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'Mean Girls'

Boozing, bikinis and bullying: how the scandalous behavior of five high-school cheerleaders rocked a bedroom community near Dallas.

By Gretel C. Kovach and Arian Campo-Flores | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Jan 2, 2007

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  • Posted By: china3071 @ 08/08/2008 1:39:36 PM

    Comment: maybe some of you don't come from the good ol' state of Texas where football and cheerleading can be the all or nothing for not only the students but the adults even more so. How soon we forget the mother killing the other cheerleader just to get her daughter on the squad-not a far stretch of the imagination to think in a state where footbal and cheerleading can and sometimes is even more important than social graces and education, that FIVE OF THE MAYBE MORE BEAUTIFUL OR AT LEAST CONFIRMED WELL CONNECTED girls were shown extreme predjudice in discipline not onlt at home but at school. I'm finding it VERY hard to believe any of these girls are now walking around town with the heads down in any kind of shame. You can believe this Texas girl when I tell you, there has been a BIG out pouring of support for thses girls and the priciple who looked the other way. Has anyone investigated what the football team may be up to at that school? I've never seen the cheerleaders act up like that without having someone to impress.

    • Posted By: Cheer Mom in Texas @ 08/08/2008 14:26:37

      Comment: FYI...the plan was to kill the other cheerleader's mother, not the cheerleader, and it never happened. No one was ever killed. Really stupid to let it even go that far though. And the stories I've heard from the locker room...yeah, the football players get away with a lot that most would consider in extremely inappropriate in the locker room. But what happens in the locker room, stays in the locker room. And that's crap too! I agree with you.

  • Posted By: 1Anonymous1 @ 08/08/2008 1:31:38 PM

    Comment: Are you kidding me????

    Gee whiz, finally my real purpose in life has been revealed - how can I ever thank you "Justrealityplz"??

  • Posted By: 1Anonymous1 @ 08/08/2008 1:30:30 PM

    Comment: To Justrealityplz

    Are you KIDDING me?

    Gee whiz - all of my purpose in life has just been exposed - how can I ever thank you?

  • Posted By: stacey45205 @ 08/08/2008 11:24:47 AM

    Comment: If these girls were from the "hood" we'd have kicked them out a long time ago! What excuses can you give these girls! They have to respect the law and thier peers just like the rest of the world!

  • Posted By: Justrealityplz @ 08/08/2008 8:58:39 AM

    Comment: I have to agree with Tina; There is always two sides to a story . An if most here are makeing thier minds up off of the movie they must really not live in reality. The movie enhanced and streched the truth about the girls and thier excapades. Though they were still very rude and ignorant kids, it was nothing like the movie and if we all take a moment and read the credits it states very clearly "based Loosely on a true story" In other words the truth wasnt interesting enough so we put more sex, more drugs and alcohol in it to make sure we got more viewers.
    Read the real story and it is not quite as interesting as the movie. Still does anyone remember high school? Sex, Drugs and Rock N Roll??? I am not saying we all acted this bad or that these girls were angels, but they were enabled by the adults around them and this blog has gotten way out of hand, I do not think the movie had this much social discomfort..And yes this is my last post I am bored lol, Long live the Cheerleading Sport.. I blees you young girls in tight short skirts shaking it for the team, My wife thanks you for the increadible nights of passion after the home games, My sons thank you for giving them thier bathroom fantasies, and sad to say the women will always hate you because you have the perfect tight hard bodies they long for.. live long and prosper for tommorrow you will be one of those envying women.

  • Posted By: KSSW @ 08/08/2008 6:49:58 AM

    Comment: Listen, even if you don't like how mfenwick expressed himself, he has said nothing illegal. I don't necessarily think he expressed his point in a fashion all could tolerate and thus "get", but I think I understand what he's getting at here.....

    I am a social worker and when I was new to the field, I had a supervisor discuss with me similar issues. I work with kids and families. We were discussing a father of one of the kids we work with who was particularly good looking. I then basically apologized for saying how good looking he was. She stated to me that when she was doing therapy with teenagers, she met with a young man, who was 16 or 17. She said that when she met him, she was aware of his good looks, tall frame, etc. She said she was conflicted by this until she spoke with her supervisor, at the time a highly revered clinician in both Kansas and nationally. She said he told her that despite our careers and love of helping children, teachers, therapists, etc are still human. This being said, being aware of "being aware" of a pubescent young person is important. If an adult is of aware of a youth's sexuality, looks, physicality, etc, that is natural and human. Crossing that line and being a pedophile as I saw someone write here, it an entirely different and unnatural thing. I would be willing to put money on the fact that there is not one person here who, if they could get past their own bias and sexual repression, has not looked at a young person (and I mean 16, 17, NOT 10, 11, 12, 13.....you get the point, which is what I think fenwick was really talking about) and said "Wow, that kid is really good looking and man don't I wish I was that age again." Just recently, I met a neighbor's 17 year old brother and thought "what a cutie" and he was. That doesn't mean I was going to have sex with him or whatever, it meant I was aware that at 17, he was already a good looking kid with his own sense of self and sexuality and I was mindful of my own reaction to him.

    • Posted By: Cheer Mom in Texas @ 08/08/2008 11:47:58

      Comment: I can assure you I have never looked at any of my 18 year old son's friends or my 16 year old daughter's friends and thought boy I wish I was back in high school. Yes, I have thought about how attractive they are but NEVER have I ever wished I was young again because of how one of my children's friends or school mates looked or acted (flirty). That's sick in my opinion. If you are wanting to be that age again because of your attraction to that 16 or 17 year old person, that is borderline pedophilia. You just haven't crossed the line yet. Admitting they are good looking is fine but never wishing you were young again because of the way a child looks. IMO, if you have thoughts of wishing you were young again because of the way someone looks is shallow at the least.

  • Posted By: xbeachbum20 @ 08/08/2008 12:57:02 AM

    Comment: hahaha im willing to bet that tina girl is like related to one of those brats. i dont know why any other cheerleader didnt fight back. i know if it was me i would have slapped them if they talked to me like that. Their parents did a poor job at raising them. And I am gonna believe everything I hear because i do believe these girls were as evil as they were perceived. Go ahead, have a field day saying mean things to me all those people out there who think they did nothing wrong.

  • Posted By: xbeachbum20 @ 08/08/2008 12:55:27 AM

    Comment: hahaha im willing to bet that tina girl is like related to one of those brats. i dont know why any other cheerleader didnt fight back. i know if it was me i would have slapped them if they talked to me like that. Their parents did a poor job at raising them. And I am gonna believe everything I hear because i do believe these girls were as evil as they were perceived. Go ahead, have a field day saying mean things to me all those people out there who think they did nothing wrong.

