" and support his chiild?
Why should she do something that the mother is responsible for knowing where the father of her child is residing?
Will you be there to comfort and advocate for the victim of rape and incest who became impregnated because of sexual assault?
If she is trained in this area I would say she would but a untrained person shouldn???t be counseling them as you suggest. Each hospital has a rape counselor who will advise the victim of where to get treatment.
If not, then guess what? You are anti-choice, NOT PRO-Life.
Stupid synopsis if I do say so myself! This has nothing to do with saving the LIFE OF THE UNBORN, it has to do with providing for the born. At least know the difference before spouting such crazy nonsense.
Your and your ilks love affair with the fetus but abandonment of the child once it is born is so un Christ like it is disgusting.
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/25/2009 5:26:24 PM
Plus, how can you be sure all late term abortions are due to a mother to be not wanting to be inconvienced?
Look at the statistics for late term abortions. http://abortionabout.com/latetermabortionstatistics.html
In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI), an affiliate of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA), collected questionnaires from 1,900 women who were at abortion clinics procuring abortions. Of the 1,900, "420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks." These 420 women were asked to choose among a menu of reasons why they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. Only two percent (2%) said "a fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy," compared to 71% who responded "did not recognize that she was pregnant or misjudged gestation," 48% who said "found it hard to make arrangements," and 33% who said "was afraid to tell her partner or parents." The report did not indicate that any of the 420 late abortions were performed because of maternal health problems. ["Why Do Women Have Abortions?," Family Planning Perspectives, July/August 1988.]
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/pbafact9.ht
Do you think a child should be brought into this world only to die painfully from horrible disease or birth defects?
Thousands of people die each year from horrible disease and defects brought by accidents and other means. Should we terminate their life as well? Your Strawman is very weak to say the least.
Oh, and your Scott Roeder is not a hero. He is a coward and deserves the punishment that will be meted out to him.
I agree with this statement it was an act of a coward to gun down a man like a dog. It is also a coward thing to terminate the life of the unborn because one is afraid of responsibility.
If he was courageous, he would be working to insure that children have the essentials for a healthy start in life even if he takes money out of his pocket. .
Hypocrite you are calling on others to do something that the mothers and fathers are failing to do for themselves. That is to get a job and support your children and work to ensure that your own children have the essentials for a healthy start in life. Even if it takes them working two jobs, after all they are the parents.
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/09/2009 10:02:23 PM
atalex you sound like you have a lot on your shoulders. Please think of this blog as just a point of view from many different people. Everyone, including you has a right to write what they think but, condoning that a writer on this blog should die is not a healthy way to think. Take a chill pill.
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Posted By: atalex @ 06/10/2009 4:35:02 PM
Dear texbitch, In the post directly above mine, you said "Thank you Scott Roeder for having the courage to do what our government doesn't want to," and now you think I'm "unhealthy" for wishing the same fate on you. Look in the mirror, lady.
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Posted By: SrAN @ 06/11/2009 3:40:30 PM
Atalex: To quote a common religious phrase, "Amen"!
Texgirl: How do you condone the killing of one man and then condemn those who have abortions. If murder is murder then is all should be wrong. I think you have some issues to work out. Especially some hate issues. I have been reading your blogs and this is the most hate filled vitriol I have read in a while. Practice what you preach honey cause you are only making your cause look like hate filled idiots.
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Posted By: SilentObserver_intheCorner @ 06/10/2009 5:37:19 PM
If they will not listen to what the good book says then, we'll just have to kill them, right. I have heard the this same argument before, except it was coming from a individual dressed in robes with a beard. Yes let's kill them all and let their god sort them out, fine example, I am proud not to believe in your god.
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 06/21/2009 6:19:23 PM
Honest questions require two possible answers...yes or no.
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/23/2009 3:52:31 PM
There is nothing honest about your question! Why ask a question when you already know the answer? I'm responding to why you even posted the question in the first place!
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 06/21/2009 6:16:03 PM
It's not a stupid question...it's an honest question.
