nate66, when yopu say try, I'll assume your generalization is solely for El Paso.
A Texas school district finds it has students walking across the border every day from Mexico, and kicks them out.
nate66, when yopu say try, I'll assume your generalization is solely for El Paso.
No Bugsy it is not just for El Paso, it is for Del Rio too. Have you ever lived in a border town?
No, but I'm from New York City, grew in an Hispanic neighborhood, learned fluent Englisha nd picked up French for the hell of it. How have you grown in knowledge?
I can actually see two opposite sides of this issue, coming from a background in education and having taught in Texas many years before moving into higher education here in Wisconsin.
Point 1: This feels racist to many because Latino children from Mexico are being specifically targeted. I'll admit that standing on the bridge may not have been the best way to deal with the situation. Invasive home visits where people have to prove a child lives there by showing bedding and toys doesn't sound fair either. I understand this is a highly Latino school district but this smacks of racial profiling. Are whites being treated the same way from other areas? It may only be 10% white but you have to present this as fairly as possible and that means investigating all children who go to the school, not just a segment of Latino kids. I absolutely understand why some parents in Mexico want their kids educated in the US. They know that learning English and getting an education are of primary importance for their children to have a better life than what they've had. I think we all want that for our kids.
Point 2: Having said that, I have to put on my educator hat. I know how school districts work. More importantly, I know how funding works. School districts are, in the main, funded by local property tax revenues, then they receive state aid, and a small (7% or so) pot of federal dollars for Title programs (these are also allocated by the state). Students who do not reside in the school district and do not pay school fees in order to go to that school district (or have that money transferred under an open enrollment rule from another school district) contribute nothing financially to the operating cost of the district. Homeowners pay property taxes. Those who live in apartments contribute to the landlords, who pay property taxes. Businesses pay property taxes. The state usually contributes a per-student expenditure (not sure what it is in Texas because I left there 13 years ago and the funding formula has changed). The point is, if students do not live in the district their families are contributing nothing to the equation and yet they are sharing in the resources of the district. This may have reached a breaking point in Del Rio. So it may seem unfair but the district officials may simply be trying to preserve the education of students who live in the district by making sure the limited resources they have go to them. They may not have gone about it in the most positive way possible but I'm not exactly sure how I would have gone about it either.
Thank you onwisconson. Another thing I would like to point out is that when these kids from Mexico come to our schools in Del Rio there is no parental involvement, now keep in mind these are the same parents that WANT their kids to come to the schools over here. I have friends who are teachers and they say that the parents of the kids who come from Mexico never show up for conferences and never aknowledge notes that are sent home, they give fake phone numbers so reaching them by phone is not possible. If these parents are sending their kids here because they want a better education for them they need to be willing to be involved in that process and not just drop them off and pick them up and then at the end of the school year wonder why their child did not pass.
Thank God someone has finally put poor American kids first. How can our leadrers worry more about illegals than American kids? This should be done everywhere, it is time we put American children first in our schools period.
Finally peopel are seeing the problems in border towns. Maybe El Paso will start doing this. Why do that get to cross and enjoy our programs supported by tax payers. They also should try learning english. And dont tell me they all try. I live in El Paso and its almost impossible to get a job without knowing spanish.
Nate I know just what you mean about the job situation. If you are not bi-lingual in Del Rio you can forget about getting a decent job; however if you only speak Spanish you can get a job with no problem. People who don't live in a border town or who have never lived in a border town don't have a clue what it is like and I am not just talking the language issue.
The Mexican children aren't covering the American kids' ears... Nobody is being put first here; they're just making sure we all know who's last.
GOOD!!! GOOD!!! GOOD!!! iT'S A START!!! We may just be able to SAVE The United States of America!!!
We need to SECURE the Northern and Southern Borders. We need to keep our tax-funded education for American kids. This will keep our tax burden smaller. We need to keep health care from illegal immigrants too to keep hospitals from being forced into bankruptcy. We need to to deport all the criminal illegal aliens along with the standard Javiers who disregard our borders and cross.
