Echoes of Vietnam

Even the Coalition commanders in Afghanistan wonder if they can win the war.

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  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 07/17/2009 5:57:31 PM

    KILLING INNOCENT MUSLIMS IN AFG VILLAGES WILL NOT AFFECT THE PAKI NUKES OR THE IRANIAN NUKES EITHER -IT WILL ONLY SEND MORE MINCED AMERICAN BODY BAGS IN SHAME TO AMERICA

    • Posted By: Faruq @ 08/20/2009 1:34:16 AM

      It is the Taliban who are killing there own people.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 07/18/2009 4:48:52 AM

    The US in its endeavour to be the master of this world has ignored its own destitutes. There are many poor people in the US. There are many homeless and people without proper healthcare. Several states are at the brink of bankcruptcy. Yet the US is continuing its slaughter of human beings in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Unfortunately there are too many Americans who want to kill others and still support the cruelty of the government and the wasted death of so many US soldiers. Most of the soldiers are actally desperate for money and some just want to gain quick US citizenship while the actual pepetrators are sitting on their fat ass in the comforts of their homes. This includes the arm chair commentators.

    This is the major factor why the US will be defeated in Afghanistan just like the previous invader; the USSR and the US failure in Vietnam. The US soldiers fought for money and they have no worthwhile purpose of fighting the wars. Many US soldiers have commited suicide and have gone mad. Some have continued creating mayhem in their home towns after returning back with mental problems.

    The US has no right to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush started the wars and don't put the blame on Obama. The Afghans are only fighting back the invaders with whatever means possible. How can Afghanistan be a sovereign nation when the US installed its puppet there?

    The US will eventually fail as history has proven in so many occassions.

    • Posted By: Faruq @ 08/20/2009 1:33:27 AM

      A little over exagerated here. Millions of villager? really? It is the Taliban who are killing a majority of the civilians with indescrimnate use of IED,s . And do you really think Afghanistan won WWII?

  • Posted By: jamez @ 07/20/2009 4:44:05 PM

    The middle east is the middle east, has been for 2000 years The word Democracy is non existent. Power and control are understood.
    To fight the enemy on his turf, you must fight his way. USA militrary is not prepared to fight a war down and dirty. To much politics are involved, world opinion to hell. You must be prepared to eradicate. once village chiefs face death in the night they will rethink which enemy is worse. They want their local power.. You dont BUY power, you enforce allegiance or else.
    A large military presence has no meaning with out a few bodies hanging from trees. The day of the white charger is history.

    • Posted By: Faruq @ 08/20/2009 1:31:35 AM

      didn't work so well for the Soviets..went in and destroyed entire viallages for one person.

  • Posted By: Faruq @ 08/20/2009 1:30:46 AM

    Have you seen western Pakistan...its already in the stone age

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 07/20/2009 8:59:31 AM

    I think we are attacking the wrong country. Why don't we bomb P-stan into the stone age? After all, the T-ban IS thier baby...how bout that JBZ? Go grab ur AK, and put ur money where ur mouth is. moslems ALWAYS blaming others for thier backwards culture. F-U...

    • Posted By: BOFORCE @ 07/24/2009 2:47:04 AM

      WHY DON'T WE BURRY THE WESTERN INVADERS IN AFGHANISTAN...THERE ARE ALREADY 188 BRITISH TOMMIES ARE DEAD THERE..THE ONLY PURPOSE AFGHANISTAN SERVES IS TO BE GRAVE YARD FOR ALL THE INVADERS.....AND YOU CAN'T BOMB PAKISTAN TO STONE AGE...THERE ARE TOO MANY WESTERN INTRESTS AROUND PAKISTAN WELL WITHIN THE RANGE OF PAKISTANI NUCLEAR MISSILE...THOSE COLONIAL DAYS ARE GONE....STOP THINKING LIKE A COLONIST.

      • Posted By: BOFORCE @ 07/25/2009 10:22:13 AM

        iOne more Tommy died in Afghanistan the body count goes up 189.....NO body knows that golden figure which will compell the Brits to pull out of Afganistan.

