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  • Posted By: ForeignPolicyJournal @ 07/30/2009 5:06:08 AM

    On the fallacy of point #1: http://hammond.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/23/the-case-of-the-mystery-voters-in-irans-election/.

    Point #2 is also a fallacy. Al Gore didn't win his home state when he ran for President. And Ahmadinejad speaks Azeri and has appeal with that ethnic group.

    For Point #4, see Point #3. Points # 5 and 6 require no response.

    Point # 7, the Mousavi campaign forced the I.M.'s hand by declaring himself the clear winner before the polls were even closed -- very "suspicious".

  • Posted By: wesmenno @ 06/23/2009 5:45:57 PM

    All those indicators are strangely reminiscent of Florida 2000.

    • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/24/2009 8:33:31 AM

      Only if you are drunk or on crack - do some research! The media called too early and based on poor exit polling. Get over it. It was 9 years ago.

      • Posted By: texasutdemocrat @ 07/10/2009 12:50:49 PM

        People like you are what give Republicans a bad name. You entire argument seems to be that people are whining and complaining. The beauty of living in America is that people have the right to disagree. Based on research it does seem unlikely that there would have been a situation where Gore would have won Florida but there is still a clear parallel between the refusal of the Bush government and the leadership in Florida to even acknowledge voting irregularities and the actions of the Iranian government. People like you who respond like a child to discussions about political events which impact in serious ways the lives of everyone should be kept far away from politics. Go spout your childish rhetoric on the playground and stay away from serious discussions.

  • Posted By: gbe1_a @ 06/26/2009 5:55:05 PM

    As an Iranian, I'd like to thank you. But there are two mistakes in this article:

    First, "A break with polls". It would be better if you would choose "unclear/Yes" as the response. In the last presidential election, Ahmadinejad was elected in the second round as his votes was less than 50 percent of the voters. Furthermore, when people of Iran (and probably anywhere else in the world) seek change they participate more in an election and it is really unclear why (unbelievably) 85 precent of eligible Iranians have voted (declared to vote) to Ahmadinejad to keep him in power.

    Second, "Fishy Digits". The answer surely is "Yes". According to a newly published information by the authorities, there were many ballot boxes with exactly 300, 400 and 500 votes in them, which means people have gone to these ballot boxes in groups of hunderd people!

    Let me give you another hint to the fraud in this election. A few days before the election, the authorities announced that 46 million Iranians are eligible to vote and 57 million ballot papers are published and a few other millions without serial numbers. Yet on the election day, there were hundreds of reports from all over Iran that ballot boxes ran out of ballot papers. What do you think has happened to the extra ballot papers???

    The answers of these questions may help us to find the answer of every single Iranian key question, "Where is my vote?"

  • Posted By: gbe1_a @ 06/26/2009 5:54:21 PM

    As an Iranian, I'd like to thank you. But there are two mistakes in this article:

    First, "A break with polls". It would be better if you would choose "unclear/Yes" as the response. In the last presidential election, Ahmadinejad was elected in the second round as his votes was less than 50 percent of the voters. Furthermore, when people of Iran (and probably anywhere else in the world) seek change they participate more in an election and it is really unclear why (unbelievably) 85 precent of eligible Iranians have voted (declared to vote) to Ahmadinejad to keep him in power.

    Second, "Fishy Digits". The answer surely is "Yes". According to a newly published information by the authorities, there were many ballot boxes with exactly 300, 400 and 500 votes in them, which means people have gone to these ballot boxes in groups of hunderd people!

    Let me give you another hint to the fraud in this election. A few days before the election, the authorities announced that 46 million Iranians are eligible to vote and 57 million ballot papers are published and a few other millions without serial numbers. Yet on the election day, there were hundreds of reports from all over Iran that ballot boxes ran out of ballot papers. What do you think has happened to the extra ballot papers???

    The answers of these questions may help us to find the answer of every single Iranian key question, "Where is my vote?"

  • Posted By: commonsense.... @ 06/26/2009 11:42:01 AM

    You regretably severly understate the indicators of massive voting fraud in hte 2009 Iranian preesidential election.

