Our Sinking Welfare State

We won't even admit we have one.

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  • Posted By: John14John @ 07/24/2009 1:08:15 PM

    Socialism (programs/more taxes/more government/welfare state) DOES NOT and HAS NOT every worked Just look around the world. It leads to MORE misery. This is the most obvious obserrvation possible. If you're miserable now, you will certainly be more miserable with more govt. STAND UP AND BE AN ADULT. Try hard for once. It's so incredibly easy to not be an idiot in this country.

  • Posted By: John14John @ 07/24/2009 12:56:15 PM

    Welfare state. hmmm. How in the world does someone belong to that fine state in America. There is so much opportunity in this country and people just BLOW it. If you make a REAL effort, work REAL hard, get education (i know of plenty who had no money and still got a degree), develop a real skill, improve your value in the marketplace, etc., than the welfare (parasites and leaches) state would be non-existent. They are coming after your money, effort, work, etc. people. Who? The parasites. The people that find it easier to take you money versus making a REAL effort in life. What are you going to do about it? If you run, you're done. Stand up and FIGHT THIS. FIGHT these people.

  • Posted By: ecantave01 @ 06/27/2009 3:57:36 AM

    When it comes to corporate welfare, one might think that, noblesse oblige, Big Oil would top the list, as they benefited for years (especially the last eight) from horrendous tax subsidies from the Feds. That the oil industry (the Exxons of the world) has been the recipient of such federal largesse defies common sense, considering the astronomical profits they have been raking in quarter after quarter. Cases of corporate welfare abound in our economy--from welfare queen Walmart's hefty municipal and county tax subsidies to gas companies underreporting royalties to the Feds, to agribusinesses' water subsidies, to mining companies' free access to public land. Yet, Samuelson is not even acknowledging these special government-big business relationships. He finds it more convenient to take on corporations that, at some point in the past, "promised high wages, lifetime employment, generous pensions and comprehensive health insurance??? to their rank and file.

    Samuelson seems to relish the idea that nowadays "workers get skimpier benefits." However, he is silent over the pervasive greed that grips corporate America and translates into the lavish perks and bonuses CEO's of major corporations dole on themselves. Reportedly, total compensation of the 100 highest paid CEO's in 2008 ranged from $18 million to $134 million. According to the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) citing a study published in the Harvard Business Review, the aggregate compensation paid by public companies to their top-five executives (from 1993 to 2003) added up to about $350 billion; and the ratio of this aggregate top-five compensation to the aggregate earnings of these firms during the same period doubled, from 5% to about 10%. I am curious to know what Samuelson thinks of these facts.

  • Posted By: Imetaja @ 06/25/2009 12:01:28 PM

    Samuelson is using a deliberately misleading, unique, and erroneous definition of 'welfare state when describing an employer-employee agreement as one. Yet he fails to mention the one large example of welfare benefits that taxpayers pay out or are due: i.e., the tax subsidies, tax credits,, tax deductions and other tax loophole supports to the needy oil, gas and other US corporations that total billions of dollars quarterly.
    Samuelson would do well to read Jeremy McCarter's piece on Henry Fairlie this week in his own magazine, to appreciate how wrongheaded and meanspirited his own ideas are. News Flash: Darwinian economics was discredited decades ago.

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 06/23/2009 11:29:39 PM

    US was the last capitalist country in the world, the last source of technological innovation. If it joins EU socialism, the whole world will come to stanstill. And there is no way from socialism trap, West Europe and Japan proved it.

    • Posted By: unionave @ 06/24/2009 9:00:25 AM

      If you were sick and needed asssistance I would be happy to do what I could to help you . I do not know you but I know you are human and I have never seen anything better than you or more valuable . That is "socialism" . Team work is also "socialism" . "Welfare is aid by the government because of poverty or unemployment" . According to Webster . We do pay our taxes to "promote the general Welfare " of our nation . The writer of this article attempts to connote that welfare is a harmful activity when in reality it is why we are a sucessful nation . "ism" is part of the old "smoke and mirrors" game and when the smoke clears we are right where we started .

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 06/25/2009 12:22:32 AM

        "Socialism" means, whatever good intention were, that goverment takes money from hard-working people and gives it, besides few poor, mostly to bums. As a result, eventually hard-working people stop working hard or leave, and even bums get less than they would have received from "greedy" capitalists' charities. It was proven countless number of times, starting from USSR, copntinuing with Eastern Europe, and now happening in Western Europe and Japan as well. US is next? Or people like you stop dreaming and kick out liberals (not all Dermocrats, only their liberal wing) from DC.

