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  • Posted By: groselee @ 08/21/2008 5:49:10 PM

    Did you not see the part where I said the parents are to blame. You ignorant, narrowminded, idiot. teenagers may know right from wrong, but the majority will abuse power if givin to them. they are still kids learning to live in the real world.

  • Posted By: pixieflyby @ 08/20/2008 5:37:49 PM

    Just because they were kids doesnt excuse their behavior. They were old enough to know better. for some reason, they got out of control with themselves. They are to blame along with their parents for not raising them properly. They were a bunch of spoiled brats and they used their popularity to wreak havic on that school. Shame on them and those whose condoned it. Moral to the story....you better keep an eye on your kids and make them walk a straight line because in the Real World, they will get eaten up. Cheerleading doesnt mean a damn thing out there, being popular doesnt mean a damn thing out there. Kids need parental guidance not pals and buddies to guide them. Wake Up!!!!!!

  • Posted By: tianna2683 @ 08/13/2008 7:54:27 PM

    WOW ALL THIS JUST CASE SOME KIDS TOOK PICS IN A CONDOM STORE. I DIDNT KNOW THAT WAS ILLEAGAL. TEENAGERS EXPERIMENT W/ ALCAHOL ALL THE TIME . THAT IS WHATS CALLED THE TEEN AGE EXPERIANCE. THEY NEED TO GET OVER IT!

  • Posted By: lexieloveee @ 08/13/2008 5:22:21 PM

    i tottally agree with you, groselee. i just graduated myself and i can tell you what, if i am given too much freedom.. i run with it and use it how i can, i really totally agree with everything you said it's so true... and mfenwick there is to a god.. he is amazing i love him with my whole heart and body.. it's people like you who don't believe in him that give us war and sin.. you can blame yourself

  • Posted By: groselee @ 08/11/2008 9:25:02 PM

    Oh so you were all perfect little angels in high school? Give me a break. These girls for the most part acted like teenagers and it has nothing to do with cheerleaders, you can find mean girls in any group. You should hope they better themselves as the get older and one day, as we all do, realize what ass holes they were in high school. Sorry to burst your bubble but all teenagers are selfish jerks. But they're kids and if anything the parents are to blame for not raising there children right.And sitting here calling people you dont know names when you dont know there side of the story plus the fact that they were kids, makes you no better. And if you give any child that much power hell yes they are going to take advantage of it!! From everything I've heard it sounds more like the coach just wanted some attention and blew things out of proportion

  • Posted By: Cheer Mom in Texas @ 08/01/2008 7:10:52 PM

    To mfenwick: So if cheerleading is strictly a sexual sport, partly because of the short skirts???the same could be said for football (those pants are really tight), swimming (Speedos), gymnastics (leotard), ballet dancing (again, men's and women's leotard), among other sports. So let's just ban all sports from high school! The idea of competition at cheer tryouts is so these girls can be socially accepted is BS. That competition happens at football tryouts and every other sport that has tryouts.

    What happened was GIRLS behaving badly. It has nothing to do with them being cheerleaders. I can guarantee that behavior does not happen with every cheerleader across the board...GUARANTEED!

    Those girls would have behaved the same way whether they were cheerleaders or not but because there was a mom who was principal at the same school and the photos were posted on the internet AND the former sponsor called the news media???there was much more attention given to this situation than should have been.

    Shame on the parents for allowing their daughters to act this way! (Notice there was no mention of cheerleader in the previous statement?)

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/02/2008 1:27:38 PM

      In none of the other sports you mentioned can girls shake their hips, twitch their butts, throw their legs up in the air to show off to the predominately male crowd, or dance provocatively without being labeled, and you know it. Cheerleading is a modern-day version of a tribal pre-war ritual in which the females excite the passions of the male warriors in preparation for battle. This includes sexual arousal, of course. This is why most cheerleaders are girls (and wear tintillating uniforms) and most football and basketball players are boys. True, there is a sexual element to all sports since we are dealing with the human body, just look at all the college and pro- sports' scandals, but cheerleading is decidedly sexual in nature. And like I told you before, this gives the participates a sense of power and entitlement not known in other sports. Girls like to use this newfound confidence in their sexual prowess to manipulate and control boys, and to bully other girls. None of this exists in other sports.

      • Posted By: Cheer Mom in Texas @ 08/04/2008 11:03:12 PM

        Remember it was you who said that cheerleading was a sexual sport partly because of the short skirts...not me. Choose your words more wisely next time. And...dance provacatively? Have you EVER been to a ballet? Some of the ballets are extremely sexually suggestive. I will admit the beat to the music is different but at least there are no men or males of the species slowly caressing my daughter's body within inches of her breasts...that happens in ballet. What is not sexually suggestive about that?

        BTW, we have male squad members on both the junior high and varsity squads...Go Team! And I'd love to see you take on our girl's basketball team. They would mow you down!