    Was there a break with the polls in Iran? It is difficult to measure because of the notorious unreliability of polling data in Iran (particularly that provided by IRIB). However, there is evidence that there were several breaks with the polling data. First, the Terror Free Tomorrow data (the 2-1 margin referenced by Newsweek) do NOT suggest that Ahmadinejad would garner 63% of the vote. It showed him with only 38% support, versus 27% undecided and 15% who refused to answer. Is it really credible that 100% of the undecided vote went his way? Second, the TFT poll was completed BEFORE the slate of candidates was officially approved and much of the polling was conducted before Mousavi had even applied to be a candidate. Other polls, including those published more closely to the election depart significantly from the final vote tally.

    Were there fishy digits? You bet there were. The goverment of Iran has ADMITTED that over 50 cities reported greater than 100% participation in the election. That represents about one sixth of the 300 or so jurisdictions for which Iran tallied the votes. Moreover, there was surprisingly little difference in the margin of victory for Ahmadinejad based on geographic location. Provinces that have voted overwhelmingly agains Ahmadinejad in the past overwhelmingly voted for him this time around, giving him roughly the same level of support in nearly every province, a stark contrast to previous voting patterns in the country.

    The biggest question is whether the vote was counted at all, or whether the same (or similar) organization that provided the IRIB pre-election polling data merely provided computerized data in a complete and total sham.

    The Iranian people deserve better!

  • Posted By: BearTheCat @ 06/25/2009 1:26:40 PM

    Who would have thought a fine upstanding country like Iran would fix an election?

  • Posted By: jayarr @ 06/25/2009 9:54:14 AM

    Yes, where there is smoke there is fire=Democracy is a threat to theocracy. One reflects the human need for freedom and the other a determination of entrenced traditionalists who will protect their priviledged class in the name of God. Ironically, God, being just, will support the will of His children and liberty will prevail.

  • Posted By: jayarr @ 06/25/2009 9:49:01 AM

    Where there is smoke there is fire---Democracy is a threat to Theocracy-One is fueled by the human need for freedom and the other by religious traditionalists determined to reatain entrenched power in the name of God

  • Posted By: wiccanwolfess @ 06/23/2009 3:51:00 PM

    Interesting how a number of these issues also apply to our own 2000 election -- 'hanging chads' worked very well for him; and it didn't hurt that they occurred in the state where his brother was Governor.

    • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/24/2009 1:12:47 PM

      Perhaps wiccanwolfess didn't light enough candles or say the right chant during the election - I think it is her fault! The witch did it!

    • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/23/2009 4:13:44 PM

      Get over it.

      • Posted By: Palin who? @ 06/23/2009 6:04:58 PM

        As soon as Rove and the other @$$holes behind the scenes admit it was rigged, we'll get over it.

        • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/24/2009 8:15:31 AM

          Whine whine whine... that's all you people do. You lost. Sorry - it's over. Let's not bring up Acorn and voting irregularities in 2008 or voter intimidation by black panthers... Move on, you'll live longer if you can just release your built up frustration. Try reading something besides Huffington once in a while. Popular vote doesn't determine the election. You lost, your sore losers, and even when you get a victory you have to blame everything on the past. Just like an annoying child who storms off to the bedroom crying and pouting because they lost a game, or whiney atheletes like TO who blame everyone else and fuss over a bad call. You lost, we all know it, its over, move on. The end. LOOOOOSSSERRRRS!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: jlgab @ 06/23/2009 6:13:13 PM

    Ask Bush if the election was tainted - he would know. My heart goes out to the Iranians however, we didn't take to the streets when Bush cheated in '00 and we didn't take to the street when Bush didn't win the popular vote in '04. Maybe we should have taken to the streets, maybe we should learn something from the Iranians, maybe then the idiot Bush wouldn't have been re-elected after starting a war based off lies.

    • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/24/2009 1:09:32 PM

      If it would mean we wouldn't have to listen to whiney people like you then I say go for it! Take to the streets! Be gone! I'll watch the news for your solo walk down the street...

