With Saviors Like This

Where is that misogynist, 40yr Stalker? Is he still around, or is he in hiding? I am so looking for him....

What a hypocrite. Fineman is a regular on the same Olbermann show in which the host called Bush a fascist.

"I welcome a debate about how we can make sure our regulations work for businesses and consumers," Obama said. "But what I will not accept - what I will vigorously oppose - are those who do not argue in good faith." As this quote clearly points out Obama once again gets to the heart of it and 'calls a spade a spade'. He simply doesn't always have all of the best answers but he really seems to continually have the honesty and conscience to sincerely identify and address the problems, something not seen enough in politics. As far as not always having the best answers, he states he "welcome(s) a debate" and in the past he has completely encouraged compromise with the intent of finding the real best solutions, which actually should be the single focus of an honestly conscientious congress. The Associated Press article continues, [By that, Obama said, he meant those who defend the status quo at any cost. He didn't name any people or organizations, but said special interests are already mobilizing to fight change. He called that typical Washington. "These are the interests that have benefited from a system which allowed ordinary Americans to be exploited," Obama said. The president said he would stand up for his plans, saying: "While I'm not spoiling for a fight, I'm ready for one. The most important thing we can do to put this era of irresponsibility in the past is to take responsibility now."] Really, who can deny that the Special Interests and Republicans who are loudly criticizing and aggressively trying to block everything, while offering no real solutions and only hoping to return to 'more of the same', are nothing more than obstructionists irresponsibly playing politics and focused only on their own selfish interests. Obama's responsible approach to conscientiously focus on what is right for the people is what this country desperately needs but to be really effective it has to be coupled with a Senate and Congress who put politics aside and conscientiously focus on fine tuning everything. Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever should see this truth and demand that our representatives/candidates drop their deceptive and exploitive politics, with their focus on only benefiting a few, and begin to "in good faith" debate and cooperate to achieve what is best for the people, which is their only real responsibility. To loose this opportunity and return to 'more of the same' would be disastrous.

I would take Gingrich in a minute over anyone in the Liberal/Progressive/Socialist party. I do not think Newt is a viable presidential candidate though. I like his ideas, but he rubs too many ("middle roaders" - who are mostly informed via the Govt. run media) the wrong way. Palin is the kind of common sense person the country could use compared to the high IQ'd Messi-uh who has little common sense, but she has no chance because the Govt run media (especially The MS National Barack Company) has piled on her using propaganda techniques that would make the old Soviet Union proud.

A new conservative leader will emerge shortly to further expose the error of the Progressive way. I do not like the out of control spending that was done by Pres. Bush and congress during his administration, but how can Dems decry the amounts Bush spent and then go out and try to spend 5 times more? How is that helpful to an economy that is suffering from Govt. over-spending and a lack of consumer confidence? The evidence is showing that it is not helpful. Everyone's overall taxes are going up in various forms, not just the TOP 5% as the Pres. promised. Some of you who thought you were going to get a bunch of Freebies will be dissapointed! - TNSTAAFL - "There's no such thing as a free lunch" ~ some Economist.

Whats this ''one''crap?

McCain,Flake, DeMint,Coburn,Grassley, are among other Republicans who are taking on too damned much Democrat corruption as it already is . Rangel, Dodd, Moran,Mollohan, Murtha, Visclosky,Burris, are all subjects of federal investigations into corruption and fraud with Jefferson in the center of his own trial. Your ''here and there'' garbage has cost American taxpayers hundreds of millions already [ ye gods,150 million alone on one crummy airport no-one ever uses, a sort of ''Airport To Nowhere'' bearing the name of John Murtha International Airport],let alone the wads of lobbyist cash Dems are drowning in , a ''swamp'' they promised to ''drain''.
Inserting historical revisionism won't cut it. McCain, Grassley, Flake,Coburn, DeMint, Hegel, Voinovich,Paul ,and other Republicans either opposed Bushs ''military adventurism'' or fought corruption and excessive spending in Congress.They are still at it, with Flake having been shot down by the Democrats eight times in a row seeking to end this pay to play crap that is infecting our government.
By your lame lights you would allow corruption and abuse to go unchecked and unaddressed simply because the one demanding answers has an ''R'' after his name. We already had one Tammany Hall. We do not need another. Dullwits like Pelosi [ whose GALLUP numbers are even worse than out-of-office Cheneys[ ye gods, CHENEY ], at 34%] .Reid is at his lowest approval rating ever in his home state of Nevada, Biden has no clue, Obama ,as we see, already has Americans nervous and passes into the 50s as I promised on Inauguration Day when I stated here that his ''72''% would be squandered even before Independance Day.
And make no mistake. With gasoline headed north in 55 straight days of increase, this will be yet another area whereby a concerted GOP effort in tandem with fighting corruption will bring these back into parity at a minimum with the Dems,and long before your ''2010''. [and by using Obamas own device,already unsteady and unsure,that of the biggest expansion of government in our history]. Fortunately, in shooting this particular messenger, you have chosen a faulty weapon, a shotgun the barrel of which, is pointed right back at you.

