Minnesota politics have always been, in this generation, an entertaining circus. It's one of the things that makes me miss living there. The net result has been interesting newscasts good for a political junkie like myself, but realistically, the state hasn't produced a politician worth giving serious consideration to since Eugene McCatthy. Minnesota is now represented in the US Senate, the worlds' greatest deliberative body, by Amy and Al, two hard left individuals who prize idealogy over genuine intellect. Living proof that people get the government they deserve.
The Mind of Al Franken
Minnesota's new senator is no clown.
Jul 1, 2009
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Posted By: wgliberty @ 07/05/2009 10:47:09 AM
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Posted By: Apolitical @ 07/02/2009 1:28:28 AM
Franken aced his math! He must have an IQ higher than all the GOP and the neo-cons put together. Let's see. Bush was an unremarkable student. McCain was 5th to the last among the graduating class in West Point. Palin had to go through 6 colleges to finish her degree. Limpbaugh failed in every subject he took in college...
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 9:08:15 AM
Apolitical, Wow. So running for president or being successful requires being in the top of one's class? Bush attended Yale and graduated from Harvard, flew fighters in the Guard, became a governor and then two term President. McCain graduated from the Naval Academy, became a fighter pilot, then a long term Senator. Sarah Palin did not "need to go" to six colleges to graduate. For a variety of reasons, she attended four:
Hawaii Pacific College
North Idaho Community College
University of Idaho
Matnuska Sustina Community College
Then she returned to the University of Idaho where she graduated.
Palin then became one of the most popular governors in American history.
Limbaugh dropped out of college after two semesters because he was more interested in pursuing a career in radio. He is the most successful radio host in history reaching millions of viewers each week and has a contract worth about 400 million dollars.
These people all have major accomplishments and have made astounding contributions in their lives. Your boy Al Franken? A so-called comedian on SNL who was good at math, and barely squeaked by to win a seat by a few votes a contested election. Hardly a "major accomplishment", and he's yet to contribute a thing.
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Posted By: Apolitical @ 07/02/2009 2:05:27 PM
Quid - Bush attended Yale as a legacy student. Do you know what that means? He was admitted for his Dad giving some huge donations as an alumni. And how was Bush successful. He got us into the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. Palin - Even his own party finds her "un-curious" a.k.a. politically correct word for dumb. Ditto with Limpbaugh and his equally low-IQ listeners.
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 2:48:55 PM
Bush was elected twice to the Presidency of the United States. Do you know what that means?
As for getting us into the economical mess we're in, he actually tried to stop this from happening by way of blocked legislation by crooked Chris Dood & Barney Frank to curb ludicrous lending practices. Do your history before posting.
Palin was elected as Governor of Alaska and has been one of the most popular governors in our history. Do you know what means?
You hate these people for their success, and try as you may, you cannot minimize or erase their accomplishments. And that's what gets your goat.
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Posted By: Apolitical @ 07/03/2009 5:22:44 PM
Bush elected twice? I seem to recall Gore was voted by majority of the Americans and Bush only won because of the count in Florida. In a state run by his brother Jeb and whose election is managed by a cuckoo GOP partisan Katherine Harris. And Palin? She's a governor in a state where our city's dog catcher has more constituents. But beside that, you can just check the inevitable correlation. You put dumb in office and what did the country get? Economic, political, and moral crisis plus 4,341 young Americans dead for an unnecessary war in Iraq when the people we are after is in Afghanistan.
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/04/2009 8:51:04 PM
The reason Gore didn't win is that he wasn't able to disenfranchise the military vote as he was desperately trying to do before the election was over. That and the "pregnant chad" nonsense.
As for economic mess? Take the time to do a little research before you post... this is a matter of record:
http://www.thehispanicconservative.com/articles/2-the-fanny-mae-and-freddie-mac-debacle.html
Next time, please bring more than your liberal, hate filled opinion to NW blogs.
As for your opinion on Iraq, talk with your new found liberal democrat ally, Colin Powell.
"My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.... "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. Even the low end of 100 tons of agent would enable Saddam Hussein to cause mass casualties across more than 100 square miles of territory, an area nearly five times the size of Manhattan."