  • Posted By: Tina bby xo x3 @ 08/06/2008 11:19:53 PM

    Comment: Whatever. You guys dont even know the whole story. The movie left a whole bunch of stuff out. It made the girls look like trash and the cheerleading coach look like a hero. Which isnt even the case. Theres two sides to every story. So dont beleive everything you hear.

  • Posted By: dayton814 @ 08/06/2008 11:08:46 PM

    Comment: They were at the age where they can be held responsable for their actions. At that age they should know better and knowing how they acted was so inappropriate. They were at the age where they can and should have changed...there up bringing at that age is no excuse for their actions. That's just what it is...an excuse. Hey..if you can't to the time, don't do the crime.

  • Posted By: dayton814 @ 08/06/2008 11:07:58 PM

    Comment: They were at the age where they can be held responsable for their actions. At that age they should know better and knowing how they acted was so inappropriate. They were at the age where they can and should have changed...there up bringing at that age is no excuse for their actions. That's just what it is...an excuse. Hey..if you can't to the time, don't do the crime.

  • Posted By: facey06 @ 08/06/2008 10:25:12 PM

    Comment: I think that its good that they made the movie. Now that what they did is out in the public eye its easier to see that things like that go on all the time all over the place. People who are showing even an ouce of compassion for these girls for the hurtful and wrong things they did to others just so they would always be popular and step on other people when they are down isn't a good role model for anyone ever. And, even if these girls were spoiled rotten and thats all they knew doesn't mean that thats the main reason for the things they did. The reason they got away with doing the things they did is because their parents let them get away with it. They always helped them in the wrong way. Instead of blaming the girls for the terrible things they were doing, their parents were blaming the cheerleading coach. Also, these girls didn't just make mistakes, they were physically and mentally abusive to other girls on the cheerleading team, their coach, and some of the teachers in their school. The movie that has been made probably didn't do anything to hurt what has already been done and standing up for these girls is rediculous. I'm in no way saying that its ok to jugde because it is true that we don't know the whole story with these girls, but you also can't feel sorry for people who hurt people for no reason at all and could had hurt themselves in the end.

  • Posted By: Tina bby xo x3 @ 08/06/2008 9:59:45 PM

    Comment: Respect isnt the issue, the girls where raised spolied rotten. Thats all they knew. So the girls made a few mistakes.. so doesnt everyone else. You dont even know these girls, so stop judging them. Maybe these girls where going through a hard time. Did you ever hear of that girls father in the movie.. no she could have a bad home situation. Im not proud of the girls and there not proud of themselves for what they did. Everytime they try to forget about it and move on they cant beause people like you have to bring it up. Now thanks to the movie everybody knows.

  • Posted By: Georgiagirl6787 @ 08/06/2008 9:38:50 PM

    Comment: Also please dont assume that I did not know how to respect people. I did over 100 hours of community service each year I attended high school. I was on the advisory board for the local food bank, did after school programs for underpriveledged children, etc. But what do people remember? They remember what I did at night and on the weekends. Why? Because the bad is more fun to talk about than the good. Period.

  • Posted By: Georgiagirl6787 @ 08/06/2008 9:35:57 PM

    Comment: I'm by no means saying there is nothing wrong with the behavior. I am however saying there is something wrong with taking peoples' lives and exploiting them for publicity or a good news story. While most grow out of their adolescent behavior these girls are going to have to live with being known for what that did at 18 well into their 20's, 30's, etc. Im not saying that they should not have been disciplined. Im saying leave them alone.

  • Posted By: dayton814 @ 08/06/2008 7:38:32 PM

    Comment: I went to high school in the same area as these girls. I was also a cheerleader. Who the heck to you think you are? I am sorry, nobody on my squad did anything like these girls. Yes we were typical teenagers and did in trouble but we got punished for it. One difference is that we respected our school, friends, parents, and our teachers. I can just say that I am proud for not acting that way and so is the rest of the school. So goodie for you girls that were "mean girls". I am sure you must be really proud of yourself. Give yourself a pat on the back. I just hope you learned how to respect other people.

  • Posted By: dayton814 @ 08/06/2008 7:31:51 PM

    Comment: I went to high school in the same area as these girls. I was also a cheerleader. Who the heck to you think you are? I am sorry, nobody on my squad did anything like these girls. Yes we were typical teenagers and did in trouble but we got punished for it. One difference is that we respected our school, friends, parents, and our teachers. I can just say that I am proud for not acting that way and so is the rest of the school. So goodie for you girls that were "mean girls". I am sure you must be really proud of yourself. Give yourself a pat on the back. I just hope you learned how to respect other people.

  • Posted By: Tina bby xo x3 @ 08/06/2008 7:04:50 PM

    Comment: Everyone is acting like these girls killed somebody. All they did was have a fun while there young. Honestly cell phones in class is not a big deal, its not going to hurt anybody. As for drinking and sex who are you to judge the life these girls live? Im 26 now and I can honestly say discipline never worked it just made me act out more. What if this was your daughter? You wouldn???t think its that big of a deal. Maybe these girls werent well behaved but it doesnt make them bad people. So leave them alone.

  • Posted By: diane53mo @ 08/06/2008 6:40:52 PM

    Comment: I cannot believe the comments here. People are you listening to yourselves? Cheerleading is a sport, and if they can't conduct themselves appropriately, they should not be allowed to be on the 'team'. As far as the way they talk to their teachers, they should be suspended. As for cell phones in the class room being used, they should be taken away. Since when did the kids start running the show? They are there for an education. As for the principle/parent that allowed this to go on, she obviously is not qualified to have her position. Anyone that says this is just normal teenage actions must be a teenager. Tina...if you can say you acted this way without remorse, then you have a problem. Leave the poor girls alone???Poor girls my behind....if they weren't cheeleaders I daresay they would be in alternative schools...and don't even try to say 'aaah, you must have been a nobody in school' that is not the case, and I would never have dreamed of acting like this. If people keep being accepting of this, then therein lies the problem.

  • Posted By: Tina bby xo x3 @ 08/06/2008 5:37:16 PM

    Comment: I agree with georgiagirl 100 percent. The so called "Fab 5" just acted like normal teenagers. I was Varsity cheerleading captain in high school and me and the rest of the team all had the same behavior as the "Fab 5" None of us where ever disciplined because there was not one person that could handle us. The more people talked the more we acted out because we loved the attention. Just leave the poor girls alone.. If you want to help them that???s the way to do it. Not make a movie out of it. I???m not sayings the behavior is right... but I am sayings that were all guilty of it. Oh and I will add that me and most of my cheerleading team from high school still communicate every now and then and we all have a good head on our shoulders. Its just part of being young.. They will grow up.