www.politico.com June 18,2009:''Democrats Dodge Ban On Cash From Lobbyists''

Hows Pelosis Swamp Draining Service doing now..?

''With Saviors Like This'' , eh Howard?

Howard is peddling his half-loaf tall tales again,designed,like the rest of the Obama-thralled media, to keep your eye off the ball.

Americans are not buying. The newest NBC/WSJ poll shows clearly that a solid majority of Americans ranging from 70% on the auto bailouts and over 60% on the economy feel that the Anointed One is taking this country down the wrong path.

Meanwhle, Finemans ''Lost'' Republicans are pushing back at Obama and are getting tough enough to rightly demand several things, all of which were salient regions of concern for Democrats back when they were the minority.

1. The White House with no evidence whatever, called AMERICORPS Inspector General Gerald Walprins sanity into question as a reason for canning him. After first conducting interviews with Walprin, [ ''who is very sharp''] Sen.Charles Grassley [R-Ia] went to the WH offices of special council and demanded that Obamas mutt start answering questions or he would do it for him by hailing him in front of a Senate hearing [this political hitjob on Walprin stems from his offices investigation,completely shut down by Obama,that focuses on a former NBA star for the Sacramento Kings who gave a boatload of money to Obama, and took tons of money from AMERICORPS to spend it on personal purchases]. We will also note here that yet another IG ,this one Neil Barofsky,who headed up the GAO-ordered oversight of,wouldnt you know it, stimulus spending, has just been sacked by Obama and a third has been ''leashed'' by same. Thus at the present moment there is again,absolutely no independant oversight of how our money is being used by this administration..[Update: 12:00 PST. The FBI has now launched an obstruction of justice investigation of their own].

2. Todays Hartford [ Ct.] COURANT has reported that Grassley, who is fast becoming a one-man Elliot Ness, has demanded all documents relating to Chris Dodds[D-Ct] relationiship with subprime COUNTRYWIDE LOANS CEO Angelo Mozilo, who favoured Dodd with cutrate mortgages on three properties owned by Dodd denies knowing Mozilo despite the COURANTS possession of documents copies with Dodds signature upon which the initials ''VIP'' and ''FOA'' [Friend Of Angelo] are scrawled.

The Chicago Tribune June 18,2009:''Senator Questions Firing Of Three Inspectors Generals'' [ in less than two weeks,all of which were looking into abuses tied to the Obama administration or its handling of the federal stimulus packages which is probably the same thing].

www.politico.com June 18,2009

www.opensecrets.org The Center For Responsive Politics

"Posted By: katiec @ 06/15/2009 9:01:48 AM

Any politician who does not put our country over party first, politics as usual needs to be impeached."

