Making Sense of Stimulus Spending

How accurate is Obama's claim of 150,000 jobs "saved or created"?

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  • Posted By: austin c @ 07/11/2009 10:15:34 AM

    So far the most visible achievement on stimulus spending are numerous minor road and bridge repair and construction, which is good for the states and highway workers. I don't think this will offer any permanent jobs to former auto workers or IT workers who have lost their jobs in various business. One item of the stimulus spending is the so call 'weatherization' of federal office buildings which may require sophisticate engineering or architect considerations, because each building is different. I dont see any achievement has been made so far. It may take years to complete this item.

  • Posted By: minnie08 @ 07/10/2009 9:47:03 AM

    TO-Fellow blogger Seth; You are echoing what many economists have said. They feared that the enormity of economic contraction, called for a Larger Stimulus package. It's very important to remember that only approx. 12% of the stimulus money has been dispersed to states, and the stimulus pkg was designed to affect the economy over a Two year period, not a measly (5) months from the day the president signed the bill! It's simply too early to tell!
    Moreover, I read an article yesterday, I can???t remember which, (WA Post ? NYT? ), which accused many States of mismanaging the stimulus funds and therefore the money was not as effective in creating new jobs as it was intended to be. The article implicated that some state governments had dispersed the money to less populated areas, versus more metropolitan areas where most of the states??? populations were located. The article went on the say that the states have also used the stimulus money to help keep them a float, and that is Not what the stimulus money was for. I think that the American people should start contacting their local politicians and governors on why they have in some cases mismanaged or misappropriated stimulus funds!
    Lastly, I???m amazed at the unrealistic expectations of the average citizen who has fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda from neoconservatives and republicans who's are disingenuous and would slander Obama no matter what he did or didn't do. I think Obama has done a great job considering the hand he was dealt, and I for one, don???t expect the economy to recover for a long time.

  • Posted By: Palin who? @ 06/17/2009 1:41:38 PM

    O'bama had the highest expectations out of any president elected in U.S. History. And of course if he didn't snap his fingers and make all the bad things go away the nut jobs were going to complain. I find it very amusing the Neo-Conservative Party (the GOP in case anyone didn't know) is bashing O'bama so bad, when their ingenious plan was to cut taxes and that's it...of course that would work, cutting taxes solves everything doesn't it?

  • Posted By: CentralVa @ 06/17/2009 2:21:12 AM

    Notably absent from this article is information about how little of the Stimulus money has been spent to date. Economists generally agree that to be effective fiscal stimulus must be timely, temporary and targeted. By pushing through Congress a Stimulus program designed to meet none of these criteria, this administration wasted an opportunity to reduce the severity of the downturn.

    Why did Obama and the Democratic Congress not craft better legislation? Biden has (unwitttingly) given us the answer, I think. They all thought the economy was in much better shape than it was, and would recovery quickly even without a real stimulus. But to their dismay, things have continued to deteriorate. And now they face harsh criticism for having passed a "Stimulus" that was less a rescue package than a giveaway to entrenched special interests.

    • Posted By: minnie08 @ 07/10/2009 8:49:04 AM

      The recovery bill was signed on Feb 17th........ barely 5 months ago!! Only approx 12% of the funding has been dispersed, and a news article yesterday reported that some of the States have essentioally mismanaged or ineffectively used the the money to help stay a float due, or dispersed the money to rual areas instead of heavily pepulated metro area where the moeny would have a greater affect. And anybody who beleives the economy is going to recover in 5 months better stop eating those brownies.

  • Posted By: troldan @ 06/17/2009 12:40:04 AM

    I'm a bit surprised that the writers of this factcheck.org article didn't include any information from www.recovery.gov, a somewhat transparent website that has been tracking (and I expect will continue to track) stimulus spending in every state. It's a great site, with separate stimulus tracking links to every state. I think if someone were to do the math right now, based on the projects that have just gotten underway or have been given the green light, we'd find that there have already been at least 150,000 + jobs created already. For all of you looking to find everything bad with our new president, I'd suggest you check out the site and see how your money's being spent. I for one am excited about what I'm seeing.

    • Posted By: minnie08 @ 07/10/2009 8:43:44 AM

      Amen Troldan!! Lot of info on recovery.gov.

    • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 06/17/2009 5:43:01 AM

      Troldan....c'mon; recovery.com is run out of the White House and transparent is the last thing it is. With only broad pledges of dollars "spent" in unsubstantiated manners, the site can't possibly give an accurate accounting of the 4 trillion dollars being spent on Stimulus. Obama's "plan" for the economy is nothing more than a power grabbing, vote buying spending spree. And now, we'll be left with a deficit too large to dig ourselves out from. Hope & Change strike again.

  • Posted By: The Messiah @ 06/17/2009 1:37:42 PM

    You can put lipstick on a Pig and it's still Bama.

    It's criminal to see America destroyed by butcher politicians like Bama and the others on Corruption Hill.

    THIS is Reality in America under Bama-Nomics:

    Record unemployment, skyrocketing national debt, 18% increase in foreclosures, big increase in bad loans, a Trillion dollar PORK America program, forced auto maker bankruptcies, tent cities and the elimination of thousands of businesses and millions more jobs.

    How's that HOPE and CHANGE working out for those who have lost their job, home and life?

    We "only" lost 601,000 more U.S. jobs last month... ONLY 601,000 MORE! Wait until Next Month when the lost auto industry jobs start to be counted. We're talking MILLIONS MORE lost U.S. jobs.

    In fact the 601,000 is the number of NEW people who filed for unemployment benefits, not the actual number of jobs lost, which is higher.

    When enough people have no job, no home and they are hungry, they will understand that Bama-Nomics is killing America.

    The SHEEP can talk B.S. all day long but it doesn't reduce the Human Devastation caused by Bama's failed economic policies. Bama and the SHEEP need to get out of DENIAL and into Reality.

    • Posted By: Palin who? @ 06/17/2009 1:56:15 PM

      Messiah, instead of bitching why don't you offer some other plan than what's in play right now. You sound like the Messiah of bull$hit...are you Dubbya just hiding your name?

      • Posted By: minnie08 @ 07/10/2009 8:36:49 AM

        You are echoing what many economists have said. They feared that the enormity of economic contraction, called for a Larger Stimulus package. It's very important to remember that only approx. 12% of the stimulus money has been dispersed to states, and the stimulus pkg was designed to affect the economy over a Two year period, not a measly (5) months from the day the president signed the bill! It's simply too early to tell!
        Moreover, I read an article yesterday, I can???t remember which, (WA Post ? NYT? ), which accused many States of mismanaging the stimulus funds and therefore the money was not as effective in creating new jobs as it was intended to be. The article implicated that some state governments had dispersed the money to less populated areas, versus more metropolitan areas where most of the states??? populations were located. The article went on the say that the states have also used the stimulus money to help keep them a float, and that is Not what the stimulus money was for. I think that the American people should start contacting their local politicians and governors on why they have in some cases mismanaged or misappropriated stimulus funds!
        Lastly, I???m amazed at the unrealistic expectations of the average citizen who has fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda from neoconservatives and republicans who's are disingenuous and would slander Obama no matter what he did or didn't do. I think Obama has done a great job considering the hand he was dealt, and I for one, don???t expect the economy to recover for a long time.

  • Posted By: Seth Fiegerman @ 07/06/2009 3:23:31 PM

    There's noting wrong with the Stimulus package except that it's just not big enough to solve the crisis. Still, the economy would be in better shape right now if Obama started to act more forcefully. There's a great article online today by an MSNBC news anchor explaining the steps Obama needs to take RIGHT NOW in order to stop the economy from going off a cliff. Check it out: http://thestimulist.com/the-w-economy-its-here-already/

    • Posted By: minnie08 @ 07/10/2009 8:30:20 AM

      You are echoing what many economists have said. They feared that the enormity of economic contraction, called for a Larger Stimulus package. It's very important to remember that only approx. 12% of the stimulus money has been dispersed to states, and the stimulus pkg was designed to affect the economy over a Two year period, not a measly (5) months from the day the president signed the bill! It's simply too early to tell!
      Moreover, I read an article yesterday, I can???t remember which, (WA Post ? NYT? ), which accused many States of mismanaging the stimulus funds and therefore the money was not as effective in creating new jobs as it was intended to be. The article implicated that some state governments had dispersed the money to less populated areas, versus more metropolitan areas where most of the states??? populations were located. The article went on the say that the states have also used the stimulus money to help keep them a float, and that is Not what the stimulus money was for. I think that the American people should start contacting their local politicians and governors on why they have in some cases mismanaged or misappropriated stimulus funds!
      Lastly, I???m amazed at the unrealistic expectations of the average citizen who has fallen hook, line and sinker for the propaganda from neoconservatives and republicans who's are disingenuous and would slander Obama no matter what he did or didn't do. I think Obama has done a great job considering the hand he was dealt, and I for one, don???t expect the economy to recover for a long time.