  • Posted By: Tina bby xo x3 @ 08/06/2008 5:36:42 PM

    Comment: I agree with georgiagirl 100 percent. The so called "Fab 5" just acted like normal teenagers. I was Varsity cheerleading captain in high school and me and the rest of the team all had the same behavior as the "Fab 5" None of us where ever disciplined because there was not one person that could handle us. The more people talked the more we acted out because we loved the attention. Just leave the poor girls alone.. If you want to help them that???s the way to do it. Not make a movie out of it. I???m not sayings the behavior is right... but I am sayings that were all guilty of it. Oh and I will add that me and most of my cheerleading team from high school still communicate every now and then and we all have a good head on our shoulders. Its just part of being young.. They will grow up.

  • Posted By: YvonneNC @ 08/06/2008 4:57:32 PM

    Comment: Georgiagirl, you have got to be kidding! You sound like your teenage years may have been a while ago, but it's obvious that you haven't learned a thing in the interim. Your reputation was ruined? You mean, by others, not yourself? You admit your behavior was similar to that of the girls in the movie, yet you were embarassed when people talked about it?? I think your social anxiety may just be repercussions from all the brain cells you drowned. You are the epitome of what's wrong with today's youth, whose maturity level has shrunk expoentially from their assumption of entitlement and lack of being held responsible. You are older and still don't get it. Pathetic!

  • Posted By: Georgiagirl6787 @ 08/06/2008 11:43:42 AM

    Comment: I'm not excusing the behavior of these girls but this all seems typical of the behavior of myself and my friends in high school. I think these girls were made to be monsters when really they were just adolescents. My friends and I engaged in much of the same behavior. Alcohol, attitude, boys, etc. are all unfortunately a part of being a teenage girl for many. I feel badly that their behavior was exploited and turned into a Lifetime Movie. My behavior was gossiped about to the point that I developed social anxiety and dropped out of many activities. The snide judgement has affected me into my adult life. My reputation was ruined as mine and my friend's behaviors was blown out of proportion. It was embarassing enough having just a smaller town talk about me. I can't imagine what it's like for these girls to have a whole nation talk about their lives.

  • Posted By: LoveItOrLeaveItUSA2008 @ 08/06/2008 4:02:58 AM

    Comment: Is pius47 for real? I really thought that was a spoof until I realized that you just can't make that much ignorance up. Can't spell, terrible grammar, mixing up meaning of words(moral-morale) making up new words(bigotism? try bigotry). We all put up a typo now and then but that is atrocious. Then to top it off by preaching to us and telling us to "consider the european model". This is the same "Euoropean Model" that we have had to bail out in 2 World Wars because half of them won't fight when given the opportunity(FRENCH) and the other half would rather appease a monster like Hitler(A lot of Brits(not all) and the Italians) than stand up to him. If pius thinks "The European Model" is so great then I would encourage them to take up residency over there and then beg us to come and save them for a 3rd time. This is exactly why I have my daughter in a private school so she won't be exposed to out of control teenagers who are lashing out for attention with promiscuity and other assorted things that plague are schools today and that have nothing to do with education. This is another reason for school choice with vouchers. These things are also in the private schools but not flaunted and if exposed are dealt with swiftly and harshly. Agree 110% with pandbalways. These parents would rather be "best friends" than actually lay down the law with some tough love. And that is what most of these messed up kids need and want. Structure, discipline, attention and somebody to look up to and emulate. Not a best friend that they can party with and manipulate. They are crying out for structure and attention by misbehaving. Some more than others. These "Fab 5" girls are obviously at the extreme of obnoxious behavior, but think God for the coach that finally stood up to them and for the principled independent investigator who took them down several notches and put them in their place. Hopefully, they will all learn from this and won't continue to be parasites on society for the rest of their lives. Volunteering at a VA hospital, a neonatal intensive care unit or some other form of public service would probably do them some good. And God Bless The USA.

  • Posted By: pandbalways @ 08/06/2008 1:06:13 AM

    Comment: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. These so called "parents" need to look at the monster(s) they created. Stuck up, disrespectful, I can do whatever I want BRATS. You should be ashamed of yourselves for letting your daughters get away with this. It's your blood that runs through their veins. SHAME SHAME.

  • Posted By: calypsosee @ 08/06/2008 12:36:31 AM

    Comment: I concur with Fenwick--and I'm rather recently graduated from high school, female and arguably attractive. To all those who want to act like sexual curiosity and some vulgarity among teens is an abomination--I wonder how much of your adolescence you've forgotten.

  • Posted By: calypsosee @ 08/06/2008 12:30:37 AM

    Comment: I concur with Fenwick--and I'm rather recently graduated from high school, female and arguably attractive. To all those who want to act like sexual curiosity and some vulgarity among teens is an abomination--I wonder how much of your adolescence you've forgotten.

  • Posted By: christyk00 @ 08/06/2008 12:19:46 AM

    Comment: Another thing...I'm reading a lot of comments about Texas....isn't our President from Texas?? hmm... :) haha!

    • Posted By: facey06 @ 08/06/2008 22:57:05

      Comment: yeah, he may have been...but look where thats gotten us...hmm...i think you better rethink your argument.

  • Posted By: christyk00 @ 08/06/2008 12:07:43 AM

    Comment: I have a comment for *MFENWICK*....I am also a teacher, and I spent two years as a cheerleading coach (former cheerleader myself...10 years...jh, hs, college)...Just to give you a little background on my experiences as a cheerleader and coaching cheerleading. And I do believe that what you have said, for the most part, is true. And like I said...I've been there done that. I remember what I was like as a cheerleader, and although I didn't realize at the time that I was being "provacitive", I definitely understood the amount of attention I received with that title. I truly did love the sport of cheerleading, for many reasons, not just the attention, but it is hard to not face reality that once in uniforms, cheerleaders' attitudes change. I coached and I had two girls that I coached in cheerleading plus in track later in the year....I HATED their attitudes in cheerleading practices, but once we were running track...they were very able to take criticism and guidance well. The personna "cheerleader" even made the girls different toward me...and I wasn't any different of a coach to the cheerleaders as I was to my track team.
    As for the lusting, I do think that it is natural to think....no one can punish someone for something in their mind as long as their actions do not resemble or allow those thoughts to be known. I think every adult is guilty at looking at someone younger and find a physical attraction....men are definitely more apt to do this because women are more appealing and sexual by nature. And the girls who are in highschool do not look their age...the girls are looking more and more grown up each year. I know that I will be criticized for this comment but I just wanted it to be known that a lot (not all) of what you said is correct with my views on cheerleading....even being one myself for sooo many years. I even hope my daughter takes after her father and becomes a all star soccer player!! (not cheerleader) but of course we will have to wait and see...I would never forbid but I will definitely be a firm and strict parent with behaviors. I used to say about my cheerleader team....in uniform they were a handful, but out of uniform sweet girls.

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/07/2008 00:05:46

      Comment: Finally, an honest person! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Good luck to your daughter in soccer. It's safer than cheerleading and a whole lot less expensive.

