How Real Is 'Brüno'?

Is Sacha Baron Cohen's new movie as staged as his MTV Awards brawl with Eminem? An exclusive look at a small Southern town presented as a hotbed of homophobia in the film.

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  • Posted By: brilliantoscillations @ 11/21/2009 3:05:13 PM

    I've lived in the Fort Smith area for most of my life, and I am gay. Word about Cohen's act had spread pretty fast the night of the incident - I was at a liquor store and the clerk there told me that people had come in talking about what had happened downtown. I finally got the chance to watch this movie the other night.

    Cohen stated in the film's commentary that people told him to go to Arkansas if he wanted some tried and true homophobia. Homophobia runs on a sort of spectrum. Some people are mildly homophobic, and some people tie gays to fences and beat them to death. I believe Cohen wanted to show the most extreme example of homophobia he could get legally, and he did what he needed to do in order to achieve that goal. The reactions of some of these people (and from the commentary I'm pretty sure no scenes from Texarkana were edited in with the Fort Smith footage) are downright scary. Yes, a lot of them were heavily inebriated, but I really doubt they would have reacted with any less passion had they not been drinking. An idiotic, intolerant redneck is an idiotic, intolerant redneck, drunk or not.

    However, I can say I have not personally ever encountered the passionately deranged reactions pictured in the movie. I used to go to the gay bar downtown, and that's the only place I've ever encountered homophobia in Fort Smith. I'd sit outside in the parking lot on some nights, and as the bar is situated at the end of Fort Smith's largest strip of bars, a few drunk, redneck morons would drive by and shout out delightfully original declarations.

    That's as close as I've ever been to homophobia here. I don't speak for all gays. I know there are intolerant dolts around here, and I'm sure there are violently intolerant dolts, but they're certainly not the majority. Fort Smith wasn't exclusively named in the film, so it's not like the town is objectively singled out or misrepresented. They named the state, but even in the commentary "Fort Smith" was not said (although Texarkana was named). The idea's that this could be anywhere, particularly in the south.

    At the end of the day, even though this movie tried to show just how ridiculous some people are with their discomfort and/or hatred of gays, it's just a comedy film. I'm not one to attempt to flaunt my orientation, I don't go to gay pride rallies, I don't really have gay friends, but I do know that I'm gay, and divisive as this movie was among gays, I can say that I laughed my ass off, which was why I wanted to watch it in the first place.

  • Posted By: brilliantoscillations @ 11/21/2009 3:03:21 PM

    I've lived in the Fort Smith area for most of my life, and I am gay. Word about Cohen's act had spread pretty fast the night of the incident - I was at a liquor store and the clerk there told me that people had come in talking about what had happened downtown. I finally got the chance to watch this movie the other night.

    Cohen stated in the film's commentary that people told him to go to Arkansas if he wanted some tried and true homophobia. Homophobia runs on a sort of spectrum. Some people are mildly homophobic, and some people tie gays to fences and beat them to death. I believe Cohen wanted to show the most extreme example of homophobia he could get legally, and he did what he needed to do in order to achieve that goal. The reactions of some of these people (and from the commentary I'm pretty sure no scenes from Texarkana were edited in with the Fort Smith footage) are downright scary. Yes, a lot of them were heavily inebriated, but I really doubt they would have reacted with any less passion had they not been drinking. An idiotic, intolerant redneck is an idiotic, intolerant redneck, drunk or not.

    However, I can say I have not personally ever encountered the passionately deranged reactions pictured in the movie. I used to go to the gay bar downtown, and that's the only place I've ever encountered homophobia in Fort Smith. I'd sit outside in the parking lot on some nights, and as the bar is situated at the end of Fort Smith's largest strip of bars, a few drunk, redneck morons would drive by and shout out delightfully original declarations.

    That's as close as I've ever been to homophobia here. I don't speak for all gays. I know there are intolerant dolts around here, and I'm sure there are violently intolerant dolts, but they're certainly not the majority. Fort Smith wasn't exclusively named in the film, so it's not like the town is objectively singled out or misrepresented. They named the state, but even in the commentary "Fort Smith" was not said (although Texarkana was named). The idea's that this could be anywhere, particularly in the south.

