Worried They Will Miss the War

Inside the Mind of West Point's Class of 2009.

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  • Posted By: DHAMPTON100 @ 06/07/2009 10:18:28 PM

    Worried that they will miss the war? Well, one thing is for sure: they certainly are young, cocky and extra dumb. Most young people are, they cannot help it. War is a terrible thing no matter what the reasons are for fighting. As a Veteran, I know. I would never avoid serving again even at my advanced age. I love my country and I love my family so laying down my life for either is not something I would have to contemplate in the least. That said, it still does not communicate that I am eager to run off to a war. If there is another way to successfully resolve the issue I will gladly take that option.

    I would love to see these same individuals 20 years from now, after they have grown up and ask them this same question. When I visit the VA medical center and I talk to returning Iraqi and Afghanistan Veterans they all say the same thing ---I hope I never have to do that again. They, too thought it would be an exciting game until they landed in the middle of a war zone with real bullets raining down all around you. That has a way of making you want to get the hell out of there direction., it changes your entire perspective on the subject. Had George Bush and Dick Cheney served they would not have been so quick to send our sons and daughter to battle. The only people eager to go to war are the people who have never been in battle!

    • Posted By: cstock15 @ 06/10/2009 8:14:57 PM

      Sir,

      First off, thank you for your service in our military. Secondly, I must disagree with your comments. I am one of the (now former) cadets quoted in the article and featured in the videos. I think you have made a snap judgment of me and my classmates. I can write only for myself, therefore please take this as my viewpoint alone. While I may seem young to you, I am older amongst my classmates because I went to college and joined the military and deployed to Iraq before entering West Point. I would not consider myself "cocky" as I have in fact seen combat and lost friends to it. I have fears and reservations, yet I AM confident in myself and the NCO corps of the Army to prepare me for the task at hand. As for being "dumb," I would argue that no one graduating from West Point can be considered dumb. Nor are we ignorant of what lies ahead for us. Quite simply, sir, we endeavor to be beside the men and women fighting to win America's wars. As officers and leaders, we wish to be where we belong, alongside our soldiers. We do not seek our place in battle because we relish the thought of dying or killing, but because we want to lead American soldiers. This is not a career move or a game. We know and are prepared for what is coming. Please do not presume to understand our motives based off of the title to an article.

    • Posted By: hlgns763 @ 06/08/2009 12:11:26 PM

      well said.

      i salute you for protecting my freedoms and going through hell so that i dont have to....

  • Posted By: ELIASID @ 06/10/2009 7:24:11 PM

    I remember when I tougth "better is I run graduation as CRISTIAN", because whit Him as COMANDENT I don not have to beat my peers and I will have life FOREVER, but while that happens I feeling so happy with my sons alive, thank JEHOVA! for open my eyes.

  • Posted By: Barton449 @ 06/10/2009 1:43:05 PM

    I remember when I felt like that. Then I grew up in the Central Highlands.

  • Posted By: Dredd @ 06/10/2009 12:48:18 PM

    Whatever happened to the conservative's hymn "Not Going To Study War No More"?

    http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/too-big-to-stop-killing-war-class.html

  • Posted By: The Messiah @ 06/10/2009 10:54:59 AM

    Not to worry... with the economic suffering in America, soon we will have class warfare.

  • Posted By: erikwm @ 06/10/2009 9:17:06 AM

    If I were parent to one of these cadets and I heard them say they were worried they'd "miss the war", I would slap them upside the head. LOL

  • Posted By: kunino @ 06/07/2009 5:43:00 PM

    The West Point class of 2009 seems only part of a nationwide code based on the idea that going somewhere and killing some foreigners is perhaps most valuable for giving the US military experience. The United States is military-strong, diplomacy weak. The first Gulf war was unnecessary, because the Iraqi government had met the US demands for peace, and was keeping its obligations. The Afghanistan war, similarly, started after the then-Kabul government agreed -- twice --to help the US round up all al-Qaeda in that nation. Other minor -- to the US -- recent foreign killings were the indefensible Panama City bombing and the invasion of Grenada against ... well, nobody, really. The claimed Cuban military force on that tiny island turned out to be a team of construction laborers and engineers, ordered from Havana not to fire on US forces unless attacked. The claimed Cuban airstrip that could be used for bombing attacks on the United States was known at the time to be a British airstrip under construction to boost European tourism in the Caribbean.

    War vet John McCain said a couple of times last year that he approved of wars like Panama and Grenada. Neither of these events was a war; but New Zealand and Andorra, you have been warned.

