The Case For Legal Late-Term Abortions

Abortion wasn't an option for my parents, but raising my severely retarded brother nearly destroyed our family.

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  • Posted By: ObamaMama @ 09/01/2009 5:19:49 PM

    Killing is killing in -utero or ex -utero. Killing is against natural law. Abortion ends life. Abortion destroys human life at every stage. 50 million unborn aborted Americans cry out to the Father for justice and mercy. Domestic terrorism ? Began with Roe v. Wade, which launched legal genocide. 50 million unborn aborted Americans in 36 years ! Americans across the country seem to recognize this. Please join prayer for conversion of hearts and end to the worldwide holocaust of abortion !

  • Posted By: EquiPro @ 06/23/2009 8:24:30 AM

    The problem that we are having with this discussion, again, is that the issue of late-term abortion is NOT about, at this period of time, severely disabled children that were born more than 15 years ago or so. The issues of raising these children are NOT applicable, for the most part, in this issue.

    What bothers me is that the images of "late term abortion" that are used by pro-lifers, and to which they apply the words "heinous crime" and more are ALSO, for the most part not applicable.

    Late term abortions are far outside the norm and are very few and far between and are, again for the most part (I say this because I am sure that there is the odd exception here or there) used in extreme cases, such as my friend's case that I described before. In a nutshell, she and her husband very much wanted the child she was carrying. During the middle of the second trimester, the fetal development started to show some unusual issues. Around the beginning of the third trimester and after an exhausting series of tests, it was determined that the fetus had a rare and severe genetic syndrome that meant that there were only two possibilities:

    1) it would die inside my friend before the pregnancy got to term and my friend would have to naturally deliver and dead child or

    2) it would live to "viability", but would be born with defects so severe that it would die within a day or two, regardless of medical intervention. This option, btw, also put my friend into a "high risk pregnancy" with regards to HER health, as so many situations of this type often do. Carrying a child in this situation is a real risk to the mother's health and her life.

    My friend, very religious, chose option #2, but to this day has been quite clear that she's not sure that it was the right choice and IS quite sure that it was NOT the kind choice. The child suffered tremendously for the 48 or so hours that it lived. It was in pain because of the developmental defects. It was subjected to needles, IVs, and all of the rest of the painful experiences that those with debilitating and fatal conditions in a hospital face, even with minimal intervention. There was no "Hallmark Moment", and not one person, in MY FRIEND'S opinion, gained anything in those few hours. It was an exercise in the way to have a miserable and prolonged death, since, once born, the choice to "choice life" comes with radical limitations on what can be done to have a "good death". In other words, this family made their "pro-life" choice, and then that child was subjected to a death that we wouldn't CONSIDER allowing our family pet to experience. And THIS is from the people who actually experienced what a late-term abortion is really for.

    So, if they had, instead, chosen to have a late-term abortion, would it really have been a "heinous crime"?

    OR, would it have been true compassion?

    • Posted By: Heavenstinyangels @ 07/16/2009 8:27:01 PM

      So, you think a late term PBA, with having its skull stuck with scissors, of which they ARE alive you know, would have been a better choice? How is THAT a better choice? Why, because it was fast? Certainly NOT painless.

  • Posted By: Heavenstinyangels @ 07/16/2009 8:19:39 PM

    I find this whole thing rather sickening. Dr. Tiller was horrible man and I dont know how this man could even show his face in a church. He was a hypocritical fool. A christian man ripping and pulling apart human life? What an oxymoron. So whats next, killing the aged? Oh wait, we already do that in nursing homes! This not about GOD, this is about ethical treatment. What I find even more perplexing is that those who oppose the death penalty, of the GUILTY, really enjoy keeping the thought of having PBA available for the INNOCENT. Thank goodness now days, you can test early, then your conscience wont have to deal with ripping your childs skull open and sucking out its brains. I know that sounds harsh, but its the facts. Also, dont use the bible to justify abortion by saying " judge not, lest ye judged." Thats just wrong! With Obama and his so called REFORM< those of us who dont think abortion should be paid for by our tax dollars, just might have to. We pay for having babies, and want to pay for YOUR abortion, yet...insurance wont cover BEFORE the problem happens. ie: BC pills. Something is just not right here! If you wish to have an abortion, by all means, do so...dont expect I wont fight when its MY TAX dollars to pay for it! I still can believe i hear, they HATED or Scorned they babies. Burden to society? How about all the ppl on welfare who dont work or contribute to society and they are HEALTHY? Or the illegal aliens we provide insurance to and give FREE education, Now THATS a burden on society. Oh brother. Make no mistake, there is a special place in hell for ppl like Dr. Tiller, who went to church and asked for forgiveness of sins, then went out to his office and systematically KILLED the innocent. Sick!