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 06/18/2009 11:06:47 PM
Bojack27....have you EVER done anything disobedient/wrong in your entire life that was in need of God's forgiveness...well, have you???? I do agree that God is not the one to blame for all of our sins...that is our own doing.
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/19/2009 11:29:55 AM
Same reply as below
Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/17/2009 12:49:32 PM
Are you Serious? What a stupid question!
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Posted By: Hybriddialect @ 06/14/2009 10:30:18 AM
I???m a firm believer that women should have the right to choose. I???m also appalled by reports of children who have been abused and even killed by their parents. Living children, out of the womb, killed by their parents. Where is this ???God??? when that happens? Where is this ???God??? to assure that helpless children will be fed, clothed, loved and taken care of? This assumption of this ???God??? is ridiculous and dense. I am discussed when people will hide behind this ???God??? and Bible.
I???m not religious. I???m a believer in science and reality. Any woman who gets pregnant regardless of the way she became pregnant has the CHOICE to decide if she wants to be a parent. Being a parent is so much more than just carrying a child, and even carrying a child requires a little goddamn sense. I feel that children should be given the best start. If a woman knows she will not be able to provide this, WHY BRING ANOTHER CHILD INTO THIS WORLD??? Where is this ???God??? to take care of yet another child from a woman who has had 5 or 6 or more children, with different men, and puts her needs first? Where is this ???God??? then???
My question for those fiercely apposed to abortion: Will you take care of these children that women do not want? Will you pay for them? Will you adopt them? NO??? Then who the hell are you to judge them and their choices? I???m pretty sure your ???God??? frowns on that too.-
Posted By: kara70 @ 06/18/2009 6:49:45 PM
Finally someone with sense. How many lives and people have to be ruined in the name of religion? People, wake up, do the right thing and sstop looking to religion to rule your life. Opiate of the masses...
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/15/2009 10:53:25 AM
Why are you so concern about where God is? You don't believe in Him and don't care what others who do have to say about Him. God is where he is and where he should be, looking at those who obey Him and looking at those who disobey Him.
Your rant about those who care for the unborn and your feable attempt to spare them the pains of this world by butchering them unborn is INSANE! Quit blaming God when people live in disobedience! I have a NOVEL idea! How about woman and men wait until the get married to have sex and bear children! Hmmm this might catch on and being that I thought of this idea....ohhhh wait a minute this is what God said to do....my bad....after all what does the Creator of Mankind know about Mankind....let's just ignore His instructions and then blame Him for everything that goes wrong in the world.....yeah I know this sound stupid but people like Hybriddialect will think it is the best idea ever!.....GET REAL!
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Posted By: historygal58 @ 06/06/2009 7:50:29 AM
Bart Slepian was murdered by an extremist who should be executed for what he did. Dr. Slepian was an ob-gyn who knew exactly what he was doing every time he performed an abortion. There is no such thing as an unwanted baby--ask the many childless couples all across the US who are trying to adopt. Tiller admitted to performing 60,000 abortions between 1973 and 2009. At least half of them were on children over 21 weeks. These children died before they "had the life I thought was rightfully theirs--long, joyful, fully realized...." Murder is murder and as far as I am concerned Bart Slepian was just as much a murderer as the man who killed him. Bart Slepian was protected by a Supreme Court decision and his killer was not.
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Posted By: rpearlston @ 06/18/2009 2:25:57 AM
Just how many of those couples trying to adopt would be willing to adopt a severely disabled child? Just how many of them would have the knowledge and the bank account and the emotional strength to raise a child who could never react to them in any manner, could never be in any way a productive individual? That's what we're talking about here. And that number is infinitesimally low. Your argument doesn't and can't hold water. And your refusal to allow already independent individuals to make their own choices is wrong, no matter how you try to justify it.
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/18/2009 11:52:05 AM
So are you saying that those who are disabled shouldn't be allowed to live? Hmmm I feel sorry for you if you are disabled in the near future and your policies of who is fit to live in this world are enforced. By the way this is what Hitler advocated and carried out during his reign in Germany!
