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Dan 12:9 And he went on to say: ???Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.

We do not condone or protect child molesters. Our elders expel unrepentant sinners who commit this crime. (1 Corinthians 5:13) In the United States, over 80,000 elders currently serve in over 12,300 congregations. (Acts 20:28) During the last 100 years, only eleven elders have been sued for child abuse in thirteen lawsuits filed in the United States. In seven of these lawsuits against the elders, accusations against the Watchtower Society itself were dismissed by the courts. Of course, one victim is one victim too many. However, the incidence of this crime among Jehovah???s Witnesses is rare.
Congregation elders comply with child abuse reporting laws. (Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1) We do not silence victims. Our members have an absolute right to report this horrible crime to the authorities. The October 2007 issue of our monthly journal Awake! features the cover series, Keep Your Children Safe! These articles clearly show our concern for protecting children from sexual abuse.
http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=../vnr/index.htm

Jehovah's Witnesses' Response
http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/713173.htm

The Watchtower Society as a UN NGO ??? demolishing the conspiracy theory. Just go to this link http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/

Given that the WatchTower Society publicly condemns the practice of homosexuality, plus the fact that any Jehovah's Witness who admits to or is proven to be a practicing homosexual is disfellowshipped (excommunicated) from the religion, and shunned (treated as if dead) by all other JWs, including their own parents, children, and other JW family members, then how does the WatchTower Society reconcile their de facto "partnering" in the production of this promotional documentary with a self-declared homosexual, who is a defacto "former member" who was not disfellowshipped merely because he never got wet? In other media interviews, it has been revealed that others of Joel Engardio's staff, who worked with the JWs in this documentary's filming and production, are also practicing homosexuals.

Interestingly, back in 1991-2, the WatchTower Society applied for, and was granted, "associate" status with the United Nations, which is the only type of formal relationship that a religious organization can have with the United Nations. The JWs de fact "joined" the UN in the only way in which a religion can "join" the UN, despite the fact that the WatchTower Society has repeatedly condemned other religious organizations for doing the exact same thing it finally decided to do.

Maybe its just me, but it seems as if the WatchTower Society and the Jehovah's Witnesses will do just about anything, including the breaking of their own rules and principles, if they can get an ounce of free publicity or other advantage in the process.

Maybe it is time that media organizations like NEWSWEEK stop doing "puff' and "fluff' promotional articles about the WatchTower Society, and attempt to do some of their own investigative reporting.


Interestingly, the JWs teach that it is all other religious groups, except them, who affiliate with the United Nations and other "enemies of GOD" are symbolized by "The Great Harlot" of Revelation. Has not the WatchTower Society proven itself to be just as big a "prostitute" as those other religious groups at whom the JWs throw rocks.

The leadership's writing department misrepresents alot of other facts; including the existence of the cross, the benefits of college education, etc. They misquote secular material and history to do so. Further, the leadership tries to rewrite its own history by telling its followers they misinterpreted the leadership's call for the "end of the world" in 1975, its own involvement in the United Nations as a Non Governmental Organization was just for a library card, etc.

Think about it JWs, are you allowed to have a YMCA card just for the fitness membership? Why can the Society have a UN card just for the library? Do you think the Society signed any papers with the UN to get the card? Who signed them? What did the papers state?

The flock accept the misrepresentations. Why? They need to believe that they will never die, will live in a Paradise Earth, as the big "A" is coming any minute. The flock does not think, as the Watchtower feeds them the answers and discourages independent thinking.

Then, there's the BIG problem of child molestation. Class action lawsuits, purported multi-million dollar settlements, elders reinstated after the child abuse, the "two witness rule" that protect the child abuser, and, if there is a phone call to authorities, it's likely made from a phone booth. More likely, the leadership threatened the abused child and his/her family with disfellowshipping (and complete shunning by all family) if they went to the authorities or told anyone in the congregation.

Yeah, no one's rights or very lives are ever trampled by the Watchtower.

Kerry Louderback-Wood.