  • Posted By: RyeBreadBoy @ 07/16/2009 4:15:58 PM

    @Qadoshyah: the writer stated that Down's Syndrome is a gradient. It's quite possible that the level your brother is at and the level her brother was at, are at opposite ends of the spectrum. He also had three other siblings in addition to the Down's Syndrome brother, so I believe he was attempting to express that his parents found it difficult to provide adequate care for all of them. And whatever you think, it is PARENTS that are supposed to be caring for their children, the older children aren't supposed to have to "pitch in", or "go it alone". It's not that they didn't want him around, it's that it was better for the family if he was in an institution where people are paid and trained to care for him. I think the author was probably very scarred by his experiences and his brother obviously had a very severe case of Down's Syndrome.

    While I know that the author's experiences are not necessarily those of the majority, I think that it's important to hear stories like this. If only to know that (unlike Qadoshyah's family) not every kid with Down's Syndrome is a little angel baby. They need years of intense care and will have to be cared for even into adulthood. If both parents have very demanding careers, it's likely that they will be unable to give the baby the care and time that it needs. I don't advocate for abortion in most cases, and I feel that I would personally have a very hard time if it ever became necessary, but I advocate for the right of people to have access to it if they think it is required. In the event that parents cannot (or choose not to) care for children like the one depicted in the article, they are doomed to life inside an asylum, marginalized, never able to contribute to society. I'm not even going to address the viewpoint of "gracious servent", who laments the author's lack of education while misspelling the word servant. I understand that religious people are opposed to abortion. But guess what? Not everyone believes in your God, or accepts that you feel the need to "save us". If you're opposed to abortions, don't get them. I think it's terrible that religious extremists killed that doctor. If he hadn't been tending to those patients, they would have found other ways to get abortions, and could have been hurt or died in the process. Or, they would have ended up with babies they hated and scorned, who would then have become a burden on society. Someone had to fill that need. I highly doubt he was a bad person, and if you believe that his practices made him "evil", leave God to mete out justice in heaven. After all, doesn't the Bible say "judge not, lest ye be judged?"

  • Posted By: kokiechick @ 07/02/2009 11:53:36 PM

    Wow, I was seriously in shock after reading this article. I have a brother with Down syndrome and wouldn't trade him for anything. My family has only been BLESSED by having him in our family, not destroyed. To read this article and see the reaction that his family/siblings had towards him is so sad. How could anyone not want their brother around?!

    I am incredibly thankful my parents have kept my brother and would've never chosen the abortion option (if they knew prenatally about his diagnosis). My life has been very enriched by my brother. I made sure I gave him extra kisses and I love you's tonight as he fell asleep on the couch next to me, because he is loved and wanted. He is not in a family who can't handle him and would rather him be institutionalized. Oh, the thought of that is horrible! When he is grown and if I ever have to care for him myself when our parents aren't around, I will gladly accept that.

    An honored sister,
    Qadoshyah

  • Posted By: jdang307 @ 07/02/2009 2:08:10 PM

    Wah wah wahhhhh. What's next, a test to determine if your child will be a misfit, druggie, criminal, delinquent? If so, abort! You're being extremely selfish here. Focusing on your dad's beer and wine (which I am sorry for) you gloss over the fact your mother devoting her life to helping children. All these wonderful children were helped by the great efforts of your mother, but you lament the fact that they did not have a choice because your father turned to beer and wine.

    Very selfish of you. I'm sure all the children helped by your wonderful mother are grateful for her services. Life is hard. But, that's life.