You see that's the ignorace I'm talking about, jala3. cyfi, America is bigger than this union of 50 states. Sorry to disappoint you. They are our responsibility, which is why I disagreed with our President receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. Last I checked, Honduras and Venezuela were problems on our doorstep, he's not willing to get involved in.
I am not ignornat and I don't appreciate you implying that I am BugsyParis. Everyone has gotten way off track about this article. The fact remains that the law states you must reside in Del Rio to go to Del Rio schools. That is pretty cut and dry, plain and simple.
hlgns my great grandparents on my mom's side were immigrants but they came here legally and became citizens and were happy to learn English and spoke it quite well according to my mother. My dad's ancestors came to the US back in the 1700's (I have a great aunt who has done extensive geneology research on our family) and they came from England so they already knew English. If you don't live in a border town, as I do (I live in Del Rio) then you have no idea what goes on down here. Most of them who come across from Acuna do not try to better themselves. I know people who have family who live over there by choice, they don't want to move from Mexico but they want all the "free" that they can get over here on this side of the border...it goes on day in and day out here.
But again, bottom line is that if these parents want to go to school here they have to live in Del Rio, unless of course they want to send their children to one of the private schools here in Del Rio and pay tuition because the private schools are not going to allow them to attend for free.
jala3, well when you put it that way, you're right. If you follow the rule of law. Justice may even dictate it so. As I've stated earlier, I don't mind people disagreeing with me or even agreeing with me as I'm agreeing with you; just don't use spurious arguments, racist comments and other things like stereotypes one may want to add on to their points like saying they (making a generalization) don't want to learn the new langauge or are rude etc., etc. My experience is different with my students who are learning the language and are not so much rude, so much as intimidtated by U.S.A. culture. Maybe those crossing the border show themselves in that light, I don't think people are inherently evil and that is not my experience with them.
jala3, after reading your comments, I notice you seem a little perturbed by these developments. If I were you, which I'm not, I would learn their language and try to understand why they do that. But then again, I'm not you, I'm not particularly known for being especially with people from other cultures, but then again, I'm originally from NYC. I just happen to be learning French for 5 years, even though it is not anywhere near my native tongue, just so I can engage the Haitian community in South Florida in the future. I come to realize how some of us really don't want to learn. How some of us are afraid of what we do not know. Around where I am, they are called illegals, where you are, they may be you. We are all insecure, what divides us is how we treat that insecurity socially.
Yes, I am a bit perturbed. My father was POW in WWII in Germany and if not for men like my father we could all very well be speaking German in this country. I was born in the USA and I was educated in English. I should not have to learn another language to cater to those who live across the border is my point. If I go to Mexico to shop I should and do not expect that everyone will know English and cater to me. What's more is the fact that the Spanish they teach in the schools is "proper Spanish" and is not the dialect they speak here in Del Rio, which called "Tex-Mex".
jala3, what do ya know Haitians don't speak French and neither do Cajuns, but French will help me interact and get to know them better, because knowledge, not ignoreance is power. The more I know, the more I got. I'm sorry about your father, my great grandfather was macheted to death at Palonegro during the Thousand Days War on the Conservative side, we remain very proud of him. Back to languages though, I don't see it as catering, I see it as empowering and an opportunity. Perhaps I simply see things more positively than you do, in that case my illegal immigrant mother was correct when she raised me to believe everything was mental. I simply give more than I ask to receive, I'll attribute that to my Catholic upbringing which did stick. I ask for no one to feel sorry for me, I have a brain and the opportunity to better myself, so I do. It's that simple. I served my country; I'm a disabled Veteran and I'm concerned with what some would consider Fascist rhetoric towards my race and the moral decay of the country I served. Again, I look towards the future with hope and not behind with regret.
We can dance around this all we want... Simple it comes down to either them or us.
