The Accidental Slumlord

At the height of the housing boom, I became a long-distance landlord. Then my tenants came home to roost.

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  • Posted By: ian807 @ 06/18/2009 2:21:07 PM

    Welcome to landlording and your quite average tenant, who, if they vote, vote for conservative republicans. Ironically amusing, no?

    I've been doing this for years and people like this never cease to amaze me. I've gone into units literally waste deep in trash not removed for years. Students are the worst, for some reason. I no longer rent to them for that reason.

    Ignore the posts about your greed. Like me, you didn't trash the place. You probably just wanted a retirement income. How criminal. Perhaps you didn't trust the stock market. Can't imagine why. Then you took hard earned money, bought property and made a good faith contract with people you later discovered were little better than animals. This is not your fault, regardless of what anyone says.

    • Posted By: pigstyalley @ 07/03/2009 2:53:44 AM

      "made a good faith contract with people you later discovered were little better than animals"--

      Did you read the same article I did? At least one set of tenants was already there. He is, in fact, a carpetbagger, who is shocked to discover his cheap house is cheap.
      I am the landlord of a house --in Pocatello-- which earns less rent than McGinn's but is in far better shape. I live next door, however, so my investment in my community is more than monetary.

  • Posted By: joshua362 @ 07/02/2009 7:28:56 PM

    Sadly, I am more disturbed at the author's woe is me attitude like he has done something wrong here. Jewish guilt? Actually, he is providing a service to those who choose to live this lifestyle and for whatever reason, are not willing to better themselves. Not everyone can or wants to go to college or "do the right thing". You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink. Yes, there are white trash, rednecks and other colored trash in every town. Get over it, these white trash could be in the streets.

  • Posted By: Collegebound90 @ 06/21/2009 5:15:40 PM

    I am more than a little upset at the portrayal of the town and the author's tenants. As a longtime resident of Pocatello, I feel the author intentionally used the situations of his tenants to create shock journalism. By portraying these people as so-called "white trash," his little experiment in the "backwater" town of Pocatello seems merely laughable. After all, where else are you going to find people who pull out their own teeth with pliars? Using his tenants' stories, the author has managed to create a piece that hardly looks at the humanity of the situation, but rather the entertainment value. I find it disturbing and embarrassing.

    • Posted By: future slumlord @ 06/25/2009 5:57:03 PM

      Every area of the country has white trash and rednecks.

  • Posted By: ohioillustrator @ 06/20/2009 11:50:00 AM

    Shame on you Daniel McGinn, not only are you a incompetent landlord your writing comes across at best as smug and self serving. Essentially you are playing with the lives of people to sell a story. Your story did not offer a solution or stimulate thinking from your readers in that direction. Your efforts in a far away places are typical of east coasters puritanical and colonial heritage. JFK might have said "life is unfair" but it is up to the rest of us to make that harsh fact a difference for all Gods children - You are using JFK's words out of context so you can sleep at night. The social and housing problem you describe is all our problem (as in every citizen/taxpayer/consumer) and it has taken decades of unethical corporate politics to create the beast of a social malaise that you write of. You are still writing in terms of your fellow citizens as "others" which shows that you think in classist terms.... You might try harder than the average absentee landlord but you still fail both as a writer and a businessman because you have zero conscience which you arbitrarily justify with the rules of the numbers game. I say with your writing ability and publishing connections you can do more than this and if not, then follow the example of former President Carter get your hands and knees dirty and make a difference in some other fashion. In the end all you accomplished was that you put down petro-chemical toxic synthetic carpets in a living space fresh with pesticides for an infant to crawl around on. Way to go - that's real compassionate of you.

    • Posted By: future slumlord @ 06/20/2009 12:54:50 PM

      Blame the landlord? How about the lazy father and mother of the bastard child? they are the lazy adults who choose to live there.

      • Posted By: kmorris209 @ 06/20/2009 3:38:06 PM

        Your an Idiot.

        • Posted By: future slumlord @ 06/25/2009 5:41:54 PM

          do you mean you're an idiot?

      • Posted By: SteelWolf @ 06/20/2009 1:06:39 PM

        If the child has a father, what makes him a bastard? Think befor you post.

        • Posted By: future slumlord @ 06/25/2009 5:41:12 PM

          bastards are the children of unwed parents

      • Posted By: future slumlord @ 06/20/2009 12:58:34 PM

        How do you know the carpet is petro-chemical toxic synthetic, it might be 100% wool.