  • Posted By: Apolitical @ 06/24/2009 2:12:43 PM

    Samuelson forgot that it was the declining wage and the decreasing numbers of middle class that's creating dependence on government assistance. He is feeding to these neo-con racists and fear-mongers that are posting here when it was their own Republican economic policies that's creating the need for government intervention. But I believe neo-cons and Bush loved the poor. Their flawed economic policy made a lot more of them.

  • Posted By: scherf.com @ 06/20/2009 11:23:30 AM

    Excellent article! Truly, we need change, but not the change the communist Obama regime has suggested. We need to return to the pure capitalistic system that made our country successful. We don't need bigger government and more regulation, but instead we need smaller government and less regulation so that the entrepreneurial spirit is activated and that it can prosper as this is the way our society will once again be led to superior prosperity. Right now, under the Obama regime, the U.S. is destined to degrade to third-world poverty as it will lose its status of the world's leading economic power. Every communist regime is destined to fail over time and every welfare state is destined to fail over time, ... in many cases as history has shown such countries fail very fast, .... and then it's a lot of work to return to the captilastic system that will bring prosperity to the masses.

    • Posted By: sickoffanatics @ 06/21/2009 3:56:59 AM

      Again, wrong. Obama is not a socialtist, he is a progressive ! Why don't you people go live in countries like Somalia ?? No laws, no government, because this is what you want, isn't it ??

      Wrong again on socialist countries. Western europe is not doing that bad compared to you ! Do the reseach before opening your ignorant mouth.

      • Posted By: bjsassy @ 06/24/2009 9:50:33 AM

        sickoffanatics. Socialism: Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

        The federal government just took over GM. Yes, President Obama is a socialist. I know that liberals prefer to call themselves "progressives." I refuse to oblige them.

    • Posted By: motorherz @ 06/21/2009 9:03:52 AM

      I think you nailed it. Let me try to get a good way to get the government much smaller, cut expenditures and the like:

      1. Reduce military spending. Not only end wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but reduce the number of air carriers, cut number of nuclear warheads, close out the bases in Japan and Europe (those guys should long be responsible for their own defence anyways), and roll back all stupid security measures to the way they were before 9/11.

      2. Stop socialist movement of givin money to people who owe a lot of money to the bank. Stop making mortgage tax-deductable.

      3. Stop socialist subsidizing of gambling activities in the market - start treating capital gains and dividends as ordinary income

      4. Stop socialist agriculture subsidies

      Implementations of these guidelines alone will save billions, will drastically reduce the size of the government and end a number of socialist practices that are currently in place in United States of America.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 06/24/2009 9:22:38 AM

    "An underpaid man is a customer reduced in purchasing power. Business depression is caused by weakened purchasing power. Purchasing power is weakened by uncertainty or insufficiency of income. The cure for business depression is through purchasing power, and the source of purchasing power is wages."
    Does Samuelson recognize who made that statement? It wasn't Karl Marx. It was Henry Ford.
    As usual Samuelson decides to blame the victim. In this case the GM auto worker.
    Actually, labor costs account for about 10% of GM's expenses. Samuelson also fails to mention the huge sacrifices that auto workers have made to save GM, sacrifices that are hardly matched by those made by the management. Samuelson also conveniently forgets to mention that labor costs in Canada are cheaper because Canada has a single payer health care system.
    And finally, Sameulson fails to mention the obscene differences between the salaries of the CEO's of GM and the assembly line workers. Or that GM executives were grossly overpaid and extremely incompetent.

    GM should have seen the writing on the wall back in the 70's. Yet GM fought tooth and nail against the efficiency standards proposed by the Carter Administration. They proceeded to produce and market gas-guzzling automobiles, including that infamous Weapon of Mass Destruction - the Hummer.
    Instead, Samuelson chooses to attack American working people. He wants to slash their salaries. He also wants to eliminate their pensions, social security and medical care, which workers actually paid for through payroll deductions. Then when the economy crashes because workers are too poor to buy anything, Samuelson blames President Obama.

    Newsweek should slash Samuelson's salary and cancel his medical benefits. Samuelson needs to learn how the rest of the world lives.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 06/24/2009 9:22:02 AM

    "An underpaid man is a customer reduced in purchasing power. Business depression is caused by weakened purchasing power. Purchasing power is weakened by uncertainty or insufficiency of income. The cure for business depression is through purchasing power, and the source of purchasing power is wages."
    Does Samuelson recognize who made that statement? It wasn't Karl Marx. It was Henry Ford.
    As usual Samuelson decides to blame the victim. In this case the GM auto worker.
    Actually, labor costs account for about 10% of GM's expenses. Samuelson also fails to mention the huge sacrifices that auto workers have made to save GM, sacrifices that are hardly matched by those made by the management. Samuelson also conveniently forgets to mention that labor costs in Canada are cheaper because Canada has a single payer health care system.
    And finally, Sameulson fails to mention the obscene differences between the salaries of the CEO's of GM and the assembly line workers. Or that GM executives were grossly overpaid and extremely incompetent.

