Posted By: JWTruth @ 07/06/2008 4:35:40 AM
Comment:
Jehovah's Witnesses will grow old and die just like normal folks,when they trespass on my property with their recruitment pitch about everlasting life if I become a member they are LYING
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:50:54 PM
Comment: Thats why they talk about everlasting life because they know we all grow old and die, no one can "escape the enemy death" not even Jesus did when he was on earth. Why are they any better. They are just like normal folks just like you said. If you think they are trespassing on your property tell them you don't want them to and they will respect your view. Simple as that
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Posted By: jehovahinfo @ 07/03/2008 3:47:09 AM
Comment: Jehovah's Witnesses (the Watchtower society) are a classic high control group.
They thrive by picking apart all the flaws and sins of other religions making them the 'truth' by default. Where they generate controversy is when they go out and try to 'sell' these beliefs door to door.
Moreover,opposition comes from their shunning of ex members which breaks up many families.
Theologically,Jehovah???s Witnesses are a sect of Christianity.The oppressive organization does not represent historical, Biblical Christianity in any way.
Sociologically, it is a destructive cult whose false teachings frequently result in spiritual and psychological abuse,as well as needless deaths -
Posted By: RealJW @ 07/03/2008 1:48:06 AM
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 3:08:35 PM
Comment: 1Cor 5:9 In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? ???Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.???
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 4:24:45 PM
Comment: e Watchtower has created a vast list of offences for which a Jehovah???s Witness can be disfellowshipped or disassociated, including apostasy and blood transfusions.
Apostasy - w83 4/1 pp.22-4, km 8/80 pp.1, 4. includes;
rebellion against Jehovah???s organization - w63 7/1
promoting sects - it-2 886
Associating with disfellowshipped people including;
friends - ks91-E p.103, w81 9/15 pp.25-6, w55 10/1 p.607
family - ks91-E p.103
Blood and blood transfusions - w61 1/15 ks91-E p.95, jv p.183-4
False worship. Includes;
attending another church ks91-E p.94
Subversive activity - w95 10/1 p.31
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 3:07:51 PM
Comment: Those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned. In compliance with the Scriptures, however, members can be expelled for serious unchristian conduct, such as stealing, drunkenness, or adultery, if they do not repent and cease such actions. Disfellowshipping does not sever family ties. Disfellowshipped members may continue to attend religious services, and if they wish, they may receive pastoral visits. They are always welcome to return to the faith.???1 Corinthians 5:11-13.
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 4:41:29 PM
Comment: So, why was Ray Franz disfellowshipped? He simply ceased to be involved with the Organization as he did not "go along" with the teachings?
What about Barbara Anderson? She was disfellowshipped for exposing the child abuse problem. She wasn't a pedophile or a sinner
Again, you need to read the Watchtower 83, the Kingdom Ministry 8/1980, teh Watchtower 7/1/1963; and the Wathtower October 1, 1995.
The next time you disagree with a Watchtower statement, raise your hand in the middle of the meeting. Stop the meeting and say, "Excuse me speaker, I differ with what is written...and this is why I see the problem differently." Then, report back to hear the outcome of your meeting with the elders. If you persist in your disagreement, they will make an announcement to the entire congregation that you are no longer considered one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Then, you will be shunned and your Christian Love will no longer be of comfort. -
Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 4:20:49 PM
Comment: f a person dies in a disfellowshipped state they still are not to be associated with, so Witnesses are persuaded from attending their funeral.
"In "Questions from Readers" (The Watchtower, 1961, p. 544) the position was taken that a funeral for a disfellowshiped person was improper. The comment was made: "We never want to give the impression to outsiders that a disfellowshiped person was acceptable in the congregation when in truth and in fact he was not acceptable but had been disfellowshiped from it." ??? A Christian congregation would not want its good name besmirched by having it associated with any to whom 2 John 9, 10 applied, even in their death." Watchtower 1977 June 1 p. 347 Mourning and Funerals-For Whom?
It is quite shocking that under certain circumstances even a parent can be disfellowshipped for associating with their own disfellowshipped children.
"Normally, a close relative would not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped person unless there is spiritual association or an effort made to justify or excuse the wrongful course." Pay Attention to Yourselves and all the Flock p.103 -
Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 4:20:06 PM
Comment: It is even recommended that a disfellowshipped relative not be greeted. Notice how this article mentioned that when a son stopped speaking to his mother it made her come back to the Organization. It would appear the mother was motivated to come back based on love of son rather than God. The article does not mention the hundreds of thousands of ex-Jehovah's Witness family members that have never been reinstated and years later, even decades later, are still shunned by their 'loving' Witness family members.
"Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children??? The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative. Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person [or guilty of another gross sin], . . . not even eating with such a man."-1 Corinthians 5:11. Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotions and family ties, such as grandparents' love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God, as stated by the sister quoted on page 26." Watchtower 1988 April 15 p.27 What About Relatives? -
Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 4:19:21 PM
Comment: Stuart116's comment that "Disfellowshipping dow not sever family ties" is not what the Watchtower says...