  • Posted By: Nathan914 @ 06/24/2009 2:44:03 PM

    I live in Pocatello, not far from the "slum" in question. Why on earth would anyone invest in property "after seeing only e-mailed photos, an appraisal and an inspection report, I paid $62,750 for a two-unit rental property in Pocatello, which is 2,450 miles from my Massachusetts home". Ive had pictures of Bigfoot and aliens emailed to me, doesn't mean I'm investing in bear traps and anti-alien spray. What an idiot.

  • Posted By: tacorsetti @ 06/23/2009 10:25:04 PM

    Here you go Daniel, follow the link. Idaho Sucks, Tell All Your Friends...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1LofGKy4Q

  • Posted By: birdbth @ 06/22/2009 12:39:18 AM

    I have never rented a place where I felt the landlord treated me unfairly, I have lived in some real cheap units, I blend in by driving an older vehicle and appear to be scubby. As soon as the landlord notices that I am taking care of the unit he starts to do things for me. I carry the garbage out of the laundry areas, vacumm the hallway, pick the garbage up in the yard or common areas. Usally with in a month or two I am getting free rent and very soon I am getting paid to handle the little emergencies. My total cost is a tool chest that probably has about 200 worth of tools in it...The amount of time is paid back usally at much better rates then what any of the other people living in the buildings are making at their full time jobs. I make about $500 dollars a day and could stay at much more expensive places but why waste my money? I am only going to be working in the city for 6-12 months. People like Will and Bill live in a dump because that is the type of people they are.
    Surprise your landlord by starting to help him the next time you see him doing something to the complex you live in...
    So many people have the attitute of "If you pay me I will help you." I take the attitute that I dont need to be paid to do what is right and if you dont reward me...well somewhere it will balance out...and it does balance out.

    One time I had a landlord break down and cry when I went to pick up my deposit from her. She told me that being a landlord had destroyed her faith in people. She had been lied to so many times...taken advantage of so many times, her properties had been abused so often that she had decided to give up. She said her expereince with me had restored her desire to continue to try to build her net worth by working on real estate.

    If you move all of the Wills and Bills to new properties and demolish all the present slums...it will be a very short time till the Wills and Bills turn the new properties into slums.

    When the Wills and Bills start to take care of the unit they live in it wont be a slum any more. PS3, beer, drugs, DVD's, CD's and tobacco is where they spend their money. I go buy a $30 box of floor tile and $10 worth of glue and grote and instead of getting drunk or high and watching video's all night I put a new floor down in the bathroom and then I get $450 worth of free rent the next month...In a couple of months I usally have all new floor coverings, fixtures, (both plumbing and electrical), all the walls are freshly painted...new doors, cabinets and windows...but I am not Will and I will not end up like Bill.

  • Posted By: CommonSense4Everybody @ 06/21/2009 5:47:03 PM

    Plain and simple: All renters should move out to a better deal somewhere if they don't think the landlord is giving them good value for their rent money. Renters need to look around in the newspapers and look at other properties to rent at least once a year. If they can find something better, then go for it. The landlord in this article is not "exploiting" anybody. He is losing money and having to put up with some sloppy people.

  • Posted By: CommonSense4Everybody @ 06/21/2009 5:40:49 PM

    This is all about the law of supply and demand. Rent prices go lower only when there are lots of investors going in and buying or building properties to meet or exceed demand. If a renter wants cheap rent, necessary if you work at low-paying jobs, then the place is not going to have new carpet, new plumbing, etc. If you can pay a little more rent, then you can get a better place to live. If renters think the landlord is not giving them enough value for the money, then please find a better deal by looking around. No landlord is obligated to financially support people who live in their houses. Sorry, but getting other people to fund your housing is not usually going to happen.

  • Posted By: Craigincal @ 06/21/2009 1:24:03 AM

    Wouldn???t it be nice is everything was free? I agree with all of the haters. Slums are awful. We should burn them down. Never mind the people displaced. The Government can print more money build them nice new apartments and the thankful tenants will keep them nice and clean. Oh wait, we tried that. They are called projects. Not very successful.
    There are only 2 ways that things get built: ???Investors??? build apartments for people to live in or Governments take money from investors to build apartments for people to live in. Either way, it is the investors that pay for it. Hang all of the ???greedy??? investors and nothing gets built.
    The reality is that people get what they can afford or what they will endure.
    I would love for all of you critics to stop whining and provide a solution. While you are at it solve world hunger. That would be more productive than all of your sour grapes.

