Why Fears Of A Muslim Takeover Are All Wrong

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  • Posted By: Tregwyneth @ 07/13/2009 3:24:45 PM

    In order to rectify the damage to NEWSWEEK's credibility by this ludicrously uninformed and unresearched article, will the magazine now cover a very real threat to the US with the announcement that Hizb-ut-Tahrir, a terrorist organization which seeks the establishment of a worldwide Caliphate and seeks to encourage Moslems to undertake Jihad against the West, will be holding a conference in Illinois in the near future?
    http://www.investigativeproject.org/1088/pro-terror-group-to-meet-in-chicago-suburb

    • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 07/16/2009 8:23:27 AM

      TREG, that is thier ultimate goal. A moslem CALIPHATE stretching from Bali to Barcelona. Now here in the US. Thanx for the info, it will be posted.

    • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/15/2009 4:34:45 PM

      Great comment. I would only correct you that : "Hizb-ut-Tahrir, a terrorist organization," is, specifically, an ISLAMIC Terrorist organization (you know, the "religion of peace" - LOL!). ISLAMIC. ISLAMIC. ISLAMIC. Don't hesitate to say the word, enlightened people. Islam is as much a "religion of peace," as there's human habitation on Neptune. Islam has ALWAYS been a political ideology of persecution of others, has nothing whatsoever to do with peace.

      Yes, you're right. The writer, Underhill, is "ludicrously uninformed and unresearched." No doubt about that. But, you know, he's a Democrat, and so must be PC at all costs! We're so on to you, Underhill. No wonder you're "Under," you have no idea what's happening above ground. You're a mole, an ostrich. Pity Newsweek - it's finished as a credible news-source. Political Correctness has destroyed it.

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 07/16/2009 8:13:16 AM

    Why take the chance? Thats a whole lotta moslems to keep ur eye on. MI5 cannot keep up with the number of plots, people etc. THATS not a problem?

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 07/16/2009 7:57:06 AM

    LOL!! Look at the birthrates nut. Europe is being sucked dry by moslem immigrants, leaving those countries to spend less of thier $$ on defense. Wilders is RIGHT. Annihilation, NOT assimilation is thier ultimate goal. Send them back from where they came.

  • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/13/2009 10:17:05 AM

    "America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles ??? principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings." -- Barack Obama, Cairo, June 4, 2009

    This is just one of the more egregious lies our Mohammedan president told about Islam.

    The truth: Islam is 100% intolerant, couldn't give a fig about "justice," esp. justice for females in their God-forsaken societies, and "dignity of all human beings?" LOL! Islam's goal is to KILL all other human beings who aren't Islamic. And "progress?" Hahahahaha! Islam is still stuck in the 7th century AD, it hasn't progressed one whit and doesn't want to. In fact, they want to bring us all back to their Dark Ages.

    No, America and Islam do NOT "overlap," and they do NOT "share common principles."

    Good God - to have such a Liar as a president. But, he's got Muslim sympathies - his family in Africa is Muslim - so he lies to make it appear as though Islam is "morally equivalent" to Judaism and Christianity. NO, IT'S NOT. Islam is a mass-murder political ideology that we have every right to both fear and despise.

    • Posted By: gusdicksin @ 07/13/2009 4:24:29 PM

      Is this based on your extensive travel in the Middle East, your intensive reading on the subject, or your large number of Muslim friends? I think not - this is exactly the sort of ignorant screed that we have heard time and again about every immigrant group (first it was the Irish, then it was the Italians, then it was the Asians). There is a great diversity in Muslim societies, and while Muslims have killed in the name of religion, so have Christians. Just ask Dr. Tiller.

      • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/13/2009 11:28:46 PM

        You're an idiot. Obviously. You don't know anything. As for the example of Dr. Tiller you keep repeating, people get murdered everywhere. However, 9/11? 3,000 people died you idiot. Comparing the murder of one person is not the same as the Islamic Jihad of September 11, 2001. You're ignorant.

        • Posted By: gusdicksin @ 07/14/2009 12:23:24 AM

          If by idiot you mean "scholar sho knows quiet about the Muslim world and its history" then you are absolutely correct. What I notice about your posts is that they are long on bombast and short on facts. The facts are these:

          1.) Islam's history is more complicated than a 1,400 year reign of terror and violence. There are places and times where Muslim regimes were tolerant and peaceful and other times and places where they were not. The same could be said of Christian regimes.