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Posted By: Theodosius_I @ 06/05/2009 7:41:06 PM
"You say that killing an unborn human being (no matter what stage of development) is murder, analogous to killing a man in a coma."
Correct.
"Would you consider it murder if the man in a coma had a relative whom could save his live by giving him part of his body (liver, kidney) refused to do so?"
No. Consider a similar case: Bob is threatened at gunpoint by a man who says he will give Bob five more minutes to live. Tom sees this going on, and does nothing to help Bob, for fear of being killed himself. The rational conclusion is that, while Tom may be a coward in refusing to help Bob, he is not a murderer.
"Perhaps the relative knew that giving the body part would risk his life and was unwilling to take that risk. Should the relative be forced to give up a part of his body for the coma patient?"
No. He should of course be encouraged to do so, and is truly a pathetic man if the risk to his own life is minimal, but the state cannot and should not force him to do so.
"And should his refusal be considered criminal behavior?"
No. I see where you're going with this, though. You're trying to draw an analogy to those very few cases in which a woman's life would be endangered if she were to bring her child to term. I would say that, if a woman is in grave danger of losing her own life in trying to save her child's, while she may not procur a direct abortion--according to which the death of the child is either an end or a means to an end--she may permit medical actions to be taken on her behalf which result in an abortion, so long as the abortion is neither directly caused nor intended.-
Posted By: rpearlston @ 06/18/2009 2:19:05 AM
I see where you think you're going, but your arguments are so specious as to be insulting to all rational people. You don't have the right, no matter how you cut it, to force your moral code or you point of view on anyone else. That's where you refuse to understand any of this. That's where you want to treat others independent human beings as subjects of your dictatorship. You don't have that power, and it's high time that you and every other person with this mistaken belief understood that..
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Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/17/2009 7:18:00 PM
While I do not condone Dr. Tiller's murder any more than I do the murder of unborn children, why do I feel that the world is a much better place without him?
Good riddance, Tiller the Killer.
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Posted By: skellmeyer @ 06/17/2009 6:07:00 PM
A lot of mothers, at least the ones who didn't die on the table, miss the children Dad aborted. But Dad was busy committing the "lesser of two evils."
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 06/15/2009 9:20:02 PM
bojack27...have you EVER disobeyed God??? Maybe even one time in your life??? Have you ever committed any sin that you were in need of forgiveness for??? Like possibly the sin of withholding forgiveness for those who have done wrong to you or to others???
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/17/2009 12:49:32 PM
Are you Serious? What a stupid question!
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Posted By: ermarh @ 06/13/2009 1:25:48 AM
We in America need to stop being so involved with other people's private business.
We want to regulate everything from what you do with your own body, to who you choose to be intimate with and/or marry.
If people spent more time worrying about their own lives, we might just be a happier nation.
Unless you are one of the parents involved in the pregnancy issue, it really is none of your business what others do with themselves or their bodies.
Really, would you weant someone telling you what to do, how to think, how to live?
We need to stop being so hypersensitive to things that have absolutely NOTHING to do with us, or injecting religious idealogies into the lives of others.
It is not our duty to tell people how to live their lives.
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Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/15/2009 10:57:12 AM
Yeah you are right! Who cares if the neighbor is molesting his children, raping his wife we shouldn't get involved because it is done in the privacy of his own home. This of course is nobody's business..... so when your neighbor screams at night just go back to sleep in your safe house and just worry about yourself......
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/05/2009 5:30:24 PM
That old say......God works in mysterious ways.
Some 60,000 innocent, alive and fully developed children where brutally tortured before they died. The evil doctors family new what was going on and they condoned it for the millions they were making.
I do not condone murder of any type but, I think we should thank Scott Roeder for having the immense courage to perform such a violent act. I'm sure Scott thought hard leading up to this murder and knowing the consequences he and his family will have to face. I thank God for giving him the courage.