    • Posted By: BOFORCE @ 07/24/2009 2:38:36 AM

  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 07/18/2009 2:51:38 PM

    i wonder who were the brill think tank involved in the desperate afghan equation a --fiercely proud people who brought ussr to it's knees -a country that destroyed the third reich and won the WW2 -
    WITH STALINGRAD AND KURSK
    AMERICAN ADVENTURES IN KOREA AND VIETNAM WILL LOOK PETULANT ONCE THE AFGHAN DISASTER IS ANALYSED BUT THAN AMERICA WILL NOT BE A WORLD POWER BUT MAYBE A REGIONAL ENTITY IF IT IS LUCKY -
    SAD BUT TRUE -ALL IN THE MIND OF THE RIGHTEOUS THINKERS -BUT NOT THE THINK TANK WHO FAILED TO READ BASIC HISTORY LESSONS -AND RECENT ONES TOO
    millions of villagers being killed while more millions fight the troops scared of removing their armour -a truly miserable equation with no equilibrium at all heading to an abysmal doom

  • Posted By: tigerwoods @ 07/18/2009 5:46:03 AM

    The US policy of feeding the wolves continues and as expected with no tangible gains. The main aim of US in Afghanistan is to get out Taliban and Jihadists elements and not run the country. Karzai governments main aim is to stay in power with or without Taliban threat . Mr Karzai would have reckoned that he is indispensible as long as Taliban threat is there. No Taliban threat there will be no US support, no US support there will be no Karzai government.

    Same thing is happening across border in Pakistan. As long as Taliban threat remains Paki Army get money, arms and support with no questions asked. If they were to neutralize this threat then no support from US. So it makes no economic or even political sense to go whole hearted against Taliban.

    It shows powerlessness and hopelessness of US government . Karzai might as well as have spitted on Obama than to provide 600 odd troops. Pakistan army and political establishment which has lot to lose if Taliban were to further increase or escalate the activities don't even provide troops to guard the borders. Even by modest count there Pakistan can easily spare 50000 troops just to guard western border (No one is asking them to fight..just be a scare crow) So much for hammer and anvil policy.

    Mr Petreaus would do well to take hammer to foreign office and anvil to Mr President to ask for Return on Investment in keeping
    governments on both side of AF-PAK border in power and Pakistani Army in good humor. If Obama does not want to become a talk shop then he should seriously be considering this question himself.

  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 07/17/2009 6:03:11 PM

    THESE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL ALL MUSLIMS -RUSSIANS -CHINESE AND AFRICANS -THATS 4/5TH OF THE PLANET -LOLZ
    I THINK KIYAMAT YOU HIT THE RIGHT NOTE HERE -
    THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THE DAYS OF NUKING JAPAN ARE LONG GONE AND LET US SEE AMERICA TRY NUKE EVEN A VILLAGE IN AFGHAN NOW -
    IF THEY HAVE THE COURAGE THEN ACT LIKE MEN NOT THE LOATHSOME COWARDS WHO LEFT THEIR CHOPPERS TO THE VIET CONG IN 19 73 -
    WE HOPE THEY REMEMBER THAT ASS KICKING BY A SLANT EYED RACE OF WHAT THEY CALL TINY MEN -ARROGANT TRASH

  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 07/17/2009 5:55:44 PM

    OBAMA REGIME IS AKIN TO A BLACK SNAKE WHO FEEDS ON INNOCENT VILLAGERS AND IF THEY HAVE THE COURAGE WHY DO NOT THE ATTACK PAKISTAN AND IRAN AND FIGHT LIKE MEN THAN EUNUCHS -
    SHAMELESS HUSTLERS

  • Posted By: Kiyamat @ 07/17/2009 4:12:41 PM

    Friends, don't delude yourselves that what has been written by mahalapril is an isolated sentiment. It is actually the norm. So, don't be horrified that the overwhelming majority of people support this view of obliterating all Muslims in the world and probably all the Chinese and all the Africans and a few other billion people for good measure. Scratch the surface and those forwarding a final solution for barbaric people are just barbarians themselves speaking with stilted accents and wearing suits. There is no difference in the the capacity for human beings to hate eachother. Each race and religion believes in its supremacy and its right of preservation over others. Any denial of this is a deception to justify one's position over his adversary. . The nature of man is that he will always fight against those that he perceives are undeservedly better than him. This is a pendulum which will keep swinging throughout the ages. The slaughter will continue forever because that is the lot of the human race.

  • Posted By: Kiyamat @ 07/17/2009 4:12:07 PM

    Friends, don't delude yourselves that what has been written by mahalapril is an isolated sentiment. It is actually the norm. So, don't be horrified that the overwhelming majority of people support this view of obliterating all Muslims in the world and probably all the Chinese and all the Africans and a few other billion people for good measure. Scratch the surface and those forwarding a final solution for barbaric people are just barbarians themselves speaking with stilted accents and wearing suits. There is no difference in the the capacity for human beings to hate eachother. Each race and religion believes in its supremacy and its right of preservation over others. Any denial of this is a deception to justify one's position over his adversary. . The nature of man is that he will always fight against those that he perceives are undeservedly better than him. This is a pendulum which will keep swinging throughout the ages. The slaughter will continue forever because that is the lot of the human race.

