The Most Misunderstood Man in America

Joseph Stiglitz predicted the global financial meltdown. So why can't he get any respect here at home?

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  • Posted By: stevensean @ 08/04/2009 1:03:58 PM

    A sidebar to this article in the print edition shows a continuum of economists from left (Karl Marx) to right (Milton Friedman). Also on the "far right" in the continuum is Alan Greenspan (he is called a "libertarian" in the sidebar).
    With all due respect, this reporting is either ignorant, misleading, or both. To associate Friedman and especially Greenspan with truly free markets is just false. These men support government regulation of the one good at the heart of society: money and interest. The Austrian economists of the 20th century, such as Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and others believed in free markets in money as well. These men would truly be on the right side of an accurate continuum. Today's followers of this line of economic thought include Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Gary North, and others.
    To Newsweek: please update with an accurate continuum. It is little wonder that most Americans have trouble understanding economics, and that many people blame capitalism and free markets for the problems actually caused by government intervention.

  • Posted By: Aditya Mookerjee @ 07/24/2009 5:13:11 AM

    The problem in the world is, that there is too much difference, and more people do not work together. Mr Stiglitz is aware of the shortcomings of the economy, but who wants to bet, that the problems will be around, even after Mr Stiglitz has been heeded to? If Mr Stiglitz is the 'Kynes of twenty first century', then even after the existence of the original Kynes, the world is none the better. Only if there is cooperation in the financial sector, where there is no competition, will the lot of the customer be of importance. In my opinion, the financial sector should work like one big firm, where the advancement of one does not mean it is to the disadvantage of another. Everyone must work for the other. If the world is all right, then why do we see what we do see?

  • Posted By: LaVern @ 07/23/2009 2:33:32 PM

    There's no reason why Joseph Stiglitz should be misunderstood. He believes the government should have kept the GLASS-STEAGALL ACT and there should be a balance between Commercial Banks and the Stock Market. The problem we've been having for years though is with the INVESTMENT BANKS, which have been trying to play BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. Granted, the government let some of the Investment Banks go under, there's still two of the biggest ones left. Since Fed Chm Bernanke last fall allowed Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley to become Commercial Banks, he broke quite a few laws for them to do that and they are still up to their own SWITCHEROO TRICKS. Anything goes! Definitely not consevative but whoever is contributing the most campaign money usually rules. That's why the rich are pushing the 527 Groups around Washington and no one really knows how much money they're contributing to the politicians. Even though Joseph Stiglitz is 100% correct in what he's saying, they're not paying attention to him because, like the Supreme Court says, "Money is free speech." That's why you'll continually hear the Forbes 400 continually argue about who is the richest and that's why these individuals should pay a higher federal income tax "BASED ON ABILITY TO PAY." 60% on the wealthiest 1% and 45% on the top 2%. These people think they can run an economy without unions and a fair wage. They're even against a minimum wage. They're so dumb that they've never considered the fact that if we don't get a fair wage, so first we can at least exist, with adequate food and housing, after that, we have to have some left over to buy their merchandise, which is something Henry Ford said years ago when he manufactured the Model A and the Model T Ford. He was going to pay them $5.00 an hour so they can buy his car.
    Yours truly, Disgusted Middle Class Taxpayer, Public Citizen and AARP Member, LaVern Isely

  • Posted By: professor J81 @ 07/22/2009 12:31:52 AM

    From a student of mine: Oh, did you notice the omission typo in the last sentence? Shouldn't there be the word "be" in there between "may" and "a"?

  • Posted By: Philgin @ 07/18/2009 8:33:41 PM

    If these guys are all so "smart," like Volcher, why are we in the this economic mess?

    • Posted By: professor J81 @ 07/22/2009 12:26:13 AM

      That's because Stiglitz wasn't a policy maker prior to the economic collapse; on the other hand, the not so smart economic policies of the Bush administration took the economy over the precipice. Your ad hominem comment will not stand.

    • Posted By: Mtl4u2 @ 07/18/2009 9:43:33 PM

      That was such a smart comment.

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  • Posted By: Skybox @ 07/20/2009 8:12:23 PM

    Older and Wiser is definitely the latter. Like anyone who makes sense here, he is largely ignored. So why do I waste time praising him? Because he speaks simply and directly to the core issues, poses probing and reasonable questions. I like that.

    These intelligent queries are apparently not sufficiently stupid to get any response from the six-pack (belch!!!) army who post here regularly.

    Please, answer this one question, beer readers: Is o and w correct when he postulates that an unregulated, or even lightly regulated (Free, Free at last!) market depends for integrity on the kindness of the beer barons? Is he right or are you all so saturated with the barons' produce that you think freedom is something like a wet dream (belch!!!)?

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/20/2009 9:08:17 PM

      You have noticed that weekend blogging is much like conversation late on a saturday night in the Hofbrau house, I see, Skybox. Woozy and verbose at its best. But it's also a good time, just like the Hofbrau house late on a Saturday night. Where would we be without all these eloquent opinions, even when inspired by malt and hops.