I think all of us should send a thank you card or monetary value to the Wichita police Dept. on W. Elm St., Wichita, KS 67203. The women who allowed these abortions, unless their was rape or severe medical condition should and most likely will burn in hell.
This law of abortion is like humans reverting back to the stone age. Do we want to become like China. Are we going to allow our all powerful pharmaceutical companies to commit slow genocide with all the very, very bad over the counter drugs our good and trusted FDA allows. What more terrible monstrosities will we, the gentle and kind human beings tolerate. Have they made us to numb and greedy that we don;t give a rats ass about our fellow men and women and children.-
Posted By: notkeri @ 06/05/2009 7:44:50 PM
in response to Texgirl: God does work in mysterious ways - that being said, my God does not condone murder, in any form. My God weeps at every unborn child who dies. My God also weeps for this doctors death, and for his family. God did not give the man who shot this Doctor courage - the desire to kill, and the ability, came from Satan. To say the women who allowed these abortions should burn in hell subverts the entire concept of Christ: 'Let all who come to Me be washed in the blood of the Lamb.'.
I had an abortion when I was 16, when I was 30, I came to the Lord and asked Him into my heart - His love and forgiveness bathed me, and I will see His face when I die. I believe with all my heart that the Lord I love and follow would never praise someone for taking a life. I abhor abortion and do consider it murder. That does not justify taking a life. Study your scripture, Christ gave His life for the women who have abortions, the doctors who perform them, and the babies who die - and He loves them all.
I am a Christian, I love the Lord, and I do not want the hatred and ignorance in your posting to be what people consider a Christian to be. I will however pray for understanding, compassion, and a basic grasp of grammer and syntax for you.-
Posted By: texgirl @ 06/05/2009 10:09:09 PM
notkeri, I believe God stopped weeping for this doctor and his family a number of years ago or 59, 999 babies ago.
Have you also become numb and greedy and find a comfort in putting it all on God's shoulders. Then, tell me something.............why do we vote for all types of laws to be enacted. Those who voted to enact this law are as much to blame. If not, where does it stop....oh yeh!!!! God will forgive us for our stupid mistake. And, he will keep forgiving us and keep forgiving us for all the monstrous and unrighteous laws we vote yes for.
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Posted By: atalex @ 06/08/2009 3:07:58 PM
texgirl,
I hope, from the very bottom of my heart, that you get raped. That your rapist's baby develops into an ectopic pregnancy. And that you bleed out on the operating table, with your last thought being the realization that your baby has killed you and that your sick twisted god doesn't care.-
Posted By: jh35180 @ 06/08/2009 4:00:30 PM
atalex. Why do you write such depraved stuff? What does that say about you?
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Posted By: atalex @ 06/09/2009 12:54:24 AM
It says that I hate sociopaths, and that's what texgirl is: a twisted, soulless individual who is incapable of empathizing with any other person. The only way texgirl and those like her will ever understand why so many people find abortions to be necessary is if she finds herself in a similar condition. Without direct experience, such empathy is totally beyond her. She and her evil religion -- which is no better than the Taliban -- are the source of most of this country's problems, and I don't have an ounce of sympathy or compassion left for her. I'll save my compassion for the victims of her relligion.
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Posted By: JohnJefferson5566 @ 06/14/2009 12:52:18 PM
Hey atalex, don't listen to some of these people. Say whatever you like, however you like, ignore people who think you ought to censor yourself. When someone like texgirl who considers her self pro-life, then makes hypocritical statements that are pro-murder, she deserves what she gets.
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Posted By: jh35180 @ 06/09/2009 9:49:44 AM
I realize that hurled some sarcasm your way. Textgirl sounds very twisted. But you sound no better.
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Posted By: atalex @ 06/09/2009 12:22:01 PM
As Yoda tells us, "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side." I am a liberal democrat who unfortunately lives in the deepest, reddest part of the Bible Belt. There is no doubt in my mind that if texgirl (or someone just like her) knew where I lived and thought she could get away with it, she show up at my home or office to shoot me in the head. So you'll forgive me if I'm not overly charitable about whether she lives or dies, either.