        FYI...not all cheerleaders are sluts or whores as you imply. And yes, bullying does occur in ALL sports. How old are you that you could be so out of touch with reality?

        But I will give it to you that some girls do get carried away. It happened last year on our squad with two seniors. They danced provacatively and it was handled swiftly!

        • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/05/2008 2:36:12 PM

          Cheerleading and ballet both are art forms, demanding a great deal from their participates. Ballet, however, is not sexual despite the close proximity of everyone involved. You seem really defensive. I admire, adore, and yes, even lust after cheerleaders. They are to be highly respected, no doubt about that. But now let's not sugarcoat the sport with all the sappy Hoorah! Hoorah! nonsense. You know very well what I have written about cheerleading is true. Also, I never implied that all or even some cheerleaders were sluts or whores! Just because a girl wants to be sexual doesn't mean she's loose. Cheerleading gives a girl a chance to be sexual without being ashamed or to have her parents or friends put her down, telling her to , "Stop acting that way; you want people to get the wrong idea about you?" I love pep rallies, to tell you the truth. Our cheerleaders can do their thing out there, all to the delight of a grateful audience. I teach English, by the way. I am 47 and still love to watch cute girls "shake their thing" out on the court. That's part of the fun of sports. Again, I see nothing wrong with cheerleading being the sexual sport that it is; I look forward to all the ball games and those little teasers winking at me.

          • Posted By: mikeet99 @ 08/05/2008 5:33:27 PM

            mfenwick, you need to get out of teaching and seek some help, sexual sport? WTF is wrong with you?

            • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/05/2008 10:19:15 PM

              Oh, good god! Get a grip on yourself, son. I have never nor will I ever lay a hand on any of my students or on anyone else's students. I am simply sharing observations and thoughts. You know damn well the things I have posted are very true. The fact that so many posters who are appalled at my comments are now coming out of the woodwork and will no doubt start a witchhunt is proof that what I have written is fact, not fiction. What does it matter whether or not I teach? My opinions and thoughts will be the same. You may be able to prevent my acts but you cannot control my thoughts. I daresay there is not one male high school teacher who has not lusted or at least given a second glance to some of the girls parading down the halls, giggling and whispering to one another. Why are you afraid of me? Oh, yes the typical ignorant American attitude toward youth and sex. What we don't understand, we fear; what we fear, we hate.

              • Posted By: Cheer Mom in Texas @ 08/08/2008 2:30:34 AM

                I find your comments very disturbing for a teacher. Cosider getting out of the field before you let your lust take hold., please.

                And, I beg to differ on your interpretation of the ballet. Ballet is a very sensual experience...look up the definition of sensual. I believe you will find I was correct.

                BTW, Mr. English teacher, God should be capitalized. I sure hope you aren't a teacher in our district!

                • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/08/2008 8:08:25 PM

                  I deliberately do not capitalize god because the concept is man-made. There is no god, plain and simple. If there is a god then why is our nation at war? And why do most Christians, who claim to worship the Prince of Peace, vote for a warmongering president and are all in favor of war? Anyway, ballet is extremely sensual, I fully agree. I've been teaching a long time, my dear. If lust hasn't taken over by now it never will.

          • Posted By: mikeet99 @ 08/05/2008 5:40:38 PM

            You need to leave the field of teaching as I don't think what your teaching is English. Cheerleading a "sexual sport"? WTF is wrong with you? Do you have daughers? You lust after them also?
            They are still kids and 99.9% are doing it for fun not for some sexual kick. Hell at least go to pro-games as at least they are of legal age.

  • Posted By: Dana4310 @ 08/08/2008 4:25:44 PM

    They've all graduated now, right? I want to know where they are now. I hope they are getting their a**es handed to them in the window of a fast-food drive through somewhere. It is hard to believe that a whole town/community can exist under the circumstances that breed this type of behavior.

  • Posted By: anon100 @ 08/08/2008 3:47:16 PM

    I don't care if you're from Texas and all that matters is football and cheerleading in the end none of it will matter when they move on in life. Who cares what goes on in locker rooms, the fact of the matter is is that these girls were allowed to do anything they wanted. It was the lack of discipline from the parents, school, etc. They have no one to blame except for themselves and I really I don't care if they want to forget about what they did, they should be reminded of it. Life is not pretty in the real world so maybe it'll help them remember that the world does not revolve around them. Also, Tina thats great you want to defend them but regardless of the movie and regardless of whether these girls had "difficult" lives outside of school, it gives them no excuse for their actions. They are not angels and I'm glad they are being made into examples of what can happen when you don't discipline your children.