  • Posted By: gracious servent @ 06/24/2009 7:22:17 PM

    What a very disturbed, uncompassionate, and uneducated man who was the author of this article. But, not much more could be expected from such a liberal outlet of "news." God allows such circumstances in peoples lives for many reasons, to strengthen their faith (if current Christians), or bring them to a relationship with Him if not already. There are other reasons that we would never know about too. There is no choice if a pregnancy is going to continue regardless of what happens to be wrong with the child. God has blessed that person with a gift from Him and they will receive His grace to get through their ordeal as He has given His promise. What if the authors' mother had decided to abort him just because she didn't feel like being pregnant? This isn't about judging, but being educated in the wisdom of Christ and how He holds human life so sacred. Christians are to love others regardless of what the circumstance, because we wouldn't be bringing Him glory if we weren't His ambassadors on earth and telling others about His views. About judging, God clearly states in His words that those who haven't accepted Jesus will be judged according to their deeds when Jesus Christ sets up His thrown at the end of the tribulation period. We all have a decision to make. Choose life (Jesus), or choose our own ways and thoughts and choose death-eternally damnation.

  • Posted By: EquiPro @ 06/23/2009 8:35:02 AM

    Oh, and BTW...

    It was only this family's pro-life stance that forced them into this choice. After all, how could they have lived in their community and with their support group of friends and family - for the most part people whose pro-life feelings are the same as RANDJA1957 - if they had made any other choice?

    If they had even let their friends, family and support groups know that they THINKING about a late-term abortion, what would have happened to them? Do you think they would have been called "baby killers" and perpetrators of a heinous crime? I think that's pretty clear...

    Because there is no compassion or understand of this sort of issue - the most common type of issue that leads to the option of a late-term abortion - from people with that belief set (even though Jesus was the first one to direct people to be compassionate, understand and loving and NOT TO JUDGE), there become no options. This rigid, judgmental and persecutory line on this issue is cruel and shows no compassion, whatsoever, for people stuck in this sort of circumstance. There is no room for tolerance and understanding, no matter how good the people or their intentions are and no matter how dire the circumstances.

    And that is why I am pro-choice. I personally would not have a regular abortion, nor have I ever had to make that decision, even though I am child of the "free love" 60s and 70s. I was very well educated on pregnancy and birth control and my main reason for being very diligent was my decision that I NEVER WANTED TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.

    But if, during my pregnancy, I received the news that my friend received, I would want to have all options available so that I could make the KINDEST and most compassionate choice - free from the judgment of those who have never had to live through those circumstances or face those decisions - and not be forced into making a choice that I, PERSONALLY, find to be the "heinous" one...

  • Posted By: RANDJA1957 @ 06/20/2009 11:45:34 PM

    MY BROTHER HAS TWO MENATALLY AND PHYSICALLY HANDICAPPED KIDS, HE AND HIS WIFE NEVER ONCE THOUGHT THAT ABORTION MIGHT HAVE MADE THIER LIFE EASIER. IT TAKES SPECIAL PEOPLE TO RAISE SPECIAL CHILDREN ANSD MY BROTHER AND HIS WIFE ARE TWO SUCH PEOPLE. THE WEAK AND LAZY GET ABORTIONS I WONDER WHAT THE REAL PERCENTAGE IS OF CHILDREN THAT ARE TRULEY HANDICAPED THAT ARE ABORTED AND HOW MANY ARE ABORTED BECAUSE THEY ARE AN INCONVENIENCE TO A WOMAN OR COUPLE THAT WASN'T CAREFUL.
    YOU CAN AGRUE ALL YOU WANT THAT ITS JUST A FETUS FOLKS BUT THE HARD TRUTH IS THAT ITS A LIFE, JUST LIKE A DOG OR A CAT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE FIGHT TO KEEP ALIVE AND PROTECT.
    THERE ARE PEOPLE TO SPEAK FOR THEM, SO IT IS THAT SOME OONE MUST SPEAK FOR THE UNBORN....... AND LATE TERM ABORTION ARE A HEINOUS CRIME AND SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.......

  • Posted By: bellaella @ 06/21/2009 3:12:51 PM

    Buie, I feel for you and your family. Although I don't believe in abortions, I am strongly pro-choice. I am aghast at how far the pro-life people have done to defend their choices, including murder. There lies the irony. Murdering to defend their pro-choice position. I have seen friends gone through abortions and have seen some of them never really recover from it. Even then, if I was faced with having a severly disabled child , I think abortion is a kinder choice. I have an elderly nanny in her late 80's who frets about dying because there is no one around to take care of her disable son , who is in his 50's, if she were to pass away. It is a difficult choice - I wish those fanatics would understand, and respect