  • Posted By: Rky Mtn @ 06/20/2009 11:35:00 PM

    I find it disturbing how mean and judgemental many of the posters are in regard to this article. I think the author is refreshingly candid and forthright about his situation. I would much rather have him as neighbor than those of you whose spittle is spewing across your keyboards. I think that it's pretty obvious that he is not a slumlord. Maybe you missed the part where he wrote, " Still, I'm frequently hit with repair bills (a broken stove, a leaking underground water line) that send me into the red. And even after the tax write-offs, my costs have exceeded the rental income by more than $2,500 since I purchased it." Or how about, "After touring my duplex with my property manager, Ryan Olsen, we promise the tenants we'll fix the heater and hire an exterminator." A slumlord never make any repairs ever unless they are legally forced to. Not only do I not think that he is not a slumlord but because of this experience he will probably become a more compassionate landlord. The filth is the tenants responsibility entirely.

    • Posted By: Craigincal @ 06/21/2009 1:23:35 AM

      Wouldn???t it be nice is everything was free? I agree with all of the haters. Slums are awful. We should burn them down. Never mind the people displaced. The Government can print more money build them nice new apartments and the thankful tenants will keep them nice and clean. Oh wait, we tried that. They are called projects. Not very successful.
      There are only 2 ways that things get built: ???Investors??? build apartments for people to live in or Governments take money from investors to build apartments for people to live in. Either way, it is the investors that pay for it. Hang all of the ???greedy??? investors and nothing gets built.
      The reality is that people get what they can afford or what they will endure.
      I would love for all of you critics to stop whining and provide a solution. While you are at it solve world hunger. That would be more productive than all of your sour grapes.

  • Posted By: Breakwater @ 06/20/2009 8:40:43 PM

    The "Accidental Slumlord"? Is that like the Accidental Bernie Madoff?" This waste of of space in a national magazine was simply the shameless ploy for sympathy by another "investor" who didn't make the quick buck he expected so is now using this as material for an article. There is perceived risk and assumed risk and obviously the author couldn't tell the difference. There were lots of other investments he could have made that did not impact on the lives of other people but he chose not to. Now he has chosen to add "insult to injury" by striping away any scrap of privacy these people might have had, in another effort to make this "investment" work in his favour. If $213 in carpet remnants (which he says can't justify from a cash flow point of view, despite his obvious neglect) is all that it takes to heal his conscience it's good to hear that he's not teaching an Ethics course anywhere from kindergarden to the university level. His continual haggling, whining and obvious resentment at finding himself without the easy money he expected but a "sticky" situation to deal with is evident in every paragraph.

    Shame on the authour for his crocodile tears and Shame on Newsweek for publishing 6 pages of this drivel.

    His elitist attitude bordering on sneering disdain for people living without granite countertops is in stark contrast to Marilyn Mock's "step up to the plate and knock one out of the park" action when she decided to buy a house she had never seen for a crying woman she had never met before during a foreclosure auction. She gave it back to the woman and told her she could pay her back whatever and whenever she had the money. That Newsweek would ever consider publishing this nonsense when her story is so much more deserving of 6 pages of ink and photographs is further evidence of a generation of spoiled yuppie MBAs.

    The author's Bio lists skills and awards but actions speak louder than words and his actions, writing about them and not so subtle braggadocio of his plight speaks volumes. Here's what Newsweek should do, rebate 50% of any and all compensation for writing/publishing this article to the author's tenants in lieu of all repairs that weren't done and having their private life used as fodder for the "The Accidental Smear". I could be mistaken, but I don't think there is a Pulitzer for self-pity.

  • Posted By: tovef @ 06/14/2009 12:54:51 AM

    My heart bleeds. Due to misfortunes in my own life, I ended up having to live in hellholes like the one you own while I was in America - and yes, the landlord also hoped that I'd take care of minor and major repairs that were his responsibility, just as routine maintenance on the building was also his responsibility, but never done. So the roof leaked, ruining the carpet - and according to El Slumlordo, that was all my fault. As was the backed up septic system that he would never have pumped out - and he blamed me for the stains that backed up fecal matter from the septic tank made in the bathtub. The heater broke in the middle of a Northeastern winter, and he refused to fix it for three weeks, until I went to court and had a judge determine that I did not have to pay rent if I had no means of heat.