  • Posted By: anon100 @ 08/08/2008 3:46:18 PM

    I don't care if you're from Texas and all that matters is football and cheerleading in the end none of it will matter when they move on in life. Who cares what goes on in locker rooms, the fact of the matter is is that these girls were allowed to do anything they wanted. It was the lack of discipline from the parents, school, etc. They have no one to blame except for themselves and I really I don't care if they want to forget about what they did, they should be reminded of it. Life is not pretty in the real world so maybe it'll help them remember that the world does not revolve around them. Also, Tina thats great you want to defend them but regardless of the movie and regardless of whether these girls had "difficult" lives outside of school, it gives them no excuse for their actions. They are not angels and I'm glad they are being made into examples of what can happen when you don't discipline your children.

  • Posted By: china3071 @ 08/08/2008 1:39:36 PM

    maybe some of you don't come from the good ol' state of Texas where football and cheerleading can be the all or nothing for not only the students but the adults even more so. How soon we forget the mother killing the other cheerleader just to get her daughter on the squad-not a far stretch of the imagination to think in a state where footbal and cheerleading can and sometimes is even more important than social graces and education, that FIVE OF THE MAYBE MORE BEAUTIFUL OR AT LEAST CONFIRMED WELL CONNECTED girls were shown extreme predjudice in discipline not onlt at home but at school. I'm finding it VERY hard to believe any of these girls are now walking around town with the heads down in any kind of shame. You can believe this Texas girl when I tell you, there has been a BIG out pouring of support for thses girls and the priciple who looked the other way. Has anyone investigated what the football team may be up to at that school? I've never seen the cheerleaders act up like that without having someone to impress.

    • Posted By: Cheer Mom in Texas @ 08/08/2008 2:26:37 PM

      FYI...the plan was to kill the other cheerleader's mother, not the cheerleader, and it never happened. No one was ever killed. Really stupid to let it even go that far though. And the stories I've heard from the locker room...yeah, the football players get away with a lot that most would consider in extremely inappropriate in the locker room. But what happens in the locker room, stays in the locker room. And that's crap too! I agree with you.

  • Posted By: 1Anonymous1 @ 08/08/2008 1:31:38 PM

    Are you kidding me????

    Gee whiz, finally my real purpose in life has been revealed - how can I ever thank you "Justrealityplz"??

  • Posted By: 1Anonymous1 @ 08/08/2008 1:30:30 PM

    To Justrealityplz

    Are you KIDDING me?

    Gee whiz - all of my purpose in life has just been exposed - how can I ever thank you?

  • Posted By: KSSW @ 08/08/2008 6:49:58 AM

    Listen, even if you don't like how mfenwick expressed himself, he has said nothing illegal. I don't necessarily think he expressed his point in a fashion all could tolerate and thus "get", but I think I understand what he's getting at here.....

    I am a social worker and when I was new to the field, I had a supervisor discuss with me similar issues. I work with kids and families. We were discussing a father of one of the kids we work with who was particularly good looking. I then basically apologized for saying how good looking he was. She stated to me that when she was doing therapy with teenagers, she met with a young man, who was 16 or 17. She said that when she met him, she was aware of his good looks, tall frame, etc. She said she was conflicted by this until she spoke with her supervisor, at the time a highly revered clinician in both Kansas and nationally. She said he told her that despite our careers and love of helping children, teachers, therapists, etc are still human. This being said, being aware of "being aware" of a pubescent young person is important. If an adult is of aware of a youth's sexuality, looks, physicality, etc, that is natural and human. Crossing that line and being a pedophile as I saw someone write here, it an entirely different and unnatural thing. I would be willing to put money on the fact that there is not one person here who, if they could get past their own bias and sexual repression, has not looked at a young person (and I mean 16, 17, NOT 10, 11, 12, 13.....you get the point, which is what I think fenwick was really talking about) and said "Wow, that kid is really good looking and man don't I wish I was that age again." Just recently, I met a neighbor's 17 year old brother and thought "what a cutie" and he was. That doesn't mean I was going to have sex with him or whatever, it meant I was aware that at 17, he was already a good looking kid with his own sense of self and sexuality and I was mindful of my own reaction to him.

    • Posted By: Cheer Mom in Texas @ 08/08/2008 11:47:58 AM

      I can assure you I have never looked at any of my 18 year old son's friends or my 16 year old daughter's friends and thought boy I wish I was back in high school. Yes, I have thought about how attractive they are but NEVER have I ever wished I was young again because of how one of my children's friends or school mates looked or acted (flirty). That's sick in my opinion. If you are wanting to be that age again because of your attraction to that 16 or 17 year old person, that is borderline pedophilia. You just haven't crossed the line yet. Admitting they are good looking is fine but never wishing you were young again because of the way a child looks. IMO, if you have thoughts of wishing you were young again because of the way someone looks is shallow at the least.