  • Posted By: pelinka @ 06/19/2009 12:27:58 PM

    This article does not really support late-term abortion (check Equipro's comment below). And since this article is based on a person's opinion on what happened in her family, here is mine.
    My brother was born normal, but got sick when he was 8 months. Many people think he was born that way (Deeply mentally retarded with seizures and autistic-like behaviors) and it has not been easy for my family either, and will not be when they pass away and we, his siblings, take him in. But... I would not trade him for the world, and in fact, I am so thankful for having him in my life. I would not be the person I am, would not have learned and experienced the things I have with him, and would not have learned to love unconditionally if it weren't for him. And while he is not economically productive (he is a "burden", economically and emotionally, as many would say), he has enriched so many people's lives too.
    Would live had been easier without him? Possibly yes, but most probably not. He has provided us with skills and attitudes that have made our lives simpler, fuller, warmer. We can now deal with ALL kinds of people (soft skills for a competitive world anyone?) while still enjoy the simple things such a smile.
    We are wired (and encouraged by our times) to want things without complications, pain, effort, distractions or delays. Nothing wrong with that, but an attitude wanting only easy things does not make us better, well rounded, humane people. When things (or people!) happen that are not easy, it should force us to revaluate our priorities (a career or a life? money now or a human connection forever?).

  • Posted By: yvonne1947 @ 06/19/2009 9:33:42 AM

    Your "tragedy" sounds alot like self pity. I am sure that your family went a very hard time, most families do in one way or another. It is not up to us to dispose of people to better our situation. You have no idea how your brothers life influenced everyone who ever met him. Just because you are unable to see the cause and effect except through a childs eyes you are in no position to judge. I do agree with you I doubt that your mom and dad would have chosen abortion even if it had been available to them since they had such a hard time putting him in a home. So your point is what? Make late tem abortion available so that brothers and sisters can do away with siblings they are resent. This is up to God who lives and who dies not to people and should be left that way, and if you don't belive in God then up to nature or whatever it is you believe. Only God has all the facts and can make this judgement. We as humans don't have the athority or the capability to place a soul in a human so why do we think that we should have the right to dispose of that being? I am glad your family survived and that your mom regained her stability but don't blame your brothers condition for what might have happened even if he had died at an early age. Thnik about it as it sounds like your mom and dad loved this child alot.

    • Posted By: EquiPro @ 06/19/2009 10:20:55 AM

      The reality is that in nature, most offspring of this type would not survive. If truly left up to "God", many people who are alive today would NOT be alive. It is HUMAN intervention that allows that survival - not nature and not "god".

      • Posted By: pelinka @ 06/19/2009 12:11:25 PM

        >>"The reality is that in nature, most offspring of this type would not survive. If truly left up to "God", many people who are
        >>alive today would NOT be alive. It is HUMAN intervention that allows that survival - not nature and not "god"."

        This answer points out the human tendency to care for our offspring or for those weaker and less able to survive without support (which we all do need, from one degree or another). Nowhere in nature we find this attribute, I agree. But the problem with the sentence is the "it is human intervention,.. not "god"' part. How is it that human do have this attribute in the first place? It certainly doesn't fit the "evolutionary" trait, because it does not actually make us more productive or efficient. Or maybe it does because this trait would make us more appealing to potential mates? Is compassion a good trait too? And again, how come? and so on.

        And please, don't assume now, I believe in evolution, that is, the progressive development of species. But that is not all I believe in.

  • Posted By: pelinka @ 06/19/2009 12:10:33 PM

    >>"The reality is that in nature, most offspring of this type would not survive. If truly left up to "God", many people who are
    >>alive today would NOT be alive. It is HUMAN intervention that allows that survival - not nature and not "god"."

    This answer points out the human tendency to care for our offspring or for those weaker and less able to survive without support (which we all do need, from one degree or another). Nowhere in nature we find this attribute, I agree. But the problem with the sentence is the "it is human intervention,.. not "god"' part. How is it that human do have this attribute in the first place? It certainly doesn't fit the "evolutionary" trait, because it does not actually make us more productive or efficient. Or maybe it does because this trait would make us more appealing to potential mates? Is compassion a good trait too? And again, how come? and so on.

    And please, don't assume now, I believe in evolution, that is, the progressive development of species. But that is not all I believe in.

  • Posted By: EquiPro @ 06/19/2009 10:27:57 AM

    Just for discussions sake:

    I don't think that the author has completely thought her position through, and, I'm not sure that a late-term abortion would have been a necessary option for her parents, even if it had been available.