Total avoidance of the member is extended beyond members of the congregation and to ones immediate family. Below are quotes from a number of articles on the treatment of disfellowshipped members and how they are to be viewed.
"What about speaking with a disfellowshipped person? While the Bible does not cover every possible situation, 2 John 10 helps us to get Jehovah's view of matters: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him." Commenting on this, The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 25, says: "A simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshipped person?" Indeed, it is just as page 31 of the same issue of The Watchtower states: "The fact is that when a Christian gives himself over to sin and has to be disfellowshipped, he forfeits much: his approved standing with God; . . . sweet fellowship with the brothers, including much of the association he had with Christian relatives."??? Benefits of Being Loyal to Jehovah: Cooperating with the Scriptural arrangement to disfellowship and shun unrepentant wrongdoers is beneficial. It preserves the cleanness of the congregation and distinguishes us as upholders of the Bible's high moral standards. (1 Pet. 1:14-16) It protects us from corrupting influences. (Gal. 5:7-9) It also affords the wrongdoer an opportunity to benefit fully from the discipline received, which can help him to produce "peaceable fruit, namely, righteousness."-Heb. 12:11. After hearing a talk at a circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact. Shortly thereafter, his mother began attending meetings and was eventually reinstated. Also, her unbelieving husband began studying and in time was baptized. Loyally upholding the disfellowshipping arrangement outlined in the Scriptures demonstrates our love for Jehovah and provides an answer to the one that is taunting Him. (Prov. 27:11) In turn, we can be assured of Jehovah's blessing. King David wrote regarding Jehovah: "As for his statutes, I shall not turn aside from them. With someone loyal you will act in loyalty."-2 Sam. 22:23, 26." Kingdom Ministry August 2002 p.3 Display Christian Loyalty When a Relative Is Disfellowshipped
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 3:07:32 PM
Comment: Jehovah's witnesses do the best job at keeping their organization clean compared to any other religious group though they are not perfect. Most religious groups don't disfellowship their members NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO!
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Posted By: RealJW @ 07/02/2008 2:39:23 PM
Comment: The Elders will disfellowship Steve Klemetti aka Stuart116
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:52:10 PM
Comment: why what did he do?
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 2:44:36 PM
Comment: The elders would disfellowship Stuart116 for two reasons. First, he is associating with those who question the religion. That's a BIG no, no. Second, he is on an Internet site reading information that is anti-JW. Stuart116, the internet is orchestrated by Satan....
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Posted By: RealJW @ 07/02/2008 2:37:42 PM
Comment: Watchtower spammer shrill troll posting cult propaganda
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:53:37 PM
Comment: why would you expose a fellow brother if you really are a real Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 2:41:23 PM
Comment: He does not know alot about the Watchtower policies on disfellowshipping. But, it is important to put it straight.
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 2:10:26 PM
Comment: Jehovah's witnesses do the best job at keeping their organization clean compared to any other religious group though they are not perfect. Most religious groups don't disfellowship their members NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO!
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 2:24:57 PM
Comment: You have a first amendment right to associate with whoever you want. If the JWs want to disfellowship someone for breaking a moral matter, they are free to do so.
But, the problem comes in that the leadership's role in promoting shunning by immediate family members and business associates. In fact, it's legally actionable in Pennsylvania where the Pennsylvania Supreme Court stated in a Mennonite case and in California where the California Supreme Court stated in a Scientology case that a church could not extend shunning in order to break up families or business associations.
The Watchtower hangs its hat on a case called Paul v. Watchtower. In it, it involved mere shunning by the friends, not immediate family or business associates. The Watchtower has yet to face a case dealing directly with facts involving immediate family members and business associates.
In a recent Irish blood decision, the judge mentioned that coercion could exist within the blood decision (due to shunning consequences). If coercion exists, then the medical decision to forego a medically needed blood transfusion would be "null & void" as there is not "infrormed consent."
For this reason, as well as the blood fraction doctrinal problem, the Watchtower needs to make all of blood a conscience matter. Just as they did for vaccinations and organ transplants.
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 1:57:09 PM
Comment: The receiver of a blood transfusion must be cut off.
"In view of the seriousness of taking blood into the human system by a transfusion, would violation of the Holy Scriptures in this regard subject the dedicated, baptized receiver of blood transfusion to being disfellowshiped from the Christian congregation?
The inspired Holy Scriptures answer yes....According to the law of Moses, which set forth shadows of things to come, the receiver of a blood transfusion must be cut off from God's people by excommunication or disfellowshiping....if in the future he persists in accepting blood transfusions or in donating blood toward the carrying out of this medical practice upon others, he shows that he has really not repented, but is deliberately opposed to God's requirements. As a rebellious opposer and unfaithful example to fellow members of the Christian congregation he must be cut off therefrom by disfellowshiping."