      • Posted By: Skybox @ 07/20/2009 10:00:42 PM

        Just sittin' here drinkin' to that, amigo.
        Here's to fluids of the spirit and to nocturnal emissions!

        (belch!!!)

        • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/21/2009 3:14:22 PM

          And to all a good night.

  • Posted By: Nukeboy @ 07/20/2009 9:34:30 PM

    By definition, markets don't fail. Markets simply reflect the aggregate demand for a given product, at a given price. People losing money is not a market failure. Government programs that push financial institutions to make subprime loans to people that the loaning institution KNOW won't be able to pay, has nothing to do with Adam Smith's version of market economies. It is always fun to blame the "greedy" Wall Street crowd whenever the economy goes south, but we never seem to give any credit to the negative impact that government meddling has with the economy. The US does not have a free market economy. It is only a quasi free economy.

  • Posted By: fischman @ 07/19/2009 8:47:38 PM

    Gee, olderwiser, got any more posts you need to get out? The bottom line is the reporter has a slant on the article and throws out certain facts to bolster his opinion on this economist while omitting facts that are contrary. Techie22, shame on you for your intellectual insight into other people's posts. Sheeze. The author is stating an opinion. He could've picked another well known economist and written a simiilar story. The bias of the author's view for this economist is quite obvious.

    • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/19/2009 8:52:43 PM

      Thank you for listing all the regulations that you indicate have caused our present dilemma.

      • Posted By: fischman @ 07/19/2009 10:00:10 PM

        It really is pretty simple., oldwiser. The idiots in Washington OKed loans for unqualified loan applicants so that the loans could be passed on to other lenders and investors without any accountability. Their belief was there could never be a downturn in the real estate market. Both political parties approved this for the same and sometimes different reasons. Sheeze. Madoff was not involved in these political decisions. He was just a thief.

        • Posted By: olderwiser @ 07/20/2009 9:03:58 PM

          True, except that okaying faulty loans is not regulation. And, it is well known that the SEC failed on a number of occasions to check Madoff further than they did, in which case his scheme would have been detected much much sooner. And that, of course, was a failure to regulate.

  • Posted By: archmsu @ 07/20/2009 8:39:31 PM

    Because he's not with Goldman Sachs. The rest of the country is on rice and beans and some overrated investment brokers who's job is really pointless(if you really think about it), make 3.4 billions of dollars from just April to June. Thank the US Treasury for that one since most of thier profit is from our tax-dollars. God Bless America and the "power elite," they're doing such a great job. So much for Democrats looking out for the "average" citizen!

    PS Someone from Goldman Sachs please let us know what it's like to be so greedy and soul-less, do you just around and think of ways ***-over your fellow citizens and scam tax-dollars? I hope you make alot of money because your life is meaningless.........

  • Posted By: OnionGum @ 07/20/2009 7:39:51 PM

    This one's too easy - Stiglitz is ignored by DC because he is not part of the Goldman Sachs Mafia!

  • Posted By: drewand @ 07/20/2009 4:45:43 PM

    In the imortal words of Lennie and Motorhead.., "EAT THE RICH"!!!!

  • Posted By: concerned liberal @ 07/20/2009 2:37:01 PM

    A short walk down the historical pathway to what is now the American Federal Government.

    Some time in history small groups of humans rose to evolve into clans. The clans developed into tribes. Theses clans and tribes felt the need to either defend their traditional hunting/gathering lands, or aquire more by eliminating other clans by virtue of force.

    This is the begining of the source of the political problems of both the U.S. and Europe to this very day!

    When the sirmishes for these lands were done the "leaders of the packs" were essentially the owners of the lands both old and newly aquired. Some of these lands were retained by the monarchy and some relayed to trusted warriors and family both blood and in-laws.

    As time passed all the lands of continents became the wholey under ownership of a very few who in turn controlled those peons that were the laborers and some time in there became taxpayers.

    I know, alot of stuff you already knew, but.........................

    The system in Europe was tainted by the monarchies and the power that the "haves" had over that "have-nots".

    The taxpayers had no say in their countries affairs, pay up the taxes or debters prison maybe death.

    Fast forward to the exodus to America a new land where the founding fathers chose not to divy the entirety of the land among themselves to control the rank and file people and ultimately the entire nation.

    The Boston tea party was the main hinge point of the "no taxation without REPRESENTATION" movement!

    Now-a-days, we have a system where even though our REPRESENTATIVES are democratically elected, that is the end of the democratic process.

    Now the lions share of government policy is based on law that benifits the minority almost exclusively.

    How do I know this, simple?

    The profits of the entire country have a distribution of 80%+ being gleened by 1-3% of the population!

    How do I know this, simple? Is the middle class growing or shrinking? There is now arguemnent, it is in serious decline if not completely extinct certainly on the endangered list!

