The Woman in the Picture

Images of the killing of Iranian protester Neda Agha-Soltan are already iconic around the globe. But do they help us understand the conflict?

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  • Posted By: wmrcrds @ 06/24/2009 6:01:42 PM

    What the protests are about is simple, FREEDOM. The people have bee repressed for the last 20 years, the youth did not ask for Khameni, they do not want him, they want freedom, they are and intelligenet people with the bravery many of us our lacking. I wish I had the courage to protest when George Bush was elected more than once.

    This is a disgrace and a travesty of justice. We treat our animals better than this.

    Following is a tribute to Neda by A world renowned Iranian American singer known as Siavash, Moving song with touching and rare photos and images of Neda Agha Soltan, telling the story of her life and brutal death by a basij militia sniper with a shot through the heart, in Iran, Tehran, an innocent bystander in peaceful protests. This includes a Picture of Neda's suspected killer. And in the end, a call for hope in the face of tragedy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf6Mua0wiI

    • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 07/31/2009 10:58:48 AM

      The protests, I've heard, are about not liking the results of the election. I'm not sure if freedom in general, in all areas of life, is part of it or not.

  • Posted By: gloriamundi @ 06/24/2009 12:46:59 PM

    Jennie - I recommend that you watch the video. Its power lies in her expression, not in the gore. As she lies there with blood pooling under her, she turns a penetrating gaze directly at the camera. We see a beautiful young woman, in the prime of life, her arms raised in a position of surrender. Her expression is guileless which makes it all the more powerful, and her intelligent, piercing eyes challenge the viewer with an air of philosophical questioning. One feels compelled to answer her, but a second later blood begins to pour from her nose and mouth and the people swarm around her to help her. She leaves her viewers hanging in the midst of an eternally unanswered question. That's where the power lies.

    I imagine there will always be a few creepy people reading pornographic content into images like this, but I don't think that should be a reason to censor such images. The Neda video has a particular quality of calling the viewer to task with the poignancy or her gaze. It made me curious about the context of her death and caused me to do further research to try to understand the situation in Iran. And I believe that it has affected other people that way, and even more profoundly. She wasn't a revolutionary - she was a philosophy student hoping to work as a tour guide - the type of young woman who's family would be proud of her. She was a regular person with good prospects, simply trying to attend a demonstration upholding people's fundamental rights. Her last gaze will forever associate her smart yet innocent young face with questions like "Shouldn't people have a right to express themselves?" It highlights the issue in Iran, but it goes way beyond it to the broader global context of fundamental individual rights.

    • Posted By: wmcneil216 @ 06/24/2009 1:24:48 PM

      I couldn't have said it better.

      • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 10:11:24 AM

        Funny, all I saw was women laying in a pool of blood.

        • Posted By: gloriamundi @ 06/26/2009 12:14:01 AM

          Hey adam - I don't think it's funny at all that that's all you saw. I think it's kind of pathetic, especially since you made some decent comments elsewhere. Are you bragging about being dense, trying to nullify your other postings, or just trying to discredit me?

          • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 07/31/2009 10:32:32 AM

            I meant "funny" as in strange, not humourous. I'm not sure what's so "dense" about saying that I didn't see any of what you saw. I found your comment a little disturbing because it seems to glorify the video by describing it like it were a beautifully staged scene in a masterpiece of cinema. This video is not inspirational or beautiful as many comments seem to imply. It is horrifying and grotesque. That's not to say there's anything wrong with watching it, but there's nothing wrong with not watching it either, just so long as you know what happened. I remember once seeing a video of what goes on in some of America's slaughterhouses called "Meet your Meat". Now that I know the info contained therin, I have no need to see it again and consequently have not done so.

      • Posted By: fpgonzo @ 06/24/2009 2:10:02 PM

        This is the most succinct and articulate comment justifying the viewing of the video that is on this thread. My thoughts exactly, though I doubt I could have expressed my thoughts in such a profound and compelling manner. Thank you, wmcniel216, for your comment.

        • Posted By: fpgonzo @ 06/24/2009 2:13:29 PM

          I meant to say, thank you gloriamundi...as well as you, wmc...

          • Posted By: gloriamundi @ 06/26/2009 12:08:27 AM

            wmcneil216 & fpgonzo - Thanks mucho for the positive feedback. I feel like, if others saw it the way I did, and at least y'all did, then her death wasn't in vain.

  • Posted By: Rob Strongcoffee @ 06/26/2009 9:19:54 AM

    Watching is not passive, NOT watching is passive. Moreover, someone risking death so you someone can see the results of tyranny is not a passive act. And as such viewing this video is indeed a political act because it validates the efforts of those who enabled others to see it. The author should have a stiff drink, gather her courage, and watch the video. Truly, some things must be experienced to be understood in all their profundity.

    • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 07/31/2009 10:21:15 AM

      I don't really see how watching this video accomplishes anything.

  • Posted By: myisropen @ 06/27/2009 12:07:25 PM

    I think it IS important that we see. We are sheltered here, Americans. We are comfortable and complacent. What did WE do when an election was stolen? Nothing. What would have happened if WE had protested? In truth, we don't know. We think the U.S.A above this sort of barbarism, but our govt. lies and manipulates us all the time. How far would they go if some prime agenda was threatened by the people? I hesitate to believe it would come to violence, but we see police brutatlity occur more and more often. When a people ignore their govt., ignore mandates to return to their homes, to quit protesting in the streets, have they not broken the rules? Are they not "wrong?"Those empowered with a weapon believe themselves empowered with the right to supress what they deem "wrong." And then where are we? Witnessing Neda's death was horrific, gruesome, graphic, but she deserves our witness, and we need the jolt. Remember the govt. decision to ban images of soldiers returning home in caskets? It's time Americans face the reality of what happens outside our borders. There may come a day when it's happening INside our borders.

    • Posted By: Benjamax @ 07/11/2009 12:27:53 PM

      Doesn't anybody remember the Kent State murders? Peaceful, unarmed protsters gunned down by government troops. What about the 1968 Deocratic National Convetion in Chicago? It can't happen here. Yeah,Right!

      • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 07/31/2009 10:05:11 AM

        According to wikipedia, the students threw rocks at the gaurds first. If that's true, then the protesting students were not unarmed, and the gaurds may have just been acting in self-defense.

  • Posted By: Bidar Show @ 07/17/2009 11:39:34 AM

    Nada Agha Soltani now is the symbol of resistance for FREEDOM around the world not just in Iran. History will remember her for ever.

  • Posted By: Bidar Show @ 07/17/2009 11:38:26 AM

    Nada Agha Soltani now is the symbol of resistance for FREEDOM around the world not just in Iran. History will remember her for ever.

  • Posted By: cbernard99 @ 07/01/2009 3:07:53 PM

    I believe that emotion is an essential part of any moral reaction; only if one feels fully and deeply the horror of a moral tragedy can one begin to comprehend it. This is true as much about watching the terrible, almost unbearable death of Neda Agha-Soltan as it is for viewing images of the death camps and other atrocities. It may not only be acceptable to watch the video in question; it may even, on some level, be a moral obligation.

  • Posted By: Wilde @ 06/30/2009 9:05:54 AM

    Neda Salehi Agha-Soltan (1982 ??? June 20, 2009) is an Iranian woman whose fatal shooting on 20 June 2009 provided a rallying cry for Iranians protesting that country???s 2009 presidential elections.

    Agha-Soltan was the middle child and only daughter of a middle-class family of three children, whose family resided in a fourth floor apartment on Meshkini Street in the the Tehranpars neighborhood of Tehran. Her father is a civil servant and her mother is a homemaker. She graduated from Islamic Azad University, where she had studied the traditions and values of Islam as well as the philosophies of the world.

    Agha-Soltan was an aspiring, underground Persian popular singer and musician, who was studying her craft through private voice and music lessons. She had studied the violin and had an as-yet-undelivered piano on order at the time of her death.She worked for her family???s travel agency. Agha-Soltan loved travel, having saved up enough to have gone on package tours with her friends to Dubai, Thailand and Turkey. She had studied Turkish, in hopes that it someday would aid her as a guide for Iranians on foreign tours there. It was in Turkey.

    Those who knew her maintain that Agha-Soltan had not previously been very political ??? she had not supported any particular candidate in the 2009 Iran elections ??? but that anger over the election results prompted her to join the protest.Her voice and music teacher, Hamid Panahi, who was accompanying Agha-Soltan during the protest and can be seen on the video trying to comfort the dying woman, told the media: ???She couldn???t stand the injustice of it.??? Panahi went on to state: ???All she wanted was the proper vote of the people to be counted. She wanted to show with her presence that, ???I???m here, I also voted, and my vote wasn???t counted???. It was a very peaceful act of protest, without any violence.???

    friend Neda says (Neda happy was a girl who wanted freedom for all), Neda wrote for friend that day,Quote from Orod Bozorg ???Hard days to reach greatness is.???

    On June 20, 2009, at around 6:30 pm, Agha-Soltan was shot and killed allegedly by security forces during a protest against the outcome of the 2009 Iranian presidential election.

  • Posted By: misterdoctorprofessor @ 06/28/2009 3:45:45 PM

    we need to seel......, we need to see our dead coming home.....we need to see the travesties in the slaughterhouses that "feed" our taste for flesh killed by an anonymous hand.......this is OUR darkside, and we need to stare it in the face, to own it, and know it as ours before we can rise above it and begin to heal the human race......