- The Watchtower 01/15/1961 pp. 63, 64
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Beginning in 1961 any who ignored the divine requirement, accepted blood transfusions, and manifested an unrepentant attitude were disfellowshipped from the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses." Jehovah's Witnesses-Proclaimers of God's Kingdom pp.183-184-
Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 1:59:58 PM
Comment: They don't dissfellowship anyone today for taking a blood transfusion. Again name someone who was dissfellowshiped for taking one.
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 2:38:47 PM
Comment: If a sick patient accepts a blood trasnfusion, he is considered automatically self-disassociated from the church. The consequence for "disassociation" is shunning.
Of course, the elders will make a call to the blood recipient. If the follower is unrepentant after taking the blood transfusion, he is disfellowshipped. The consequence for disfellowshipping is shunning.
Either disassociation or disfellowshipping equals shunning.
The elder(s) are the only people who may contact you, and that's to determine if you've changed.
I've spoken to several eldes on this matter, and the Hospital Liasion Elder in Tallahassee, Florida. Ask your elders the policy and post it back here.
They do not announce why a person was disfellowshipped. The reason is that the Watchtower could be sued for slander.
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Posted By: RealJW @ 07/02/2008 12:51:24 PM
Comment: Stuart116 is Steve Klemetti
http://profiles.yahoo.com/sklemetti
Home Page:
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 12:08:43 PM
Comment: Dan 12:9 And he went on to say: ???Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 12:00:56 PM
Comment:
We do not condone or protect child molesters. Our elders expel unrepentant sinners who commit this crime. (1 Corinthians 5:13) In the United States, over 80,000 elders currently serve in over 12,300 congregations. (Acts 20:28) During the last 100 years, only eleven elders have been sued for child abuse in thirteen lawsuits filed in the United States. In seven of these lawsuits against the elders, accusations against the Watchtower Society itself were dismissed by the courts. Of course, one victim is one victim too many. However, the incidence of this crime among Jehovah???s Witnesses is rare.
Congregation elders comply with child abuse reporting laws. (Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1) We do not silence victims. Our members have an absolute right to report this horrible crime to the authorities. The October 2007 issue of our monthly journal Awake! features the cover series, Keep Your Children Safe! These articles clearly show our concern for protecting children from sexual abuse.
http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=../vnr/index.htm
Jehovah's Witnesses' Response
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 11:56:01 AM
Comment: We do not condone or protect child molesters. Our elders expel unrepentant sinners who commit this crime. (1 Corinthians 5:13) In the United States, over 80,000 elders currently serve in over 12,300 congregations. (Acts 20:28) During the last 100 years, only eleven elders have been sued for child abuse in thirteen lawsuits filed in the United States. In seven of these lawsuits against the elders, accusations against the Watchtower Society itself were dismissed by the courts. Of course, one victim is one victim too many. However, the incidence of this crime among Jehovah???s Witnesses is rare.
Congregation elders comply with child abuse reporting laws. (Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1) We do not silence victims. Our members have an absolute right to report this horrible crime to the authorities. The October 2007 issue of our monthly journal Awake! features the cover series, ???Keep Your Children Safe!??? These articles clearly show our concern for protecting children from sexual abuse.-
Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 1:50:47 PM
Comment: In the past 100 years, there was "only 11 elders"....
For almost all of the past 100 years, no church could ever have been sued for pedophilia. Only recently has this type of tort action been allowed by the courts against a church. The Watchtower fought California all the way to the California Supreme Court, and lost. Now that lawsuits are allowed, the Jehovah's Witness church must mend its ways. This is why the Society is stepping up its efforts.. Else, they will need more contributions.
Did you know that one of America's Most Wanted is a JW elder/ministerial servent who abused kids? There is a whole slew of molestors who are JWs. See silentlambs.org for information. In the congregation I attended, I knew of two separate incidents involving two separate molestors. Both times, the families were told to not go to the police as it was wrong to falsely accuse another brother without two witnesses.
Over the past 100 years, there has been alot of sexual abuse of children going on which has been covered up by the elders. So much, in fact, that Bethel had its own "form" to report the abuse cases as they were reported to Bethel. See the NBC news story. You can get a copy of the thousanda of court pages filed by the Watchtower Society, including the reporting form and its policy of reinstating elders from the court houses. While the court houses will charge you $1.00 or more per page, you can order the entire Watchtower's legal filings on these cases from http://www.lulu.com/content/1085239 for about $15. You can read for yourself just what Bethel Legal does.
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 11:49:49 AM
Comment: The Watchtower Society as a UN NGO ??? demolishing the conspiracy theory. Just go to this link http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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Posted By: Dogpatch @ 07/02/2008 10:34:09 AM
Comment: Witnesses nowadays are simply an annoyance and the butt of jokes. It is now a slowly dying religion which has passed its day and has started on the long, slow, and embarassing decline towards total mediocrity. There is no hope and no promise left anymore. Time has run out.
