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  • Posted By: serg41 @ 10/09/2009 10:39:17 AM

    No matter what! sin is sin and you or no court can change that. You can pretend and name it something else. Yet before the eyes of all mighty God (Jesus) homosexuality is a sin an abomination. The laws might be changing no argument there and some day the whole might embrace this whole homosexual style of life.
    God does not change he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
    You might even life to be 100 years and live with your homosexual partner???
    But I tell you that after that you will give an account to God of everything
    You and ( I ) have done whether good or bad.
    I will not judge us beyond what the bible say???that way you and I don???t have an excuse before him who sees everything. You might yell and kick and scream saying we are crazy the bible is not relevant and you are an atheist and gather people around you who think the same.

    YOU AND I WILL STAND BEFORE HIM WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

    BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUSCHRIST AND TURN AWAY FROM YOUR WICKED WAYS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED FROM ETERNAL HELL.

    THANK YOU JESUS FOR YOU LOVING GRACE.

    • Posted By: Hardyman1966 @ 11/30/2009 5:20:57 PM

      The Earth was flat.
      The Sun revolved around it.
      Walk on a crack, break your mothers' back.

  • Posted By: looshis @ 12/06/2008 1:56:50 AM

    No mention of Canada either. You would think Americans would mention Canada more when it comes to gay rights, the country has almost the same culture and could make one heck of an argument when it comes to showing how there were no "slippery slopes" and how marriage as an institution has not crumbled.

    • Posted By: Asatira @ 10/28/2009 9:45:00 AM

      There is no point to mention Canada, they have no legitiment concerns, it is all based on their religion, which should in NO WAY impact the whole country forcefully.
      I once believed in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and Jesus too ...but there's a time when you need to accept that your just making excuses for what you can't understand. There were how many religions before christianity, why are you so naive to think that yours is right. Your "God" wasn't even recorded in the time period he supposedly existed. If you want to be blind because it's comforting, more power to you, but there are people that would like to progress in our existance. I really hope this passes, because it will start to open people's eyes to how things should be, and then perhaps we can start to make some progress in Science without your lies impacting our capabilities.
      For the record, I am NOT gay.

  • Posted By: serg41 @ 10/09/2009 10:38:43 AM

    No matter what! sin is sin and you or no court can change that. You can pretend and name it something else. Yet before the eyes of all mighty God (Jesus) homosexuality is a sin an abomination. The laws might be changing no argument there and some day the whole might embrace this whole homosexual style of life.
    God does not change he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
    You might even life to be 100 years and live with your homosexual partner???
    But I tell you that after that you will give an account to God of everything
    You and ( I ) have done whether good or bad.
    I will not judge us beyond what the bible say???that way you and I don???t have an excuse before him who sees everything. You might yell and kick and scream saying we are crazy the bible is not relevant and you are an atheist and gather people around you who think the same.

    YOU AND I WILL STAND BEFORE HIM WHETER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.

    BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUSCHRIST AND TURN AWAY FROM YOUR WICKED WAYS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED FROM ETERNAL HELL.

    THANK YOU JESUS FOR YOU LOVING GRACE.

  • Posted By: zen river @ 06/04/2009 11:44:09 PM

    it isn't marriage, per se, that's causing problems; its the selfish desire for security, continuity and conformity. Religion is tradition, the past held onto, and those who egocentrically claim to have truth are just confused.

  • Posted By: MossyOak74 @ 12/09/2008 9:47:31 PM

    Obviously these people don't read the Bible. Lev 18:22 " Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is destestable."

    • Posted By: Kfire @ 06/04/2009 12:41:30 PM

      It's not that they don't read your bible. They might just reject it. In religion, no one is right. It's all faith and belief. Zero proof.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/28/2009 11:16:52 AM

      What a bigot. Take your Bible and burn it.

  • Posted By: meowmeow25 @ 12/10/2008 1:31:16 PM

    i don't understand why people are quoting the Bible period. Government and Religion are supposed to be separated. Marriage is simply two people that join, hopefull for love, to share income, tax, get benefits from their partner, receive their partners property if they die. Nothing more, if the government says who can get married then they can not exclude ANYONE. That is the job of religion to exclude, but since the Pope isn't running the country why are we still following religious beliefs in congress. This is why you don't won't government and religion together: if you are not christian you will be persecuted or at least prosecuted, you would have to follow strict attendence guidelines, you can't divorce unless your husband cheats on you and you may not be allowed to remarry, you would have to follow every word the religious leader says, and in the case that the leader was nuts, like Jim Jones, you would all have a sealed fate.

    • Posted By: Kfire @ 06/04/2009 12:31:12 PM

      Y'know, I think we should do away with the word "Marriage" cause that's what causing a lot of this mess. EVERYONE has a civil union. Everyone - gay or not. And if you want to do a "wedding", go to your respective churches, temples, etc. Problem solved. You don't see the more peaceful countries worrying about this crap. How about we worry about something more worthwhile.