  • Posted By: Overtaxed2 @ 06/17/2009 1:58:19 PM

    I keep saying....Bush had until 9/11 to fix all of Clinton's dumb ideas. After 9/11/2009...Obama can no longer blame anyone else and neither can the libs. People sure have short memories because when Clinton was in office, military folks wondered each month if they were going to get paid, national security took a back seat to Bill's extramarital affairs, and everyone hyped up the internet as the greatest thing in the world. Read a few books and you can see why the country started failing economically in the 90's (the world is flat is a great place to start). Then read all of the books written by Jim Collins. And then when you are finished educating yourself with unbiased writers, read the wealth of nations.

    The problem is that 5/6 of the population watches the news channels and doesnt think through any of this on their own. If it comes from MSNBC or FOX it must be true. And to the point that noone criticized the previous administration? You really needed to get your head out of the sand. From the minute Bush won the electoral college election, Gore was parading around telling people he "used to be the next president". Lou Dobbs was bashing Bush everyday. Keith Olberman stopped short of issuing death threats to Bush and his cronies.

    But keep allowing the general media to brainwash you about no one attacking Bush this way.

    9 months to change the country is all a president needs....This president did it in less, but not necessarily in a good way

    • Posted By: Groo @ 06/30/2009 4:48:01 AM

      Overtaxed, let's pare down all the "fluff" in your reply. You can't just make a statement like the one you did, "9 months to change the country is all a president needs", without some sort of supporting fact. Upon what do you base this magical number? Frankly, it just seems like an arbitrary number you threw out in order to slip in what you thought was a clever dig. Though I agree with some of your sentiments regarding not thinking, these kind of glib, over-simplified views of a complex dynamic, make seem like you may be one of the people to which you referred.

      Can we actually let the money thoroughly circulate before pronouncing the the adminstration a failure for not fixing the mistakes of previous administrations? While we're at it, can we stop pretending there was no Bush administration? Yes, Obama is responsible for fixing the problem, but let's stop pretending he was the fault of them...when need to be able to look back with honesty, we can move forward with a firm understanding of what went wrong.

  • Posted By: wstephenjackson @ 06/21/2009 4:53:13 PM

    If anyone has made a grievous error here, and almost everyone has, it is in relying on the assumption that economic theory can reliably predict such matters at all. I say this holding a Masters in Economics and Econometrics (essentially, the statistics of Economics, and we all remember that old adage about lies and statistics). As a practical matter, there are so many variables which apply to the financial markets and to such matters as employment decisions, many being more in tune with psychology than with any real understanding of a coherent economic system, that any projections outside of a stable period of growth, and outside of a short term time frame, are effectively meaningless. Economic theory has yet to identify a coming boom or recessions until it arrives and is in play. In other words, it can only tell us what any astute observer already knew. This is a lesson that neither political party has ever learned because it is, as Al Gore would say regarding other matters, an 'Inconvenient Truth'. There are so many sentient minds applied to their own concerns within our economy, many of them outside of the United States, that a complex soup of game theory is the result. At best, such indicators are valuable as general 'rules of thumb' to planners, but anyone who takes them at face value, does so at their own risk. This is especially true for most of us, the great unwashed masses who exercise no collective economic power at all due to our own lack of understanding and organization. If there is a good thing about the current administration, it is their groundbreaking tactic of having garnered the lion's share of their financial support from small and numerous donors, rendering large check corporations, wealthy individuals and unions far less influential. In that one aspect, perhaps the President has shown us a path out of the current problems. Until our power is more valuable to a candidate than that of the deep pocket interests, whoever they are, and to whichever party they contribute, our interests will not be a priority. Respectfully, Stephen Jackson.

    • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 06/29/2009 3:36:38 PM

      Thoughtful post; but I would caution you in thinking that the financial backing of Obama came as first hyped -- that of many small contributers over the internet and grassroots means. I believe that there has been mounting retrospection that, in fact, the vast majority of Obama financial support came from few very large contributers. What was brilliant was the selling of the idea that his support was massive collection of small, personal contributions. But, let's face it, no one elected President does so with just Mom & Pop's soda can money.