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Posted By: JJ2014 @ 07/02/2008 8:43:13 AM
Comment: Given that the WatchTower Society publicly condemns the practice of homosexuality, plus the fact that any Jehovah's Witness who admits to or is proven to be a practicing homosexual is disfellowshipped (excommunicated) from the religion, and shunned (treated as if dead) by all other JWs, including their own parents, children, and other JW family members, then how does the WatchTower Society reconcile their de facto "partnering" in the production of this promotional documentary with a self-declared homosexual, who is a defacto "former member" who was not disfellowshipped merely because he never got wet? In other media interviews, it has been revealed that others of Joel Engardio's staff, who worked with the JWs in this documentary's filming and production, are also practicing homosexuals.
Interestingly, back in 1991-2, the WatchTower Society applied for, and was granted, "associate" status with the United Nations, which is the only type of formal relationship that a religious organization can have with the United Nations. The JWs de fact "joined" the UN in the only way in which a religion can "join" the UN, despite the fact that the WatchTower Society has repeatedly condemned other religious organizations for doing the exact same thing it finally decided to do.
Maybe its just me, but it seems as if the WatchTower Society and the Jehovah's Witnesses will do just about anything, including the breaking of their own rules and principles, if they can get an ounce of free publicity or other advantage in the process.
Maybe it is time that media organizations like NEWSWEEK stop doing "puff' and "fluff' promotional articles about the WatchTower Society, and attempt to do some of their own investigative reporting.
Interestingly, the JWs teach that it is all other religious groups, except them, who affiliate with the United Nations and other "enemies of GOD" are symbolized by "The Great Harlot" of Revelation. Has not the WatchTower Society proven itself to be just as big a "prostitute" as those other religious groups at whom the JWs throw rocks. -
Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 7:57:35 AM
Comment: The leadership's writing department misrepresents alot of other facts; including the existence of the cross, the benefits of college education, etc. They misquote secular material and history to do so. Further, the leadership tries to rewrite its own history by telling its followers they misinterpreted the leadership's call for the "end of the world" in 1975, its own involvement in the United Nations as a Non Governmental Organization was just for a library card, etc.
Think about it JWs, are you allowed to have a YMCA card just for the fitness membership? Why can the Society have a UN card just for the library? Do you think the Society signed any papers with the UN to get the card? Who signed them? What did the papers state?
The flock accept the misrepresentations. Why? They need to believe that they will never die, will live in a Paradise Earth, as the big "A" is coming any minute. The flock does not think, as the Watchtower feeds them the answers and discourages independent thinking.
Then, there's the BIG problem of child molestation. Class action lawsuits, purported multi-million dollar settlements, elders reinstated after the child abuse, the "two witness rule" that protect the child abuser, and, if there is a phone call to authorities, it's likely made from a phone booth. More likely, the leadership threatened the abused child and his/her family with disfellowshipping (and complete shunning by all family) if they went to the authorities or told anyone in the congregation.
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 7:56:43 AM
Comment: The leadership of the Jehovah's Witnesses misrepresents secular facts to make their point. I studied the booklet, "How Can Blood Save Your Life?" and showed just how dishonest the Bethel writer was when quoting medical material. I published a legal paper, peer reviewed by attorneys and medical doctors, that details the Watchtower's quotes with the written material. If your faith can take it, read "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation" in the Journal of Church and State.
Even the current June 2008 Awake! article on "Is HIV Screened Blood Safe" is a misrepresentation. The article fails to tell its reader that donated blood is screened by an RNA test which detects HIV infection much quicker. Blood in the US has a 1 in 2.5 million unit bag chance of being tainted. To compare the state of Nigerian blood supply (which does not even use cooling units) to the US is to conjure up scare tactics.
Interestingly, Jehovah's Witnesses do take a myriad of blood products, by personal decision. They do so only because the Watchtower leadership has now "ok'd" it. In the 1990's, it was sinful to take hemoglobin. In 2000, it was blessed. If one added all the blood products the Jehovah's Witness is allowed to take, it totals the whole unit of blood. Yet, the leadership purports that blood is sacred, or should be covered in dust and never reused. Why allow blood products? Hypocrisy.
What if a JW willingly takes blood? They are disfellowshipped & shunned. The JW church has an intense interest in follower's medical records for this reason. The publications have openly told followers to break confidential records, including medical confidentiality oaths, to report on erring followers. Isn't that breaking someone's rights?
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Posted By: stuart116 @ 07/02/2008 12:03:46 PM
Comment: Name one person who was dissfellowshiped because they took a blood transfusion.