  • Posted By: meowmeow25 @ 12/10/2008 1:36:35 PM

    Why would anyone care if gay people married, they are not having sex with you, you are not watching it, why do you care!!!! It does not affect your life, your well being if ANY way. Maybe they should only let good looking people get married, i don't want to see ugly people kissing it makes me sick. Seriously WHY DO YOU CARE??!! There is absolutely no reason why anyone who isn't gay would vote. What if the gov't didn't allow White and Blacks to marry each other?

    • Posted By: mamashood @ 12/10/2008 2:06:35 PM

      Lets not be uneducated here. These exceptences has nothing to do with white,black,mexican,asian etc.. It has to do with UN-NATURAL acts and morals of this country. I sure don't want my kids to see it and think its OK ! The more things are seen the more they are excepted and thats all they want. They can be "married" with their own kind as their witnesses and get the same effect (wanting to be united) but to think they are married "in the eyes of God" NEVER ! And if they just want the right- what does that tell you ? It tells me they arent wanting the same as we get, they want to BE NOTICED and its HURTING the American image. WAKE UP AMERICA ! STOP SETTLING FOR LESS !!!

      • Posted By: Kfire @ 06/04/2009 12:26:11 PM

        Right. Cause tolerance hurts the American Image.

      • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/13/2008 9:38:34 AM

        mamashood,

        "Lets not be uneducated here."
        You are the one who is uneducated (actually complete ignorant) .

        "It has to do with UN-NATURAL acts and morals of this country."
        Actually it si a completely natural act and in no way affects the "morals" of this country.

        "I sure don't want my kids to see it and think its OK ! "
        Well I dont want people to see evangelizing and think it is OK.

        "It tells me they arent wanting the same as we get, they want to BE NOTICED and its HURTING the American image. "
        It is people like you who are hurting the image of the US.

        "WAKE UP AMERICA ! STOP SETTLING FOR LESS !!!""

        Agreed, let's throw Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and his mindless hoards out.



      • Posted By: s501599 @ 12/10/2008 4:40:42 PM

        First of all, why isn't it okay? You haven't given one good reason to make me think it's not. And whether you think it will be recognized in God's eyes is irrelevant. As meowmeow25 pointed out, religion and government are seperate. The actual legal document is not religious in any way.

  • Posted By: Kfire @ 06/04/2009 12:16:00 PM

    Here's my thing. Say, for example, I don't believe in your God. Therefore, it looks like you're trying to impose your will on other people based on an idea that doesn't apply to me. You're not hte only ones with a God. Nor are you the only ones who can fall in love. The need to force your will on others is ridiculous especially when it just makes the opposing side hate you even more and doesn't change their view at all. I mean, really. Does holding a sign that says "GOD HATES GAYS" really do anything to change my opinion? No. It doesn't. It just shows me that followers of that God are totally intolerant and disrespectfull.

    And those who quote the bible... what about hte passage that says that a rape victim must marry her attacker? Or the approval of incest and rape? The bible is a book written and interpreted by man. God, if you believe in one, is something you hold inside.

  • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/28/2009 11:21:33 AM

    I ought to burn a Bible in protest of Christian intolerance of gay rights.

  • Posted By: mamashood @ 12/10/2008 1:50:04 PM

    Well I say put them on an island together and let them die off.They will either pro-create or die of AIDS anyway. Then they may learn their lesson. AIDS (Annally Inflicted Dicease) says it all and LESBIANS (Less EnapSince Becoming A Nother Sicko)says it all !

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 05/28/2009 11:17:46 AM

      *** you. Die in a fire.

  • Posted By: Over50-5th-Gen-American @ 12/16/2008 6:19:23 PM

    Ghostmasseur, you better hope you're right. And don't tell me you "know* you're right. You can't prove God doesn't exist any more than you can prove he does. Your arrogance is astounding. You must be both stupid and young (and of course gay. No need to beleive in God so long as it serves your self intersts, huh?)

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/17/2008 7:33:09 AM

      Over50,

      "Ghostmasseur, you better hope you're right. And don't tell me you "know* you're right. You can't prove God doesn't exist any more than you can prove he does. Your arrogance is astounding. You must be both stupid and young (and of course gay. No need to beleive in God so long as it serves your self intersts, huh?)"