    People in her parent's situation, due to technology available today, would probably know well in advance that the fetus had these problems and would probably be able to make those decisions long before the pregnancy would advance to the "late-term" stage. In this particular situation, the issue of a late-term abortion would probably, in this day and age, be mute.

    Additionally, did her parents know that the child was severely impaired late in her mother's pregnancy? Probably not. The child's condition probably wasn't known until it was actually born, so, in reality, a late-term abortion would NOT have been a solution here. If her parent's were experiencing this situation today, they would alerted to the Down's Syndrome within the first trimester while they still would have time to make a decision for a regular abortion.

    Really, this article ISN'T a very good "case for legal later-term abortions", moreover it IS case for the lack of support that parents had in those days when a child was born with these sorts of conditions.

  • Posted By: EquiPro @ 06/19/2009 10:16:37 AM

    To Mr. All CAPS, (and I'm pretty sure that you are, indeed, a "Mr."), I suggest this:

    If we can't, as a country and as the human race, stop the whole "us vs. them" mentality, we will not be around very much longer. It is the "us vs. them" mentality that has allowed us to hate, torture, rape and kill each other for as long as we have been on this planet. It gets us nowhere. "Republicans", "Democrats", "liberal", "conservative", etc. - these are all made-up words to keep people riled up and hating each other. I am not religious, but for the human race to make it, we MUST begin to "turn the other cheek", to "love thine enemies"" and to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Your hate gets you nowhere and creates nothing but more venom in the world. You are old and tired, so you say, then certainly you know from seeing it in your own life that the only thing that really makes any kind of change is to change from within. Perhaps you could try to imagine this:

    Remember yourself as a young married couple. You find out that you are expecting your first child...something that you have always dreamed of. You set up the nursery and you plan your life. You dream dreams and hope hopes. Everything seems fine.

    Then in the third trimester of the pregnancy, you find out that your baby has a rare genetic disorder. The baby growing inside of you or your wife will be born with all sorts of genetic, mental and physical problems and probably won't live for more than a day. During the time that child DOES live, it will be poked full of needles, possibly cut open, will be on a respirator, will be on drugs and pain-killers and will NEVER know what it is like to be held and loved. It's deformities will be so severe that it will probably die within the last trimester anyway, in which case you or your wife will go through labor to deliver a dead child.

    This happened to a friend of mine. She decided to carry the child to term and deliver it, rather than do a late term abortion. The child died a few days after it was born, and those few days were hell on earth for everyone.

    Is the case against late-term abortions still so clear-cut? What would YOU do - really - in this circumstance..if it was YOUR wife who had to spend the last 3 months of the pregnancy that you both so wanted, carrying death inside of her?

    This is the more real circumstance of late-term abortion. It lives outside of all of the shouting and name calling and hate. It lives with couples like my friend who agonized after finding out the news and for whom the pain never goes away.

    Is it really so clear-cut?

  • Posted By: Mahayana @ 06/18/2009 8:49:52 PM

    I agree with what you said in your article here. Thank you for sharing your opinions, and your personal experiences. I am also a supporter of late-term abortions, and I strongly believe they need to be kept legal. Safe, legal abortions will always be necessary, and that's not a bad thing.
    Thanks again for your article.

  • Posted By: Proud2BRight @ 06/18/2009 8:17:05 PM

    Perhaps your parents could have chosen to have a late-term abortion when your mother was pregnant with you. Then you wouldn't have had to deal with the "tragedy" of having a less-than-perfect sibling. You make me sick!

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 10:21:23 AM

    WITCH HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, WILLIAM JEFFERSON BLYTH CLINTON, SARAH PALIN, TODD PALIN.

    THOSE IN POWER WHO CAN'T CONTROL THEIR OWN LIBIDOS, THOSE THAT ARE BAD EXAMPLES FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

    THOSE THAT ARE PERVERTS AND EMBRACE DESIRES WITH THEIR OWN GENDER AND CHILDREN ---------- THESE COULD CONVINCE SOME THAT LATE TERM ABORTIONS ARE ACCEPTABLE.

    WITCH HILLARY BREAKING AN ELBOW ------ WONDERFUL START.

    BARNEY FRANK CHOCKING TO DEATH ON SOMEONES WEENIE ---- WONDERFUL THOUGHT.