I absolutely LOVE this line. Of course, Mz. Katie has probably NOT applied this thinking to herself, or her own political party. You libs just LOVE painting the Repubs/Conservs with the "Hate, Greed, Racism" brush never looking in the mirror. Here's a couple of FACTS for ya sweet cheeks:
1. It was the conservative republicans who stood on the side of the Blacks and civil rights for over 200 years! It was the Dems who opposed, resisted, and segregated the Black civil rights movement. (look up How the Republican Party started, and the Plessy vs Ferguson case. Or better yet, check out President Woodrow Wilson's actions on civil rights/Segregation.)
2. Ever notice that it's the extreme left wingers who are the ones VIOLENTLY protesting in the streets when they don't get their way? Prop 8/Bash Back/Code Pink/G8 confrences/Black Panthers.
3. I've NEVER EVER... EVER seen a liberal beauty Pageant queen loose her job and her crown because a conservative activist asked her opinion on a politically loaded question, then didn't get the answer he wanted. Nor would conservatives pile on the mud in the press AFTER she was supposedly "Punished". (Only libs do that)
4. If you think that "Re-making America" and that "The Constitution is an imperfect document that needs to be tossed out and rewritten" are the way to go, then I guess supporting Obama is a good thing. THAT'S showing support for your country first!!! WOO HOO! Go Presidential CZARS!! GO BIG GOVT! /sarc off
5. Speaking of lies, how's that Global Warming coming along??? Or the absolute NEED to pass TARP, or all that transperancy in the White House? How about kicking the lobbists out of the administration? Errr or the "If you make less than $250,000 you won't see your taxes go up one penny." statement... yeah. Thought so.
6. For the freaking record. Von Brunn is a Crazy, Racist, Socialist, Conservative/Republican hating LIBERAL!!! (Keep in mind, Hitler was a Socialist/Progressive and so was the Nazi Party.)
Doc

Doc Navy, despite what you might thing, you do owe me.

I can not speak for minorities since I myself am white. But as I mentioned before, Republicans seem to avoid opportunities to simply talk to minorities. Seriously, the Republican front-runners last election didn't bother showing up to a primary event in Maryland that was specifically to talk to minorities. Nothing says "Republicans don't care about black people" more than avoiding talking to them. Then there's the Chip Saltsman CD with "Barack the Magic *****". I know the song was mostly bad taste referring to an article, but that song was really, really bad taste. Republicans need to do much better and go out of their way to show minorities they care, not act silly and validate the notion that Republicans are racists. All I'm asking is Republicans talk to minorities and stay on they best behavior when it comes to race.

But reread my and gvillagran3's posts, as there were a lot of other groups listed. Let me explain how you have offended me as a 25 year old, College Educated, politically moderate, atheist guy. Republicans patronize young folk as if young folk don't know any better than to vote Democrat. There is a common phrase that "If you aren't liberal when you are young, you have no heart; if you aren't conservative when you are old, you have no brain". Well, people can certainly be young and conservative, so I don't what to ever hear that phrase again. Moreover, I recently heard Jon Voight's remarks at a Republican fundraiser. The guy thought the liberals reached to young people at the colleges to convince them of lies about Bush and can't understand how the youth were taken in by Obama. Voight has some never to suggest that young people were dupped by the Democrats. Young people weren't duped, they were smart enough to realize that Bush and the Republicans are incompetent. Republicans will do much better with the youth when they start treating the youth like intelligent adults rather than foolish children.

Republicans have anti-intellectual tendencies that are extremely offensive to the college educated. Stop calling people with a good education elite for sounding intelligent and sounding like they know what they are talking about. We have no interest in a party that demonizes intellectual curiosity and celebrates people like Sarah Palin who lack it. Also, most college educated people understand what good science is. Stop ignoring good science and taking stances against science like denying evolution or global warming. Gillagran is dead on when he talks about Republicans acting like imbeciles that "don't believe in Darwin's theory of evolution". And if you take those stances, bring scientific support for your view rather than denying the science and arguing via politics and theology.

BK: It pays to observe that FOX was granted its cable news leadership spot in 2006 which it has never relinquished due to the fact that the only ''crap'' in the news was eminating from other sources during the 2006 Lebanon War which saw only FOX providing the most truthful coverage. These were the first to expose the phony ''Tyre Massacre'' leapt upon by the NY Times ,AP and CNN, concocted by HEZBOLLAH. These were also the first to report that the conservative website ''Little Green Footballs'' was accurate in observing ''photoshopped''pictures which appeared in TIME,NEWSWEAK,the NY Times,and the Washington Post. All of the above news services later retracted these photos and the accompanying reports that went with them, penned by HEZBOLLAH stringers sending their news through REUTERS to the western MSM which jumped the shark in trying to ferret out Israeli ''brutality''. They were first in exposing the problems with Jeremiah Wright [ vindicating FOX as late as last week when Wright blamed ''The Jews'' for not being able to see Obama],and they were the first to report the phony CBS/Guard/Bush documents mess in 2004 that brought down Dan Rather.
Even a busted clock is right twice a day. FOX does not appear to have any more problems with veritas than say,the entire rest of the MSM that does not include CSPAN. Their disgrace continues to be compounded in an America that finds its lowest trust ever in the fourth estate, and is not assisted by its odd devotion to Obama, made manifest by the new introduction of the ''news informercial'' first done by NBC, and now by ABC which will shill for Obama in backing his version of the new healthcare plan in a one hour ''program''live from the White House next week which will have ABC NEWS ''choosing who will be in the audience''. This is not news. It is theater. [or ''garbage'' or ''crap'' if you prefer].