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Posted By: inyd @ 06/14/2009 7:06:25 AM
atalex,
I stand with you on the issues of religion and women's choice, and applaud you for being assertive about the dangers of fear and ignorance. However, although I do not (yet) live where you live and experience what you experience, I'd like to also ask you to calm down and stop letting yourself be dragged down to texgirl's level.
One of the most common arguments I have heard from fundamentalist Christians is: "Christianity teaches morals. Now that the Western culture is becoming secular, look at the high crime rate and the horrible things people do to each other! Agnostics/atheists are violent and depraved by nature! They have no morals and no values!"
I say NO, Christianity does not equal morality and decency (as we have already seen from texgirl's rants), just as agnosticism/atheism does not equal immorality and indecency. Therefore, as one of the few representatives of we liberals in what you call "the reddest part of the Bible Belt", I urge you to swallow your frustrations and act with the decency and compassion that we would like to see from the fundamentalists.
I know it's hard, but we cannot let our own frustration be used as a weapon against us. A rational person is much more persuasive, and less easy to dismiss!
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Posted By: inyd @ 06/14/2009 7:17:07 AM
Bad grammar:
I meant to write "Therefore, as YOU ARE one of the few representatives of we liberals in what you call "the reddest part of the Bible Belt"..."
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/11/2009 1:19:48 PM
Atalex, you have a lot of depraved thoughts and a vicious mind set. I wish you some sort of happiness and the very best for we do not live forever here in our heavenly earth.
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/09/2009 9:56:40 PM
Atalex, you forgot to take your meds yesterday..........
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Posted By: bjsassy @ 06/08/2009 8:31:15 PM
Texgirl. I am shocked at your statments. I am pro-life. The pro-life community believes all life is sacred, the unborn and the born. We revere and respect life. Murder is never an option.
As soon as that individual contemplated ending Dr. Tiller's life, he ceased being pro-life. He may be an abortion opponent, but he took the law into his own hands by gunning down the doctor. The fact that you are thankful for the murder of a human being puts you at odds with pro-life views. I hope that you will continue to fight for the lives of these tiny innocent lives, but condemn vigilantism. We are a nation of laws.-
Posted By: jh35180 @ 06/09/2009 9:48:29 AM
One of the few good posts on here.
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Posted By: inyd @ 06/14/2009 7:13:09 AM
bjsassy,
Thank you for an incisive post. Although I am pro-choice, I can understand where pro-lifers are coming from, and it pains me when violent and immoral anti-abortionists also put themselves under the banner of "pro-life". Sure, pro-choicers and pro-lifers will be going head-to-head for years to come, and it is perhaps an ideological conflict that will never be resolved, but we all need to behave like rational adults. Murdering doctors and burning churches are both vile vigilante acts!
Have a nice day. :-)
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Posted By: hannah22 @ 06/08/2009 4:50:11 PM
TexGirl, have you ever even read the Bible, especially Exodus 20:13, Matthew 7:12, or Matthew 22:39? All three of those verses disprove your claim that God is okay with murder. So why are you ignoring those verses?
Also, why do you seem to think that your morals are more correct than a pro-choicer's morals? It's quite arrogant of you to think that, especially since this is such a complex issue filled with many shades of grey. Please learn to open your mind and actually listen to what pro-choicers have to say. Thanks. -
Posted By: dubldoc @ 06/08/2009 12:17:23 PM
Texgirl, you are truly a sick puppy to condone violence.
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/08/2009 1:22:21 PM
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Posted By: EsunaMeggy @ 06/08/2009 1:09:56 AM
Who are you as a human being to tell someone that they deserve to burn in hell? I do not know if you are a christian, but I remember a part in the bible where Jesus told the people that 'he among you without sin should cast the first stone". But everyone sins. So by what right exactly do you condemn someone to hell? Because I am very sure you are not Jesus.