--Secretary of State Colin Powell's presentation to the UN Security Council, February 5, 2003
Powell made that statement about month before the invasion.Liberal hindsight doesn't come close to 20/20.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 3:20:38 PM
"Bush was elected twice to the Presidency of the United States. Do you know what that means? As for getting us into the economical mess we're in, he actually tried to stop this by happening by way of blocked legislation by Barney Frank to curb ludicrous lending practices. Do your history before posting.
Palin was elected as Governor of Alaska and has been one of the most popular governors in our history. Do you know what means?
You hate these people for their success, and try as you may, you cannot minimize or erase their accomplishments. And that's what gets your goat."
bush was "voted" president twice. true. its also true that the state that was the deciding factor in his last election was florida. guess who else is in the florida political system? good ole Jeb Bush. "something is wrong with the voting machines" the votes werent even finished being counted before bush declared victory. there is trace evidence that that election was stolen...
if bush can get to be president, just about anyone can be president. i dont know which is more terrifying.
where is bush now? ahh yes, hes rated as in the top 2 worst presidents in history by not only the electorate, but by many historians and economists.
so, how far is the GOPs d!ck down your throat?
palin was elected as governor of alaska. true. population: about 680,000. wow. lots of people to impress there, and i wonder how many of them have regular access to internet and television.... lots of choices for candidates too.... i give the Governator more merit than her, at least the population of california is around 38 million....
not very impressive that palin, not one bit.
try as you may, you cannot over-exaggerate or embellish these peoples accomplishments or success.
if your fine with supporting mediocrity in our national representatives, thats fine, jus admit it.
personally, and i think anyone can agree, we SHOULD be having only the best, only the smartest, only the over achievers at the helm of america. not the guy that got into a top notch school because daddy threw some money and clout at them....then proceeded to skid by, dodge a draft ect.... we should not be wishing and hoping for the guy that graduated at the bottom of his class at west point to be the leader of the free world, we should not be hping and wishing for a woman that took 6-7 years of schooling with nothing to show but plane tickets and a degree in journalism. we shouldnt be listening to the radio host addressin topics of national debate and importance that dropped out of college because he just couldnt hack it. but thats my opinion. you want america to be great? then you need great leaders and thinkers leading the way. period.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 3:59:50 PM
People are free here to get there scholstically any way they want. I personally did not demand that Obama be head of the Harvard Law Review as a requirement for presidency.
Look, you hate conservatives and see anything they have accomplished as worthless or "stolen", which of course is not accurate. Stop the minimizing and just come out and say you hate them! You'll have more credibility with that rather than this denial of any accomplishments they've had.
I just saw where you said a win is a win, even by one vote, but you claim Bush stole the election? Are you actually going to lower yourself to that level of nonsense? Stolen election? Give me a break.-
Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 4:55:40 PM
your right, people can get any kind of education they want, where ever they want. but when it comes to the leader of the united states, or any representative of this country, they should be held to the highest standards possible, and that includes they're level of education, where that education came from, and for what purpose that education was sought after. it shows character that someone can attend, excel at, and finish school with extra achievments to boot. something your choices to highlight have all lacked. thats my point. but you missed it some where in between praising a few mediocre politicians....
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 5:33:31 PM
Let me see, you shove aside major accomplishments by people who have already achieved them as "mediocre politicians", but you praise someone like Franken because he was good at math and he could write comedy sketches.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/03/2009 10:24:19 AM
i dont remember saying "franken is great, the best senator minnesota has ever seen, an american hero, a genious" did i? maybe your confusing my devils advocate speak with your own praise of your favorite politicians. i never once praised him. i stated he has accomplished things in his life, counter to what your opinion is. but you keep coming back with high praises of people that have kind of skated by in life. you dont see my position in the least? i stated several times i dont like franken, what are you not understanding about that? im not saying your personal picks havent accomplished anything, they have accomplished many things, but did they excel and go above and beyond? the only one i will give credit to is McCain out of everyone you listed. hes the only proven achiever in the bunch. a seasoned politician, i respect his service to our country...