Its very interesting what people will say about witnesses. People say witnesses take the written word, the bible, out of context when they have very little knowledge of the bible itself. The bible has atleast five accounts where we are told not to eat blood and to abstain from blood. And every witness konws off by heart Matthew 24:14- 'And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come'. In Revelation 1:5 Jesus Christ is himself named "the faithful witness'.In Matthew 10:7Jesus told his disciples : 'As you go, preach, saying,"The Kingdom of the Heavens has drawn near." 'And Romans 10:14,15 brings up the questions: "However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: How comely are the feat of those who declare good news of good things!" Please Jehovah's Witnesses do not preach the good news of God's Kingdom to annoy people or to bring wrath upon them so they can suffer as Jesus Christ Suffered but they preach to save souls. It really is a matter of life or death. Jehovah, the creator of everything and the only God who is worthy of praise and sole worship promises to his righteous 'great crowd' that we will live in a paradise earth, in perfect human bodies, just as Jehovah purposed the earth to be filled with righteous perfect people he wills that the earth will be restored to its paradise state. Our father who art in the heavens let youf Kingdom come. Let your will take place upon the earth as it is being done in heaven...........

Hi!

They can indeed be challenged in a court of law. You need to contact a lawyer that will take these kinds of cases. Check:

Regards,

Can Religions that promote and enforce slander, libel, and discrimination of former members through written material that states because they choose to no longer be apart of the church, are of substandard moral character, inferior, and undesirable, and are to be stigmatized by shunning, be challenged in a court of law?

Since the 1st amendment appears to be an enabler for destructive religions that spin civil,human rights offences. misrepresentation, libel and fraud into protected ???eccleiastical priviledge??? why not fight fire with fire by bringing this conduct to court in the language that they can work with?!! So much documented misrepresentation of fact, citations, fraudulent medical advise, those who want to walk away for the unethical behavior, are slandered, as documents state, promote and enforce, any former member to be treated as substandard moral character, inferior, deviant, undesirable regardless how they leave. The above inquiry was made and anserwed in the affirmative, is anyone able to begin a class action suit, has any of us had a good read of church bylaws, were we not uninformed consenters

Hi!

They can indeed be challenged in a court of law. You need to contact a lawyer that will take these kinds of cases. Check:

Regards, user service

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Can Religions that promote and enforce slander, libel, and discrimination of former members through written material that states because they choose to no longer be apart of the church, are of substandard moral character, inferior, and undesirable, and are to be stigmatized by shunning, be challenged in a court of law?

Since the 1st amendment appears to be an enabler for destructive religions that spin civil,human rights offences. misrepresentation, libel and fraud into protected ???eccleiastical priviledge??? why not fight fire with fire by bringing this conduct to court in the language that they can work with?!! So much documented misrepresentation of fact, citations, fraudulent medical advise, those who want to walk away for the unethical behavior, are slandered, as documents state, promote and enforce, any former member to be treated as substandard moral character, inferior, deviant, undesirable regardless how they leave. The above inquiry was made and anserwed in the affirmative, is anyone able to begin a class action suit, has any of us had a good read of church bylaws, were we not uninformed consenters

I have watched Joel's DVD and am seriously concerned about the unrealistic and one-sided--dare I say, 'sanitized'--view of the Witnesses that it portrays.

What are the real issues?

1) The Watchtower Society daily abuses the human rights of literally thousands of its members. It denies current members the right of free speech by forbidding them from speaking to former members, even if they are close family members. And it denies former members their right of freedom of worship by refusing to allow them to leave the religion with dignity, should they come to disagree with Watchtower's practices or doctrines.

2) Jehovah's Witnesses needlessly die because they refuse blood transfusions, based on Watchtower's interpretation of the Bible. Watchtower never publicizes just how much suffering their medical policies have caused over the years:

- For example, starting around 1921, they repeatedly condemned the use of vaccinations. They dogmatically stated that "Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood." The prohibition was not reversed until 1952.

- More recently, organ transplants were permitted up until 1967, when they were suddenly deemed "cannibalistic." That ban was reversed in 1980.