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Posted By: Kerry Louderback-Wood @ 07/02/2008 2:06:11 PM
Comment: In view of the seriousness of taking blood into the human system by a transfusion, would violation of the Holy Scriptures in this regard subject the dedicated, baptized receiver of blood transfusion to being disfellowshiped from the Christian congregation?
The inspired Holy Scriptures answer yes....According to the law of Moses, which set forth shadows of things to come, the receiver of a blood transfusion must be cut off from God's people by excommunication or disfellowshiping....if in the future he persists in accepting blood transfusions or in donating blood toward the carrying out of this medical practice upon others, he shows that he has really not repented, but is deliberately opposed to God's requirements. As a rebellious opposer and unfaithful example to fellow members of the Christian congregation he must be cut off therefrom by disfellowshiping."
- The Watchtower 01/15/1961 pp. 63, 64
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Beginning in 1961 any who ignored the divine requirement, accepted blood transfusions, and manifested an unrepentant attitude were disfellowshipped from the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses." Jehovah's Witnesses-Proclaimers of God's Kingdom pp.183-184-
Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 8:50:37 PM
Comment: You know you have alot to say and you "seem" to know a lot about that religion, but you still haven't answered stuart116's simple question "name one person who was disfellowshipped because they took a blood transfusion." It is a matter of conscience whether to take based on what you know about the bible. Act 15:20 says to abstain from blood. You would think that a person could read those simple words and apply them. But if they don't thats their choice. No one can tell them they can't just like no one can tell Jehovahs witnesses or anyone how to dress. but they can make very wise suggestions that WILL be for their eternal benefit.
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Posted By: jehovahinfo @ 07/02/2008 12:12:15 AM
Comment: The Jehovah's Witnesses have settled lawsuits alleging church policies protected pedophile men who sexually abused children for many years. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/The victims were required to sign gag orders to prevent them from saying anything about the money or more importantly about their abusers. Yet more importantly the court documents that were part of the five year legal battle shows exactly what despicable sinks of debauchery that supposed leaders and elders of Jehovah's Witnesses will go to in order to protect pedophiles. The written record is incriminating and shows the cover up, protection and enabling of Jehovah's Witness child molesters around the world.
Jehovah's Witnesses pedophile cover up problem at a glance:
It's the Watchtower's protocol for (non) handling of Criminal Pedophilia that is the root of this evil.
Recent Watchtower 'damage control' in house memos on 'correcting' past cover ups and years of past stone walling/foot dragging does not undo decades of child abuse damage.
Too little too late!
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 8:53:44 PM
Comment: wow how do you know watchtower protocol?
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Posted By: dion1282 @ 06/21/2008 5:24:09 PM
Comment: Hey, first of all no ones rights are supressed by Witnesses. If you choose to represent (it is a privilage, not a right) Jehova you must abide by the guidlines stressed in the bible, and that goes for any religion , certainly there isn't a Catholic or Baptist out there who wants anyone who claims to be of their religion misrepresenting their views. Addressing Freedom Beacons comment, the reason we go knocking on peoples door is because it is a scriptual requirement. Do you remember the example Jesus used...A rich man asked what he had to do to gain everlasting life, Jesus told him to leave what he had and to join him in the preaching work that he and his apostales were engaged in (the man refused Jesus offer). Further more in Matthew chapter 28 verse 19(also see Matthew 24:14) Jesus gave a command to make disciples of people from all nations, and Jehova's Witnesses do that by knocking on peoples doors. Even some Catholics have begun to knock on peoples doors; thats a good thing, although our veiws may be different we show appreciation for the privilage extened to us, and besides that in James 2:26 it states "faith(claiming to be christian) without works(preaching work) is dead." Now as for what Jehovainfo had to say about Witnesses human rights being abused is just ridiculous. No one is forced to do anything or prohibited from doing anything. Its a matter of choice. Im not sure what your point is really, i mean if someone refuses to live their life by scriptual guide lines (which does not included avoiding familiy and friend, get your facts right) they are free to leave at any time. Now, as for the comments on Jehova's Witnesses giving pedophiles a free pass is just absurd. It has been stressed at Witness meetings that any and all criminal activity be reported immediately to the civil athorities and that includes any kind of child molestation. Now for anyone one who wants to know more about Jehova's Witnesses you should feel free to ask one any questions you like. It is important to go to an active witness and not someone of another religion, because just as we cannot speak for them, they cannot speak for us and inquiring of a "former Witnesses" will not work either, They have chosen to not apply scriptual principles recommended for all witnesses so there is no way they can speak for an active witness who applies what he or she learnes.
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:00:12 PM
Comment: I agree. If those people commenting negatively can say that witnesses disfellowship for stealing how much more so would they do to a molester. They are contradicting themselves. Why would they treat a stealer with more consequence than molester. GET IT RIGHT MAN, THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE ALL THAT NEGATIVE TALK ABOUT THE WITNESSES.