    If you take on a rental property, you're supposed to meet your responsibilities to keep your property maintained. Yes, tenants can be rough on a property, they can be terrible - that's why you should be selective in your tenants. You actually bought a falling down junkhole in an impoverished area, don't bother to do the repairs until your tenant does them on his own time and expense - and have the nerve to complain? You're the one falling down on the deal, not the old guy who's fixing your slum. Get out of the landlord business, there are already enough slumlords in America. I now live in a place where rentals are strictly regulated, and let me tell you - things don't have to be the way you describe them. Landlords like you are put out of business in short order, if they can't cope with their end of the deal and expect their tenants to somehow take up the slack at their own expense.

    • Posted By: dmb12345 @ 06/14/2009 6:15:42 PM

      However , it comes to personal responsibility. That means, if you rent the place, it is also your responsibility to keep the place up to a certain degree. It works both ways..

      • Posted By: new_york_night @ 06/20/2009 5:46:52 PM

        dmb12345:
        Does your name stand for "dumb12345?" What tovef is talking about is MAINTENANCE to his unit and building. That is the LANDLORD'S RESPONSIBILITY. We are not talking about dusting the furniture. Most landlords, because they can only see the rent check coming in, neglect their properties, just as this get-me-rich-quick author. This is what we are talking about. And even in a highly regulated rent city, landlords are notorious for for their neglect and harassment to tenants. As landlords, they know they have the upper hand because they are not the ones who have to up and move when it gets bad.

      • Posted By: thearch @ 06/18/2009 9:07:06 AM

        not when it comes to repairing the heating and toilet breakdowns or roof leaks
        yes one should keep the carpets walls and interior clean and intact

  • Posted By: Sue R @ 06/20/2009 4:29:20 PM

    I was a renter from college until I was almost 40. I've lived in places with out-of-state landlords, and we would improve the property, always trying to leave the place we rented in better condition than it was when we moved in. Fortunately our landlords fixed the big stuff, but over the years, the properties were never improved. In 1992, we were living in a duplex that came up for sale, so we bought both halves, and became homeowners and landlords at the same time. We've done many things to improve the place, including planting trees and flowers, putting up storm windows, and redecorating. We fix problems tenants tell us about, and check everything out and clean before we rent it out again. The flooring, wallpaper, and many of the appliances and fixtures have been replaced, and I've painted almost every time a tenant leaves. We've do almost everything ourselves, but have hired help for big repairs, like replacing the roof and foundation work. Sometimes all this work has paid off and we've had wonderful people who take care of the property and leave it clean and undamaged. Sometimes we've had people who don't really care. It's amazing how dirty and damaged a place can become in six months to a year. Once in a while we've had people who are utterly filthy and we've had to exterminate heavily and replace all the floors because of pet urine damage. And these were people who lived right next door to us! These carpets were about 15 years old so I didn't feel so bad pulling them out, but cleaning up the smells that soaked into the concrete was a huge chore.

    If a landlord has never seen the property, he can't assume that it was in good shape when someone moved in. I wouldn't let them. A landlord who doesn't even know what the place looks like between tenants, who has a manager who doesn't want to replace things because there's no profit in it, can't fault the tenants for the state of the carpets. The young family in the article probably moved in to the place when the carpet was already filthy, but that was the best place they could find. Being on disability is not the same thing as being on welfare, and it's hard to get on SSI - it takes years, most of the time. I'm glad the author of the article did some improvements before he left. He could have stayed a while and done so much more. No one should assume that people are fine with living in filth. Landlords aren't responsible for cleaning that tenants should do but they also should make sure places are clean, livable, and repaired before they're rented to new people.

    Sometimes I get very tired of being a landlord, but I do see it as doing a good thing for others, and try not to think about how little profit we've made on it. If I were doing it just to try to make a profit, I would have sold the property long ago.

  • Posted By: PegU @ 06/20/2009 4:14:42 PM

    You should count your lucky stars you haven't had your ass sued for some of your negligent behavior. Seriously. If you don't do careful background checks and you rent to a criminal, you can hold some degree of liability if that tenant causes trouble. If you don't maintain smoke detectors you can get served. If anyone injures himself on your property, you may hold the bag on that as well. There's more ... these were just three I could think of immediately.