    • Posted By: bojack27 @ 06/23/2009 2:37:33 PM

      I admire the fact that you have Masters in Economics. I'm pursuing my MBA as well.

      The problem I have with Obama is that he is not being transparent. You acknowledge that he use groundbreaking tactics which garnered his campaign a lions share of financial support. Knowing this president Obama didn't disclose those who participated in his record breaking run for the office of President of the United States. Their are reports of foreign donors, ACORN scandals, firing of IG, appointment of CZARS ....etc.. One gets the picture that they have been hoodwinked by this Chicago politician....just my opinion...

  • Posted By: Russian55 @ 06/29/2009 3:01:39 AM

    Obama claimed he would "create" 3.1 million new jobs. So far he is at -2.1 million and losing more ground.

    Worse yet, Obama is not only deep in red ink, but plans to start NEW spending programs.

    This is a bit like getting fired and planning to go buy a new car! How stupid can we be?

    And then, we have the Speaker of the House claiming the "cap and trade" plan will create jobs, dispte the fact that in Spain and elsewhere it has done exactly the opposite.

    We need some people to take off their "Obama colored" glasses and start looking at the REAL WORLD!

  • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 06/24/2009 6:59:18 AM

    Obama is a "Big Spender" with taxpayers' money. Can't see any positive results in the economy yet. Inflation seems to be moving up rather quickly as prices of necessities, i.e. groceries seem to be costing approximately 25% higher than before Obama was in office. Unemployment is higher than Obama's administration predicted and looks like unemployment will increase in the future. I think we have a president who doesn't know anything about economics, and he must have failed math/or he is purposely trying to destroy our economic future. Obama is already looking like a BIG FAILURE to me.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 06/22/2009 6:34:37 PM

    ''Californias Dance Of Death''

    So says todays LA Times article on the states economy noting that the now-tarnished ''Golden State'' is flat broke. The AP Business Report is observing double-digit unemployment in most western states,while ''Stimulus'' is without an independant watchdog at the helm due to the fact Obama canned him and two other Inspectors General for reasons that are unclear and unconvincing [The FBI now stepping in to look into one if not more of what these IGs uncovered in their own investigations].
    This is fast becoming a national disaster Jobs are shedding faster and more businesses going out of business than can be accurately tracked.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 06/22/2009 5:51:37 PM

    Bloomberg Magazine:The Bulk of the Stimulus Money will be Spent in [2010-2011]

  • Posted By: fallon2012 @ 06/22/2009 9:00:19 AM

    One sister lost her job wtith an inurance agency. With so many jobs lost in the private sector, the insurance agency needed to cut more costs. Another sister and her husband lost their engineering jobs. My daughter's company just announced they will be going out of business in a month. A neighbor, in sales, had to sell his house because his salary was cut so far he could no longer afford the payments.

    The economy is hemorraghing.

    Every time Obama says "jobs saved or created" his nose grows.

  • Posted By: Candyram @ 06/21/2009 2:00:12 AM

    The stimulus was meant for one thing....to pay Obama's union buddies back for their huge campaign donations. And, I'm not talking about union workers, I'm talking about union bosses...oh and Acorn. That money that went to help people that were foreclosed upon went to Acorn too. And if you think that they were trying to help the UAW workers with the big 3 bailout, think again. AIG put 90 million into a automaker in China and Al Gore put money into an auto company in New Orleans (big Acorn area) and will pay its workers 40K. I know the UAW won't work for 40K, and I can't say that I blame them for that.

  • Posted By: Candyram @ 06/21/2009 1:51:29 AM

    Factcheck? Hello, do you get it yet? Factcheck is run by the Annenbergs.....the same one's that Obama had ties to in Chicago. Save or create jobs? Yeah, ok....lets not deal in facts. You can't prove how many jobs that he claimed to save. Unemployment is up pretty much everywhere. And the only reason the claims have gone down is because many people's time on unemployment is up. You can only collect for so long.

  • Posted By: Peggy97478 @ 06/21/2009 1:04:33 AM

    Is anyone really stupid enough to believe ANYTHING Obama says? I have learned to watch and see what he does, instead. This is the most CORRUPT administration in my lifetime, including the Richard Nixon years. Fortunately, he will be a one-termer in the model of Jimmy Carter. And I believe there will be an earth-shaking change in the balance of power in Congress next year. People have just about had it with this narcissistic megalomaniac!