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Posted By: justwannasay @ 06/08/2008 8:37:45 AM
Comment: Its very interesting what people will say about witnesses. People say witnesses take the written word, the bible, out of context when they have very little knowledge of the bible itself. The bible has atleast five accounts where we are told not to eat blood and to abstain from blood. And every witness konws off by heart Matthew 24:14- 'And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come'. In Revelation 1:5 Jesus Christ is himself named "the faithful witness'.In Matthew 10:7Jesus told his disciples : 'As you go, preach, saying,"The Kingdom of the Heavens has drawn near." 'And Romans 10:14,15 brings up the questions: "However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: How comely are the feat of those who declare good news of good things!" Please Jehovah's Witnesses do not preach the good news of God's Kingdom to annoy people or to bring wrath upon them so they can suffer as Jesus Christ Suffered but they preach to save souls. It really is a matter of life or death. Jehovah, the creator of everything and the only God who is worthy of praise and sole worship promises to his righteous 'great crowd' that we will live in a paradise earth, in perfect human bodies, just as Jehovah purposed the earth to be filled with righteous perfect people he wills that the earth will be restored to its paradise state. Our father who art in the heavens let youf Kingdom come. Let your will take place upon the earth as it is being done in heaven...........
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Posted By: so sad @ 06/04/2008 6:55:26 AM
Comment: Hi!
They can indeed be challenged in a court of law. You need to contact a lawyer that will take these kinds of cases. Check:
Regards,
Can Religions that promote and enforce slander, libel, and discrimination of former members through written material that states because they choose to no longer be apart of the church, are of substandard moral character, inferior, and undesirable, and are to be stigmatized by shunning, be challenged in a court of law?
Since the 1st amendment appears to be an enabler for destructive religions that spin civil,human rights offences. misrepresentation, libel and fraud into protected ???eccleiastical priviledge??? why not fight fire with fire by bringing this conduct to court in the language that they can work with?!! So much documented misrepresentation of fact, citations, fraudulent medical advise, those who want to walk away for the unethical behavior, are slandered, as documents state, promote and enforce, any former member to be treated as substandard moral character, inferior, deviant, undesirable regardless how they leave. The above inquiry was made and anserwed in the affirmative, is anyone able to begin a class action suit, has any of us had a good read of church bylaws, were we not uninformed consenters -
Posted By: so sad @ 06/04/2008 6:53:29 AM
Comment: Hi!
They can indeed be challenged in a court of law. You need to contact a lawyer that will take these kinds of cases. Check:
Regards, user service
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Can Religions that promote and enforce slander, libel, and discrimination of former members through written material that states because they choose to no longer be apart of the church, are of substandard moral character, inferior, and undesirable, and are to be stigmatized by shunning, be challenged in a court of law?
Since the 1st amendment appears to be an enabler for destructive religions that spin civil,human rights offences. misrepresentation, libel and fraud into protected ???eccleiastical priviledge??? why not fight fire with fire by bringing this conduct to court in the language that they can work with?!! So much documented misrepresentation of fact, citations, fraudulent medical advise, those who want to walk away for the unethical behavior, are slandered, as documents state, promote and enforce, any former member to be treated as substandard moral character, inferior, deviant, undesirable regardless how they leave. The above inquiry was made and anserwed in the affirmative, is anyone able to begin a class action suit, has any of us had a good read of church bylaws, were we not uninformed consenters -
Posted By: jehovahinfo @ 01/30/2008 4:29:23 PM
Comment:
Jehovah's Witnesses once fighters for free speech are now totalitarian because they try to cut you off from others who do not have the same beliefs, including family.
They will extol and preach "God's Kingdom" and this sounds attractive,what they hide from you is their Watchtower sect version that Jesus has already had his second coming in 1914 and is working "invisibly" through them.
They have won 37 of their 46 U.S. Supreme Court cases, assuring us all of freedom of speech and assembly and equal protection under the law.
The sad irony is that the Watchtower Society *daily* abuses the human rights of thousands of its members. It denies current members the right of free speech by forbidding them to speak to former members, even close family members.
And it denies former members their right of freedom of worship by refusing to allow them to leave the religion with dignity, should they come to disagree with Watchtower's practices or doctrines.
The 'religion' of Jehovah's Witnesses controls every aspect of its members' lives.
The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world now.~Danny Haszard-
Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:13:23 PM
Comment: Oh yeah and every one knows that the BIBLE is what controls our lives. Act 5:29 says " We must obey God as ruler rather than men" If you happen to have a friend whos a witness that isn't doing that mayb you should tell them that scripture
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:07:02 PM
Comment: RU SERIOUS!!!! No one can force you to do anything. How do Jehovah's Witnesses have court cases around the world to gain freedom of worship but then take it away. Please explain because you're sounding really contradictory right now.
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Posted By: KenSmith @ 01/27/2008 9:43:38 PM
Comment: I have watched Joel's DVD and am seriously concerned about the unrealistic and one-sided--dare I say, 'sanitized'--view of the Witnesses that it portrays.