If you don't belong here...You should not be here. It's that simple.
Many don't want the United States to be overrun by poor, uneducated Mexicans. Why can't people just say that outloud? Racist? Please,how many of you live in a muti-neighborhood? (by choice)?
Would you want your school to be taken over by a group of people who don't even try to learn English?
If you want to see what the United States is going to be like in 2030-Just look at California...Today.
Sad, huh?
chances are your grandparents or great grandparents where "illegals" too that most likely didnt know english and faced the same kind of scrutiny that you know project. those "illegals" helped found this country, those same kind of "illegals" now perform the work that most americans refuse to do out of pride, and for half as much while working just as hard if not more diligently. and guess what? they are happy to just be here, to be away from civil war, from drug cartels, from squalid conditions... they are just trying to do the same thing that you and i are trying to do... that is, better yourself, your life, your family, and your future.
face it, this country is built on the backs of immigration. or have we forgotten about "landing on plymouth rock"? have we forgotten the saying "give me your poor, your sick, your hungry"? have we forgotten that this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and instead see it as UNITED STATES AGAINST ANYTHING NON-"AMERICAN"?
dont even try to learn english...... hmmm how do you know this? did you goto all their homes and spy on them? them comeing to american schools is proof the are tryin to learn our language, but then you say get out...?? what is it do u want them to learn our language or just stay out of your god given white land?
Most of them do NOT try to learn English. Don't tell me different...I live in this town and it caters to the Spanish speaking popultion. I was told I had to be bi-lingual at every place I applied for a job but you can go into stores in the mall here and there are clerks who only speak Spanish. Why don't they have to be bi-lingual??
Jala3, scary. Texas may be different as capitalism has made it so. Some government intervention would be nice to make things more equitable. For instance requiring a universal English, Constitution, and History examinationfor all residents in the state. I'm sure some native Texan residents would flunk, but I mean that as no offense, some people in my state would flunk too. Flunk as many times before maintaing residency with its benefits. I married a legal immigrant and she thinks its preposterous that the U.S. government requires her to know certain things that its own residents don't even know. Anybody know who fought in the American Civil War of 1861. Stuff like that. Let's be equitable and declare war on stupidity. Anyone for instance that doesn't even know what Treaty (supposedly) ended the Mexican War should be flogged, have their citzenship suspended, and not allowed to comment on this post until they get a true sense of Americanism. I don't mind people who disagree with me, but don't use spurious arguments based on what you think or perceive this to be about if one has not even set foot in Texas, for example. Last comment point is ONLY directed toward those posting that have never even set foot in Texas. One can't be too proud to simply say, "I don't know enough to possibly make a judgemet on such an important issue."
Bugsy, I am not sure what post you are referring to. I am stating facts about living in Del Rio, Texas, which happens to be the town in this article.
Don't even try to compare the great state of California to Texas dude. Especially to support your ignorant rants. No wonder we Californians can't stand people from Texas.
These kids are obviously not coming to this country unlawfully, if not Homeland Security at the border would detain them on a daily basis. I think what has some people mad is the fact that there are children across the border that make an effort to come to school in a different country , when they cannot get there American children off their XBOX's or quit texting long enough to pay attention in school and take advantage the system that they pay taxes to upkeep. I would rather have my tax money spent on education for a willing child than having my hard earned tax money given to corrupt banks and fortune 500 crooks.
Keller, TX
Did you not read the article? It is about NOT LIVING IN THE DISTRICT THEY ARE GOING TO SCHOOL IN!!! Since you live in Keller, your kids are not going to Plano High, they are not attending school with anyone who lives at The Parks, they are not attending any schools in Carrollton or Farmers Branch.
if they live in mexico but are comeing across the border legally then their school district would be the closest school to that border which is the school that kicked them out... this is clearly a fight against immigrants not about district lines!
No their closest school district would be the one in their own country, not across the border!