  • Posted By: TsukiD @ 06/20/2009 10:16:45 AM

    Good article. I am a property manager/Realtor and have been in the business for a couple of decades now. During the height of the "boom" a few years ago a local mortgage company garnered much business by presenting a game to the public. It was called "The Money Game" and was based on acquiring investment rentals. While I had never attended one of these one of my associates and I studied the formula very carefully - it was a brilliant piece of fantasy all wrapped up and aimed at people who did not further their own education by additional research. Many people bought into this lock, stock and barrell - and the biggest flaw I could see immediately as a Property Manager was that the "formula" did not allow for maintenance, damage, post tenant clean up-repoair, vacancies, or unpaid rent. Many of these people refinanced or took out mortgages on their primary homes to play the Game in real life (through the Mortgage Company of course) -- and real life did not respond as logically as fictional life decreed it would. What amazed me was that many of these people were in the mortgage business, educated, and also in real estate - they should have known better. The sad stories are the retired couples who lost everything - including the house they worked for 30 years to pay off. I am not defending or condemning - in the wake of the last market it is too easy to forget the feverish tempo and mindset that the market engendered.

    Damiel should have been advised by his Realtor to get an inspection prior to closing - that would have disclosed his maintenance issues in solid black and white rather than the photos (which we Realtors are so good at taking). He should have consulted with a couple of different property managers and gotten one on his team prior to selection - we are often very willing to give a ton of free advice. I think the first thing I would have told him was while it might "pencil out" a higher investment would have yielded a higher return in terms of less maintenance, fewer repairs, less rental loss income because the tenant base would have been more stable. It is a patience game.

    And before y'all start blaming him for no heat -- the tenants didn't pay their gas bill. As for the hole in the floor because of overflowing toilets - the landlord is not in control of what goes DOWN the toilet and it was probably a scenario most of us do not want to think about. The landlord is not responsible for his/her tenants' personal habits nor levels of cleanliness. A person may be poor - it does not automatically mean they will choose to live in self-created filth.

    • Posted By: SLB45 @ 06/20/2009 11:41:24 AM

      I was a renter for years. I bought my home when I was 45. As a renter and getting to know my "fellow" renters, I can totally agree that the landlard is not responsilbe for their habits or sloppy lifestyles. I, myself, have always kept a very clean home, even when it was an apartment. Being poor is no excuse for filth. However, the land lord should be responsible for who he/she allows to rent. I carried with me recomendations from prior landlords. And several times was given a lower rent because they knew I would take care of the place. I even got a doubled security deposit return on two places I lived. Landlords would be advised to screen their temments. If they did, renters like I was, wouldn't have to put up with criminals and filth living in the same complex.

      • Posted By: kmorris209 @ 06/20/2009 4:04:12 PM

        You are way off base. The article said nothing about the tennants being messy people. The apartment repairs are the owners responsibilty not the tennants.

  • Posted By: lfpenedo @ 06/20/2009 11:49:57 AM

    This story is not a matter of being liberal or not. I don't see where politics converge here and I don't see how the previous comments can relate this article with "liberal" crap. What I can see, as a landlord, renting a house where I used to live (granite countertops, italian porcelain floor, etc) is that I would not llike my tenants to fall behind in their rent payment and I would not lilke to evict them. Morally and legally it would be OK since there is a moral and legal contract in between. But the problem I can see goes beyond the circumstance this article describes and are common among many or most of the tenants. My point is we have engage in a financial game forgetting that we are part of a human society. Our society lacks of the mechanisms to provide the right resources to make everybody productive and so there is a long segment of our population (I cannot call it society... society is so fragmented that I cannot think in "We live in a society") that is not capable of stay affloat with the present conditions. Anyway, I share this author sentiments and I percieve the feeling he was trying to transmmit. For those of trying to judge what is liberal and what is not: get real and do something too, it is everybodys job to put this human bundle of societies together and start building a better life.

    • Posted By: kmorris209 @ 06/20/2009 3:50:49 PM

      No where in your obsessive rambling was there anything that can be considered as a logical thought.We are all dumber for reading your comment.