          2.) September 11th was committed by a small group of Muslims. Saying their attitudes and goals represent the entire muslim world is absurd. Where is your proof?

          How about instead of calling names you read a book?

          • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/14/2009 8:52:46 AM

            How about you read a few books, and face reality at the same time?

            "I have been made victorious through terror." - Muhammed (Bukhari 4:52.220)

            Islam is a Terrorist ideology and Muhammed is the first Islamic Terrorist.

            Anyone who denies otherwise is an ostrich, unable to face reality.

            In your misguided defense of Islam, you are also defending Fascism and Nazism. Man, you are dumb.

            • Posted By: mkf1 @ 07/14/2009 12:58:22 PM

              Save the West. You will not succeed with your lies. There is no such book or quotation. Off to the psychologist with you.

              • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/15/2009 10:06:28 AM

                "There is no such book or quotation."

                WHAT??!!! You ignoramus. Google "Bukhari" and see what you find. Then, google "I have been made victorious through terror,"muhammed, and see what you find.

                Man, you are 100% uninformed and ignorant. That quote by Mohamet is Islam 101. Knowing who Bukhari is is Islam 101.

                When you see your shrink today at the mental hospital, ask him for meds to cure ignorance.

  • Posted By: burbank @ 07/14/2009 4:04:27 AM

    After reading this article, what I take away from it is the realization that the Europeans may be finally "getting it". After all, they are the ones who have been living this nightmare, seeing their countries, their history, and way of life subjugated to an Islamic ideology that does not tolerate any form of dissension. Muslims do not assimilate into their host country because they do not want to. Their allegiance lies with the teachings of their prophet and of the Quran. Islam is not just a religious entity, but a political one as well that encompasses the Muslim identity, and is the prism with which they view the world. You cannot co exsist with Islam. You either submit, you are subjucated, or you are put to the sword. Europe, by rediscovering the past and reclaiming their heritage, have put on notice those who would attempt to destroy their future.

  • Posted By: rubiconcrest @ 07/13/2009 11:28:57 PM

    Islam is Islam. Europeans seem to be getting the message. They live there. I'd say give the growing percentage there who recognize the threat Islam brings some credit. Don't just brush off their concerns. I think the author is doing just that. The growing pushback in Europe is happening for many good reasons.

  • Posted By: BostonPatriot @ 07/12/2009 9:22:08 AM

    Unbelievable. The author actually cites the figures that 0% of the Muslim in Britain are willing to accept homosexuality, and 30% of Muslims in France are, as evidence that there's no real problem with integration. I think it's very reasonable to say that "Muslims won't take over Europe," but it's quite another thing to say that there won't be wide scale ethnic violence or civil wars---the author did little to convince me of that. It certainly isn't necessary for restive minority populations to reach an absolute majority in numbers before they can wreak havoc on a society, particularly when they're concentrated in urban areas. The author looks at the conflict through the eyes of a modern Western secularist, and he comforts himself with the idea that since Muslims are not united politically or religiously, then they can't be a threat. Did he ever stop to ask the question as to what percentage of Muslims would choose loyalty to their European country over their co-religionists? That's a poll question whose answers would certainly be too unsettling for the author, I'm sure. Again, the whole problem with Muslims in Europe is that the Euro lefties truly had no respect for Islam. They were filled with such hubris, that they just assumed that the Muslims would WANT to integrate. Even now, many in the west can't grasp the concept that many Muslims, educated and intelligent, would prefer traditional Islamic values to Western liberal ones. So the Western lefties are forced to cling to either the idea that "Muslims really prefer Western values to their own", or "there really is no conflict between Western values and Islamic ones." Both of these statements are false, and clinging to them will only magnify the trouble ahead.

    • Posted By: froy1100 @ 07/13/2009 6:44:41 AM

      Civil war?? what are you smoking? We are talking about a very diverse and disperse minority that accounts for less than 5% of the total population and is not even predicted to reach 10% in the next 5 decades. How do you make civil war like that? The worst threat can come from terrorist attacks from fanatical elements (a threat that any kind of fanatical group can pose, no matter their religion or their size), or riots like those in France in 2005. Not an existential threat, precisely. Drop the scaremongering, please.

      • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/13/2009 9:23:21 AM

        It's YOU that's "smoking."