Posted By: fonzgarcia @ 10/08/2009 1:56:42 PM
These kids are obviously not coming to this country unlawfully, if not Homeland Security at the border would detain them on a daily basis. I think what has some people mad is the fact that there are children across the border that make an effort to come to school in a different country , when they cannot get there American children off their XBOX's or quit texting long enough to pay attention in school and take advantage the system that they pay taxes to upkeep. I would rather have my tax money spent on education for a willing child than having my hard earned tax money given to corrupt banks and fortune 500 crooks.
Keller, TX
You are wrong about them being detained at the border. You can go to the Walmart or HEB here any day of the week and see dozens of cars that are from Mexico, they come here to shop on a daily basis. What makes you think they couldn't bring their kids over to go to school? Have you ever lived in a border town? Have you ever lived in Del Rio?
again you should be thanking these mexicans for comeing to your town shopping in your town and therefore provideing money to your towns economy!
Thank them? They come here and are rude as all get out....they will run you over in the grocery store and they will cut in line and act like they are better than you; they will glare and sneer and just dare you to say something to them. No, I will NOT thank them!
Well, i guess the folks you refer to illegally drive their cars across the fortified border crossing with barricades,agents with weapons , K-9s and a bunch of itchy trigger fingers are the ones that cross everyday. Please the agents on the border are smarter than you think. You can cross everyday, back and forth if you have the proper paperwork. Oh, they come over to work everyday to jobs that other Americans dont want to do. Dont lose sight of the issue, these kids are willing to come to learn and obviously get decent grades or if not they would flunk out.
Okay, why isn't INS sitting at the schools picking up these kids as they are dropped off and taking them across the border and dropping them back off in Mexico? I am SO tired of all illegals mooching off our taxpery dollars. We pay the money in and THEY should NOT benefit. If they want their kids to have an american education they need to become naturalized, leran English and pay taxes. NO MORE FREE RIDES!!!
they arent being deportted because they arent here illegaly mr fed up!
Agian, you don't live here....what would you know about the residents who are here legally or illlegally??
it is ICE not INS , It has not been the INS for years now.
Of course they are human, NOBODY has said they are not. But what we are saying is let them either move here legally and become residents of the school district or pay an out of district fee. That is not unreasonable. As someoneelse pointed out, we are not repsonsible for everyone. There are plenty of kids who DO live in this town that need our help first.
i agree they could make them pay a non district fee..... y wasnt that done or atleast talked about b4 the racists school board sent people to sit at the border to hand out letters to the kids that came accros? did they sit at all of the borders of the school district and hand out letters to hose kids? no they targetted the mexican children!
Raciists? You have got to be kidding....in a town that is 90% Mexican? What there is in this town is called reveresed discrimintaion. I have been a victim of it since moving here to Del Rio....if you don't speak Spanish it is VERY difficult to get a job.
You don't live in this town, I do! And I can tell you that it has NOTHING to do with them being Mexican, what it has to do with is them NOT living in the school district where they want to send their kids. Why is that so hard to understand?
The people born in this country are NOT immigrants, we are the ancestors of immigrants. I was born here therefore I am NOT an immigrant. I don't care if the people who want to send their kids herer are born here or if they are immigrants, just so long as they can proove they live in the Del Rio School District!
If you personally are going to sit here and tell us that we shoudl pay for them because, well who cares?? Are you putting your money where your mouth is and offering to pay tuition for some illegals to ease the burden on the rest of us who work for a living and pay taxes?
"tuition"??? rly are you for reals stop acting like these are adults trying to get a free ride in college.... these are young children in elementry school!
There are elementary schools who do charge tution, such as the private schools here in Del Rio. It is not a new concept.