  • Posted By: christyk00 @ 08/06/2008 12:04:50 AM

    Comment: I have a comment for *MFENWICK*....I am also a teacher, and I spent two years as a cheerleading coach (former cheerleader myself...10 years...jh, hs, college)...Just to give you a little background on my experiences as a cheerleader and coaching cheerleading. And I do believe that what you have said, for the most part, is true. And like I said...I've been there done that. I remember what I was like as a cheerleader, and although I didn't realize at the time that I was being "provacitive", I definitely understood the amount of attention I received with that title. I truly did love the sport of cheerleading, for many reasons, not just the attention, but it is hard to not face reality that once in uniforms, cheerleaders' attitudes change. I coached and I had two girls that I coached in cheerleading plus in track later in the year....I HATED their attitudes in cheerleading practices, but once we were running track...they were very able to take criticism and guidance well. The personna "cheerleader" even made the girls different toward me...and I wasn't any different of a coach to the cheerleaders as I was to my track team.
    As for the lusting, I do think that it is natural to think....no one can punish someone for something in their mind as long as their actions do not resemble or allow those thoughts to be known. I think every adult is guilty at looking at someone younger and find a physical attraction....men are definitely more apt to do this because women are more appealing and sexual by nature. And the girls who are in highschool do not look their age...the girls are looking more and more grown up each year. I know that I will be criticized for this comment but I just wanted it to be known that a lot (not all) of what you said is correct with my views on cheerleading....even being one myself for sooo many years. I even hope my daughter takes after her father and becomes a all star soccer player!! (not cheerleader) but of course we will have to wait and see...I would never forbid but I will definitely be a firm and strict parent with behaviors. I used to say about my cheerleader team....in uniform they were a handful, but out of uniform sweet girls.

  • Posted By: magdog @ 08/05/2008 10:53:08 PM

    Comment: i think its horrible that the girls were able to go as far with their behavior as they did, but hello do you read the sports pages . everytime i read the paper its another article about some high paid athlete getting fined for something. how bout those Vicks. (all of them are thugs) he would still be allowed to play if he wasnt in jail.schools routinely look the other way if their grades are bad. no consequences mean no conscience.these girls were a product of some kind of bad parenting. sad .

  • Posted By: tallyattwater @ 08/05/2008 9:21:59 PM

    Comment: This goes out to 'Justrealityplz' and 'Tomcat'...to say that I am abhorred by your comments would be an understatement. However, I have to take into consideration that you are no doubt uneducated, overweight and have to get your thrills by either paying for them or using deceit. Your misogynistic undertones under-whelm me as no doubt they do your wives. Take your large ego and your small ***** to another (less informed) site. Thanks!

    • Posted By: Justrealityplz @ 08/06/2008 10:54:56

      Comment: I cannot, yes I can believe that there are still people who cannot bring thierselves to realize that young girls in shorts skirts doing pelvis thrusts do not do something for all men, I have even had a pastor freind who admits that he has to keep his eyes focused on the games or his mind wonders. Get over it if you put your daughter out there to shake her body around she is going to be lusted after. You have just made her the SEX Object and it is by you the parents choice to do that. So do not get upset at the fact that old guys leer at her and young guys drool over her and that she gets away with quite a few things. These girls got away with what they wanted for the most part because of fantasies that the men were having and then there are the mothers who chose to live thier lives through thier daughters so they think all this is a game.. BUT God forbid an older guy should look at her daughter , then he is a pervert.
      This entire situation could be totaly avoided if Parents would act like parents and chose not to let thier young daughters shake it for the team. But there is noone going to agree with that because the men love it and the woment wish they could be them.. Facts of Life
      Grow Up.......

  • Posted By: pius47 @ 08/05/2008 9:09:17 PM

    Comment: Guys:

    We are facing the biggest shame in the manking history!
    We consider fellony if our teenagers have sex, and the worse: put them in jail! Ten years from now the jails will be full of teenagres!!!!!!!!!!!
    We need to build more and more jails.

    This is the most powerful contry in world?
    Think seriously.

    Please consider the European model, where teenagers are going to DISKO at 14 !!!! and can have sex without restriction...and surprisingly...are not getting drunk so often like Americans (73% less drunk at parties than the American teenagers).
    The sexual education is a MUST, beginning with the 5th grade! In our country: is choice of parents!!!

    And guess what? The parents who disagree to educate their children sexually are getting their teenagers pregnant beginning with the 12, or 13 year!!!

    Sometimes there is a boy or girls involved who's 18 or older, a brother of some colleagues...and then time to jail!

    A great shame.

    I am not talking about rape and sexual predators!

    Think about this very carefully, because our children will revolutionize the actual concept, and you will not gon'a believe it!

    Ten years from now the actual legislation will be useless!
    We cannot incarcerate all our teens!

    There is an immediate need to change legislation, and focus on school sexual education as the first priority!!!!

    And now, concerning the cheerleaders: they did exacly what is not allowed! Why? Any teen is doing what is not allowed! It is in the human DNA! You cannot stop it! YOU CANNOT REINFORCE IT EITHER, FOR LONG TIME!

    Slow down and consider the education as the primary tool to deal with sex, otherwise we will face a huge teen revolution in less than 10 years.
    They do not accept your comments or a judge/policeman decision. We are on the edge to run out of control.

    This what we really whant?

    Think in terms of the Playboy magazine 50 years ago, when it was blamed and discredited by any "citizen"...and what happen? It succeded without any major barriers, and not only in the US, in the whole world!

    Do you try to "finish" the hookers...you will never get done this job. They exist since the mankind was born.

    Instead you should think to have some hooker houses that can accomodate our teenager boys, so they can learn how to behave with a women!
    Right now they are like animals unleashed! It is ridiculous! Our daugther are getting frigids, and since they don't get the orgasm they want threesome,. etc...and they are getting what they whant, no matter how risky it is!!!
    This is what we want for our children?

    Conclusion:

    Real sexual education in ANY school begining with the 5th grade!
    Open the Disko at 14! No excuse.

    Morale:
    We were young and we did all these things and worse, and now we reinforce a stupid low that was not instated at that time. The beneficiaries?
    Us. Our children are us. We are hurting US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Stop the bigotism and stupideness!

    Pius47




  • Posted By: Justrealityplz @ 08/05/2008 8:57:06 PM

    Comment: There is not a guy around that does not look at those high school girls everytime they jump and turn and wish he was 18 again. Leering, most women get home and get the best lovin they have in years after a football game..you ever wonder why? TomCat you are right on

  • Posted By: TruthSeeker357 @ 08/05/2008 8:45:01 PM

    Comment: tomcat, you don't know what you're talking about. Teens CAN be "tamed". They haven't always been this way, at least not for the most part, and not the popular kids--only the losers. And your description of living vicariously through teenagers, leering when they are in provocative poses, and your celebration of decadence is sick. Don't include the rest of us when you say "we".