    At the end of the day, even though this movie tried to show just how ridiculous some people are with their discomfort and/or hatred of gays, it's just a comedy film. I'm not one to attempt to flaunt my orientation, I don't go to gay pride rallies, I don't really have gay friends, but I do know that I'm gay, and divisive as this movie was among gays, I can say that I laughed my ass off, which was why I wanted to watch it in the first place.

  • Posted By: spawnmaster @ 07/13/2009 6:35:24 PM

    Conservative dad and the subsequent poster- You guys are a bunch of f*cking hicks. Get with it, times have changed. No gay guy throws a rock through your bedroom window and hits your wife's car on the street because you're straight.

    Do you know pain and hardship?

    You're fearful attitude and outlook sickens me.

    • Posted By: nooneinparticular @ 07/18/2009 8:19:59 PM

      your first choice of words indicate that you are a bigot too.

      • Posted By: jml41 @ 11/10/2009 1:03:58 AM

        Conservative dad is the username of the poster he's quoting...

  • Posted By: lekkerbeffen @ 09/05/2009 1:18:04 PM

    ...I think the stereotype of person that goes to events advertised as 'HOT CHICKS, COLD BEER, HARDCORE FIGHTS' IS a homophobic and just the perfect moron for the scene. This article tries to make up for the people there while they, drunk or not, just showed themselves whom they really are: homophobic rednecks

  • Posted By: schybridcollective @ 07/20/2009 6:52:19 PM

    This is not exactly like 'blackface' or 'gayface'- in fact, it is rather the opposite. Cohen satirizes ludicrous homophobic stereotypes in order to provide a comical, poignant analysis of extreme sexual attitudes and morays that exist within regional, insular communities that exist all over the world. I would assert that if one were to insist on drawing the onerous comparisons between Bruno and black-sploitation films- more modern parodies such as 'bamboozled' or 'pootytang' would be far more analagous. Cohen is following in the vein of Voltaire, providing critical social commentary that forces us to examine our societal behavior and values. To state that Bruno is simply a "gaysploitation" film is to miss the substantive social critique not-so-discreetly veiled by the a facade of stereotypes and adolescent humor used to attract American audiences to the box office.

    • Posted By: vmuratore @ 09/01/2009 4:45:03 PM

      It's not "morays, hon. That's the eel. If you mean standards and values, you spell it "more" with an accent on the "e".

  • Posted By: johnnyoh @ 07/19/2009 11:35:47 PM

    This is just like blackface or Gayface. A straight guy playing a gay man with every conceivable stereotype for a laugh. Nothing new there. Someday thats exactly what this will be seen as.

  • Posted By: nooneinparticular @ 07/18/2009 8:19:02 PM

    The "old south" is not the only hotbed of bigotry and hatred it is everywhere...that Cohen chose a southern location is bigotry in of itself..bigotry to people who live in the south, his methods paint all southerners as racist bigots. Homophobia is not just a southern thing..it is a human thing every where on this planet. What amazes me that people out in La-la land (Hollywood), and up North (New York and the New England states) think they are immune to bigotry..they have people who are just as bigoted, prejudiced, discriminatory and hypcritical as any one else from any where else. So Please refrain from assuming the "old south" has a monopoly on bigotry!!!

  • Posted By: billbillbill @ 07/15/2009 11:06:14 PM

    I was born at Sparks Hospital. I graduated from Southside High School, home of the Rebels - aka bigots. I was just as bad as the others. I ridiculed gays, belittled women, and told racist jokes. Thank God that I moved out of the "old south." I still regret my actions. Yes, the scene is exaggerated, but the underlying truth is still there. There are educated, thoughtful, caring people in Fort Smith, but they are the minority, and they sure as hell don't attend dollar beer night at the cage matches.

  • Posted By: new guy @ 07/13/2009 10:06:48 AM

    sigh - I guess I can't disagree with Against-Ignorance either. My problem is that I really don't like how anyone in this situation acted. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and here comes that doof hellboy.

  • Posted By: Against-Ignorance @ 07/13/2009 6:02:17 AM

    Would this scenario with the 'Blue Collar Brawl' be thrown out of any court as a clear case of entrapment? Certainly. Does that remove its validity as proof of this town's rampant homophobia? Certainly not. Nobody forced anyone to wear those disgusting shirts. Nobody forced anyone to get ridiculously drunk in a public place. And I'm sorry, once you start threatening violence and getting this mean; alcohol stops being an excuse. Grown men are supposed to have a certain level of control over themselves; even while drinking. That's just a basic part of being a grownup. These homophobes no more get a pass for their behavior than Mel Gibson gets a pass for the drunken road side revelation that, yes, he is as anti-Semitic as many thought. The truth hidden in the mind of a sober man will be revealed on the lips of a drunk man.