    How do I know this, simple? Are wages in the U.S. growing? Aboslutely not, in fact they have been losing ground to inflation for almost 18 years!

    Ok, what does all of this b/s mean?

    • Posted By: concerned liberal @ 07/20/2009 2:39:50 PM

      CONTINUED:

      Well for starters, it means that the country that is owned equally by all of us and in the country where we all get one vote that is equal to all other votes one minisule group has not only maintained the best interests of all of the Federal governments policys and then reaped the rewards of the infrastructure that is owned equally by all.

      It means that by virtue of corruption we are now a country controlled by 1-3% of the population!

      It means that we have a functioning RULING CLASS(a true ologarcy/plutocracy) complete with the American version of kings, queens, barrons, etc that are above the concept of democracy and a government that is not above promising to REPRESENT the people and intead REPRESENTING those who "make it worth their while"!

      It means that sometime between the Eisenhower administration and now those 1-3% were taxes 90% on income over 1 million and now @ whatever a absurdly complex tax code and a hourde of expensive lawyers will allow right down to nil!

      It means that wars were fought and blood of the rank and file(few of the children of the 1-3% did their duty) was wasted on building the country to serve 1-3% of the population!

      It means that though people such as myself can become multi-millionaires (like I have)that we will be last considered by the government we pay for and that the majority is never the main concern (as in democracy)!


  • Posted By: conservativetex @ 07/20/2009 1:17:45 PM

    Stiglitz sounds to me like a typical college professor, anti-capitalist, socialist jerk !

  • Posted By: Hal Fyre @ 07/20/2009 1:07:15 PM

    Results speak louder than words. Since 1980, the economic policies of the US has been dominated by reckless deregulation and ???market??? principles. Regulations on savings and loans, commercial and investment banks, derivative trading, commodity trading and securitization were either greatly diminished, unenforced or unregulated all together. The results? The 1980s collapse of the entire S&L industry requiring billions in bailout by the government. The 2008 collapse of the financial markets and TRILLIONS in government bailouts. Oil and other commodity prices seesawing two or five fold in mere months, inflicting pain and even death around the world.

    Stiglitz is right. Successful, enduring, noble civilizations have never lasted without sound, central oversight of important economic functions to meet the common good. This is not an endorsement of totalitarian control and inefficiencies like the old Soviet Union and Maoist China. This is an advocation of the reasonable balance between free enterprise and the boundaries of public interest. Fine tuning this balance is imperfect and hard work, but it is essential. Economies that get the balance right on both sides generally endure and thrive, those who err too much either way generally fail.

    Conservatives decry this as the slippery slope to socialism. They fail to acknowledge that absolutism cuts both ways. Total deregulation and lack of social conscious can be the pathway to despotic dictatorship. After all, one could say Genghis Khan and Adolph Hitler were ultimate free marketers. They had the savvy to build their empire by acquiring the resources necessary to dominate the markets they entered, unencumbered by regulation or sense of public interest. In this regard, they would be the epitome of laissez-faire economics.

  • Posted By: FreeYourMindandtheRestWillFollow @ 07/20/2009 12:12:56 PM

    "The subprime-mortgage disaster was almost tailor-made evidence that financial markets often fail without rigorous government supervision, Stiglitz and his allies say."

    Give me a break, it wasn't Federal Reseverve monetary policy, congressional mandates, GSEs Freddie and Fannie backing of subprime loans that fostered the risky loan behaviors that led to the bubble and utlimate burst. Stiglitz is nothing more than Keynes warmed over.

  • Posted By: FreeYourMindandtheRestWillFollow @ 07/20/2009 12:12:42 PM

    "The subprime-mortgage disaster was almost tailor-made evidence that financial markets often fail without rigorous government supervision, Stiglitz and his allies say."

    Give me a break, it wasn't Federal Reseverve monetary policy, congressional mandates, GSEs Freddie and Fannie backing of subprime loans that fostered the risky loan behaviors that led to the bubble and utlimate burst. Stiglitz is nothing more than Keynes warmed over.

  • Posted By: JonBFL @ 07/20/2009 2:15:53 AM

    Wow Z, those were a lot of unsubstantiated words

    • Posted By: zidek666 @ 07/20/2009 2:42:41 AM

      Objectively observe and rationally analyze the decades of Keynesian delusionism that lead to the current socio-economic results for ample substantiation.

  • Posted By: zidek666 @ 07/20/2009 1:10:33 AM

    Stiglitz is a pompous intellectual pygmy and about as deserving of the Nobel prize as the clown Gore and the neanderthal Krugman. He is becoming better understood and that is why his ramblings are becoming moot! Keynesianism is patently false, misguided, and in essence totally criminal. It's mathematics is suspect, delusional and not based in reality.

    • Posted By: JonBFL @ 07/20/2009 2:08:55 AM

      wow, that's a lot of words there z...

  • Posted By: abadreview @ 07/20/2009 12:30:35 AM

    Somrthing tells me that the asians know a thing or two here...we should be listening to this guy more.

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