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 4:49:13 PM
i dont hate conservatives, most of my family is very much to the right, and i debate and find middle ground with them constantly. you on the other hand, hate libs/dems. i voted for mccain before he changed his entire personality and became everything but a maverick. see? i find the best of both worlds, or attempt to. your list of people with "accomplishments" just didnt hit my buttons. because most dont have much to go, "wow, this person is a luminary worthy of praise. this person is a shining light in the political realm. this person affected real change and did loads of good for people/the environment ect...." or "this person has seen so much hardship, rose above it all, became more than anyone thought they would ever be, they are challenging the status quo".
i dont claim he stole the election, theres evidence that its a possibility, and from my personal view, i wouldnt put it past a man with all the family connections and history under his belt to do everything he could to stay in power as long as he could. im not a conspiracy theorist, im not a talking head born of the political propaganda from either side of the spectrum. i take in information from all sides, and decide for myself.
but you on the other hand are praising limbaugh, mccain, and palin. literally, praising them. im just trying to show you the error of doing so. dont ever praise a politician. they are the first to let you down, and when they do, they let you down hard.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 5:44:34 PM
"i dont hate conservatives"
Is that why you shove them aside as people who haven't done much? Look, we all want educated people in office, however that's not the end all. Many other factors come into play besides "book knowledge."
I never praised Limbaugh. I simply said he is an entertainer, and that the left hates him for his tremendous success, which is true. Unlike Apolitical who blasted Bush, Palin, McCain and Limbaugh as uneducated boobs. I've recognized their accomplishments. If that's your version of praise, then so be it.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 11:55:50 AM
sarah palin got her degree in what? oh yes, journalism. and where did she attain her schooling? oh yeah, community college. sweet. must be some real over acheivers there in idaho. and became the governor in the least populated state in america, ONLY BECAME FAMOUS after being vetted by mccain as the hot hockey mom from the north to counter mrs. clintons electorate, energize the GOP base with her evangelizing..... and... and? she became popular for about 15 minutes. shot some wolves, some moose, spent the states money on her family.... tell me when to stop here. none of these things could really be considered an accomplishement.
limbaugh, although "popular" has done what beyond spew his opinions as facts over the national air waves? well that and being addicted to drugs, and making his house keeper go buy them for him... tell me how good it makes the GOP look to have a radio host no different or more or less popular than howard stern representing them... wow. wish i could meet that a-hole.
personally, i dont like franken or coleman, but jeez, he hasnt even been to work yet and your lambasting him for not accomplishing anything? you dont know him personally do you?
and in regards to the others' education history.... finishing near the bottom of your class isnt exactly something you brag about. regardless what school it was. when mommy or daddy have money and a prominent name you can get away with dodging the draft, skiping school, and doing coke in camp david. you can get away with graduating from the naval academy and only logging about 4 hours of flight time before being shot down and suddenly becoming an american hero for not doing anything but sitting in a hotel in another country.
my point? not very many politicians ANYWHERE these days has done much in the face of education and affecting change. they are politicians for a reason... they want influence, attention, and power. period. beyond that, you could be einstein and be an idiot in congress or the oval office.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 12:15:14 PM
You can't argue with success, which all of the people I mentioned undeniably have. As I said, you let us all know when Franken has some.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 1:44:42 PM
so, when did being one of the top writers for arguable one the the most successful shows in television history become something other than an accomplishment? you know all those comedians on that show? well, they got those funny lines that shot them to fame and fortune from somwhere....
how many nights did you watch SNL growing up? do you still watch? Franken was accomplishing things while sarah palin was learning how to be a journalist and shooting animals.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 3:06:04 PM
Yeah writing comedy really applies to being a great Senator. His skills as an orator sucked... as in being canceled with the colossal Air America failure. But... we'll see what he does.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 3:38:12 PM
is it not an accomplishment? is it not an accomplishment?
if your going to act literal during this little debate than stay on the course.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 4:07:08 PM
Sarah Palin became mayor of a small town before she became governor. You don't see me listing that here as one of her accomplishments, though being a mayor certainly is more related to being a governor. Comedy writing and being a Senator? The jury will have to be out on that one for a while.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 5:28:34 PM
ok. i love alaska, beautiful area. the people are nice and in general the state does well.
but it doesnt take a whole lot to become mayor in a town of less than 3000 people. half the people dont care, the 25% are sided with democrats, and the other 25% are sided with conservative republicans. her entire states population is less than the twin cities metro population here in MN, and our state has a low population in comparison to many states. and, need i remind you, alaska is almost 1/3 the size of the entire united states put together.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 7:06:17 PM
Your points on Alaska are well taken. However, becoming a governor of any state is a major political achievement. Most who run fail at the effort. She sailed and has always had good approval ratings.