  • Posted By: Bluzboy @ 06/20/2009 12:05:17 PM

    Ditto ohioillustrator! And shame on you Daniel McGinn in triplet. Landlords like yourself have ruined, literally ruined the city I live in, Greeley Colorado. Which is now listed as one of the 50 worse places to live in America. And a large part of our cities problems come from "long distance slum lord's" who now probably own half the properties in the city. And these landlords live in Florida, North Carolina, Oregon, etc... and the city has turned into what is considered to be the seediest and gang infested cities in Colorado. You ought to be forced to live in the neighborhood you callously invested in and deal with the tennants and neighbors you callously exploit and the problems long distant slumlords like yourself create in the community your property lies. I would kick you in the teeth personally.

    • Posted By: future slumlord @ 06/20/2009 12:48:26 PM

      Gangs have more to do with your town being one of the worst places to live than slumlords

      • Posted By: kmorris209 @ 06/20/2009 3:41:51 PM

        Once again, your an idiot

  • Posted By: ALEMON @ 06/20/2009 3:40:49 PM

    I HAVE NOT MEANT A LANDLORD YET. THE ONES I DEALT WITH BECAME SLUMLORDS AS SOON AS THEY CLOSE THE DOOR THE FIRST ONE I TOOK TO COURT YOU KNOW THE COURT IS ALWAYS ON THE LANDLORD/SLUM SIDE. HE WOULD SHOW UP AT THE DOOR ON THE FIRST OR BEFORE THEN IF HE WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MADE PLENTY PROMISES NEVER KEPT ONE. SECOND LANDLORD SHE THE LANDLORD FROM HELL WHEN SHE WENT TO WORK SHE WOULD TURN THE HOT WATER OFF YOU GOT HEAT IN JAN WHICH SHE WOULD TURN OFF WHEN SHE WENT TO WORK,L&I SITED HER ON 19 THINGS THAT HAD TO BE FIXED BUT ITS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW ITS WHO AND IT WAS NOT EVEN HER PROPERTY AND SHE HAD NO RENTERS LICENSE I FOUND OUT LATER IT RAIN IN THE APARTMENT SO SHE GOT IT FIX ON THE INSIDE DUH I STARTED PUTTING IN ESCROW AND SHE TOOK ME TO COURT I GUESS SHE WOULD INTERCERT THE MAIL SO NATURALY I GOT EVICTED AND HAD TO LEAVE MY SUFF SO I RETURN TO COLLECT MY THINGS 15 DAYS LATER AND SHE WAS RESPONISABLE FOR IT AND SHE ROBB ME OF 50,000 THOUSAND PLUS WORTH OF THINGS, OLD COINS DATED 1800 STAMPS PRESIDENT PICTURES SIGNATURES INVITE TO OTHER PRESIDENTS ALL THE WAY BACH TO THE TRUMANS SPORTS CARD SETS FROM THE 60S AND 70S SHE WAS A MESS THEN THE NEXT LANDLORD WE MADE A RENT TO OWN AGREETMENT FOR 55,000 AND IT TOOK 2 YEARS TO GET A STOVE EVERYONE SHE HIRE TO DO WORK SHE FIRE BEFORE THEY FINISH SHE NEVER WANT TO GIVE YOU A RECEIPT ALWAYS WANTED HER MONEY IS CASH THEN SHE DIED NERVER GOT THE DEED FROM HER AND AFTER SHE DIED I REALIZED SHE DIDN'T OWN THE PROPERTY IT WAS A FAMILY MEMBER THAT DIED 30 YEARS AGO SO I THINK I MAKE THE TOP TEN SLUMLORD LIST. ONE DAY I MIGHT GET A WORKERABLE HOUSE.

  • Posted By: Frank909 @ 06/20/2009 1:11:59 PM

    This is the state of our country, EVERYBODY is diabled and needs that Govt check. Most people in this country go from welfare to ssdi or ssi and never get a job throughout their lives. Until our Govt stops this abuse there will be too many scumbags on "entitlement" and not enough people working to support their lazy lifestyle.

    • Posted By: emerson33 @ 06/20/2009 3:40:47 PM

      Do you try to culivate stupidity, or is it just natural? Your statement is so ignorant and uninformed. Just FYI, the new welfare system only allows for five years of monetary support in a lifetime. In the current economy, some people who had $50 an hour jobs are on the dole right now. Don't fault them for utilizing the system they have paid into for years. You should be ashamed.

    • Posted By: kmorris209 @ 06/20/2009 3:35:01 PM

      What does any of your comments have to do with this article?

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