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Posted By: bjsassy @ 06/08/2009 8:31:15 PM
Posted By: notkeri @ 06/05/2009 7:44:50 PM
The two posts to read. Murder is not justified by murder. It may be hard to 'sit idly by' while our government sanctions murder, but if we can do so while Jesus hung on a cross then we can suck it up and handle this as well.
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Posted By: Qidisrupt @ 06/12/2009 12:51:31 AM
TEXGIRL....JESUS TAUGHT US TO FORGIVE. "DO NOT REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL, RATHER DO GOOD THOSE WHO DO ALL KINDS OF EVIL TOWARD YOU. HOW CAN YOU ONLY LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE YOU, EVEN THE HYPOCRITES DO THAT." THE REASON I PUT QUOTES AROUND THESE 2 SENTENCES IS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WORDS THAT JESUS TAUGHT. YOU KNOW...THE GOD YOU CLAIM TO KNOW???? MURDERING SOMEONE TO EVEN THE SCORE IS NOT OBEYING THE LORD JESUS!!! JESUS ALSO TAUGHT US TO LOVE THOSE WHO HATE US, AND TO PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE US. IF YOU ARE GOD'S CHILD, THEN ACT LIKE IT!!!!
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Posted By: macker0410 @ 06/09/2009 6:01:05 PM
texgirl-
Being a concerned single girl with no children, I respect your opinion, as you should respect mine. But my god, what if your daugher gets pregnant when she is 16, or 19 or 21, or the same happens to your son getting a girl pregnant? This, going back to the point of making a decision yourself. Now I know at 16, they may not have the rights to make their own decision (not quite sure about the parental involvement), but beyond it's their decision. I don't want anything like this to happen to your kids or anyone for that matter, for it is a very very hard choice for a young person to make....
I was not raped, or have had anything like that happen to me. Don't talk about my parents, they are wonderful, VERY well educated people. They chose to let me make my own decision, which I did. The future of all man-kind cannot be controlled by you, sorry to say. I am not some poor white trash girl, who tried to trap a guy and it backfired, or any of that BS that goes on these days (it happens, if you didn't know) Maybe I don't want to keep supporting the welfare children, that MY hard earned money is paying for through our government. Sorry that I actually do have a good head on my shoulders, and I know that it was a choice I made, never a mistake.-
Posted By: PrincessGrace @ 06/09/2009 6:11:32 PM
Macker - I could not agree more. I feel badly for you that someone who knows nothing about your life or upbringing is trying to make you feel poorly fro your decisions, some that you didn't take lightly I'm sure. thank you for standing your ground for the rest of us, and for those who cannot speak for themselves.
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/09/2009 9:51:04 PM
It's known as being self centered and vain. You PrincessGrace thanked her for speaking out and thanked her for those who can't.
Those who can't, do not thank you because they have been tortured and killed and ripped out of their vain bodies.
I can't believe that what she wrote you fell for. Did you understand what she said..... she had an abortion because she wanted to keep her youth and graduate. And we allow people like her to think she is a good and decent person. I'm afraid she's far from that.
In case you didn't know, there is a big push by our government and many others to curb births. So I guess our government thanks you and all the others. What do they care.-
Posted By: macker0410 @ 06/11/2009 6:27:13 PM
you know what? I really have had enough of your talk TEXTGIRL. I really hope that you think about what you say to people. Oh and by the way. My youth was gone, I was 20 and graduated. I was in college, thanks. You really showed what a wonderful CHRISTIAN you are. You can go right back to wherever you live, whatever job you have and think like you do, and the world will change around you and you will be the only one left standing looking like the fool that you are now. I really was hoping to have a CONVERSATION. Not a hate rally against me. But I guess putting myself out there, for people like you is just another way for you to let everyone know how crazy you are!! Go ahead, maybe you can be the next one on the news! Hey maybe YOU will shoot ME instead! Since I "committed a crime" in your eyes. Grow up. Get over yourself ! Your absurd comments are hilarious.
P.S.
I graduated from college, not sure about you.