        BostonPatriot's analysis is 100% correct. Muslims have already had a huge negative impact on Western societies, and it's just going to get worse the more their numbers increase. The FIRST loyalty of Muslims - Muslims anywhere - is to the Qur'anic doctrines of Jihad and Islamic Supremacism. End of story,

        As for your buzz word "scaremongering," BostonPatriot is simply speaking the truth, and yes, concerning that truth, we SHOULD be scared, very scared. Legitimately scared, as the goal of Islam is to subjugate and kill all non-Moslems.

        • Posted By: gusdicksin @ 07/13/2009 4:27:06 PM

          Where is your evidence that muslims' first allegiance is to some farcial muslim empire? Isn't that exactly like saying Catholics can't be Americans because of their allegiance to the Vatican (hint: the answer is yes, and that's exactly what some Americans said in the 19th century). The muslims are not taking over Europe any time soon.

  • Posted By: Tregwyneth @ 07/13/2009 3:12:06 PM

    The statement by this woefully uneducated writer of the article, that European countries have closed the gates to Moslem immigration (more correctly, an invasion) ignores the machinations of the largely unaccountable totalitarian EU which has agreed through its 'Union of the Mediterranean' to allow 65 MILLION North African Moslems into Europe from 2010 onwards. It should be noted that the EU agreed back in the 1970s (when still the EEC) to grant unrestricted immigration of Moslem peoples into their countries in return for the guarantee by the oil-producing ME countries of unlimited access to oil for Europe. Given Islam's historical and doctrinal hostility to all other ideologies and its ingrained doctrines of warfare and inequality through its Sharia law, this actually amounts to a genocide against European peoples --- their religion, their race, their cultures, their laws and values --- which also contravenes the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The stage is set for real tragedy in Europe and America, with its own illegal alien problem, should not delude itself over the growing presence of Moslems and their value system on American liberties.

  • Posted By: Hans Hand @ 07/13/2009 11:25:37 AM

    "Alert to the public mood, European governments, which are now almost entirely center-right, have been slamming doors to further immigration from Muslim countries and elsewhere, and have reinforced the message that Muslim Turkey is not welcome in the European Union."

    No they haven't - do your research properly. France and Germany have offered Turkey a 'privileged partnership' which the Turks say they will reject. However, other EU countries including Sweden, Finland, Italy, Poland and Portugal support Turkey's accession, while in the UK all the major parties support it.

    Curious too that you find statistics on Muslim demographics unreliable indicators - statistics based on "diplomatic and media reporting as well as government, academic, and other sources." - yet you seem to take real comfort from attitude surveys - surveys which are generally about as reliable as the English weather.

    I would say that it's worrying to find journalism this shoddy in Newsweek, but this is what many people, including myself, have come to expect from the mainstream media when reporting on Islam.

  • Posted By: suhail_shafi @ 07/13/2009 1:20:02 AM

    Thi s article is an excellent analysis of the realities facing contemporary Europe with regards to its immigrants, Muslims included, and is a perfect, factual antidote to some of the hysterical nonsense we see in some of the right wing media and press on both sides of the Atlantic.

    Face it - with the large numbers of Eastern Europeans coming into Western Europe, the majority of immigrants to Europe are NOT Muslim and in any case the demographics from the above article prove that Muslims are going to be a sizeable minority in the future - but a minority nevertheless.

  • Posted By: eliasx @ 07/13/2009 12:01:32 AM

    ???Eurabia??? is not a myth, as William Underhill claims in ???Why Fears of a Muslim Takeover Are All Wrong??? (July 20). The term itself was conceived 40 years ago by delusional French policymakers dreaming of a French-led Euro-Mediterranean Union and European revival.

    Islamic imperialism has targeted Europe for conquest since the first Arab siege of Constantinople at the end of the 7th century; i.e., 1,335 years ago. Numerous Muslim leaders and Islamic scholars have recently heralded Europe???s inevitable conquest through Muslim immigration and population growth (though none is so naïve as to assume a 2025 target date). This, and the fact that Islamists have actively been engaged in a ???Grand Jihad??? to destroy Western civilization for several decades, suggests a revival of Islamic expansionism is well underway.

    One does not have to be on the ???far right,??? a ???conservative??? or a ???rabble-rouser??? to see the writing on the wall or, for that matter, in Islamic scriptures, their traditional interpretation, and in Islam???s historical record of aggressive conquest and supremacist proclivities. It is the height of folly to disregard someone???s declaredly divine mandate to takeover your house.