What are the real issues?
1) The Watchtower Society daily abuses the human rights of literally thousands of its members. It denies current members the right of free speech by forbidding them from speaking to former members, even if they are close family members. And it denies former members their right of freedom of worship by refusing to allow them to leave the religion with dignity, should they come to disagree with Watchtower's practices or doctrines.
2) Jehovah's Witnesses needlessly die because they refuse blood transfusions, based on Watchtower's interpretation of the Bible. Watchtower never publicizes just how much suffering their medical policies have caused over the years:
- For example, starting around 1921, they repeatedly condemned the use of vaccinations. They dogmatically stated that "Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood." The prohibition was not reversed until 1952.
- More recently, organ transplants were permitted up until 1967, when they were suddenly deemed "cannibalistic." That ban was reversed in 1980.
- Blood transfusions were banned in 1945. Some blood fractions were unbanned in 1964. Over the years since then, most 'minor' fractions have been allowed.
- Medical professionals (and also lawyers and accountants) who are Jehovah's Witnesses are required to breach patient/client confidentiality if in their professional work they learn of a fellow Witness breaking Watchtower's rules.
3) The above pales into insignificance when compared with the Watchtower's criminal negligence in failing to properly care for children in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, which have resulted in Kingdom Halls around the world becoming pedophile havens. Church rules require there to be two witnesses to the alleged child abuse before elders will take any disciplinary action. If there are not two witnesses and the alleged abuser denies the charge, he is considered innocent until proven guilty.
Even when the abuser confesses what he has done during internal tribunals, he is given complete anonymity within the congregation and the elders will only report this to the authorities when compelled by state laws: even then, they have repeatedly broken these reporting laws. Where such laws do not exist, the pedophiles are usually shielded by the elders, acting directly on the instructions of Watchtower's Legal and Service Departments.
It is a serious breach of church / state separation when federal funds are used to make a religious propaganda piece like 'Knocking.' -
Posted By: DevonMcbride @ 01/27/2008 6:12:14 PM
Comment: Jehovah's Witnesses are selfish in that they want respect from non-Jehovah's Witnesses yet they don't give respect to non-Jehovah's Witnesses. They knocked on my door on one of my most holy holidays - Yom Kippur. After reminding them of this important holiday, they proceeded to tell me I was practicing a religion not pleasing to God, aka Jehovah.
In addition, they are a religion filled with loaded language where they label people.
Disfellowhipped - someone who got kicked out for an unrepented sin
Disassociated - someone who left on their own
Apostate - Usually a former Jehovah's Witness who no longer believes their dogma and tells others
Worldly - a person who never was a Jehovah's Witness; a non-Jehovah's witness;
These terms are often spoken of in a derogatory fashion and several publications of Watchtower magazine tells members to "hate" anyone who falls into the above mentioned labels.-
Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:40:26 PM
Comment: No actually I have a family member who got "disfellowshipped" and she didn't get kicked out. She WANTED to leave. So whoever told you that is wrong. You have a choice whether you are disfellowshipped if you want to confess and do it genuinely and want help not to do it again then that won't happen to you. So when you don't you already accept the idea of not being able to talk to other Jehovah witnesses. It wasn't like a catch or something. I mean everyone who has commented so far seems to know that too. That's what they want and then they get mad when people do the right thing and don't talk to them. How selfish of them. Its not like they can't change. They would be warmly welcomed back. WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!
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Posted By: DevonMcbride @ 01/27/2008 6:11:59 PM
Comment: Jehovah's Witnesses are selfish in that they want respect from non-Jehovah's Witnesses yet they don't give respect to non-Jehovah's Witnesses. They knocked on my door on one of my most holy holidays - Yom Kippur. After reminding them of this important holiday, they proceeded to tell me I was practicing a religion not pleasing to God, aka Jehovah.
In addition, they are a religion filled with loaded language where they label people.
Disfellowhipped - someone who got kicked out for an unrepented sin
Disassociated - someone who left on their own
Apostate - Usually a former Jehovah's Witness who no longer believes their dogma and tells others
Worldly - a person who never was a Jehovah's Witness; a non-Jehovah's witness;
These terms are often spoken of in a derogatory fashion and several publications of Watchtower magazine tells members to "hate" anyone who falls into the above mentioned labels. -
Posted By: DevonMcbride @ 01/27/2008 6:11:54 PM
Comment: Jehovah's Witnesses are selfish in that they want respect from non-Jehovah's Witnesses yet they don't give respect to non-Jehovah's Witnesses. They knocked on my door on one of my most holy holidays - Yom Kippur. After reminding them of this important holiday, they proceeded to tell me I was practicing a religion not pleasing to God, aka Jehovah.
In addition, they are a religion filled with loaded language where they label people.