  • Posted By: one10soldier @ 07/13/2009 2:30:16 AM

    Sarah I'm afraid you missed something major in your article. You should know the top people in a city are informed as to what the show really is. Having done research you would have noticed it's a brand new multi-million dollar civic auditorium here in Ft Smith which leads directly into why would you let thousands at a tough-guy contest throw beer all over the place? Why would you subject your police force thru all this knowing full well what's going to happen? One correct answer is..you are gay. Gotcha didn't he? Scratch Romania, scratch Ft Smith..who out there is next?

  • Posted By: new guy @ 07/12/2009 6:21:54 PM

    To conservative dad, I have to say that I respect that you have a level of tolerance for gays that seems to be within your moral boundaries, rather than setting up a double standard. We might disagree ultimately, but you seem to have a decent sense of fairness that I can respond to.

    I would suggest that the broader problem is in general with a culture that has been thriving on shows and productions that are designed to show the worst sides of our nature. Mind you, I'm not defending intolerance of anyone for anyone else, I'm simply stating that the sort of baiting that Cohen or any number of reality shows engage in is wrong, and is not by any means the product of a higher moral position. For the record, I'm gay and I don't think I'd like "Bruno" either - he's just plain obnoxious. But more obnoxious is the abusive point and laugh attitude that the film takes. People aren't perfect, and it is really not that difficult to find a flaw. That Cohen found a flaw or provoked a reaction and then put those people up for national ridicule is every bit as low as the folks who would publicly ridicule gay people in their communities. Many of Cohen's victims could just as well be members of my family, and I would not appreciate them being treated in such a way. There seems to be a raft full of folks on this comment page that I'd like to give a good shouting to, but this article was about "Bruno", and Cohen would have benefited greatly to have considered the admonition that he who has no sin may cast the first stone.

  • Posted By: smellmyfinger @ 07/12/2009 3:37:52 PM

    So a bunch of people get drunk (but its not their fault 'cos they were given cheap beer) and then go ape when someone provokes them. But its not their fault because they were drunk?

  • Posted By: chucksierra @ 07/12/2009 9:07:14 AM

    No amount of fire and brimstone talk or love the sinner/hate the sin convictions will convince any homosexual that what they're doing is unnatural, unbiblical, and a lifestyle choice. It will not be until judgement day that they finally realize the fruits of their labor!

  • Posted By: Celtia @ 07/11/2009 10:02:48 AM

    sanborl: First of all, being gay is not a "choice" -- it's how someone is born, just like others are born straight (and if it were a choice it certainly wouldn't be a "poor" one). Second, you Conservatives are only "under attack" by those of us who are human beings. Why should you care if two men want to slow dance (or two women)? What harm does it do you, besides offending your narrow and judgmental viewpoint? Nobody's asking for your blessing, and nobody needs it. I'm a straight woman married to a straight man. We have plenty of gay friends. In fact, my best friend is gay and has been in a committed relationship with the man he loves for 7 years. They have the same right to express their love for each other in public that my husband and I do. If any couple, straight or gay, becomes rude in public then yes, step in and object. But if two people of the same sex are engaging in any public behavior that you would not find offensive in a straight couple it's none of your damn business.

  • Posted By: conservative dad @ 07/09/2009 11:34:52 PM

    As a citizen of a town near Fort Smith, AR, I am sickened by the liberal left attempt to paint my community as a bunch of drunken, brawling rednecks. Even before I realized that a portion of the "bruno" movie was filmed in this area, I have been appalled at the whole theme of the movie. Call me a homophobe if you like. Call me intolerant if you like, but I find absolutely nothing funny about a flamboyant queer. I can tolerate a gay person. I have worked around several openly gay persons in the past years without issue... as long as they maintain a professional attitude in the workplace. When they begin to discuss their "after hours activities" is when I begin to have issues. I don't share my bedroom details (faithfully married for 22 years) and I expect others to keep their exploits to themselves in the workplace. No, I don't choose to hang around these people after work, for a number of reasons. The liberal media is so biased they don't begin to recognize their own hypocrisy. Let's coin a new term - "heterophobe". I believe in traditional family values. I believe in decency and morality. I believe in marriage only between one man and one woman. If that makes me a "homophobe", I will gladly wear the title. The scene from the previews of this movie that disgusted me the most was the one where the queer was disrespecting the drill sergeant. Even though it is just a movie (not what I consider "entertainment") there is no call to disrespect our military in such a way. Ms Cohen, you disgust me!