POLITICO www.politico.com June 17,2009: ''For The Media,It's All Obama,All The Time''

The San Francisco Chronicle [Editor Phil Bronstein] June 07,2009:''The Press And Obama Need To Get A Room''.

Who really is the Republican party? I notice that all the talking heads are most often black, and I believe that it is a take-over by this socalled "minority" group.to further their own agenda. Well, good luck, I thing we are seeing the demise of a two-party system as we slide into socialism.

Still to Doc Navy: For the political moderates, stop pandering to the Far Right, esp. the Religious Right. We have no interest in extremists and their ideologies. Many of us hate Rush Limbaugh, so stop kissing his ass. I know your "base" feels otherwise, but they are only 25% of the population and you will never any of the other 75% by kissing up to extremists. Also, stop calling moderate Republicans RINOs.

By the way, Republicans are never getting the support of the youth, intellectuals, or moderates as long as they oppose gay marriage. It is ridiculous that Republicans think that, as gvillagran3 said, "gay people can pay taxes, but can't get married if they like". To say you support individual liberty and then take away the liberty of gays is hypocrisy anyways.

As for atheists, stop saying that "American and its Constitution are only for a moral and religious people" and that "America is a Christian nation". I have heard many Republicans, including Mitt Romney and some in congress. I am not religious, but I am a good and proud American. Also, given you say you care about the Constitution, try following the separation of church and state. Stop pandering to the Religious Right who is trying to force their Judeo-Christian views on everyone. I am not a Christian and I don't wish to live like one.

Oh, you certainly do owe an apology and explanation for the Bush years. Bush's big government, fiscally reckless, etc policies are simply unforgivable. For the Republicans to turn around and say they are fiscal conservatives after Bush's spending is ridiculous, as you have no credibility. You do need to explain why we should believe a word you say after you ignoring your political philosophy under Bush.

Now you said one line about not owning me anything and spent the rest of your post declaring Obama a socialist. I won't deny Obama tends towards European socialist policies. But you miss the point. Republicans won't win based on "Obama sucks". I am talking about how the Republicans suck. Until the public thinks the Republicans don't suck, the Republicans aren't getting elected.

Doc_Navy.

I agree with bkrummel. The Republican party, but much more specifically the Right WIng base, owes us an appology for they are the ones that have the Republican party one step away from absolute irrelevance.

You know Doc I used to be a Republican but no more. You are wrong when you say that the party does not owe us anything. The Republican party owes its supporters the basic respect that comes from ACTING upon it's words when in power. You my friend most have us confused with the standard Party fanatics, that will support a party, just for the sake of hate of the "other party".

These fanatics on the two extremes of the political spectrum (Liberals, and Republicans) have nothing to give to America other than hot air. In their pathetic little world only they are right, and every one else is wrong. In their narrow minded views no other possible solution exist to problems, other than the ones they approve on.
Adult discurse demands compromise, and extremist do not compromise and as a result they get nothing. I see in you that kind of mentality. The Republican party does not owe us anithing you say...... That's fine, I got it . I used to be a McCain Republican supporter, but seeing the sorry spectacle of a war hero beeing attacked by my very same party, when he ran against Bush in the primaries as "an unstable individual" , and a "Liberal allied to the Democrats" because he dare to compromise with them gave a clear picture of where the party was heading. Fast forward to McCain 's Vs. Obama and I again had to take the spectacle of a decent man forced into accepting an ignorant extremist (Sarah Palin) as a running mate "to please the base" .

I was not expecting an appology from you, or any one in the Right. Frankly at this point I could care less if you apologize or not, is too late. I will be darn if I ever go back to a party controled by a bunch of nuts, that can turn a hero like McCain into a "mental case", because the poor man suffered years of torture, and in the next sentence portray themselves as supporters of the military.

You guys don't understand when to draw the line. I for one will take your Obama is a socialist any day over Newt is a Right Winger. At least I don't have a nut in the White House.