Look, I'm not saying Franken won't do a good job, because like the rest of us, I don't know. I just don't like to see people torn down after their achievements, and others built up before they have any.-
Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/03/2009 10:39:13 AM
point taken. i dont mean to offend quid, i sometimes play devils advocate to much and too intensely. we will see what franken does, i personally dont think he will do much either. ive constantly been disappointed in many of our national reps on either side of the political spectrum. perhaps ive lost faith....
the best to you.
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Posted By: I'm all in @ 07/02/2009 5:19:35 PM
I'd like to see Sarah palin go head to head in an intelligence contest with Al Franken. About half way through she'd call him a terrorist and stomp off. you betcha!
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 7:06:41 PM
You know that for sure?
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2009 11:04:04 AM
Quid PQ, I can see that you admire Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh. Al Franken- I don't know enough about him to have an intelligent opinion.Why do you feel that he has not done anything worthy deserving of the governship? Is it because he is an actor/ comedian? Arnold S is an actor. What is your opinion on Gov.S accomplishments? Just asking your opinion, thank you.
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 12:13:50 PM
I don't like the way Franken manhandles people. He physically assaulted a guy from behind who heckled Howard Dean at a rally... "in the name of freedom of speech" he said. Like any left extremist, freedom of speech is only for the people he appoints.
He also said Alan Colmes was nothing but a punching bag for Sean Hannity, which was untrue. I watched that show many times, and Colmes handled himself very professionally and very well considering he was in a conservative environment. I guess Franken wanted Colmes to resort to resort to threats and violence as he has done on several occasions.
The author of "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot" hates Limbaugh because he tried to go the same route with Air America but was a miserable and colossal flop. He's thrown Drama Queen fits at dinners with Fox personalities as well as airports when things might upset his travel plans. I could go on but I think you've got the gest of how I feel about Franken.
Swarznegger, IMO, has done a credible job considering the mess he has to deal with in CA.-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2009 12:40:57 PM
QPQ thank you for answering my questions.
Alan Colmes-You know how I feel about him. I like him, I defended him. I used to like Sean Hannity as well but he confused me with his obsession over Obama's Rev. Wright issue.
Al Franken is the author of the Rush Limbaugh book you mention? I didn't know he was a writer. Like I said before, I have not followed his career as a politician. Like any other politician, we wish him well, after all it is in our best interest.
I like Arnold Swarznegger as an actor and as a governor too.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 4:14:59 PM
It does not surprise me that you like Alan Colmes. I've only watched Hannity's new show once. I thought Colmes brought the right balance to the old show, and have always thought a show with only one of them would be boring.
If Norm Coleman can wish Franken well, so can the rest of us.-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2009 4:50:50 PM
Quid Pro Quo, I liked Alan and Sean together. I don't know why Alan left or where he is now. Do you? I used to like Sean on Hannity's America. I don't dislike him now, I just don't agree with him. Btw, I have not forgotten my conservative values. Does this make sense even though I voted for Obama?
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 6:59:02 PM
Pia, I thought it was a great show also. It 12 years and had top ratings for a reason. I agree that Hannity can get occasionally out of hand. I listen to him on the radio and there's times he gets on my nerves. Limbaugh is the same way. Though we are on the same side politically, as a moderate-right I don't agree with everything these guys say. They think moderates-right people really don't exist, but I will tell them they're wrong.
What happened to Alan C. He said that after 12 very successful years together with H, he wanted to go in a different direction. Fox was and still may be interested in developing a show for him, but Alan did say he had other projects in mind. They both like each other, and many of the shows, including the last one revealed that. In any event, 12 years is a long time for any TV program, especially for two that were so polar-opposite - then again, that's why it worked.