    GM should have seen the writing on the wall back in the 70's. Yet GM fought tooth and nail against the efficiency standards proposed by the Carter Administration. They proceeded to produce and market gas-guzzling automobiles, including that infamous Weapon of Mass Destruction - the Hummer.
    Instead, Samuelson chooses to attack American working people. He wants to slash their salaries. He also wants to eliminate their pensions, social security and medical care, which workers actually paid for through payroll deductions. Then when the economy crashes because workers are too poor to buy anything, Samuelson blames President Obama.

    Newsweek should slash Samuelson's salary and cancel his medical benefits. Samuelson needs to learn how the rest of the world lives.


  • Posted By: spacemonkey086 @ 06/24/2009 12:49:48 AM

    the simple solution to ending a welfare state would be to create domestic jobs that pay decent wages. That would allow the individual to stimulate the economy using his own wages. Sadly I dont think this will happen so raising taxes is inevitable. We cannot just let elderly people go without medical treatment or some sort of living wage, it would be unethical. As unethical as the bonuses CEOs seem to be treating themselves to using our tax money. If you wold like to see a model for the future, do not look at Europe, look at China. Socialism has not failed there, not yet at least.

    • Posted By: bjsassy @ 06/24/2009 8:36:51 AM

      God help us all. While China has been the fastest growing economy in 25 years, they are still grappling with human rights issues, extreme poverty and environmental degradation. China is now the largest greenhouse emitter in the world.

  • Posted By: G. Anderson @ 06/20/2009 7:14:27 PM

    This article is nonsense. It attempts to perpetuate many right wing myths that the are held dear by the corporations that run this country. Blaming the Unions for GM???s down fall, is a huge mistake in judgment, and couldn???t be further from the truth. In fact America is in economic trouble because, its Unions aren???t strong enough. Corporations have succeeded in limiting their power by many strategies, i.e., off shoring production, encouraging immigration to this country, and expanding access to work Visas. But they forgot without adequate salaries American???s couldn???t??? buy the products that American corporations produced. The writing was on the wall for GM, when its loan business produced more of a profit than its car sales. It was indicator that American???s had become dirt poor because of corporate business strategies. If they hadn???t gone to congress, and got a pass on making their cars more efficient they might have been able to compete with foreign car manufacturing. Corporate well fare has always been many many times more than the piddling amount we spend on social Warfare programs. No more tax breaks, no more off shore tax havens, no more tax free off shore productions, no more expansion of foreign visas. It???s been my experience that America???s corporations prefer the easy way out, it???s easier to lobby congress, or cut workers pay, or re package an old product and sell it over and over again, to manipulate consumers, than produce something that people need. American capitalism is practically dead, and is being propped up by billions of tax payer dollars, the only way for it to succeed is to let it fail, and fail completely, with absolutely no more help from the tax payer.

    • Posted By: Greg the Third @ 06/24/2009 1:03:56 AM

      Wrong. GM collapsed under the weight of many things. Most prominent were it's failure to innovate, which in part can be traced back to worker's unwillingness to retool. Second was the development of leaner and meaner competition able to undercut our prices with better products even while manufacturing on our very own soil. The advent of this in the form of Japanese auto firms was merely a matter of time. The auto unions failure to concede conessions crippled GM's ability to adapt and lower prices in response. The government could only have preserved the status quo by initiating tarrifs that would have sabotaged free trade agreements. In many other industries aside from the auto industry, who companies and sectors of the economy simply packed up operation and moved them to countries with cheaper labor. But that is another story which calls the very logic of globalism into question and is not pertinent here. The unions failed to realize that things change over the decades and if they fail to adapt appropriately the very industry they depend on will fail. With regards to the welfare or entitlement state, the debt load will get so high and crippling that one will have to be abandonded and that is social security in my opinion. The most likely scenario is that benefits will be phased out by raising the retirement age and increasing pre-requisites for eligibility. Eventually every able bodied american no matter how old will be expected to work and earn a living and benefits. There will be no more robbing of Peter to pay Paul. But several generations of American will have been lied to and ultimately screwed out of a huge portion of their hard earned wages with only empty promises given in return.

  • Posted By: rho1953 @ 06/23/2009 11:19:05 PM

    We are approaching the point where taxation takes almost half of all income earned in the US. How could any sane person not define the US as a welfare state with that number? We don't resemble the brave pioneers who came to this continent just a little over two centuries ago. They would pack up their ships and leave for a free place rather than live like this.