  • Posted By: stacey45205 @ 08/08/2008 11:24:47 AM

    If these girls were from the "hood" we'd have kicked them out a long time ago! What excuses can you give these girls! They have to respect the law and thier peers just like the rest of the world!

  • Posted By: Justrealityplz @ 08/08/2008 8:58:39 AM

    I have to agree with Tina; There is always two sides to a story . An if most here are makeing thier minds up off of the movie they must really not live in reality. The movie enhanced and streched the truth about the girls and thier excapades. Though they were still very rude and ignorant kids, it was nothing like the movie and if we all take a moment and read the credits it states very clearly "based Loosely on a true story" In other words the truth wasnt interesting enough so we put more sex, more drugs and alcohol in it to make sure we got more viewers.
    Read the real story and it is not quite as interesting as the movie. Still does anyone remember high school? Sex, Drugs and Rock N Roll??? I am not saying we all acted this bad or that these girls were angels, but they were enabled by the adults around them and this blog has gotten way out of hand, I do not think the movie had this much social discomfort..And yes this is my last post I am bored lol, Long live the Cheerleading Sport.. I blees you young girls in tight short skirts shaking it for the team, My wife thanks you for the increadible nights of passion after the home games, My sons thank you for giving them thier bathroom fantasies, and sad to say the women will always hate you because you have the perfect tight hard bodies they long for.. live long and prosper for tommorrow you will be one of those envying women.

  • Posted By: xbeachbum20 @ 08/08/2008 12:57:02 AM

    hahaha im willing to bet that tina girl is like related to one of those brats. i dont know why any other cheerleader didnt fight back. i know if it was me i would have slapped them if they talked to me like that. Their parents did a poor job at raising them. And I am gonna believe everything I hear because i do believe these girls were as evil as they were perceived. Go ahead, have a field day saying mean things to me all those people out there who think they did nothing wrong.

  • Posted By: xbeachbum20 @ 08/08/2008 12:55:27 AM

    hahaha im willing to bet that tina girl is like related to one of those brats. i dont know why any other cheerleader didnt fight back. i know if it was me i would have slapped them if they talked to me like that. Their parents did a poor job at raising them. And I am gonna believe everything I hear because i do believe these girls were as evil as they were perceived. Go ahead, have a field day saying mean things to me all those people out there who think they did nothing wrong.

  • Posted By: christyk00 @ 08/06/2008 12:07:43 AM

    I have a comment for *MFENWICK*....I am also a teacher, and I spent two years as a cheerleading coach (former cheerleader myself...10 years...jh, hs, college)...Just to give you a little background on my experiences as a cheerleader and coaching cheerleading. And I do believe that what you have said, for the most part, is true. And like I said...I've been there done that. I remember what I was like as a cheerleader, and although I didn't realize at the time that I was being "provacitive", I definitely understood the amount of attention I received with that title. I truly did love the sport of cheerleading, for many reasons, not just the attention, but it is hard to not face reality that once in uniforms, cheerleaders' attitudes change. I coached and I had two girls that I coached in cheerleading plus in track later in the year....I HATED their attitudes in cheerleading practices, but once we were running track...they were very able to take criticism and guidance well. The personna "cheerleader" even made the girls different toward me...and I wasn't any different of a coach to the cheerleaders as I was to my track team.
    As for the lusting, I do think that it is natural to think....no one can punish someone for something in their mind as long as their actions do not resemble or allow those thoughts to be known. I think every adult is guilty at looking at someone younger and find a physical attraction....men are definitely more apt to do this because women are more appealing and sexual by nature. And the girls who are in highschool do not look their age...the girls are looking more and more grown up each year. I know that I will be criticized for this comment but I just wanted it to be known that a lot (not all) of what you said is correct with my views on cheerleading....even being one myself for sooo many years. I even hope my daughter takes after her father and becomes a all star soccer player!! (not cheerleader) but of course we will have to wait and see...I would never forbid but I will definitely be a firm and strict parent with behaviors. I used to say about my cheerleader team....in uniform they were a handful, but out of uniform sweet girls.

    • Posted By: mfenwick @ 08/07/2008 12:05:46 AM

      Finally, an honest person! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Good luck to your daughter in soccer. It's safer than cheerleading and a whole lot less expensive.

  • Posted By: Tina bby xo x3 @ 08/06/2008 11:19:53 PM

    Whatever. You guys dont even know the whole story. The movie left a whole bunch of stuff out. It made the girls look like trash and the cheerleading coach look like a hero. Which isnt even the case. Theres two sides to every story. So dont beleive everything you hear.

  • Posted By: dayton814 @ 08/06/2008 11:08:46 PM

    They were at the age where they can be held responsable for their actions. At that age they should know better and knowing how they acted was so inappropriate. They were at the age where they can and should have changed...there up bringing at that age is no excuse for their actions. That's just what it is...an excuse. Hey..if you can't to the time, don't do the crime.

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