Yes, it makes sense. One of the major reasons Obama was elected was a number of people that voted for Bush voted switched sides and voted for Obama. The war and the economy, primed by the housing mess, is what moved them over. In a bad economy, Hugo Chavez could have made a good showing. lol
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 11:59:51 AM
and yes, why are we not trying to have the best and brightest sitting in the oval office hmm? can you really tell me that Palin would do well visiting other countries and dealing with foreign policy when up until literally months ago she didnt even posess a passport to leave the country? how old is she again?
are you okay with mediocrity? personally, im not. at least franken was the top of his class at SOMETHING...which is more than you can say for bush, mccain, and palin put together.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 12:10:51 PM
Wrong. When Franken accomplishes something, you let us know. Please omit winning a seat by 300 votes.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 1:46:58 PM
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 1:29:31 PM
winning is winning last i checked, by one vote, or by 20 million. thats an accomplishment regardless. AND being that he was a comedian/actor that gives him even more credit for overcoming the bad press and facing a seasoned republican here in MN. you could say, he beat the odds. and the GOP was paying big money to win those court battles that, in the end, must now be payed to franken in full.
you dont even address any of my points made. you still just assume that the folks you mentioned are the end all be all to success.
stop riding the GOPs jock for 2 seconds and look at it objectively. the people you mentioned are not exactly the top of they're class, nor have any of them been great acheivers as you allude to. dropping out of college to becom a radio host. wow. that makes him smart i guess? going to numerous community colleges to end up with only a degree in journalism. wow. staggering intelligence there. graduating at the bottom of your class from the naval academy... my dad dropped out of HIGHSCHOOL, got his GED, and did the same schooling. not very impressive by worldly standards of excellence. bottom of the class is the bottom of the class. know what that means? poor grades, poor diligence, little focus, low level of comprehension in any given area of study.
i think a better question is not what has Al Franken accomplished, but maybe, what you THINK is an accomplishment? i highly doubt your personal picks for great achievers merit much of a notice at all in comparison to countless other people youve never even heard of. your list is poor, as well as your argument.
palin/franken/limbaugh excluded, mccain and bush had well known family names in the areas of military and politics before they were even born. lifes is easy when you have everyone else taking responsability for you, ensuring you get into a good school, throwing what seems like never ending money and support at you, getting favors from "daddys friends" and such.... like anything else, its more about who you know than what youve done. sarah palin, unkown to the general populace of america until miraculously one day a presidential candidate chooses an attractive conservative female to be his running mate. no one hears a peep from her for weeks until they are able to "prep" her for being in the spotlight, and when she is in the spot light, like say, national televison with ms. couric, she states blatantly that she thinks she has good foreign policy because she can see russia from her backyard.
again i say, get off the GOP jock, and look at it objectively. im not trying to make franken/obama/democrats out to be gods, they are VERY VERY VERY far from it. republicans and democrats, same crap filled centers, different packaging.
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 9:07:29 AM
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Posted By: KennyF @ 07/02/2009 10:53:44 AM
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Posted By: John Dough @ 07/02/2009 10:15:37 PM
Minnesota's new senator is no clown You're right there he is a joke and the reason Valid ID should be required to vote. More votes then voters in several democratic counties 400 ballots "found in the trunk of a democratic pollsters car that were "forgotten about" We need UN monitoring of our elections with the dems and ACORN it is clear many voted twice or pollsters stuffed the ballot boxes in those coounties. What a sham. At least when all the phony hanging chads and dimpled ballots were counted in Florida in 2000 Bush still won. (By the way they did testing oon those machines and the only time ballots had hanging chads and dimpled ballots was when more then one ballot was punched at a time.ACORN and the dems feloons one and all Chicago still has more dead people voting then some cities have live ones. TREASON you say look right here.
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Posted By: kunino @ 07/02/2009 8:38:50 PM
Here's political commentary from a fellow who wants us to bel;ieve that Campaigning Al Franken went to "every town in every country "in search of election to the United States of America. Doubtless it was the handful of votes he picked up ibn Noname, Bezerkistan that pushed him across the line.
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Posted By: Dollared @ 07/02/2009 6:49:03 PM
Howard, why is it a good thing that Franken doesn't want a "sweeping public option?" What's wrong with a public option? Do you have no interest at all in the substance of a policy? Or is it only important that it be "bi-partisan?" And what happens if one side doesn't cooperate?
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Posted By: chefman @ 07/02/2009 1:30:28 PM
I love to see right wingers defend W, Rush, and Palin and declare them succesful. Out of touch much? YOU LOST! Enjoy the pain and suffering the next eight years like those of us in the middle and on the left had to. W was the Worst President in the History of the Republic! His litany of failure is still unknown for the most part. He flew fighters in the guard? He trained to, then asked to not be posted to Southeast Asia when his country was at war. Coward. He went AWOL so he could go to Harvard Business School and got it swept under the rug instead of being imprisoned like any other regular joe because his dad was head of the CIA then. He has failed at everything he has ever touched, and been bailed out by Daddy, or by his other Daddy, King Saud. The evil clown is George Bush. Katrina, Iraq, Valerie Plame. Outing a CIA operative for political reasons is treason of the highest order. Scooter was just the fall guy. I believe the penalty for treason is still death, is it not? Maybe W didn't really know about it, since Emporer Dick fed him what he wanted to, but still. Treason is treason.