    • Posted By: sanborl @ 07/10/2009 9:15:38 PM

      From another "conservative dad": We're under assault, you and I and the vast majority of the western world's people, by a spit-in-the-face know-no-bounds thin fringe attitude toward history and human nature. They've stepped off a precipice and want an acceptance of that ill choice.

  • Posted By: scherf.com @ 07/09/2009 11:04:01 AM

    BRÜNO IS VERY REAL!
    Brüno is perfectly real and most people don't want to be around gays in real life. It's okay to see some weirdos on "The Bird Cage", "Milk" or on "Brüno" etc., but hardly any decent human being wants to see a gay pride parade live or hang out with gays, ... because of their agenda these folks (the gays and lesbians) are scary. Brüno shows it exactly how it is: we, the masses and normal people, don't want to be around gays. That's why gays continuously cater to their own communities because that's where they find acceptance, while they struggle and fail to find sympathy in the straight community just as "Brüno" shows. There's good reason to be homophobic because the gay community has such a sick and perverted lifestyle as they're only concerned about continuously satisfying their burning sexual lusts. It takes a Cohen as Brüno to remind us decent people again that we don't want gays around in our schools, neighborhood or society.

    • Posted By: fs123 @ 07/09/2009 5:16:37 PM

      Enter Your CommentI am currently living in this "small Southern town" mentioned in this article and I am highly offended by the way this article and subsequently, this movie portrays the people who live here. I was not born here, but have lived here the majority of my life after moving from a major metropolitan southern city. I am not a "homophobe". I do not hate people who are gay. I do not dislike people who are gay. While it is true that I do not understand the lifestyles of a gay couple, it does not mean that I do not care about a gay person, their feelings, their rights to live their life, or how they are treated. You see, I do regard the Bible as the Word of God and the ultimate truth as to right and wrong. Therefore, I do regard a homosexual lifestyle to be one that is lived outside of the will of God. However, I personally know many people who are living a life separate from God. And guess what? They are my friends. I will continue to care for them, to love them, to treat them with respect and honor even though they make choices in their life that differ from what I personally consider right and wrong. It is not for me to pass judgment on anyone. This is how I feel in my heart about the gay community. They are all people. People who deserve love, respect, honor, and to be treated with no less dignity than anyone else. In other words, even though I disagree with someone, it does not change the way I behave towards them.

      What I take offense to is this movie and how it inaccurately has portrayed my town. You, Mr. Sasha Baron Cohen, have trashed my town and the good people who live and work here. You asked our police officers to wear t-shirts bearing offensive language? (Offensive, not because of the gay nature, but offensive because of the explicit nature of the shirt, by the way.) Do you realize these are officers who are trying to provide for their families and are sacrificing time with their families to provide security in the unstable, hostile environment that you purposefully created for them? If you truly wanted to show how the people in this town feel about the homosexual community, why not ask some of the educated, well spoken leaders to sit down and discuss their views on the subject? I know why. It's not sensational. It's not entertainment. Let us not forget here that your goal is money. You have not only exploited my town, but also the gay community in an attempt to make money. To the gay couple or actors who participated in the event I would ask, "did your actions do anything to promote acceptance of the gay community in this town? Or did you only serve to reinforce the negative attitudes toward gays that you claim exist in this town? Did you feel like you represented the gay community well? Are you proud to have been a part of this stunt? " You see, there are many facets to this story that are embarrassing and shameful. Am I embarrassed at the behavior of how some in

      • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 07/09/2009 5:32:05 PM

        I assume and accept that everything you said about yourself is true... and I commend you for your laudable tolerance, but the attitudes of one person don't necessarily constitute a consensus of your entire community. As to Fort Smith, the two fellows described in the article clearly do not agree with you about the tenor of the town. It might also be that gay people are quicker to perceive hostility toward gay people than the rest of us are... might be that those of us who aren't gay would never see it at all, but people who are gay see it all the time. If you aren't short, you might never know that the guy next door hates short people, but if you ARE short, you would find that out real quick.