  • Posted By: JayK20 @ 07/12/2009 11:26:15 PM

    underhill you are a dhimmi

  • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/12/2009 11:14:29 PM

    Wilders, Steyn, Savage and Blankley - they are all correct.

    Underhill - Wrong, wrong, wrong.

  • Posted By: ross1972 @ 07/12/2009 9:19:36 PM

    For a look into the future consider the Christian communities in the now islamic sphere who have been persecuted and discriminated against by the muslims for centuries and who dare not even raise their heads to protest for fear it be cut off.Christians(and jews) have lived in syria,lebanon,jordan,iraq,turkey,egypt,yemen,palestine,india,saudi arabia etc for centuries before islam came to these countries and they were forced to be dhimmis in their own lands.Mohammed himself expelled,enslaved and killed the jews of medina and khybar who had welcomed him when he fled mecca for his life.muslims never revered jerusalem as one of their holy cities after the jews opposed mohammed, and faced mecca to pray after mohammed changed his mind.The only reason jerusalem became important to them was because they believed he had travelled there by miracle on his night journey to the furthest mosque(there were no mosques there).Later,after conquering the city a mosque was built by the umayyads and called the furthest mosque after the fact.Muslims are now entering europe and attemting the cow the local christians and outnumbered jews in an attempt to eventually control these lands in the same way they did others where they immigated to,peacefully and quietly at first and then became vocal and violent when they were numerous enough.Europe needs to wake up to the reality that integration is failing and in fact has back fired on them.Pope John Paul 2 had asked once for reciprocity of religious freedom and tolerance in the east as it was done in the west,he should have save his breath and realised that that is not how islam operates.They will settle for nothing less than everything,leaving the crumbs only for the infidels that know their place.

  • Posted By: bricko @ 07/12/2009 5:53:11 PM

    So a trend predicated upon current behavior is "speculation upon speculation", but a belief (stated without supporting evidence) that current behavior will change the way you think it will is far more scientific and rational?

    The Newsweek piece falls into the same wishing-will-make-it-so category as this British news story:

    POLICE will be ordered not to charge Muslim extremists in many hate crime cases ??? to stop them becoming more militant.

  • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/12/2009 5:38:49 PM

    Underhill is incapable of seeing into the future. Plus, he doesn't know anything about Islam, despite all of the mass-murder Islamic Jihads in the early 21st century.

    What's it like to wear blinders, Underhill?: I wouldn't know. I see clearly, as do the majority of Commenters on your article, as perhaps you have noticed.

  • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/12/2009 5:12:12 PM

    By: Tregwyneth @ 07/12/2009 3:10:48 PM

    "In Britain, last month it was announced that the 'immigrant' population's birth-rate (meaning: Moslem) has increased TEN TIMES that of the native British population in the past four years."

    Oh, England is finished. It's now "Englandistan." London is finished - it's now "Londonistan."

    The over-breeding-like-rabbits Mohammedans have purposely seen to that. It's called "Demographic Jihad." People - visit England before it's completely too late, in about 20 years, when it will be the "Islamic Republic of Great Britainstan."

    DEMOGRAPHIC JIHAD, PEOPLE. WE MUST STOP IT, JUST LIKE WE DID THE NAZIS.

  • Posted By: downsteamjim @ 07/12/2009 5:10:55 PM

    Imagine if a demographer in 1970 had predicted that in a little more than 30 years Latinos would outnumber blacks in the U.S. Of course, Underhill may go the way of the Hitler Diaries or the Jupiter Effect.

  • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/12/2009 5:03:40 PM

    "Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of Allah, they will slay and be slain." -- Qur'an 9:111

    Brace yourself for more 9/11's and other Global Islamic Jihads (mass-murder), People - because, due to this verse, THEY WILL HAPPEN. You thought Mumbai was the end? Not a chance. You can bet the Islamic Jihadists are planning right now for yet another "holy war" against the Infidel (that's us). They'll never stop - Jihad is eternal, never-ending, for-all-time.

  • Posted By: Save the West @ 07/12/2009 4:49:35 PM

    En masse Mohammedan immigration coupled with their over-breeding is destroying Western Europe.

    But, that's the goal of Islam - to dominate, not assimilate. Hey Underhill - your descendants will no longer be able to visit a charming Western Europe. Instead, the countries will all be Islamized, and so turned into oppressive and totalitarian, 100% intolerant, Fascist Cesspools. Hey Thanks, Underhill! You idiot.

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