    • Posted By: FLFIG23 @ 06/07/2009 6:42:35 PM

      Wow, where do I even start? All I can say is that it was knowing that I was outperforming wimps like you that motivated me to wake up at 0500 and go to sleep at 2400 every day during my 4 years at West Point. And, it's pussies like you that take for granted the work that the military is doing to protect your laid back, paranoid lifestyle. Enjoy your freedom, dipshit. The recruit on the bus on his way to basic training has already done more for the USA than you've ever done. I've got an idea, how about you catch the next plane to the lovely mountains of Andorra. At least by gettting out of here, you'll have done something positive for your country. Oh, and don't forget your tin foil hat to keep the CIA from reading your thoughts.

      • Posted By: driveforfun @ 06/07/2009 8:03:25 PM

        Right on brother. It's amazing how many folks sit in the safety of their homes and discuss the merits of public policy without understanding the sacrifices made by the men and women (and their families) wearing a uniform. While not being a military veteran, I did do 30 years service in law enforcement, and fully appreciate the long hours, danger, and sacrifices made by those of us wearing a uniform. And we do not establish public policy, we are merely at the tip of the sword in making it happen.

        So continue the debates in the safety of your homes. I'm just darn glad that we continue to have men and women who are willing to make the sacrifices necessary so the rest of you can stay home and take it for granted. So job well done to the West Point Class of 2009 and all of you will be in my thoughts and prayers.

        • Posted By: rmworthem1 @ 06/10/2009 8:19:45 AM

          Thank you both for your service to your country. I commend you both. I am part of a family that is military oriented. I am dang proud of our military and will stand along side them if I could. My father is retired air force, hubby retired navy. brothers in law retired military and vets. My son is in the navy, daughter is in the air force reserves. My niece is in the air force. I have cousins aplenty that are in the military.
          I have never been more proud of our military than now. The strength and fortitude that they have shown to allow themselves to go into battle over and over again. I also commend the spouses of these fine soldiers, airmen and sailors that keep the home running smoothly while their spouses are away. They deserve our respect too. Without them keeping tabs on the homefront our soldiers wouldn't be able to do what they are capable of doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 06/09/2009 5:59:26 PM

    Lee, you do a nice job of refuting the ignorant.

  • Posted By: I'm all in @ 06/09/2009 2:39:24 PM

    An officer standing on a hill overlooking the fight is hardly a warrior. While the troops are dying in the mud, the officers are shining up their 45s.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 06/09/2009 3:45:31 PM

      More nonsense. Junior officers suffer a higher death/ casualty rate than do enlisted per capita,with the lowest life expectancy awarded newly-minted Lieutenants, 1 in 4 in the PTO-ETO theater of operations, similar to later wars including Korea and Vietnam . Indeed,the idea of the ROTC or officer reserve corps -style officer,untrained at a military academy such as West Point, was conceived by the British during WWI, who lost over 80% of their combat junior officers trained at academies including Sandhurst and others. The idea of pistol ''shining'' is an erroneous one when leveled at officers serving below battalion level command [ Lt.Col] and often, not even then.''Brown Bars'',then as now, are considered expendable.

  • Posted By: I'm all in @ 06/09/2009 10:27:08 AM

    Worried they will miss the war/ General patton, standing on a hill overlooking the non-officers strewn on the battle fied blown to bit, said he loved war. When you don't have to fears anything more than a hang nail, you can afford that attitude.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 06/09/2009 3:32:11 PM

      A senseless position. Patton was by all accounts reckless with his own life, and yet sparing of it as regards his own soldiers. Pattons leaping out of the Algiers HQ to blaze away with his pistols at strafing German aircraft who went after him is factual, as it was witnessed personally by British air chief Sir Arthur Cunningham and [then] Maj.Gen.Omar Bradley. The 1918 Patton shows him in the Argonne alongiside of Brgdr. Gen Douglas MacArthur coming under German artillery and machine gun fire and ''cooly moving among the troops''[ Manchester: ''American Caesar''] . Pattons 3d Army sustained among the lowest casualties of the ETO, indictive of an offensive spirit backed by armour. He was no ''foxhole leader''.

  • Posted By: RumBun @ 06/09/2009 11:52:07 AM

    warriors have always loved war, it's no different from any other type of person loving their job. It's a job they hope to advance in it by doing well, going to war adds to a soldiers resume. Its make it seem as if the soldier has real world experience, it makes it seem as if they know what they are talking about when they lead or teach other soldiers or advise politicians or research scientists or whomever. Common sense reaction really, as for fear, I think they would feel anticipation, excitement and fear. These are the same emotions any fighter feels if you want to find parallels in civilian life, talk to any boxer getting ready for a fight, I think y'oull see the same eagerness to fight and the same mix of emotions.