        • Posted By: Bluebird7207 @ 07/10/2009 5:56:45 PM

          Iconblaster, I think you may be missing the point that many of us are trying to make. Fort Smith was made a target, but gay-bashing is not limited to this city, this state, this geographic area. The two men in the article wanted to be accepted everywhere. They are not, I hope someday they will be, but if they think they can just move out of the area and suddenly be accepted by society at large they are not living in reality. But saying everyone in this town are homophobic is making an unfair assumption about a lot of people. Yes, I can remember the days when whites and blacks could not drink from the same water fountain, use the same restrooms or eat at the same restaurants in Fort Smith, those days are gone. Can you still find pockets of racism in the area, you bet you can, but the overall attitude has changed over the years. Will the attitude toward gays also change? Possibly, but there are always going to be pockets of folks who can't or won't change. But painting an entire metropolitian community based on two incidents is unfair and kind of stupid.

    • Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/09/2009 2:53:27 PM

      and tell me....SMURF.COM...what is the "gay agenda" hmmm???

      #1 on the agenda: destroy america

      #2: do everything in the're power to offend you at every turn out of sheer spite

      #3: dismantle the religious structure of america

      #4: drop they're own "fairy nukes" on your pathetic little town

      what? what is it smurfette? afraid of a "fairy"? or are you okay with watching a couple of girls go down on eachother?

      cant be a hypocrit here smurfy, it might just show your idiocy. oh, wait, you already did that. youve already been proven a liar.

      guess what, unless you become a one man army and begin the genocide of all homosexuals, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN OUR SCHOOLS....THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN THIS AND ANY SOCIETY.

      so whats the plan smurf? got your own agenda? eliminate humans that never did anything to you? send them all to an island? hang em high?

      what smurf? havent thought that far ahead yet? or are you already stocked up on ammo for the gay invasion?

      go back to your cave.....

    • Posted By: hlgns763 @ 07/09/2009 2:45:45 PM

      again, if i had the capability to reach throw this screen and punch your teeth out, i would do so without remorse or hesitaiton.

      you are honestly one of the most arrogantly and verbally offensive people ive come across on this site.

      you act like they arent human, like they are lepers.

      and really, of course with jerkoffs like you running around why would they want to hang out with people like you. are you really that dumb?

      i noticed in another forum you said you have gay friends... yeah....right... doubt it... maybe you saw someone once that you thought was gay, and they ended up standing 10 feet away from you, but that doesnt mean you understand anything about anything. much less understanding a persons personal life story.

      your a sad individual, and the movie is specifially targeting people just like you. you missed the point. which, in and of itself, reveals your utter incompetance and inability to comprehend information in a rational, objective way.

      personally, im straight, and i dont even want to hang out with stupid fukcs like you. your the kind of guy that i would fight at the bar for being the loud ignorant jackass thats always trying to show off your bravado. your lame.

      please, go away to your isolated little community, where everyone is scared and angry at any thing that is different. go back to your cave and beat your wife, go rot.

      the world needs less of you.

  • Posted By: Bluebird7207 @ 07/10/2009 5:31:04 PM

    Wait, I live in the Fort Smith area. First it is not a small Southern town, it is the second largest city in Arkansas. Second, if two men dance together in a non-gay bar almost anywhere in this country, unfortunately they can expect a bad reaction. Also, if you put together an event especially designed to attract the worst element in any city, odds are you will attract that element, and they will act as you plan. But saying an entire town is homophobic is short sighted. I could sit here and say, All New Yorkers are rude elitists, I actually met one once so I know that to be true. Everyone I know in San Francisco is gay, so I guess I can say everyone who lives there is gay. I met a couple of people from Texas and they were both drunk, so I can assume that everyone in Texas are alcoholic. I was born in Fort Smith, I am registered Democrat, support a Woman's right to choose, have an Obama 'O8 bumper sticker on my car and consider myself a liberal. I guess that means according to Ms. Ball, I don't exist.