Some have posted that these immigrants need to learn English. The following is a post to them, cruzkit and to go home fascist. I've stated earlier that I help immigrants, illegal and legal learn English on Tuesdays for my parish. I believe in this philanthropy and my point is simply, that these Hispanics want to learn English, but it is very important to us to never forget our language (Spanish). This intention is no offense to those citizens that do not know any other language outside English. Being bilingual is not and should not deserve punishment. As Americans our roots go back pretty far, and the history of our states cross cultural boundaries, we should embrace that, not reject it or forget about it. Cajuns still speak Cajun in Louisiana and I'm in favor of expanding it for instance, to save a dying language. Now to those proud Texans and Californians, I love the rivalry you have because both of you came from a similar mother, but are very different respectively, like two fueding brothers; the proudest and largest of the seven. I wouldn't change that. Regardless, of what people say, the Union would not be the same without either of you and I wouldn't have it any other way. I simply ask that you each respect your cultural history, educate yourselves on it and honor it. They have made you what you are today. That's something, no one can take that away from you except ignorance.
The school district we live in will not accept students unless they live within the district. There is no room or money for children outside the district. This happens all over the United States in very state. I see nothing wrong with this, especially when I pay my property taxes and see the three special taxes for schools combined with land and building tax. But this article seems to imply that we should worry about this because it is children from another Country not children from another County.
that is exactly what this article is implying pj
I live in the DFW area in Texas, Keller to be exact and every year we have to verify residency. You must submit a water bill, electricity, or voters registration card here as well. People dont' complain about it, it's just part of registering your kids for school. Sounds like the people that have a problem with it are breaking the rules. This is nationwide. School districts don't have budget and have to do everything they can to ensure the students they are educating and feeding live in their district. That's all Del Rio is doing too.
again did u all not read the part where they do provide proof of residence but it wasnt good enough so the schools had to send someone to inspect that home? who cares if they rly live there they are paying rent which is goin to the district property tax to fund the school....
Well if most of the girls in your high school were white it would make sense that most of the pregnant girls were white. Here in Del Rio most of the pregnant girls are Mexican because most of the students are Mexican, that is a no brainer. This is not about the kids being Mexican or white or black, it is about them NOT LIVING IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT! What part of that don't you understand WhatIsAmerican? Do you live here in Del Rio; my guess is that you do not. You seem to be ignoring the basis of the whole article. Just proove your kids live in the school district, a very simple task! Why don't you move down here to Del Rio and take in all these kids that you feel obligated to nuture, feed them, clothe them, house them and then they will be living in the Del Rio school district and their problem is solved and you will feel so much better for having helped out with this situation. As for me I choose to help the less fortunate children that live right here in Del Rio who people like you seem to think should be ingnored in favor of helping the ones on the other side of the border.
i for one would gladly rent a house in that school distrect (which some of the parent of these kids have done) so everyone of those children can claim they live there! and be able to goto that school..... but no that wasnt good enough they had to go and inspect peoples house to see if it was good enough for the kid to be living in.... i say bs they are just trying to find any reason possible to not let these kids goto school
Get it through your head fonzgarcia, nobody is saying they shouldn't get an education. Just proove you live in the school district if you want to go the public schools here. If they want to go to one of the private schools here, that is fine too, they might not have to proove residency but they will have to pay tution. I suppose you probably think they should go to one of the private schools for free just because they want an education.
the article stated that some do provide proof of residence but that also isnt good enough for some people.... which means they are paying rent somewhere that its going to the person paying the prop. tax so they are contributing who cares if they live there or not they are paying into the tax system so their kids can goto a good school
Fonzgarcia, clearly many Amricans take it for granted that they can go to a public school and that is a shame. On the other hand it is paid for by Americans for American children or legal alien residents who live in the district. Educating the next generation of the underpriviledged in another country would help them help themselves but American schools districts barely have the resources to educate the students who live in the districts. Lines have to be drawn somewhere in order to be realistic about the educational resources. It sucks but it's reality.
the lines should be drawn on how much our government gives towards war and war tech. and how much they give for education! not who has the right to an education and who doesnt! im reminded of back when slavery was still a part of american life and black people were not permitted to an education for the sole purpose to keep then down!
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