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/09/2009 5:25:58 PM
Why are so many people mindless in this country. And, they keep blaming or upholding their religion. Our religion didn't vote for abortion our religion didn't vote for all the wars we voted to fight, our religion doesn't teach our children right from wrong.
No....................It's the mother and father (not the lesbian or gay families) . We are turning into Sodum & Gamora???........our culture is teaching our children sex, murder, deception lying, thievery and our government loves this. This is what our government calls us simple workers "dumb downed". Don't do as I do; Do as I say.
Does anyone out their have any common sense left with everything going on with our economy, immigration and the meaning of a real family???-
Posted By: not-fooled-by-slick-talking-charlatans @ 06/11/2009 3:24:04 PM
I am a not a religious person, but even I know it is SODOM and GOMORRAH. Please control your desire to include gay and lesbian families into your tirade about family values, since you obviously have little or no experience with them. I am an out lesbian. My partner adult children, one of which has three children of her own. Until recently, the daughter with the children lived with us and we helped her with all of the daily responsibilities of raising children. This went on for four years. This is what real families do.
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Posted By: Vigilance @ 06/06/2009 3:10:46 PM
I find it repulsive how many people claim to be pro-life and then want abortion doctors killed.
If you murder someone, you are not pro-life, period.-
Posted By: orangeyellow @ 06/06/2009 5:59:09 PM
One of the ironies of the Pro-Life movement that I find just simply hilarous is that most Pro-Lifers also support the the Death Penalty. This means that they want the fetus to be born, however, they reserve the right to kill the fetus later in life should it not work out well. Why are most Conservative Cristians so full of hatefulness and why do most Conservative Christians find such joy in being hateful and vindictive and mean and hypocriticall?
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Posted By: cameron3073 @ 06/11/2009 10:05:20 AM
The last time I checked unborn babies don't go around killing innocent people. The fetuses themselves are innocent and have no ability to make their own decisions. Full-grown murderers already had their chance and they chose wrong.
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Posted By: orangeyellow @ 06/06/2009 6:03:19 PM
One of the ironies of the Pro-Life movement that I find just simply hilarous is that most Pro-Lifers also support the the Death Penalty. This means that they want the fetus to be born, however, they reserve the right to kill the fetus later in life should it not work out well. Why are most Conservative Cristians so full of hatefulness and why do most Conservative Christians find such joy in being hateful and vindictive and mean and hypocriticall?
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Posted By: jh35180 @ 06/07/2009 11:04:48 PM
One of the ironies of the liberal movement is that you chastise, and rightfully so, anybody who makes a prejudiced remark. Yet, you liberals are better at painting evrybody with a broad brush than anybody. How do you know that all conservaive Christians are full of hate? Did you take a random sample of conservative Christians? Did you conduct a scientific study as a basis for your conclusion? No, you do like so many "progressive" thinkers and jump to conclusions and make bigoted comments.
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Posted By: atalex @ 06/08/2009 3:06:34 PM
Conservative Christians aren't all full of hate ... just every one of them that I've ever met.
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Posted By: SilentObserver_intheCorner @ 06/10/2009 6:32:31 PM
You must live in the Bible Belt then for that kind of view. I feel you pain.
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Posted By: jh35180 @ 06/08/2009 4:01:06 PM
You must not get out too much then.
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Posted By: bjsassy @ 06/08/2009 8:45:23 PM
You are allowed to have your own opinions, but not your own facts. Pro-life people are as varied in their views as pro-choice people. Some believe in the death penalty and some do not. While I do not believe in the death penalty, I am always astounded at those who push for the right to kill an innocent baby, but are offended by the execution of a serial killer. That is really inconsistent.
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/09/2009 4:13:07 PM
Have you been in a war? Have you prayed for and thanked the American Soldier for who not only died but, who came home to tell his story of all the caus he has seen.