  • Posted By: Truth Seeker357 @ 08/05/2008 8:44:48 PM

    Comment: tomcat, you don't know what you're talking about. Teens CAN be "tamed". They haven't always been this way, at least not for the most part, and not the popular kids--only the losers. And your description of living vicariously through teenagers, leering when they are in provocative poses, and your celebration of decadence is sick. Don't include the rest of us when you say "we".

  • Posted By: Truth Seeker357 @ 08/05/2008 8:41:26 PM

    Comment: tomcat, you don't know what you're talking about. Teens CAN be "tamed". They haven't always been this way, at least not for the most part, and not the popular kids--only the losers. And your description of living vicariously through teenagers, leering when they are in provocative poses, and your celebration of decadence is sick. Don't include the rest of us when you say "we".

  • Posted By: tomcat12 @ 08/05/2008 8:25:43 PM

    Comment: We're being hypocrital, we love cheerleaders doing splits or bend overs. We love teenagers because they fresh and remind us of our younger years. Our society is in decadence and we like it. Yeah, disrespect to elders and authorities is awful but teens can't be tamed. It's the same old storie played one more time but with more publicity.

    • Posted By: Justrealityplz @ 08/05/2008 20:52:26

      Comment: I agree it is very hypocritical, mainly because instead of blaming the adults and talking about thier motives we blame it on the girls..it is easier. It is easier because we do not want to believe that the adult men in these situations thought they could :get something " by ignoring it. We call them pedofiles but we refuse to discuss thier motives. I believe I read even the police looked the other way. I just think it is sad that we live in a society that wants these girls to be sexy and give them anything they want in hopes of recieving something, yet when them problem is discussed everyone totaly ignores the real issues

  • Posted By: falcon24 @ 08/05/2008 8:00:16 PM

    Comment: Is there anyone from this school on this blog?

  • Posted By: AH3571 @ 08/05/2008 7:47:52 PM

    Comment: When are parents going to learn a few simple, common sense things: teenagers and booze is fatal, teenagers without boundaries have no empathy, and you cannot buy your teenager through life.

  • Posted By: AH3571 @ 08/05/2008 7:45:16 PM

    Comment: I have just read this article. When are parents going to learn a few simple things: underage drinking is a killer, when people don't have boundaries they don't have empathy, and you cannot buy everything for your child, including their grades and buy them out of their punishment, and expect them to be upstanding citiizens.

  • Posted By: hadenuff @ 08/05/2008 6:32:43 PM

    Comment: I agree. this guy (mfenwick) has got to be a pedofile and the fact that he is in any school, north or south is horrific! The fact of you , mfenwick, watching girls cheerlead makes my skin CRAWL!

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/05/2008 22:26:03

      Comment: Have you read any other of my posts? Probably not. If you do you will change your opinion of me rather quickly. Be careful who you accuse and of what you accuse that person. You may end up in court. Cyberspace is full of crooks, you know. But for your information, I do not chat to hot teens on the internet nor have I ever had any desire to do so. They are uninteresting conversationalists.

  • Posted By: mikeet99 @ 08/05/2008 6:08:29 PM

    Comment: I think Newsweek should pull mfenwick's info and hopefully it's not fake and turn it over to the proper law enforcement to be investigated to help ensure the kids are safe.

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/05/2008 22:53:56

      Comment: A witch-hunt, perhaps? Just who appointed you God? You are treading on mighty thin legal ice. You have no idea whether or not I am making up this whole thing. Hell, for all you know I may be some old geezer in a nursing home getting in a few kicks before my nightly bath and snack. Turning people in over something you read in cyberspace can land you in jail. Last I read there is still free speech. Just because my free speech upsets you doesn't give you the right to shut me up nor for me to shut you up. Rant all you want about my lustful opinions, whine and cry to Newsweek to shut down my account; I'll just go somewhere else.

  • Posted By: hadenuff @ 08/05/2008 5:55:57 PM

    Comment: to Smartsoutherner. Guess Agin.

  • Posted By: Lani11 @ 08/05/2008 5:52:06 PM

    Comment: Someone needs to find the guy who wrote this comment:

    Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/05/2008 2:36:12 PM
    Comment: Cheerleading and ballet both are art forms, demanding a great deal from their participates. Ballet, however, is not sexual despite the close proximity of everyone involved. You seem really defensive. I admire, adore, and yes, even lust after cheerleaders. They are to be highly respected, no doubt about that. But now let's not sugarcoat the sport with all the sappy Hoorah! Hoorah! nonsense. You know very well what I have written about cheerleading is true. Also, I never implied that all or even some cheerleaders were sluts or whores! Just because a girl wants to be sexual doesn't mean she's loose. Cheerleading gives a girl a chance to be sexual without being ashamed or to have her parents or friends put her down, telling her to , "Stop acting that way; you want people to get the wrong idea about you?" I love pep rallies, to tell you the truth. Our cheerleaders can do their thing out there, all to the delight of a grateful audience. I teach English, by the way. I am 47 and still love to watch cute girls "shake their thing" out on the court. That's part of the fun of sports. Again, I see nothing wrong with cheerleading being the sexual sport that it is; I look forward to all the ball games and those little teasers winking at me.


    ...and they need to remove him from his class and the school. Creepy!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Lani11 @ 08/05/2008 5:48:29 PM

    Comment: I absolutely agree. The "teacher" below needs to be located and relieved of his position!!

  • Posted By: mikeet99 @ 08/05/2008 5:46:22 PM

    Comment: I find it funny how many of these comments are so way off base, these are little girls that got out of line and were caught. What does it have to do with the the entire population of Texas or anywhere else. When I last checked we were all still part of the US, north or south, the Civil War ended along time ago guys.

  • Posted By: AlgonquinB @ 08/05/2008 5:45:04 PM

    Comment: A) I feel sorry for the previous coaches all of whom had to quit b) I feel sorry for the strip club managers that will have to deal with these wretched wenches for the next two decades c) I really feel sorry for any man who gets trapped in their clutches d) the North won e) religion is for the weak and ignorant.

  • Posted By: crystal13 @ 08/05/2008 4:51:31 PM

    Comment: EXCUSE ME MFENWICK THE POLICE NEED TO FIND YOU WHERE EVER YOU ARE. YOU ARE A TEACHER AND YOU ARE LUSTING AFTER TEENAGE GIRLS. GIVE US A CLUE WHERE TO LOCATE YOU BECAUSE YOU NEED HELP.