    BUBBA CLINTON GETTING HIS WEENIE BIT OFF ------ GREAT.

    • Posted By: SilentObserver_intheCorner @ 06/18/2009 10:27:48 AM

      So, is it the topic and practice of abortion that makes you angry, maybe the government and its policies, or are you just angry?

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 11:56:11 AM

        I AM TIRED AND OLD AND HAVE OBSERVED POLITICAL CORRUPTION AND LIBERAL FOOLS MOST OF MY LIFE.

        KILLING AN INNOCENT CHILD IS HORRIBLE.

        GOVERNMENT LIES, POLITICIANS BROKEN PROMISES, POLITICAL ABUSE OF POWER, ETC. ; THESE CAUSE ME TO BE ANGRY.

        I THANK THOSE WHO HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO KILL LATE TERM ABORTIONISTS; SERIAL KILLERS DESERVE THIS PUNISHMENT.

        • Posted By: SilentObserver_intheCorner @ 06/18/2009 12:15:05 PM

          Are you a person that takes to heart the 10 Commandments?

          • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 7:04:39 PM

            NOPE !

            I AM HONEST TO SAY THE TRUTH ----- IF I WAS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN BIBLICAL TIMES, I WOULD HAVE SHOT ABRAHAM FOR PULLING A KNIFE ON HIS SON.

            I TRY MY BEST; BUT, ADMIT I HAVE VIOLATED SOME COMMANDMENTS.

        • Posted By: justnate @ 06/18/2009 12:06:47 PM

  • Posted By: Mrs.BG @ 06/18/2009 10:47:27 AM

    Why can't people just mind their own business.

    If a woman wants or doesnt want to have a baby that's her business and as ADULTS we should respect and ADULT's own decision.

    If you are pro-life, Good for you, encourage people to be pro-life by giving birth to babies and caring for them, not by passing judgement on someone who doesn't share your views.

    If you are pro-choice, good for you, try to keep that to yourself so you don't get bombarded by society.

    Let's be adults people and respect each other's decisions.

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 11:24:18 AM

      WHY CAN'T PEOPLE MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS ?

      IF A WOMAN WANTS TO KILL / MURDER AN INNOCENT CHILD JUST PRIOR TO BIRTH -------- WHY NOT LET HER.

      MRS. BG -------- YOU LIBERAL LUMP OF COW PIE.

      MURDER IS OK ?

      PRO - CHOICE IS STILL PRO - MURDER OF AN INNOCENT BEING.

      SELF DEFENSE IS A WOMANS RIGHT, A WOMANS CHOICE ; SHE MAY BE JUDGED LATER BY A HIGHER POWER.

      • Posted By: Mrs.BG @ 06/18/2009 11:44:01 AM

        I'm actually a Republican who thinks that if a person is pro-choice that is ok and I will not judge him/her. If a person is pro-life that is great and my regards to them.

        sincerely,
        Republican piece oflbig lump meat pie. :)

        • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 12:12:58 PM

          REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT --------- DOES IT MATTER ?

          PRO - CHOICE STILL KILLS THE INNOCENT.

          • Posted By: KCASL1125 @ 06/18/2009 2:04:01 PM

            Could you please stop typing in all caps? It makes you sound like a psychopath who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. And, its rather annoying. Thanks.

            • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 7:00:29 PM

              NOT ON YOUR LIFE !

    • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/18/2009 4:23:36 PM

      If you are child molester, keep it to yourself, only from fear of society
      If you are a voyeuriist, keep it to yourself, so you don't get kicked on the bum

      These must be the new commandements.
      Don't ask, don't tell.

    • Posted By: Silly_Rabbit @ 06/18/2009 11:13:52 AM

      So as an adult then, you are respecting Andrea Yates decision to drown her 5 children? I mean, that's just a REALLY-REALLY late term abortion isn't it? She obviously had the right to kill her children by your logic, and we should be understanding and respectful of that.

      • Posted By: Mrs.BG @ 06/18/2009 11:31:28 AM

        Wow did not see that coming,

        I wish you would have chosen a situation that relates to the abortion topic to emphasize your comment regarding my point of view, but since you mentioned this other extreme situation I guess is only proper of me to comment back as best as I can given your feedback.

        As I mentioned before, when it comes to pro-life and pro-choice, an Adult should have the right to choose where they stand and as Adults we should repect their decision on whether they are pro-choice or pro-life. I hope my comment is much clearer now.