  • Posted By: myisropen @ 06/27/2009 12:05:17 PM

    I think it IS important that we see. We are sheltered here, Americans. We are comfortable and complacent. What did WE do when an election was stolen? Nothing. What would have happened if WE had protested? In truth, we don't know. We think the U.S.A above this sort of barbarism, but our govt. lies and manipulates us all the time. How far would they go if some prime agenda was threatened by the people? I hesitate to believe it would come to violence, but we see police brutatlity occur more and more often. When a people ignore their govt., ignore mandates to return to their homes, to quit protesting in the streets, have they not broken the rules? Are they not "wrong?"Those empowered with a weapon believe themselves empowered with the right to supress what they deem "wrong." And then where are we? Witnessing Neda's death was horrific, gruesome, graphic, but she deserves our witness, and we need the jolt. Remember the govt. decision to ban images of soldiers returning home in caskets? It's time Americans face the reality of what happens outside our borders. There may come a day when it's happening INside our borders.

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 06/27/2009 11:19:50 AM

    She was beautiful, wat a crime...

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 06/27/2009 11:18:51 AM

    Old bearded men with apocalyptic visions will lead this country [IRAN] down the road to ruin. How long until the circle talk is ignored and something is done to eradicate thier nuke program? Israel must be feeling vindicated. Tyrannical regimes only understand VIOLENCE, and iam sure its coming.

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 06/27/2009 11:12:36 AM

    EMBRACE THE HORROR

  • Posted By: mts881 @ 06/27/2009 12:27:08 AM

    Off course we shouldn't watch it. We should let some "educated" reporters tell us what to think after they haven't watched it. It's OK to go to the movies and watch the latest tripe of gratuitous violence, but when it's really happening, it might cloud our simple minds and question how many lives our foreign policy has cost. But wait, maybe another intelligent reporter can tell us how to fix that, too.

  • Posted By: mas8baller @ 06/26/2009 3:28:28 PM

    The only thing you see is her standing around following the crowd then on the ground bleeding and her friends & marchers start to panic that's all. Its tragic of course but hardly graphic. I am be cold & evil but sadly its a common reality that most of europe & the west are not use to which makes it unreal, unbelieveable, and yet torn by not wanting to see but being draw to see even knowing what will happen. We are to protected & must get back to reality & stop burying our heads in the sand & acting like evil doesnt exist. Take off the blinders & stop being nieve. This mentality of isolation that make wars & violences seem so far away & someone else's problem must change. Its also why we react so confused when it does & standing by letting it happen to someone else solves nothing & certainly doesnt prevent it from happening to us some point down the road. Which is why this administration & the followers of there's want to try to bury their heads again until the next terrorist attack happens. Freedom isn't free even in America let alone the rest of the world. In war torn places like Isreal or Bosnia death even violent deaths like being shot or beheaded are nothing knew & people there seem cold but are really just harded to reality unlike the rest of Europe or the west. Having not had to live in fear or deal with death often let alone violence in the streets. We are to nieve. Everyone should be forces to watch it. Its reality. Stop burying your heads.

  • Posted By: jps-mm @ 06/26/2009 12:46:29 PM

    Merkel missachtet Menschenrechte

    The Merkle is seriously abusing the trust that the voters put in her four years ago in 2005. Moreover, the Merkle - in office for four years - supports the perpetrators in order to ensure that these criminals can continue to violate human rights. It's even worse: The human right situation has drastically deteriorated since the Merkle came into power.

    The UN-commission in charge of the protection of human rights caracterized the Merkle's report about the human right situation in Germany as "insufficient". In an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, however, German journalists don't dare to broach the difficult human right situation in Germany and to mention the perpetrators of most severe human right violations. It is not astonishing that the Merkle who is personally responsible for the drastic degradation of the human right situation in Germany is not criticized at all for the further deterioration.

    It's time to demand the Merkle to stop human right violations immediately.

  • Posted By: BeInformed09 @ 06/24/2009 2:15:06 PM

    The author is wrong in my opinion. I have seen the video, and it is tragic. The argument that watching horrific scenes in horrific circumstances does not affect cognitive understanding of the core issues leading up to those events is preposterous. Is it required? No, but to say that it does not contribute to the general awareness is naive.

    The people at the heart of the struggle are galvanized by the raw emotional and intellectual symbolism that these events represent. They codify what people are feeling and help further the common idea of the atrocities happening.

    The further away from the events you are, the stronger the representation has to be to elicit any type of understanding. People on the ground in Iran are seeing things like this on a regular basis. I seriously doubt any of them are having a problem ???understanding the issues??? because of it.

    • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 10:06:05 AM

      Jennie Yabroff (the author of this article) obviously already knows that Neda was shot by the Iranian government and thus already knows that the Iranian government murders its own people just for publically expressing dissent. Watching the video would only tell Yabroff something she already knows.

      • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 6:33:25 PM

        Sorry, I put that comment in the wrong place by mistake.

  • Posted By: sciureus @ 06/24/2009 3:15:59 PM

    "If we want to make sense of our past, and understand our present, we have to do more than just watch." I would argue it is helpful to *at least* watch, as you interestingly concede you had not as you wrote this. If there exists a perverse public fascination with the macabre for its own sake, the media have long been culpable in propagating it. Remember Don Henley's song "Dirty Laundry?"

    "We got the bubble-headed bleach-blonde who comes on at five
    She can tell you ???bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
    Its interesting when people die-
    Give us dirty laundry

    Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?
    You know, the boys in the newsroom got a running bet
    Get the widow on the set!
    We need dirty laundry"

    The 24/7 news cycle on multiple outlets has long been dominated by human barbarity and tragedy as if that were all that is newsworthy. The video depicts reality -- it is not a snuff film. It enhances context. It is unsettling and absolutely ought to be, and everyone should watch and be unsettled, lest Neda Agha Soltan be a transient abstraction lost in our short-term memory to the next lurid story. Consider the journalist classifieds in Rainbow Lollipop Land, or next time watch a video before musing about its significance. It will make you are informed, not a highway crash gawker.

    • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 9:59:08 AM

      I don't understand how any of that will help. I think it would just mean less jobs and products for the Iranian people. But perhaps I've misunderstood what you're proposing.

      • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 6:32:23 PM

        Sorry, I put that comment in the wrong place by mistake.

      • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 6:25:31 PM

        Sorry, I put that comment in the wrong place by mistake.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 06/24/2009 3:19:59 PM

    I understand it enough to know that Neda is yet another victim of the meat-grinder atrocities now taking place in Iran.

    CNN has just reported that a ''massacre'' has taken place in front of Irans Parliament. By the cell-phone pictures and amateur films coming out ,this sounds about right [YOUTUBE for more on this].
    Obama is caught in a vice. His overtures to the Mullahs back in May are now viewed as truckling to tyrants. On the other hand, he must heighten the rhetoric in order to isolate the GOP, which is four-square on the side of the protesters. Further, his prearranged questions with lefty WH press corps reporters regarding this crisis were stupid and unneccesary,only creating suspicion among the MSMs critics including MSNBCs Todd and ABCs Tapper who will be spending much more time holding Obamas feet to the fire as the chaos continues to get out of hand. ''What to do about it''?

    Try this.

    WTF is an American company, General Electric, doing conducting business with the Mullahs, and why hasen't Congress done more to conduct hearings on the actions of this and other American corporations who are driving through loopholes in the 1997 trade embargo with Iran in order to make more money. Perhaps we cannot do ''much'' on a Tehran street, but we can damned sure stop this crap in its tracks by demanding full and complete investigations into how Iranian money is laundered in the US. Where it goes, and to what Euro fronts. What American companies are doing business, and for what purpose and gain.

    Pols getting their hands too greased by their lobbyists? Expose them for the rats that they are and throw them out in the next election. [start with Boxer of California, a dyed -in-wool bitch who has the temerity to openly insult our serving soldiers in the field], and go from there. Ask Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Joe Scarborough, Brian Williams, or Andrea Mitchell, why their GE bosses are handing them paychecks with the blood of innocent Iranians dripping from these.[and ask why NEWSWEAK chair-warmers on all of their shows are not asking such questions themselves]. CONOCO-PHILLIPS,HALLIBURTON, and 14 other FORTUNE 500 companies that include investments by state pension funds are also wrapped up in this garbage.

    Oh yes. We can do much more than simply ''pray''.

    • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 6:30:06 PM

      I don't understand how any of that will help. I think it would just mean less jobs and products for the Iranian people. But perhaps I've misunderstood what you're proposing.

  • Posted By: Alpinefir @ 06/24/2009 2:20:14 PM

    You should be ashamed of yourself. All the words you write are an excuse for not facing up to what is really going on in Iran.
    The young woman in the video along with thousands of other women in Iran are willing to risk death for the right to be free to express themselves. Take a good look at the video it will help you understand the conflict more than all your words.

    • Posted By: adam_t_davis @ 06/25/2009 6:24:07 PM

      Jennie Yabroff (the author of this article) obviously already knows that Neda was shot by the Iranian government and thus already knows that the Iranian government murders its own people just for publically expressing dissent. Watching the video would only tell Yabroff something she already knows.

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