  • Posted By: tonylee1973 @ 07/17/2009 11:05:06 AM

    The Iranians were helping us ou right after 9/11t. Why don't we put our pride away and ask for help?

  • Posted By: burbank @ 07/17/2009 7:02:42 AM

    To: mahalapril
    Fm: burbank
    Sir, Your recent post advocating the use of tactical nuclear weaons in Afghanistan shows a compleate lack of knowledge in the use of tactics in guerrilla warfare, and an utter contempt for human life. Have you, sir, any idea just what kind of destructive power nuclear weapons, even tactical ones, have? Do you have any idea just what would happen as a result of even one weapon being detonated? Have you considered where the prevailing winds would take the fallout? Who cleans up the mess if your mad scenario were to be enacted? The loss of prestige both at home and on the world stage could never be regained, and you can bet that it would only be a matter of time before we felt the horror of retribution and revenge at the hands of our enemies. Nuclear war is a zero-sum game. No one wins. This war can be won, but by using the enemies tactics against him. Not by whole scale slaughter and destruction. You should re-think your position, and talk to those who have been in combat and seen the horrors of war up close and personal, and then you will realize that your scenario is nothing more than a fantasy nurtured in the mind af a madman.

  • Posted By: mahalapril @ 07/16/2009 5:56:14 PM

    WE CAN NEVER WIN THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY FIGHTING A DEFENSIVE WAR. WE SHOULD USE TACTICAL NUCLEAR BOMBS TO WIPE OUT THE WHOLE POPULATION IN THE SAFE HAVENS OF PAKISTAN. WHY SACRIFICE MORE US TROOPS. THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE SAFE HAVENS IN PAKISTAN ARE USED AS HUMAN SHIELDS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THEY ARE POTENTIAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS. THEY ARE BRAINWASHED VERY EARLY IN LIFE AND THEIR ONLY PURPOSE IN LIFE IS TO KILL AS MANY INFIDELS AS THEY CAN BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY ESPECIALLY SUICIDE AND CAR BOMBINGS. Let us put an end to their misery.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 07/16/2009 6:23:56 PM

      This is a solution? Genocide? How did the Third Reich ever get by without you?

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 07/16/2009 6:21:51 PM

  • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 07/16/2009 6:19:48 PM

    "The Taliban leaders think that once the Marines and the Afghan security forces start confiscating caches of opium in people's houses???their livelihoods and the only security that they will be able to feed their children???villagers will be more than happy to help the Taliban,"

    Obvious. So don't take the opium from the farmers. Wait until the Taliban pay the farmers, and take delivery of the drugs, and THEN seize it. The Taliban thus loses the money they paid, AND the drugs, AND personnel. The stuff grows in fields of flowers, that are harvested under the open sky, vulnerable to surveillance from the air. Our clever special ops people can probably figure out ways to insert GPS tracking devices into large shipments, and see where they collect...so as to take our shot at them at whatever point in the drug-supply chain we like.

    We shouldn't still BE in Afghanistan at all, but if we're going to be, our officials at LEAST ought to avoid the biggest mistakes we made in Viet Nam.

  • Posted By: tonylee1973 @ 07/16/2009 4:29:47 PM

    There is a country that can help us out. Iran. But the zionazi lobby keeps us from doing the smart thing and asking the Iranians for help

  • Posted By: usinus @ 07/16/2009 3:42:29 PM

    No one especially the DOD & Gates will try to keep him from failing here. President Obama and WH team are in for a shock, the bodies are starting to come home this month. Obama, like Bush, love to be saluted by the troops. He like Bush before are alwaysright, salute here. What a joke, here we go again, march on Washington coming this fall if the middle class ever wakes up from the meds.

  • Posted By: Pharmer2John @ 07/16/2009 3:42:27 PM

    Well, one difference between Afghanistan and Vietnam is that one sponsored those that attacked us and the other was a result of French colonialism and America's belief in the "falling domino" theory of the spread of communism. When attacked, you must fight. The Taliban and their al quida buddies should have been eradicated 8 years ago.

  • Posted By: Dolmance @ 07/16/2009 3:29:39 PM

    Well, America better get ready for a long haul. Because to reach the level of casualties in Afghanistan that we suffered in Vietnam, we'd have to stay in country for several centuries and beyond.

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