  • Posted By: dburg @ 06/20/2009 6:55:15 PM

    I agree with Scherf that a capitalist society is the only way to bring prosperity back to America. I do on the other hand believe that there should be banking regulations in place to stop stock trading and mortgage bundling by the banking industry. I do not agree that these regulations should be implemented by the Evil Central Bank(The Fed). Obama wants an Elite and worker society. With his further investing in the Welfare system it will only continue to increase the number dependent on the Government. The Middle class will feel the squeeze more than the very wealthy. Communism has never been a political system to emulate it has been tried over and over and has failed time and time again. Obama and the other Socialists/Communists must be voted out of office!

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 06/21/2009 8:45:39 AM

      See, this is the problem - after eight years of watching wealth flow to the wealthy under Bush, and the middle class getting crushed under his policies as well, the GOP has no leg to stand on. I know many people who are concerned that the middle class will struggle under Obama's economic plans too, but the GOP has given no indication whatsoever that it offers any kind of a rational alternative.

      Somebody I know put it best recently when she (a political independent who voted for both Reagan and Clinton at various points) said "I don't understand why, after the Republicans have a disastrous President, they won't just own up to it." The world financial system has collapsed, Bush's presidency is considered by most people around the world to be a very mixed legacy at best and a disaster at worst - but you don't see any Republicans except Joe Scarborough saying "Yes, we need to own up to the corporate abuses that happened on our watch."

      You want to bitch about socialism or "wealth distribution", but $1.5B per day on foreign wars of occupation that redistributes a lot of taxes right into Halliburton and et cetera's balance sheets is fine. Massive subsidies to huge businesses that act against the public interest - polluters like Monsanto, for instace - are fine. Bush's bailouts were fine, Obama's bailouts to the same companies aren't.

      • Posted By: bjsassy @ 06/23/2009 9:01:48 PM

        Ah, Vigilance. You are suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

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    • Posted By: sickoffanatics @ 06/21/2009 3:54:07 AM

      You have it all wrong ! Obama is not a socialist, he is a progressive.

      • Posted By: Michael_Ray @ 06/21/2009 5:51:02 AM

        There is a saying, Live for today, yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never happen... I'm telling you, people are hungry, people are living in the streets, America's children... Come on up to the Rising is more than just pulling together from terrorists, it's even about pulling together from our own greed.

  • Posted By: AL01234 @ 06/23/2009 12:24:05 PM

    Of course it is a welfare state. Over in my country, there is no such thing as "unemployment benefits". Mention it and everyone will give you a puzzled look if not laugh at such a preposterous idea. As individuals, we jolly well ensure that we can survive a job loss and the attitude/understood assumption is that the world does not owe us anything. The very poor can of course apply for government help but this is enough only for bare subsistence.

  • Posted By: vstillwell @ 06/23/2009 11:25:16 AM

    Samuelson misses the point of the problems again! I'm not suprised. Our government is broken. It's been broken for a long time. Lobbyists control Washington. Their politcal contributions rule the governing process. Wall Street's problems highlight this scurge, yet little is being said or done about it. There won't be any real health care reform because of lobbying. Samuelson, if you're reading this, take a video camera to Capital Hill and spend a day highlighting the streams of lobbyists running in and out of that building. Ask them a few questions. Find out what their motives are. Then write a column about that.

  • Posted By: unionave @ 06/21/2009 6:51:32 PM

    If we had the Trillions Given to the WallStreet Banks to cover the loses they had while gambling with our retirement money we could afford many helpful programs for the American citizen . Lets face it , the American citizen's Tax money WallStreet Banks received will never do anything for the American citizen but that is not talked about as welfare . . We all pay taxes and as a whole a much higher percent than the WallStreet Banks do and yet if we want our money used to benefit the American citizen Tax payer then all kinds of connotations and innuendos are applied such as welfare . We all use the Commons including the WallStreet Banks and the other corporations that use off shore locations to dodge paying taxes but the number of companies that received our hard earned tax money is not a subject for the media so we know who the media's friends are . That money is my money and if I want to help the American citizen with it that in my view is NOT WELFARE .

  • Posted By: Michael_Ray @ 06/20/2009 8:53:45 PM

    As President Obama, often wrongfully critisized as arrogant, brick by brick, tears down the wall made of Bull Poo that has surrounded the USA for many a year now, the citizens that are suffering do not care if you call it welfare, socialist handouts or robbery... they call it food. I remember a wise young lady once told me, the fastest way to a revolution is through mankind's empty stomachs... And even though, it is a revolution gone wrong in America as well as in Iran, it's citizens will never have the courage to attack bull poo... Even though they stand tall when shooting reality head on.

  • Posted By: Alanst3 @ 06/20/2009 8:10:41 PM

    well written. GM is a great example. the state of California is rapidly becoming the next example of the welfare state literally.

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