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/05/2008 22:39:50

      Comment: You cannot control what goes on in another person's mind. You can control or prevent his actions only. I have never nor will I ever touch anyone under 18. I have taught for 20 years and have an impeccable record. True, I am not as well-liked as I once was due to my stance on the Iraqi War and a few other issues, but that's just too bad. I do not apologize at all for my lecherous comments. I am being honest. If every male teacher were honest he would say the same things. Yes, I attend the car washes every spring, summer, and fall and donate up to $2,000 of my own money to help the cheerleaders of our school attend camp, buy new uniforms, attend NCA championships, etc. I even volunteer to drive the van or chaperone when needed. Cheerleading is not viewed as a sport at our school, despite the many attempts by the boosters. I would say with all the help and support I give our cheerleaders I am entitled to a little naughtiness, wouldn't you?

      • Posted By: marybeth08 @ 08/05/2008 23:44:00

        Comment: ewww no. they are children. naughtiness is not allowed. period and it is ridiculous that you think it should be regardless of their choice in extra curriculars. As an educator it is your job to protect the students and it doesn't sound like you are doing a very good job. What if one of those girls was your daughter?!

  • Posted By: voiceofreason99 @ 08/05/2008 12:05:05 PM

    Comment: ...and please forgive my misspellings -- I went to a northern high school.

  • Posted By: voiceofreason99 @ 08/05/2008 11:46:02 AM

    Comment: OK, as far as the quality of education in the south goes, let me, a "damned Yankee" reply with a simple recounting of the first meeting of teachers and parents before the opening of my step-son's high school in northwest Mississippi.

    My wife and I attended the meeting with the expectation that we would learn about the curriculum to be offered to the new students and to get aquainted with some of the teachers. For approximately and hour and a half we the faculty and administrators spoke. Funny thing though, of all the faculty members who spoke, none discussed college preparation, advanced education courses, etc. Each and every one of the faculty members who spoke discussed the team they were coaching and how the would build a program of excellence in athletics. They asked for our patience in building the program, as the school was new and would take time to develop. Again, NOT A SINGLE FACULTY MEMBER DISCUSSED ACADEMICS. For those who choose to pooh-pooh the comments of "mpmumau" and having lived here three years as well as previously in Texas, I can say unquivocally, the emphasis of athletics in southern schools is far greater than it should be. There is simply no denying it. Of course there will be exceptions, but overall, academics just are not emphasized as much as athletics are.

  • Posted By: falcon24 @ 08/05/2008 11:24:49 AM

    Comment: I agree with you...

  • Posted By: falcon24 @ 08/05/2008 11:21:27 AM

    Comment: wasntborn, I do not have a direct line to God however, I do(and every other person) has a direct line to Jesus and he has a direct line to his father. Also, you are right about people calling themselves Christians and still doing evil things however, just like being good dosn't make you a Christian on the other hand messing up and being bad sometimes dosn't mean that you are not a Christian. Being a Christian dosn't mean that you will not mess up every now and then. After all, we are all human and will make mistakes but through Jesus, you can be forgivin by only asking. This is the gift that WE ALL have been givin.

  • Posted By: falcon24 @ 08/05/2008 10:26:09 AM

    Comment: wasntborn, I'm sorry that affends you but it's the truth. Just being good will not get you to heaven. You have to ask Jesus into your life. It is between you and him and no man can say that your sins have been forgiven. Only God can do that. Please read your bible.

    • Posted By: wasntborninTX @ 08/05/2008 11:04:59

      Comment: falcon, you didn't offend me, but you just proved my point! Narrowminded people won't get into heaven no matter if they accept Jesus or not... actions speak louder than professing your faith on a streetcorner.

  • Posted By: YellowRoseofTexas @ 08/05/2008 1:28:58 AM

    Comment: Smartsoutherner, you are delusional if you think that Northerners do not have morals and that distinction goes to southerners. I live in Texas and, at one time, lived just outside McKinney, Texas where this took place. I am certain this is not geographical but just the way some kids are, especially when there are no consequences for bad behavior. I can't tell you how many times the "most polite and respectful people anyone will ever meet" have worshiped with me and a few minutes later try to run me off the road getting to a restaurant before the crowd. People are people no matter where they are from. The Civil War ended and the south lost. Get over it. This is about bad behavior, no discipline, lack of parenting, refusal to enforce school policy, and a sense of entitlement. By the way, you should reconsider the "smart" portion of your ID. The word is ACCEPT not EXCEPT. But then maybe you really meant except being from the south and all. Enough so-called Christians who "believe in something bigger and who hold high morals" are really hypocrites as well as southerners. Remember Paul Tilton, James Baker, Jimmy Swaggart, Lonnie Latham, Earl Paulk, Coy Privette, Joe Barron, Pat Roberts, and Oral Roberts, and Benny Hinn. There is enough adultery, homosexuality, drugs, illegal use of funds, pregnancies as a result of elicit affairs and financial scams to shut your smug mouth. And this is from one southern gal to another.

    • Posted By: wasntborninTX @ 08/05/2008 09:45:23

      Comment: Yellow Rose... I couldn't have said it better. Let's deal with the real issue, parents and school administrators who looked the other way instead of holding these girls responsible for their actions. This has NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with poor parenting.

  • Posted By: BegYourPardun @ 08/04/2008 11:35:42 PM

    Comment: I was captain of my highschool's JV squad when I was in school, and this kind of behaviour would not have been tolerated. I am appalled by this situation. It makes me so sick what is happening to our youth. No respect for authority, strangers or their elders. What has happened in this country? I know that not all kids are bad, but just knowing that this kind of thing goes on.......well it's just shameful and embarrassing. My heart grieves for the loss of our nation's collective innocence. To all of the parents out there taking responsibility for your children's actions instead of making excuses and cover-ups for them, I salute you. God bless everyone who's doing their best to raise good, decent, respectable kids, and shame on those who hide their heads in the sand or even participate in their children's delinquence.

  • Posted By: QTMommy @ 08/04/2008 11:11:41 PM

    Comment: This is a sad case of parents and officials not having their priorities in order. These girls probably should have been expelled, and forced to repeat senior year based on what I have read and watched. Although it is infuriating to me personally that this type of behavior was tolerated for such a long period of time without any real consequesnces, what can you expect when you allow children to live out the debased lives they see on television? In these days and times children have no respect for adults, and yes, it does start with the parents. Being a Southerner, I know all too well that who you know and what influences those people have plays deeply into what you will get away with. I applaud Mrs. Ward because I might have hauled off and slapped one of those girls, which just goes to show I was never meant to be in the school system...because I am sane. Hopefully these young girls will at least realize that they can not go through life doing whatever they want without facing some type of consequences. They may be too far gone to care now. There is always someone bigger and badder around the corner willing to show you just how weak you really are if you choose to follow a destructive life pattern.

