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  • Posted By: PrimeSoup @ 07/02/2009 9:39:40 PM

    levypa wrote:

    "The Civil Rights Acts and, in particular Title VII, are our attempt to redress past wrongs visited upon minorities by the majority. In htis regard, we've come a long way. We may yet have a long way to go."

    Who is "we?" I've never owned a slave. I've never supported a Jim Crow law. I've done nothing to subjugate a minority population, and neither has anyone I know.

    I've also never *met* a slave, and those who benefit from the Civil Rights Act today often have never themselves lived in a town with "separate but equal" services.

    This creates the same situation that southern US caucasians experienced before the civil war: After generations of privilege at the expense of another group, those privileges are expected, and seen to be an entitlement rather than just an advantage.

    How do race-conscious quotas undo the long-gone past of slavery? The fact that I suspect everyone who reads that question will know that it is rhetorical underlines the problem it addresses: Nothing changes history. Racism now will never undo racism of the past. Somewhere along the line, nobody thought to mention the old addage, "Two wrongs don't make a right."

    Caucasians today deserve better than affirmative action just as much as ethnic africans deserved better than Jim Crow fifty years ago. Numbers do not justify a hypocrisy in principles.

    "With experience as my guide, I doubt our Congress is up to the task of social tinkering in this nuanced area."

    Why wouldn't they? Isn't "social tinkering" exactly what the provision against "disparate impact" in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act attempts to accomplish?

  • Posted By: PrimeSoup @ 07/02/2009 9:16:52 PM

    Why should "coloreds" (to paraphrase *your* terminology), Jill from Florida?

    Isn't the point of watching the news to actually watch the *news* and not just see a racial token on your TV set? That is, essentially, what you are advocating.

  • Posted By: PrimeSoup @ 07/02/2009 9:07:34 PM

    james.free wrote:

    "There is a cost to perpetuating this myth, however. We will continue to be confronted with race-baiters who insist that there is no explanation for the disparity in outcomes that occurs between races or genders. We will miss out on opportunities to take advantage of our genetic differences. For example, we've long seen advertisements for cholesterol medications include disclaimers that black women are more susceptible to heart disease. This is a rare acknowledgment of a race/gender based inferiority that we tolerate because the knowledge saves lives."

    The example you give is an example of a medical *difference* associated with race, yes, but that does not necessarily make it a medical "inferiority." To use an example of my own, consider sickle-cell anemia. This is a potentially deadly blood disorder that results in mis-shapened red blood cells that, because of their deformity, easily clump together in the individual's vascular system and form clots. The condition is caused by a genetic trait that is recessive to the trait that results in normally-shaped red blood cells. By your logic, this genetic condition represents a race-based "inferiority," as the trait that causes sickle-cell anemai is found most often in those of ethnically african descent, particularly if that african descent traces back to the western edge of the continent. There is a reason why this "inferiority" became so prevalent there in the first place, however: Many parts of western Africa have areas that are rife with malaria, and, ironically, the same trait that is associated with sickle-cell anemia is also associated with an increased resistance to the malaria strains of the area. Over the eons, sheer natural selection has favored *carriers* of the sickle-cell anemia trait, as they obtain some level of protection from malaria from the recessive allele while the dominant allele keeps the phenotype of sickle-cell anemia from being expressed. Because of this, sickle-cell anemia continues to appear more often in those who are ethnically african.

    "It all boils down to the classic argument about government protecting people from themselves. It's no different than the fear people have of someday using DNA tests to determine whether a person is intelligent enough for a job or an academic program."

    Either you have never seen "GATTACA," or you missed the moral of the story: The proper test to see if someone is competent for a job or academic program is to actually see what he can do, and you'll never find that in a molecule. One's DNA does not reduce *anything* to predestination. All that a DNA test can tell you is a bell curve of possibilities on the form that the body it builds will take. *Where* on that bell curve the individual in question eventually falls is entirely dependent on the choices he makes in his life *after* he is born.

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