Trust in God

I want to know how many of us rush our kids to the Doctor every time they get sick?! For one thing, it's expensive, the Dr become irratated and they make you feel a little stupid for even being there. These parents are young, unexperienced and relied on their faith in God. They loved their little girl adn it's obvious. SHAME on Clackamus County for putting these young parents through this. The States ME was such an arrogount, so full of his self crap head I'm surprised that he hasn't been taken straight to heaven. What a jerk! My oldest (son of 8 children) is a prosecuter in Golds Beach oregon. TRAVIS, this whole things makes me sick. These parents have to live with the fact that their little girl is gone but, it was the will of God.

Shockingly sad. I don't know how they live with themselves.

God gave us the knowledge of modern medicine, why wouldnt you use it?? I believe in the Lord 100% and Im sure he isnt going to condemn me for seeking healthcare for my children!

When the faith of Christ encounter a lovely life,which shuold we choose,and which we must choose?

I am always kind of mystified at how folks can reject medical treatment and attribute that to Christian faith. Especially in the light of the Gospel of Luke and The Acts of the Apostles being written by Luke the Physican and a companion of Paul. Certainly Paul and Luke maintained their belief in the power of God and their belief in medical treatment.

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Now the point I am trying to get to is I know what goes beyond behind close doors at that place I have seen it and lived it. That church has raised its members to believe that they are above the law. For example??? do most congregations allow the men of the church to smoke cigarettes inside the church building only 50 feet away from children, new born babies and their mothers? Do most congregations allow 18 to 23 year old men to date as young as 14 year old girls? Because if a woman of the church was not married by 17 she understood that her chances of getting married dropped dramatically as the moment???s progresses which forced her into relationships prematurely. Do most congregations sing ten songs on Sunday and Thursday night with no minister, no message, and no bible teaching whatsoever? This church couldn???t practice faith healing biblically because they have no active elders or ministry to perform what is biblically called for as stated in James 5:13. To all of the people writing in, please understand when talking with these people arguing scripture is futile because they truly do not understand the biblical view of faith healing that they so adamantly profess they believe. We are not looking at a faithful congregation of believers. We are looking at a rebellious group of people who have some how concluded that they can do everything better if God is not involved. My friend this is a cult???. and unfortunately this young married couple is going to have to pay for there elder???s ignorance which is sad because this teaching is the only thing they have ever heard, and will affect generations to come if it isn???t stopped. Two great injustices have come to the surface in this case, one is that a child has been unwillingly robed of her life and two is that they claim to be doing the things that they are doing in the precious name of the Lord Jesus Christ which is simply not the case.

If it is the case that a faith healing believer is to get medical attention asap if prayers are not answered, then I have two questions: If medical help should be received upon an unanswered prayer immediately, then is it not up to the leaders of the church to implore upon the parents that they need to get medical help and explain that just because their prayers were not answered immediately, that does not mean that their faith is weak by any means, it just means God may have his reasons for denying the prayer and the reason is that He chooses to let doctors share the gift of medicinal knowledge that He gave them? Secondly, how long should parents wait for an answer-how soon is asap? A few minutes, an hour, a day or weeks?

As a believer in "FAITH" healing it is important to understand what that means. The person receiving the healing needs to have faith as well as the person praying for them. If either is lacking and or the healing does not take place it's time for a doctor, ASAP, especially in the case of a child who may not understand the faith process. It's also possible God doesn't always heal by pure faith because He wants us to have faith in the medical knowledge He has provided doctors. Some times people want faith healing because they don't want to pay a doctor, that is unprincipled faith and may not be honored. Regarding the previous comment stating the healings of Jesus all took place instantly, not so, He prayed for the blind man twice before healing took place. Pastor Mack

While modern medicine may indeed have been a gift bestowed upon us by God, I believe at the same time that very gift has been abused and misused by the current health system and government to interfere in the personal lives of its people. The idea that it is mandated that all children received vaccinations in order to protect the greater good is understandable and arguably easy to adjust to, but in the case of parents deciding what they believe to be in the child's best interest being overridden by local, state, and federal government is to say the least quite scary. The forcing of the parents of one child to recieve modern medicinal care by government is not in the interest of the greater good, especially if the child's ailment is not considered contagious and a threat to the greater good. It is not up to the whole body of God's people to judge how people choose to recieve medicinal care and treatment and how they choose to care for the children. The commentator that posted about the man on the roof who refused the helicopters' help needs to remember that is the free will that God gave that man. Sad and frustrating as it may be to bystanders, it is still solely their choice and will to choose to do as they wish, not bystanders, not doctors, not social services, not the government-it is utlitmately between that person and their God. Remember what our country was founded on: freedom of religion--the right to choose what we believe, how we believe and how we worship--even if that involves the personal health of the believers' families.

And the fascists continue to bleat how only the government should raise children.

There was a great sermon I once heard. I will summarize it. There was a man sitting on the roof of his house during a great flood. Three times a helicopter came by and asked him if he wanted to be rescued. Each time he said that God will save him. Sadly after a fourth pass the helicoper crew found the roof covered with water and no sign of the man. Upon reaching the gates of heaven saint Peter asks him, "Why did you not take the helicopter?" The man replied, "I thought God would save me." To which Saint Peter replied," God tried to save you, he sent you a helicopter three times!" I would argue that these people's faith is misplaced and that they are foolishly set agasint modern technology. They should pause to consider that perhaps modern technology was bestowed upon us as a gift from God.

Cold-blooded abuse.These people who believe in the bible literally are still asleep.No matter from what inspiration the bible is wrotten it was written by men.And to impose their beliefs on a suffering child is nothing short of murder.After a few years in the penitentiary these same parents will be appealing ,talking about how they were misguided followers of a faith they were brainwashed by.If your childs suffering does'nt wake you up,but prison does thats a selfish person.,not a blind follower1

Why is it that those who believe that miraculous healing is still available today do not realize that the miracles in the bible were IMMEDIATELY............ Mt 8:3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed............ Mt 20:34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.............. Mr 1:31 And he came and took her by the hand, and lifted her up; and immediately the fever left her, and she ministered unto them............ Mr 1:42 And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed........... Mr 2:12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.......... Lu 13:13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God........... Ac 9:34 And Peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately.

Winston Ross wrote,
"That's largely because of the diminishing influence of sects such as the Church of Christ"

I don't know what cave Mr. Ross crawled out of but THE CHURCH OF CHRIST I read about in the bible teaches that "faith without works is dead" Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
also THE CHURCH OF CHRIST of the bible teaches that miracles ceased when "that which is perfect is come" "that" being the perfect written will of Christ............1Co 13:8 ¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
Mr. Ross, you need to repent, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST is not a "religious sect" as is the pentecostals, the baptist, the methodist, the presbyterians, the jehovah witnesses, the mormons, etc. etc. which are found NO WHERE written in the word of GOD.........Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

nuts.these people are nuts,but it also brings to light the dangerous beliefs of some religious groups and their not so quaint effects on the lives of others.