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 06/17/2009 7:38:36 PM

    ye gods, what a mess. After finding out that those who held steady and made their mortgage payments on time would be bailing out everyone else including the poor pitiful SOHO -dwelling yuppie/with two kids in a million-dollar flat [ no kidding there. That person was interviewed on June 09,2009 on NPRs ''All Things Considered''],and then finding out that in revenge for Obama letting the po folks racking up plastic debt like sailors on Honolulu liberty ,card companies are now shutting out those who made regular payments, and then finding out that their MEDICARE will be ripped off to pay for younger patients [ Obama Voting Demographic],and then finding out that Government Motors will not fix their transmission warranty problem because the dealership is out of business,everyone will be peddling apples or pencils before the smoke clears ,as they will be no portion of the chimeric ''150,000''.

    The word for today:

    ''FURLOUGH''

    How many folks in your town or city have been asked to take work ''furloughs'' as a precursor to being laid off?

    • Posted By: Aroleflin @ 06/20/2009 10:16:10 PM

      I have been furlouhed by my firm two months ago. My company two years ago had 135 employees. Since the Democrats took over and Obama took his throne, my company now employs 20. So much for the 'Change' we were sold on. I am voting independant or Republican come 2010 and 2012.

  • Posted By: LSMaryland @ 06/17/2009 1:29:21 PM

    President Obama has been in office less than six months but the right wing, left wing, media, including the hypocrite comedian Bill M. and others are attacking him. He is being questioned and second guessed constantly even about those disasters caused by Bush #43 and his administration. Where were all these critics when Bush #43 was in office. For most of the eight years that Bush #43 was in office, his actions were not questioned, even by the media. Had Bush #43 received just half of the scrutiny that is given to Obama, this country would not have entered the useless Iraq war based on liars- " weapons of mass destruction," experiencing an economic meltdown due to deregulation of financial institutions, which has resulted in massive unemployment and people losing their homes.

    In the short time that President Obama has been in office, he has done an outstanding job in cleaning up the MESS left by Bush #43 and the Republicans !. Those who are complaining have a short memory who caused this MESS and it was not President Obama.

    • Posted By: Aroleflin @ 06/20/2009 10:11:11 PM

      The difference between Bush #43 and Obama is when Bush #43 made a promise, he kept it. Obama has not kept a single promise he has made. A very serious personality flaw I would say. Disturbing in fact. Worse, Obama is a narcissist. We are headed for serious problems because this empty suit is in the White House.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 06/18/2009 2:47:06 PM

      In addition, Bush tried to re-regulate Fannie and Freddie in 2002 & 2003 (See New York Times 09-11-03) but was shot down by the dems led by Frank, Obama (a State Senaotr then) Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, Biden and a host of others. Mc Cain re-sounded the same alarm in 2005 and was shot down by the same bunch (this time Obama was a Federal Senator) In June 2008, Barney Frank is on video saying Fannie and Freddie were on sound financial ground and should not by re-regulated.but it is Bush's fault. At least admit the truth and if you don't know it don't say it and do research to find out.

    • Posted By: John Dough @ 06/18/2009 2:32:04 PM

      First of all, Bush actually did very litte in the way of de-regulation. Clinton was the top de-regulator followed by Reagan. To blame all the economic woes on Bush is another fallicy. The dems took 1/2 of congress in 2004 and all of it in 2006. Congress distates spending and compromises had to be reached. What democrat(s) fillibustered Bush's budgets. None most ovted for them. Bush really became a democrat in his second term. As far as WMD lies - the intel provided on WMD's came from Clinton and all dems and most of the world believed he had them too. 90% of dems voted for the war then tried to pull this we didn't know crap that they are famous for. Go back and look at HIllary in video championing the war especially when Hussien was captured braggging about her support for the war and for President Bush. It is laughable and the media does not call her on it like all of her other lies and well of those of her husband, Dodd, Frank, Kerry, Kenedy, Gore and a host of thers too. Blaming Bush is getting old and it simply is not the real truth. Contrast that with Obama's budget - no GOP'ers voted for it. They can make that statement as one of fact. But I will guarantee you if this stimulus remains the big bust it is now dems will start bailing out very soon. Term limits and a GOP congress are needed now!!!

  • Posted By: Aroleflin @ 06/20/2009 10:05:32 PM

    Gee, I saved 150,000 alphabetic letters by keeping this comment to one sentence.

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