Disfellowhipped - someone who got kicked out for an unrepented sin
Disassociated - someone who left on their own
Apostate - Usually a former Jehovah's Witness who no longer believes their dogma and tells others
Worldly - a person who never was a Jehovah's Witness; a non-Jehovah's witness;
These terms are often spoken of in a derogatory fashion and several publications of Watchtower magazine tells members to "hate" anyone who falls into the above mentioned labels. -
Posted By: DevonMcbride @ 01/27/2008 6:11:09 PM
Comment: Jehovah's Witnesses are selfish in that they want respect from non-Jehovah's Witnesses yet they don't give respect to non-Jehovah's Witnesses. They knocked on my door on one of my most holy holidays - Yom Kippur. After reminding them of this important holiday, they proceeded to tell me I was practicing a religion not pleasing to God, aka Jehovah.
In addition, they are a religion filled with loaded language where they label people.
Disfellowhipped - someone who got kicked out for an unrepented sin
Disassociated - someone who left on their own
Apostate - Usually a former Jehovah's Witness who no longer believes their dogma and tells others
Worldly - a person who never was a Jehovah's Witness; a non-Jehovah's witness;
These terms are often spoken of in a derogatory fashion and several publications of Watchtower magazine tells members to "hate" anyone who falls into the above mentioned labels. -
Posted By: jehovahinfo @ 01/27/2008 2:05:33 PM
Comment: WHY DOOR TO DOOR?
The reason the watchtower corporation orders their Jehovah's witnesses members to intrude door to door is because in the beginning their leader Joseph Rutherford (who himself never went door to door) knew that this cold-calling tactic would get them recognition and "persecution" as pesky.
If they can get "persecuted" by picking fights then he can say they are 'persecuted for Jesus'.
It's all a Watchtower cult SCAM~Danny Haszard expert witness on Jehovah Witness -
Posted By: mariana_b @ 11/21/2007 12:26:40 PM
Comment: Witnesses are not baptized as teenagers or young adults. A person decides when they are ready, no matter what their age, when they are ready to dedicate themselves to do Jehova God;s work. Which, by the way, includes knocking on doors. The knocking on doors isn't to irritate people, it is to to teach them what the Bible says, since people find it so hard to find time themselves to thank God, our Creator.
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Posted By: FreedomBeacon @ 01/27/2008 2:15:51 PM
Comment: First of all, let's refresh our memories regarding what JWs are dedicating themselves to when they are baptised, by reveiewing the baptismal questions. Since the 1980's, you are not only dedicating yourself to Jehovah but to the Watchtower Society and all of it's legalistic requirements, which you must fulfill in order to remain in good standing with the organization. One of those proscriptions is, indeed, door to door activity, but this is NOT God's requirement. In the passage you use to back up this teaching, Matt. 28: 19, 20, Jesus never says we must go door to door. Furthermore, He never says that we must tell others that Armegeddon is just around the corner and that, in order to be saved, we must adhere to some organization that claims to be God's mouth piece and sole champion of truth. Rather, in the context of the entire chapter, we see that our message is to be one that Jesus Christ is risen and is now with us always (v. 7, 20b). This is a clear case of taking verses out of context to support erroneous WT views and the passage in Acts that is used to uphold the blood ban is just more of the same.
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:43:26 PM
Comment: Wow were you baptized before how do you know that?
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Posted By: Simon Peter @ 01/27/2008 2:10:32 PM
Comment: First of all, let's refresh our memories regarding what JWs are dedicating themselves to when they are baptised, by reveiewing the baptismal questions. Since the 1980's, you are not only dedicating yourself to Jehovah but to the Watchtower Society and all of it's legalistic requirements, which you must fulfill in order to remain in good standing with the organization. One of those proscriptions is, indeed, door to door activity, but this is NOT God's requirement. In the passage you use to back up this teaching, Matt. 28: 19, 20, Jesus never says we must go door to door. Furthermore, He never says that we must tell others that Armegeddon is just around the corner and that, in order to be saved, we must adhere to some organization that claims to be God's mouth piece and sole champion of truth. Rather, in the context of the entire chapter, we see that our message is to be one that Jesus Christ is risen and is now with us always (v. 7, 20b). This is a clear case of taking verses out of context to support erroneous WT views and the passage in Acts that is used to uphold the blood ban is just more of the same.
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Posted By: Barbex @ 10/24/2007 7:38:36 PM
Comment: For all those Witnesses earthwide, with swollen feet, wearly legs and happy hearts - you share in the best of company, from the apostles, Paul, Barnabus and more - please keep knocking and spreading the news of everlasting life her on a paradise earth! We have souls to save.
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Posted By: fly2 @ 10/13/2008 9:46:55 PM
Comment: How nice to hear someone positive you must be a Jehovah's Witness. Just in the nick of time cuz these other people are discouraging. They sound like they think they know everything. Why do they pick on good religions? maybe they wish they were like you.
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