  • Posted By: Cogent91 @ 07/10/2009 3:35:27 PM

    As someone FROM Ft. Smith, no this honestly is not representative. Yes, there are plenty of hicks/rednecks/generally ignorant and stupid people around here but they aren't anywhere near the majority. If you target advertising to a set type of crowd, that is what you are going to get. Its unfair to typecast all of Ft. Smith (hardly a "small town" with over 100,000 people) as some backwoods den of homophobia. Most unfortunately it is the bible belt around here so yes progress has come slower. But on the same Main Street the bar is where the deplorable incident of the gay couple being booed out of likely took place is also now a gay bar, complete with a rainbow colored Budweiser sign at the front (Ok, it is hard to escape the southern influence entirely...).

    As an Arkansan, it is tiring constantly being stereotyped as ignorant illiterate hicks with the intellectual depth of poorly crafted caricatures unworthy of even the slightest respect. I'm southern, and proud of it, but that doesn't mean I'm a zealous christian, in any way homophobic, a gun touting redneck, or even Republican for that matter. What I am is an atheist libertarian with socialist leanings (An odd mix, I know) who does happen to know how to handle firearms well but I don't believe that's a "God given right," a pacifist, and I've been an active war-protester for years. As for the Southern part of me however, what I am big on is respect given to any and everyone by default as a matter of common decency. These crowds being disrespectful to the the gay couple, that is terribly embarrassing for me. A crowd not so stupid as to fail to realize they'd been disrespected when a homosexual encounter begins in what was supposed to have been a demonstration of MMA fighting skills, I'm a little bit less but still slightly embarrassed at their being irate at a scene I probably would have just laughed my as* off to.

    The simple truth is the Cohen team tried to instigate a set response, and they succeeded in getting it. The homosexual element was the obvious facet being used to illicit a negative response from them, so predictably the rowdiest members of a drunken crowd used that facet to hurl back insults. To them, they'd already been insulted by being lured there on false pretenses and I can guarantee you a good number weren't oblivious to fact that they were having a joke pulled at their expense. Of course they were mad. I just wish they'd either found a better way of expressing their indignation or better yet would've been quick enough to get a good laugh out of the joke instead of playing so completely into its trap.

    That all being said, am I still going to go see Bruno? God yeah, lol.

  • Posted By: FallenAngelII @ 07/10/2009 11:06:23 AM

    @ conversative dad

    There's a different between not finding anything funny about something and hurling slurs, epithets and committing acts of violence against them. You using the highly derisive slur "queer" for no reason other than to denigrate gay people. So what if they're flamboyant? What business is it to you? You repeated the word "queer" again and again, probably knowing fully well that it is a slur.

    Are they forcing themselves onto you on the streets, harassing you, forcing you to talk to them? If I see someone preaching Christianity on the street, I don't walk up to them and confront them, I just walk away. It's not my thing but it shouldn't really matter to me because what they are doing is not hurting anyone.

    So what if you've worked with gay people before? "I have gay friends". Whoppity do. You refuse to spend your free time with them, which is telling. Also, in the work place, there is sometimes talk about what people do in the bedroom, gay or straight. If you're against it period, fine. But it's not a big "gay" thing to bring it up. Some people do it, others do not, regardless of gender or sexuality. If you dislike it, just don't participate in the discussion. The fact that you had to bring it up further proves that you are a homophobe.

    As for the movie, I'm pretty sure it doesn't try to portray Ft. Smith as EXTRA homophobic. It's merely showing that homophobia exists everywhere and uses Ft. Smith as the backdrop for one of its segments. You cannot deny that Ft. Smith doesn't have homophobes and rampant homophobia. Just look at the gay couple portrayed in this article (being booed off a dance floor (and apparently no one stood up to them)) and the fact that you yourself live there.

    You believe that marriage is between a man a woman. Why? Because God said so? God also told you to stone your kids if they ever disrespect you, to treat your wife as a slave and that it's OK for male soldiers to abduct, rape and force-marry women when they're fighting in wars. Do you condone all that? No? Then what gives you the right to choose what in the Bible to follow blindly and what to dismiss as "Jesus told us that does not matter anymore"?

    There is absolutely no logical reason for wanting to be against gay marriage. No, "God says so" is not a logical reason, it is a religious reason. And why should YOUR religion impose on EVERYONE ELSE?

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