- Blood transfusions were banned in 1945. Some blood fractions were unbanned in 1964. Over the years since then, most 'minor' fractions have been allowed.

- Medical professionals (and also lawyers and accountants) who are Jehovah's Witnesses are required to breach patient/client confidentiality if in their professional work they learn of a fellow Witness breaking Watchtower's rules.

3) The above pales into insignificance when compared with the Watchtower's criminal negligence in failing to properly care for children in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, which have resulted in Kingdom Halls around the world becoming pedophile havens. Church rules require there to be two witnesses to the alleged child abuse before elders will take any disciplinary action. If there are not two witnesses and the alleged abuser denies the charge, he is considered innocent until proven guilty.

Even when the abuser confesses what he has done during internal tribunals, he is given complete anonymity within the congregation and the elders will only report this to the authorities when compelled by state laws: even then, they have repeatedly broken these reporting laws. Where such laws do not exist, the pedophiles are usually shielded by the elders, acting directly on the instructions of Watchtower's Legal and Service Departments.

It is a serious breach of church / state separation when federal funds are used to make a religious propaganda piece like 'Knocking.'

Jehovah's Witnesses are selfish in that they want respect from non-Jehovah's Witnesses yet they don't give respect to non-Jehovah's Witnesses. They knocked on my door on one of my most holy holidays - Yom Kippur. After reminding them of this important holiday, they proceeded to tell me I was practicing a religion not pleasing to God, aka Jehovah.

In addition, they are a religion filled with loaded language where they label people.
Disfellowhipped - someone who got kicked out for an unrepented sin
Disassociated - someone who left on their own
Apostate - Usually a former Jehovah's Witness who no longer believes their dogma and tells others
Worldly - a person who never was a Jehovah's Witness; a non-Jehovah's witness;

These terms are often spoken of in a derogatory fashion and several publications of Watchtower magazine tells members to "hate" anyone who falls into the above mentioned labels.

Jehovah's Witnesses are selfish in that they want respect from non-Jehovah's Witnesses yet they don't give respect to non-Jehovah's Witnesses. They knocked on my door on one of my most holy holidays - Yom Kippur. After reminding them of this important holiday, they proceeded to tell me I was practicing a religion not pleasing to God, aka Jehovah.

In addition, they are a religion filled with loaded language where they label people.
Disfellowhipped - someone who got kicked out for an unrepented sin
Disassociated - someone who left on their own
Apostate - Usually a former Jehovah's Witness who no longer believes their dogma and tells others
Worldly - a person who never was a Jehovah's Witness; a non-Jehovah's witness;

These terms are often spoken of in a derogatory fashion and several publications of Watchtower magazine tells members to "hate" anyone who falls into the above mentioned labels.

Jehovah's Witnesses are selfish in that they want respect from non-Jehovah's Witnesses yet they don't give respect to non-Jehovah's Witnesses. They knocked on my door on one of my most holy holidays - Yom Kippur. After reminding them of this important holiday, they proceeded to tell me I was practicing a religion not pleasing to God, aka Jehovah.

In addition, they are a religion filled with loaded language where they label people.
Disfellowhipped - someone who got kicked out for an unrepented sin
Disassociated - someone who left on their own
Apostate - Usually a former Jehovah's Witness who no longer believes their dogma and tells others
Worldly - a person who never was a Jehovah's Witness; a non-Jehovah's witness;

These terms are often spoken of in a derogatory fashion and several publications of Watchtower magazine tells members to "hate" anyone who falls into the above mentioned labels.

WHY DOOR TO DOOR?

The reason the watchtower corporation orders their Jehovah's witnesses members to intrude door to door is because in the beginning their leader Joseph Rutherford (who himself never went door to door) knew that this cold-calling tactic would get them recognition and "persecution" as pesky.
If they can get "persecuted" by picking fights then he can say they are 'persecuted for Jesus'.

It's all a Watchtower cult SCAM~Danny Haszard expert witness on Jehovah Witness