        • Posted By: Wind Dancer @ 06/18/2009 3:42:35 PM

          now an abortion takes place while the the mass of genes is still inside a woman not in a bath tub. that was a crazy woman saving her children from the evil of the world and sending them to God. thats another show of a good God loving person i dont know how people can even compair that mentaly ill womans act with abortion. get real.
          by Dancing in the dark

        • Posted By: Silly_Rabbit @ 06/18/2009 12:19:06 PM

          I understood your point- but when it comes to pro-life a child is a child from conception to the point of adulthood. It's difficult to expect anyone who values life to be respectful of what is murder in their eyes. No one would expect you to respect Andrea Yates' decision- but hers was technically a decision to not have children, just so happened it was after they were out of her womb. Please understand that I am coming at this from the view point of an 8 months pregnant woman who had an abortion in the past. At the time, my decision was based on many factors- one being the fact that the pregnancy was the result of a sexual assualt. I was 17. I didn't want the reminder, or the change of my life plans. And everyone supported my "right". It was just a blob at that point- not really a life. But almost 12 years to the day, I was on a doctor's table staring at a monitor that showed me a little blob with a butterfly fast heartbeat. And I mourned the decision I had the right to make. My sister faced a difficult decision when told there was a 98% chance her child would be severly mentally and physically impaired- she made the same decision I did. Two years later she was pregnant again, and the test results were no more encouraging- but she never forgave herself for her first decision, and so she kept this one. And the tests were wrong. Her daughter is actually at the top of her class. So now she struggles with the thought that the tests could've been wrong the first time. Abortion is one thing to talk about, but another thing to live with.

          • Posted By: Mrs.BG @ 06/18/2009 12:51:18 PM

            I am deeply sorry to hear about the very difficult choices that you and your sister had to make.
            I am glad to hear that you are with child and I pray that everything goes good for baby and mommy.

            The tough decisions a woman must make.

            You are right, life does begin at conception and it is a great miracle to behold.
            But in cases like incest, rape, assault that occurs in women and female children, abortion is a difficult decision that they must make and as adults we cannot judge on what they chose to do.

            I hate that regular women who willingly have sexual relations and become pregnant see abortion as an easy tool to get rid of their ???burden??? and these are women who were told that they will have healthy children and they still go through the abortion procedure! THAT, I cannot support.

            Now that doctors are able to determine whether the baby will be healthy or not, the decision whether to keep the child becomes extremely difficult but is a decision that the couple or woman has to make and who are we to judge.

            I honestly believe that abortion should only be for women or children who suffered rape, incest, or assault only, but every case is different and delicate. There is no right or wrong, but only gray areas that are difficult to bear.

            • Posted By: Mrs.BG @ 06/18/2009 1:25:29 PM

              To Silli Rabbit:

              I also thank you for sharing your story and your sister's. It must have been difficult for you to have done so but your story helps put this delicate issue in a different perspective that must of us will never experience.

              Thank you once again.

      • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 11:28:19 AM

        IT IS AMAZING HOW MRS.BG THINKS.

        STUPIDITY DOES NOT DESERVE RESPECT.

        THOSE WHO KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN CAN EXPECT MY HATRED -------- THATS MY DECISION, MRS.BG SHOULD RESPECT THAT.

        • Posted By: Mrs.BG @ 06/18/2009 11:37:27 AM

          I do, I respect your opinion and I am glad that we are in this country to express our different opinions and choices. I am proud that you take your point of view with pride.

          • Posted By: tired and old @ 06/18/2009 12:17:35 PM

            I ALLOW FOR A WOMANS RIGHT TO DEFEND HERSELF, LATE TERM ABORTION KILLING IS WRONG.

            STICKING A SHARP INSTRUMENT INTO A CHILD EMERGING FROM THE WOMB, NINE MONTHS AFTER CONCEPTION ?

            I CAN'T RESPECT THOSE WHO SUPPORT LATE TERM ABORTIONS -------- SORRY !

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 06/18/2009 4:31:23 PM

    Mrs. BG, women have all the right to abort, if the preganancy is unwanted. Be repsonsible for your body and the child and do it early enough. If not, know that after 21 - 22 weeks, the fetus is a really viable self- surviving organism. To kill it without proper reasons (mother's life in peril, or baby is anencephalic etc) is as horrible as killing a newly born.

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