Are they murderes'? If not, why not? At least they were allowed to be born and live half a life. These babies (fully formed) never got this chance. They were tortured and killed even before they reached 1 month old. You tell me who the sickos are.-
Posted By: PrincessGrace @ 06/09/2009 6:17:13 PM
haven't been in a war, no, but have dated people who have gone to this horrible lie of a war we got ourselves into. also have thanked the men in question and all of their friends numerous times for standing up for my rights and defending our country.
last i checked, doctors who happen to perform abortions don't torture the fetus. and when you 16 year old gets pregnant because you refused to teach her anything about sex education and being responsible about her body and the hormones that she has, you get to tell her that because she one time messed up with the boy that she loves (as much as a 16 year old knows how),that moment is going to haunt her for the rest of her life and severely reduce her chances of graduating on time, take the rest of her childhood away immediately, and know that her mother thinks that she should have been "smarter" than the rest of the "white trash" out there.-
Posted By: texgirl @ 06/10/2009 6:15:36 PM
I'm sorry PrincessGrace but, I don't believe you got my point.
In our current war (Iraque?) and our previous wars that our previous administration has started, we sent soldiers to kill and or be killed. Our current administration is in the process of escalating to a newer and bigger war so we can send soldiers to kill and or be killed.
Do you consider these soldiers as committing murder? Even though they were ordered to kill.
Do we care about all the civilians.....women and children who are killed in these wars?
Why do we need abortion clinics? Because it makes it easier for young girls to have sex without consequences. These young girls know that these clinics are easily excess able in case they get pregnant.
Why can't we use regular doctors? Because a normal doctors office will only do abortions with a full prove of rape, incest or serious medical condition. Abortion clinics do not make this a priority, even though they are supposed to keep records.
Why are there more abortions and abortion clinics than 30 years ago? Because it's a viable tool for our government to control birth in this country. And, yes our young girls have been dumb downed to believe this is their easy out when they make that stupid mistake.
So.......where has the good empathetic human being gone to. I see no empathy with killing in a war and I see no empathy in killing an innocent baby still in the womb from people writing in on this forum or many other blog sites I have visited.
Shame on us. Please, make your own honest decision and don't lean on your bibles too much. Their are people in this country that rely on you trusting the bible only.....scary!
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Posted By: macker0410 @ 06/09/2009 4:45:29 PM
texgirl-
Its about the decision that a woman makes herself. We reserve the right to make decisions about everything else in our lives and now A MAN takes the life of another over something that is NOT his decision anyways. Have you ever been inside an abortion clinic? OR are you just one of the people outside? Have you ever had to make this decision? I am not God, and neither are you. So what is the difference if I chose to have an abortion and you didn't?
The fact of the matter is that having an experience such as this one, and knowing that before anything, I really was not pro choice or pro life. It made no difference to me. Now that it has been an occurance in my life, I am PRO CHOICE. A day does not go by that I forget what decision I made. Did I make the right one? For me yes. I know that for sure, I wouldn't make someone elses for them.-
Posted By: texgirl @ 06/09/2009 5:38:15 PM
macker0410, you at this junction have that right.
But, myself as a mother and concerned for the future of all man kind, you must have been a vain and irresponsible woman. Your parents and society are to blame for not teaching you that the God given right you have was overshadowed by lust and greed.
What does that tell you???
You say you are happy that women have the right to decide if they want to keep Joe's, Bob's or Dan's baby or not. Why can't women learn to make a decision before and have safe sex or even better NO sex. Then I wouldn't have to keep supporting your abortion clinics with my hard earned money.
Unless I'm mistaken and you were raped (didn't mention it) or incest or serious medical condition, I have no sympathy for women such as you.
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Posted By: texgirl @ 06/09/2009 4:26:19 PM
No one wants anyone killed. Not because it's a sin but, because it's monstrous and immoral for us human beings to do things like this. I do not condone anyone being murdered. All we need to do is teach our children decency and morals. Also, change the many bad laws our federal government has enacted.
Please don't keep throwing this on God's shoulders, We are to blame for the millions of babies dying needlessly each year.
Until our government can give us accountability and prove as to how many babies have been aborted due to rape, incest and or serious medical condition of the mother, I will abhor the abortion clinics; especially the late term clinics such as tiller ran.
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