  • Posted By: nsprdwmn @ 06/24/2009 12:39:21 PM

    The people of this world have little say with all of this political redrick. It looks like Iran is fed up as well. There are true solutions to problems but the government seeks power on both sides and uses intimidation to proceed. We seek world peace and control of the global problems of hunger disease and global warming and no one hears the people globally. The are to busy worried about the price of gas and greed and of course the egotistical parade of who is truly in power.

    • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/24/2009 12:59:01 PM

      Redrick? I know its difficult to comprehend, but there is something out there called a dictionary. It actually lists words and their definitions. You can use this to learn to spell. And I know, this isn't an English class but come on - you aren't even close to spelling it - not even phonetically (that means spelling it like it sounds just in case) - rhetoric.

  • Posted By: j.n @ 06/23/2009 6:05:04 PM

    Hey Newsweek,where were those comparisons in 2000 and 2004?.

    • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/24/2009 8:32:47 AM

      Newsweek knows that by most post-election accounts and studies that Bush won the election, and only if you give Gore the most generous of guidelines would he have won Florida (do some research, the major newspapers spent over half a million studying it and found that out). They know that the big problem was that the media itself was to blame for using exit polls in largely democratic areas and declaring a winner early - only to retract it and give it to Bush, and then take it away from both. Perhaps you liberals out there should read a little more outside of your comfort zone to get to the truth. You lost, its over with DEAL WITH IT!

  • Posted By: jlgab @ 06/23/2009 6:14:31 PM

    Ask Bush if the election was tainted - he would know. My heart goes out to the Iranians however, we didn't take to the streets when Bush cheated in '00 and we didn't take to the street when Bush didn't win the popular vote in '04. Maybe we should have taken to the streets, maybe we should learn something from the Iranians, maybe then the idiot Bush wouldn't have been re-elected after starting a war based off lies.

    • Posted By: ctom @ 06/23/2009 8:57:45 PM

      • Posted By: wvrealitychecker @ 06/24/2009 8:30:00 AM

        Maybe you should learn about our electoral system. Popular vote doesn't win elections - if you don't like the system then change it. Otherwise the rules are there to live by, good or bad.

  • Posted By: ctom @ 06/23/2009 8:59:22 PM

    Let's do apply Newsweek's indicators to 2000 and 2004: Impossible Tallies - None reported, in fact voter turnout in 2000 was 51.3% and 2004 was 55.3% - shameful turnouts that would not be considered a quorum by most organizations. Logical Anomalies - None Reported, Dems did well in the cities and liberal states and GOP did well in rural and conservative states. A Break with Polls - No major differences with polls leading up to the elections - exit polling was not consistent. Reversals of Fortune - No big swings, country is still very evenly divided. Fishy Digits - Not enough info - but none reported. Late Comebacks - Again no data to support - the results were extremely close the whole time and even the Electoral College tallies (which should greatly amplify individual precinct tallies) were very close all along - Also the most contested states were in the east, which closed first. Hasty Verdicts - The only quick decisions were by the media - no official results were released for a looooong time.
    So apparently, by j.n's and jlgab's desired measures the 2000 and 2004 elections were perfect examples of democracy - with the glaring exception of the voter turnout, which should embarrass the supposed leading nation of the free world.

  • Posted By: OldGazer @ 06/23/2009 4:24:10 PM

    Of course the vote was rigged. How else does one explain the fact that millions of paper ballots were counted in just a few hours? We in the US can't do that with electronic ballots and banks of computers.....

    • Posted By: j.n @ 06/23/2009 5:59:47 PM

      That could be because a lot of us here in the USA are unable to count,or operate the computer,

  • Posted By: Christian 4ever @ 06/23/2009 5:05:24 PM

    OldGazer is correct in that the US can't (presumably) rig ballots due to the use of electronic ballots and banks of computers, but votes can and have been rigged by other methods. Don't make the US so special and immune to fraud.

  • Posted By: Voter #x @ 06/23/2009 4:20:19 PM

    Can we now apply many of these same questions to Minnesota (e.g. many districts had more votes than voters)?

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