  • Posted By: beachbunny000 @ 08/04/2008 11:08:24 PM

    Comment: I just finished watching the movie, I am appalled at the lack of dicipline by the parents and the principal of the Fab 5, I was thoroughly disgusted and revolted at their disrespect! I cannot see those girls getting into a good college due to their immature behaviour, rudeness, and lack of self-control. As a business owner I would never higher any of these girls, they need to be shunned. They were and are not children, they were out of control teenagers and their parents should be ASHAMED as to what they have raised. The whole lot needs counselling. Hurrah for the coach who was honorable and had the courage to tell the truth. Those girls actually are criminals, they were bullies, they belong in jail and their parents should lose custody of any other children they have due to neglect. I hope all the parents of the Fab5 including the principal, Linda Theret, read this. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON ALL OF YOU who covered up the disrespect, the disobedience and enabled these girls to continue with their antics and criminal behavior.

  • Posted By: tallyattwater @ 08/04/2008 11:05:19 PM

    Comment: Formal apology.My indignation was aimed at 'smartsoutherner' not 'smartgirl61'. I do apologise 'smartgirl61'.

  • Posted By: tallyattwater @ 08/04/2008 11:02:22 PM

    Comment: Having just watched the movie, I also sat in horror but not in total disbelief. I've lived in TX for quite a few years and this is quite an accurate portrayal of an element (thankfully relatively small) of teenage kids there. Too much of Daddy's money to fret about spending and parents whose focus is on 'who can have the biggest house and fastest car'. A lot of them are the most hypocritical bunch of people that you could wish to meet. Absolutely they are friendly on the surface, but for many that is where it stays - nothing of real substance. Sorry y'all if you disagree! And as for the girl who claims to be 'smartgirl61' - you do realise that your grammar and spelling are appalling, don't you?! For goodness sake at least use spell-check if you have the audacity to put 'smart' in your screen-name....

  • Posted By: lmorrica @ 08/04/2008 10:56:52 PM

    Comment: Those of you who are talking about how christianity has something to do with this. It does and it doesn't. It has to do with a crappy school district not punishing girls who deserve it and crappy parenting where these parents don't punish their children either. One parent in this movie did the right thing...the others should take note. I am 20 and I was a cheerleader in highschool...my school would never have let us get away with ANYTHING like this! Parents and the school district are to blame for this. It has nothing to do with god....it would help if the "trashy sluts" would read a passage from the bible but it comes down to parents letting children do what they want and then the children thinking they should have it and expect it!

  • Posted By: smartgirl61 @ 08/04/2008 10:51:33 PM

    Comment: I am watching the movie right now and I have NEVER been so disgusted in my life. I cannot believe that 5 people, along with others in the school, were able to get away with such awful behavior. I really cannot blame the girls because the adults, including the Principal and parents were the real culprits. The HERO was the cheerleading coach who through all adversity, she stood up to the "powers that be". We definitely need more people like her in the world.

  • Posted By: smartgirl61 @ 08/04/2008 10:50:26 PM

    Comment: I am watching the movie right now and I have NEVER been so disgusted in my life. I cannot believe that 5 people, along with others in the school, were able to get away with such awful behavior. I really cannot blame the girls because the adults, including the Principal and parents were the real culprits. The HERO was the cheerleading coach who through all adversity, she stood up to the "powers that be". We definitely need more people like her in the world.

  • Posted By: divinspiration @ 08/04/2008 10:33:48 PM

    Comment: Why are people so surprised at the antics of these girls? They just represent the culture we live in. All the movies, television shows, music, videos, video games, Internet sites and anything else that could influence American youth send the message that disrespect is hilarious, go out and get money, do whatever feels good. We encourage our young girls to use their bodies to manipulate people. We encourage our young men to use as many girls as they like in order to be real men. We teach our children that material wealth is the goal of life. No wonder these girls are behaving the way they are. Our society has created them. American youth have become like Frankenstein's monster. Only a true revival can save our nation now.

  • Posted By: lambo1259 @ 08/04/2008 10:15:07 PM

    Comment: I cannot believe that as a mother she aloud her daughter to manipulate her they way she did...along with the school. They were defiantly shown preferental treatment. As far as being from the south...I don't care where you are from...what they did was WRONG!!! And that doesn't mean all "southerns" are that way...just like if it happened any where else doens't make any place bad. SO they did what they did and look now they get...a movie made about them...so they did wrong...but now they are "stars".

  • Posted By: stevie111 @ 08/04/2008 10:02:35 PM

    Comment: All I have to say is that as a teacher, the behavior of that principal was absolutely disgusting. As educators, we have a standard to uphold. And those five little witches, should've gotten kicked out of school. They were nothing but little whores who thought that they ruled the school. Good luck to them and getting jobs when they are adults. I'm watching the movie as we speak and it's amazing how many parents just let their children do whatever they want.

  • Posted By: smartsoutherner @ 08/04/2008 8:32:55 PM

    Comment: And also I watched the movie last night and funny how I didn't notice one person mentioning christainity. You "northerners" are the first to stand up for equal opportunity and and excepting everyone, but Y'ALL sure are quick to judge us for what we believe in. I'm sorry we believe in something bigger than ourselves and we hold high moral values. Southerners are the most polite and respectful people anyone will ever meet., where I come from the way some of yall are talkin' is just bad manners and unladylike and I could probably teach you a thing or two about all that if you like. And real southern girls would never act like that, they must be from out of state.

    • Posted By: hadenuff @ 08/05/2008 17:54:22

      Comment: to smartsoutherner. Guess again.

      • Posted By: grace05 @ 08/05/2008 19:47:59

        Comment: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE SOMEONE WAS BORN OR RAISED.
        IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE EDUCATION PARENTS GIVE THEIR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: smartsoutherner @ 08/04/2008 8:22:05 PM

    Comment: There are to many generalizations being made about the south. Up north everyone gets mugged and everything is dirty does that sound right?No it doesn't. I by no means live in an impoverished town and anyone who can say that about an entire region is just about as ignorant as they think us southerners are. The facts are there are mean girls everywhere. Does it matter that they were cheerleaders or southern? Where was that mean girls movie set anyways, not in the SOUTH. And how did this whole message board become a finger pointing contest? Last I checked the war between north and south was over it should stay that way

  • Posted By: falcon24 @ 08/04/2008 7:54:49 PM

    Comment: By your hostility MPM, I take it that my comments struck a nerve. That is what God intended. There may be hope for you yet..You are in my prayers buddy...

    • Posted By: mpmumau @ 08/04/2008 20:03:51

      Comment: If God intended anything, it was for me to prove your incorrect views wrong. Mission accomplished, God!

  • Posted By: DDTPLS @ 08/04/2008 6:39:41 PM

    Comment: The problem with Texas is that it is a good ole' boy (or girl) state.

    Also those girls are going to have to go to work one day and will have a really hard time of it when they learn the hard way they can't get away with the same things in the work place they got away with at that school. Waht goes arouncd comes around.