Sarah Palin is only popular among fire eating, bible thumping, right wingers who have no concept of reality. Fox News is effective, just like Goebbels was. Lie, keep telling the lies and soon enough you believe it to be true. The election was over from the minute she was picked as running mate and opened her mouth. Please nominate her for President in 2012. I beg you.
John McCain is a bona fide American hero. A warrior, veteran and POW who endured hell for several years. My respect for him and his service to this country is off the chart. I supported him in 2000 when he did not listen to political handlers and was himself. Bush and Rove destroyed him in South Carolina with lies and deceit. Sadly, McCain listened to his handlers in 08, changed his religion, his rhetoric and his was not true to himself. He lost the election because of Sarah Palin. It should not have even been close after the last eight years of corruption, ineptitude, deceit and shredding of the Constitution that they swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend.
Rush LImbaugh? Really? Be serious. Sheep can be led to the slaughter because they are sheep. The man is a joke, a carnival barker and a drug addict. He is also the de facto head of the GOP. Keep wandering in the desert, and flinging poo at everything like monkeys in the zoo. Let serious intelligent people drive the ship for a while.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 3:46:55 PM
chefman - "It should not have even been close after the last eight years of corruption, ineptitude, deceit and shredding of the Constitution that they swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend."
Your so-called opinion is baseless, like a few other inept clods here that harp on this bullshit. And, like many others here who have asked for any verifiable proof that substantiates your hate filled, baseless bullshit, you don't have any because it isn't there. Only your gassed up opinion. One time I'd like see people like you step up to the plate with real proof instead of perpetual gas.
Limbaugh is an entertainer. Do you not understand that? De facto head of the GOP? More baseless gas belching. FYI, a de facto leader would be someone like Muammar Abu al-Gaddafi of Lybia who is in actual power.
All this said, we're all glad a conspiracy theorist, non intellectual like yourself isn't driving our ship.
Btw chef, you're a little behind the times. Like Obama, Limbaugh doesn't do drugs anymore. However unlike your new found love interest Franken, they do pay their taxes.
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 4:27:14 PM
"And, like many others here who have asked for any verifiable proof that substantiates your hate filled, baseless bullshit, you don't have any because it isn't there. Only your gassed up opinion."
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 4:46:57 PM
My debating methods are citing obvious things like Bush getting elected twice, Palin elected to governor and of course McCain's accomplishments as a war hero and success as a Senator since 1987, and by calling out puny efforts to minimize all that with lame "they didn't graduate at that top of their class and went to multiple schools and "stolen election" bullshit?
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Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/02/2009 5:32:49 PM
i see you really paid attention to my "bullshit". your not objective to the debate at all. and now your cursing for no reason.
but, and this is a fact for both of us, we both seem to have a "gassed up opinion". i for one, have no problem admitting that.
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Posted By: chefman @ 07/02/2009 4:41:17 PM
As facts to back up my so called conspiracy theories, lets address point by point the statement of mine you quoted.
Corruption. Fact: Dick Cheney sits on the board of Halliburton, which also owns Kellogg Brown Root. Two companies which have been given millions of taxpayer dollars on no bid contracts in Iraq, to build substandard facilities that have caused the death of American service personnel, in the showers. They were electrocuted. Wartime is the easiest time to grift the government and these companies and others have, at the cost of American lives. Stinks a bit. Look it up.
Ineptitude. Fact:: The 82nd Airborne was in Sri Lanka 72 hours after the tsunami. How many died, American citizens died, while the world watched after Hurricane Katrina, as the Bush Administration, FEMA, Michael Brown, sucked their thumbs while a major American city and its residents drowned? The Coast Guard acted heroically and saved many lives while W was at a birthday party for John McCain in an airplane hangar in Arizona. Heckuva job, Brownie.