  • Posted By: RumBun @ 06/09/2009 11:45:00 AM

    warriors love war that's why they become warriors. I don't think that it is unusual they would not want to miss the war

  • Posted By: Observerguy @ 06/08/2009 11:09:13 PM

    Without a draft war is unrealistically tidy. We can repeatedly 'reup' those who enlist until their lives become a shambles, and no one bothers -- because it is an 'inside' thing with the implicit belief that they chose this. "Protecting" our freedoms becomes a euphemism for the unspoken "I'm glad it's not me or mine," a convenient 'patriotism' based upon a war fought by "those wonderful guys." If we are to have the terrible, bloody, thing we call a war, and if we go to kill, maim, and destroy, let us do it together. Let "you" become "me" and "mine." Forget the euphemisms ("actions," "interventions," etc.) that so dishonor those we send to kill and be killed. A war is our war. We, you and I, go to kill and be killed, to maimand be maimed. It is a very real thing. It seems only a draft can achieve this reality -- a reality in which, when a soldier dies or is injured, he is truly honored the only way that is possible, by knowing he is one of us rather than a part of a paid, isolate business group to which we mouth empty platitiudes. "valkyrie" is absolutely right.

  • Posted By: valkyrie130 @ 06/08/2009 12:44:54 PM

    This is why we need to reinstate the draft (or a program of alternative service Conscientious Objectors). There is a huge divide between civilians and military that didn't used to exist -- far too many people in America have never been in the military, or had a family member in the military, or even KNOWN anybody who was in the military! They seem to think of military people as being like Martians -- utterly foreign to them. This is not good for America. Even the ordinary Joe Blow, who hated every day he served and counted the days 'til he was out, could relate to them later in life, when he read in the paper that Congress was considering this pay raise or that deployment. He still had that connection. That connection is now missing, and it's unhealthy in the extreme for our nation. It's turned us into an "us" and "them" society, which we sure as hell don't need.

  • Posted By: sakulin @ 06/07/2009 11:24:14 PM

    No need for the cadets to worry about missing this war as there will always be another. Surely they realize that in our quest or empire the professional killers in the Pentagon are always in need of a fresh enemy. Review our history and people must come to the realization that war is our national pastime.

  • Posted By: C2/02 @ 06/08/2009 6:51:36 AM

    For you self-proclaimed war veterans, hang your heads in shame for acting self-righteous and jumping on the bandwagon of those who posted ignorant comments about a subject for which they have no clue. Combat veterans are the ones who should provide some clarity on this message board. What kind of comments did you hear from your peers when you were being shipped off to war? What was said to those who showed doubt? What was thought of leaders who showed a lack of confidence? Ask yourself those questions and then reassess your conclusions on these West Point graduates who have chosen an occupation that most civilians cheer for in public and then jeer in private. How many people do you know that say "I support the troops...as long as my son/daughter isn't one of them." Hypocrisy at its worst!!

  • Posted By: gb1974 @ 06/07/2009 11:07:50 PM

    The military undoubtedly deserves our devout thanks for sacrifices that can never be repaid. Of course the military exists for the protection of our nation and our allies and for which have been doing an exemplary job. I have to take issue, however, with the idea that our military personnel are eager to be deployed because they are "worried they will miss the war". I like to think that our military is fighting and dying in order to prevent a larger war. The idea that a soldier can't wait to get into a war for career experience sickens me. I have seen many preventable deaths among young people unrelated to war and I cannot thoroughly explain how the negative repercutions affect the many lives surrounding these tragic circumstances. I can only hope our future military leaders will take my comments as cautionary and not as an attack on your long and proud traditions.

  • Posted By: gb1974 @ 06/07/2009 10:47:20 PM

    The military undoubtedly deserves our devout thanks for sacrifies that can never be repaid. Of course, war and protection of our nation and our allies is why the military exists and for which have been doing an exemplary job. I must take issue, however, with the idea that military personnel want to be deployed because they are "worried that they will miss the war." I like to think that our military is fighting and dying in order to prevent a larger war and not because they may miss out on career experience. I hope that our future military leaders will take my comment into consideration and not as an insult.

  • Posted By: Loden Green @ 06/07/2009 10:28:30 PM

    I entered the Army shortly after combat operations had ended in Vietnam. Having earned my commission through ROTC, I was eager to serve but unfamiliar with the ways of the Regular Army folks. I was very surprised to meet some people who were extremely disapponted that they never got to serve in combat in Vietnam. Some had even volunteered but were never assigned to a combat unit in Nam. They believed this failure "to get in on the action" had compromised their military careers and put them at a disadvantage compared to their peers who had seen combat. It was an interesting experience for me.

  • Posted By: aspushkin @ 06/07/2009 9:38:41 PM

    Well this story should finally put to rest the old canard that no one in the military wants war. Should but won't. Hey folks, just keep repeating the idea that the actions of the US military in at least the last 50 years have played any role whatsoever in protecting my right to criticize them.

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