  • Posted By: idonow @ 08/04/2008 6:17:47 PM

    Comment: some body should have told these girls; "before you do anything to disgrace your uniform you should take it off" oh wait they proabably did

  • Posted By: obraxton @ 08/04/2008 5:17:32 PM

    Comment: The issue is, we have to start early with our children. I have a 3 week old with me right now, and I cry to God that I train him in the way he SHOULD go, so that he would not depart from it. Seeing these teens in the movie on Lifetime last night is part of a lifelong process of being accomodating and making these girls think the wrong things in life are important.

  • Posted By: obraxton @ 08/04/2008 5:14:55 PM

    Comment: Falcon24: I live in New Jerey and I am in love wih Jesus. I'm from South Carolina, and thought that the north was less moral than the Bible Belt region, but I was wrong, I live near urban areas and there are churches on every street corner and missionaries trying to help people. It was the Christians here that ministered to me and brought me back to the Lord, yes, there are many more religions and anti-faith movements in the North, but the Christians that live and fight the good fight against the principalities should be prayed for. Just please, don't generalize people for where they live

    • Posted By: falcon24 @ 08/04/2008 19:17:28

      Comment: Obraxton, You are exactly right. It wasn't my intention to offend any Christian brothers or sisters where ever they may be. I know that there are good people in the north that do not have the same opinion as mpmumau(whatever that stands for) but I get a little defensive when I see thoughtless comments made about my state and much more about my Lord.
      wasntborninTX, I WAS born in Texas and I know that , after reading my reply comments to mpm, most Texans, and true Christians would agree with what I wrote. I did get a little out of line with my insinuating that children raised in the north are not raised properly and for this I appologize.I know that Christianity is not geographical though there are areas that need more prayer than others. I also did not bring religion into this topic until this guy had already went there(read his comments again) and I will defend both my state and my religion if attacked like it was. Your right about one thing, you don't have to be a Christian to be moral however, being only moral dosn't make you a Christian and as a fellow Christian, you should know this.

      • Posted By: wasntborninTX @ 08/05/2008 10:02:32

        Comment: You wrote: "being only moral doesn't make you a Christian". What difference does that make. Does that mean that if you are not a Christian, you are wrong? Because you follow a different faith, you're destined to burn in the fires of hell? I don't know what God you follow, but the one that I do is a tolerant loving God and has no patience for those that aren't. Get over it! Choose to follow whatever faith based path you wish, but don't criticize those that follow a different path. I know many "Christians" that are the most evil, vile people on the planet. They profess to follow God and then cheat, lie, commit adultery. Give me a break! Words speak louder than actions.

        I am sooo sick of the right wing moral fundamentalists that believe that their way is the only way. Do you have a direct line to God? What makes you right and those of other faiths wrong? Are they right and Christians are wrong? Maybe we are all correct and we are all the chosen ones... let's start acting like it!

  • Posted By: obraxton @ 08/04/2008 5:13:26 PM

    Comment: Falcon24: I live in New Jerey and I am in love wih Jesus. I'm from South Carolina, and thought that the north was less moral than the Bible Belt region, but I was wrong, I live near urban areas and there are churches on every street corner and missionaries trying to help people. It was the Christians here that ministered to me and brought me back to the Lord, yes, there are many more religions and anti-faith movements in the North, but the Christians that live and fight the good fight against the principalities should be prayed for. Just please, don't generalize people for where they live

  • Posted By: wasntborninTX @ 08/04/2008 3:50:35 PM

    Comment: All, please don't judge all Texans by Falcon 24's comments! I am not an atheist (God forbid, I'm a Catholic in the Bible Belt!) This isn't about religion, it's about a few parents who had no control over their kids. This can happen in Texas, Pennsylvania, NY, NJ, or any one of the 50 states. It shows that as a nation, we have turned away from raising our children to become lawful, responsible adults. You don't need to be a Christian to be moral! And Falcon24, remember this "Judge not less ye be judged." I hope God doesn't read the comments you made about your fellow man!

  • Posted By: falcon24 @ 08/04/2008 2:26:37 PM

    Comment: Now your comments all makes sense. Your an atheist. You probably don't understand this but this is the biggest problem America faces as a nation. I appologize for putting you in Texas or anywhere else in the south and I'm relieved that you live in the north so you can't poison our childrens minds with your philosophical beliefs and liberal opinions however, I do feel sorry for your children. You probably feel that believing in such things as Christianity and God is only for the week minded like the southern people of the United States.and you are way to sophisticated for such non-sense as that with your northern upbringing. Whether you believe it or not, my friend, you are the week minded and one of these days God is going to show you just how much..

    • Posted By: mpmumau @ 08/04/2008 19:38:56

      Comment: LOL yeah I wouldn't want to inflict great thinkers like Aristotle, Descartes, Kant, Nietzsche or any of the other philosophers who have studied religion and vast amounts of other subjects in great depth on your children. That would be poison. I also wouldn't even waste time mentioning to you that if you took the time to pick up a book or two you might find you'd even agree with some of those great thinkers. The fact is, however, that education requires objectivity, something I wouldn't imagine you could conjur up in your best efforts. I don't believe in God, but I also don't mind that others do because I don't think there's a way either side can be absolutely sure. However, forcing Christianity down the throats of our children, especially in a public school where not all students enrolled might agree with that viewpoint, is wrong. And creating something called "intelligent design" to warp the study of theology, which has been explored by far more intelligent people that you and I for thousands of years, is quite frankly laughable. The only reason I made that side point in the first place is because that entire concept came out of southern, Christian schools, especially in places where football and cheerleading tend to be taken way too seriously for comfort. The issue isn't whether or not good or bad schools exist in other parts of the country. If they exist in other parts as well, they deserve a bad wrap, too. It just seems to be that these kinds of news stories that reveal that entire towns are uneducated and poor leaders seem to happen more often than not in the south. I don't believe there is such a thing as a person who can't change or become better or smarter, when people like you, who believe that saying something louder or more aggresively, makes what they say right lead people, there is no chance for improvement -- only wallowing in self-pride. So enjoy the south, which will remain in the dark ages about issues that the rest of the country has resolved decades if not hundreds of years ago. Wouldn't want to ask you to do something horrendous like read a book!

      • Posted By: blak9221 @ 08/06/2008 01:50:26

        Comment: Oh please! It's evident that you've never been to the South and only believed what you've seen on TV. Christianity is certainly not forced down the throats of our childern and it a very diverse environment and you should take a look at yourself before calling other close-minded. Ever heard of the Texas Medical Center? Perhaps M.D. Anderson? They are the ones trying the make the world a better and healthier place, advancing medical reasearch and knowledge everyday. Oh how abuot Dr. Debakey, who has proabably saved the life of one of your relatives. Yeah, defefintely in the Dark Ages. I suppose people up North have already discovered a cure of cancer? Heck, probably Death the way you talk about it!

  • Posted By: wasntborninTX @ 08