Deceit: Colin Powell, an honorable man was hung out to dry making the case at the UN for the Administration over bullshit intelligence that has caused us to throw American blood and treasure down a rabbit hole in Iraq. What have we gained in the seven years we have occupied Iraq? The hanging of Saddam? Is that it? Was it worth is for you? Instead of actually having a plan for post war Iraq they just said screw it. They will welcome us as liberators. The war will pay for itself. Instead, we have given the radical Islamists all the fuel they need to continue to hate us by occupying their holy lands. That is what this is about. The military was assigned their task by incompetent civilians, people who never served, in fact ran away and deferred, and they bled and died for it and continue to do so. Iraq did not attack us. They were not a threat to us. Saddam was bluffing so Iran didn't blow the *** out of him. The constant stream of lies perpetuated convienently close to election timein 04 (orange alert!) that succeeded in getting that incompetent dipshit reelected. Thanks Karl Rove. If the pain of the last eight years exists solely for the purpose of the destruction of the radical right wing fringe like yourself, it will have been almost worth it.-
Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 5:16:15 PM
It's been said here and elsewhere many times and is a well known fact. Halliburton was and still is the only world wide company large enough and capable enough to handle Iraq. Besides, Cheney was already wealthy and had stepped down from Halliburton before running for office.
And haven't you heard... it's been said here also: Bush and Cheney had their giant wind machines set up in New Orleans. lol You blame this on Bush? Only a nutcase left wing extremist.
Fact: The Mayor of New Orleans failed to put his people on the buses which sat empty for 5 days while hurricane Katrina approached. He Turned down an offer from Amtrak to assist him in evacuating people before the hurricane hit. Now those people are dead or homeless and he looks to blame others for his incompetence. Not only that, corrupt Louisiana officials misappropriated government funds to rebuild levys, which could have prevented the catastrophe to begin with.
Colin Powell should have never taken a position in Bush's cabinet. He proved it by flipping to the demcrats ONLY when he saw an Obama victory was inevitable. He serves only his best interests.
Colin Powell:
"My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence....
"Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. Even the low end of 100 tons of agent would enable Saddam Hussein to cause mass casualties across more than 100 square miles of territory, an area nearly five times the size of Manhattan."
--Secretary of State Colin Powell presentation to the UN Security Council, February 5, 2003
Powell made that statement about month before the invasion. So much for your buddy's credibility on Iraq.
You leftist extremists and your after the fact armchair "opinions" are laughable.
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 5:24:46 PM
By the way, a certain long time journalist, Dan Rather, was humiliated dumped for failing to prove that Bush went AWOL. If he couldn't get it done, neither can you. But of course you "just know" he did.
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Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/02/2009 3:31:52 PM
The looming idiocy of CapnTax will not assist the Senate Democrats even with the leftwinged likes of a Franken. Conrad, Nelson, Baucus, Tester, Schuler, Webb and other Democrat senators including Byrd,Rockefeller,Bayh,Reid and others, are already having real worries over this particular madness. Here, is where the popguns of the GOP become more like a TOMAHAWK missle platform,with the majority of Americans in all polls [the most recent, todays RASMUSSEN and last Fridays GALLUP], on the side of the GOP and worried Democrat Blue Dogs who hail from energy and farm-belt states.
You know that something is wrong when the defenders of this crummy deal must insist in hyperbole and rhetoric rather than facts in order to back their play. The GOP, armed with charts and peer-reviewed studies are using these as broadsides to hammer the leftwings flanks. Increased unemployment. Trade wars. higher energy costs. Federal lands seizures [ already being carried out in Nevada] and food shortages as well as higher prices for these commodities.
97% of the entire nations energy sources being usurped by a measly 3%. The return of the ''Saudi'' bullshit being peddled by dimwitted Dems this time instead of the GOP back in the 2006 gas crunch,forgetting that we get most of our imported oil from the western hempishere. Todays new RASMUSSEN has Obama at 53% and dropping in approval due precisely to such schemes, as Americans are quickwitted enough to realize that no amount of green propaganda will move the employment numbers north. The vote of Franken is to be expected for this lunacy. It's rejection by the Senate becomes the issue of the hour and a means by which the leftwing can be isolated.
The Boston Globe July 01, 2009:''Global Warming Debate Not Even Close To Being Settled''
The Denver Post July 01,2009:''Facts..Costs..Consequences.. Who Cares?''
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Posted By: NatNat877 @ 07/02/2009 1:07:12 PM
Nice try howard.
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 8:27:28 AM
Franken funny? I've seen him in 'Trading Places'. While his portrayal as a dumbass was dead on, he just wasn't funny.
His physical attack on a heckler at a Howard Dean rally was also not funny. Proud of his cowardly actions of sneaking up behind the man, he said "I got down low and took his legs out".
In addition to Franken thinking he's Hulk Hogan, he's also an enormous liar. He is completly debunked here:
http://www.frankenlies.com/-
Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2009 11:13:07 AM
QPQ, Hulk Hogan, is this the man who was governor of Minnesota a few years back? If so, what party is he and how did he do as governor?
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 11:26:06 AM
Pia, you're thinking of former wrestler and former MN gov. Jesse Ventura, who was with the Reform Party, and now with the Independence Party.
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 11:25:30 AM
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Posted By: JRyan28 @ 07/02/2009 2:48:05 AM
If we're lucky, in the next issue Howard Fineman might let us in on Al Franken's favorite color. Is this the kind of hard-hitting, professional journalism that we stand to lose by the coming death of the "proper media?"
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Posted By: Quid Pro Quo @ 07/02/2009 10:37:45 AM
Franken's favorite color? Why, clear of course. We can see right through him.
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Posted By: Pia1981 @ 07/02/2009 10:56:21 AM
Quid Pro Quo, are you saying that Al Franken is transparent? I don't know him well enough to agree. I read on your other post that he was in the movie Trading Places, I recently saw that movie. Was he one of the men who helped transport the gorilla?
How are you today? I'm very well....listening to my favorite song..it's a BF one. Perhaps you know BF?
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Posted By: byrdh5n1 @ 07/02/2009 8:36:54 AM
I suppose you would rather elevate Michele Bachmann to Senator? Think about it. Oh.... sorry.... you find that action too strenuous. Prefer mouthing standard idiotology. Bravo.
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Posted By: ok4u @ 07/02/2009 8:25:49 AM
That Franken could even get nominated is not too surprising. After all, this is the state that voted a wrestler in as Governor. Liberal ideologs are moved more by celebrity, than by serious issues, aren't they? Gee, I wonder what Paris Hilton thinks about all this?
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Posted By: byrdh5n1 @ 07/02/2009 8:12:07 AM
Good article. Quiet respect for a friend; thoughtful restraint in predicting fame or otherwise. Let us all hope for excellent service from Mr. Franken. And to you ideologs: raspberries...........
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Posted By: EagleMan @ 07/02/2009 12:30:18 AM
I don't know his politics on the detail level but I am glad that Americans were able to elect a figure as fiery as a comedian (even if by an incredibly slim margin), this shows that people nowadays are becoming more resistant to random soundbytes of comments taken grossly out of context, because who sounds more offensivethan a comedian taken out of onctext?
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Posted By: ericdrexil @ 07/01/2009 10:03:40 PM
I remember Ronald Reagan being dismissed as an actor. This is a joke.
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Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 07/01/2009 7:38:17 PM
Howard must have neglected to read todays detailed Boston Globe article on global warming which has a rather astonishing array of top climateologists and scientists including Nobel Prize winners and Lauretes arraying themselves against the Goreian hysterics There are over 700 scientists in fact, more than eight times the number of those who touched the pen to the UN panel document on climate change several years ago who are now saying that enough is enough. The naysayers are actually in the Gore camp. Not the other way around. Howard The Fineman also neglected to tell this audience that what has Inhofe stewed is that the EPA under Obama administration orders buried and disapppeared a lengthy report showing that the planet is cooling. Not warming,and that the EPA chief that blew the whistle on Obama has, like this series of Inspectors General, been summarily fired, and is doing yeomans work trying to dismantle Obamas climate change Potemkin village before its inhabitants, namely, Americans, are hit with the largest self-inflicted policy of job loss, taxation,and energy vacation in this nations history. The whole House deal was based upon lies and the chance to make billions gaming the ''green''market which would enrich lobbyists, algore of course, and his cronies, and most importantly,the warchests of the hack pols who are backing this obscenity while breaking everyone else.
Clowns? No Howard. Send In The Gangsters instead.
..don't bother...they're already here....
www.realclearpolitics.com July 01,2009.
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