      You are the one who is arrogant. I am not stupid (having several advanced degrees and having taught at university) or young ( I am almost 50) or gay (an avowed hterosexual ina very good relationship with a woman.
      I base my assertion of the non-universal existance of god on science and the astounding lack of irrefutable proof that such an entity exists outside of the human imagination. Interestingly enough that means that he DOES exist in a form (as the electrtical impulses that occur when one's imagination are in operation are a form of existance) just not in the way that belivers think he belives. You see I have no problem with people believing in a deity (since the Abrahamic one is NOT the only one out there), just when they try to force that belief on others or uuse it as an excuse for discrimination in the law. And just as another point, according to scientific methodology (which I have confirmed in discussions with over 100 scientists, several of them internationally reknowned and over 85% of them believers in god) the burden of proof lies int he affirmative sttaement and when it comes to the existance of god, existance is the affirmative statement, thereby the burden of proof lies with thoe who claim hthat he exists, nto with those who say he does not. As for why those scientists who bleive that god exists do so without irrefutable proof, almost all of them used the exact same word, "FAITH". They have faith he exists even though there is no proof he exists. That is fine for them. It is not for me.

  • Posted By: stsmith1511 @ 12/13/2008 7:48:02 PM

    "What's wrong with homosexuality?"A whole lot of things, but mostly this: It's an abomination to God. He said this not once, not twice, but several times...and it wasn't all in one breath, but was spread out over 1,500 years. In the beginning, God created man and then He created a woman to be man's helpmate. I imagine that if God had thought homosexuality was okay, then he would have created another man...or just two women. But He didn't, so that's the beginning. When God gave the Law to Moses, He was very clear about the fact that if two (of the same sex) lie together, or "know" each other as man knows a woman, then those two were to be put to death, because "it is an abomination to God." God also destroyed the cities of the plains (Sodom and Gomorrah and a couple of others) because of their proclivity to homosexual behavior. The men of Sodom even tried to seduce the angels that were sent! (Sounds like San Francisco.)

    About 1,500 years later, God spoke through the Apostle Paul to re-affirm that those who practice homosexuality "shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Many argue that times have changed and we need to become modernized in our thinking. But the fact is that God is the rock. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Therefore, we can easily conclude that He has not changed His mind. Homosexuality is still an abomination to Him.

    Now this does NOT mean that God doesn't love homosexuals. He does, and He wants them to REPENT (turn away) from that which is NOT pleasing in His sight. Can homosexuals be saved? Yes, emphatically yes....IF they will repent (turn away) from that which is wrong. It isn't the sinner that is hated; it is what he or she does (the sin). Is there such a thing as a Christian homosexual? No. You can either be a Christian, or you can be a homosexual.

    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them" (Lev. 20:13).

    "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet" (Rom. 1:26-27)

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/14/2008 10:09:07 AM

      YAWWN.

      No god, therefore no abomination.

      The rest of your post is man-made drivel.

      • Posted By: farkazi716 @ 12/14/2008 7:10:32 PM

        Dear ghostmaassuer,
        It is my sincere hope that one day you have the privilege to meet an extraordinary gay man or lesbain women because they will blow your mind. How is it that these men and women can repent from what they are? They were born this way and did not make the decision to love the human being they love. To repent for them would be like you repenting from loving your wife and/ or children, it's not possible. I think that you should think before you write and spew your intolerance. God also said that, Gal 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." So, I believe that God would take every one of his gay and lesbian brothers and sisters and love them just as if they were heterosexual. Again, I repeat that I hope that one day you meet an extraordinary gay person, so that you can know that they deserve the same rights as you.

        God Bless.


        P.S. Don't hate tolerate.

        • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/14/2008 8:31:51 PM

          farkazi,

          I think that you are mistaking me for stsmith1511 and other fundamentalist wingnuts.

          "It is my sincere hope that one day you have the privilege to meet an extraordinary gay man or lesbain women because they will blow your mind."

          Over the last 40 plus years I have met several hundred 100 and am (or have been) friends with at least 100 extraordinary gay men and lesbian women (I say have been because some fo them are no longer alive, and AIDS was NOT the cause of teh majority of the deaths). They are wonderful people and some of them are execptional parents. I have attended dopzens of same-sex marraiges (they may have been referred to as committment ceremonies but they were marraige ceremonies) and have read both religious and secular poems at 15. I have been

          "How is it that these men and women can repent from what they are?"
          They have no need to repent for anything. They are doing nothing wrong.

          Now that I have made my point, you will understand that the rest of your post is misdirected. It is not for me but for those like stsmtih.

  • Posted By: larryp4868 @ 12/13/2008 5:29:30 AM

    Somewhere in this discussion, I wish someone would please answer a couple of questions. First, how can a man and a man or a woman and a woman have marital sex as God sets forth in the BIble? ANSWSER: They can't. God didn't make them that way. Whatever it is they do it is disgusting and not the beauty and holiness of marital union as God designed. Second, how can a man and a man or a woman and a woman "be fruitful and multiply" as God ordained? ANSWER: They dan't. God didn't make them so they could. In America, they have the right to do whatever it is they do in the privacy of their bedrooms. But, please don't try to justify what cannot ever be justified by a proper exegesis of the scripture. Just think how mixed up our world would be, even more mixed up, if we all wanted to justify our sinful thoughts and desires by saying "God made me this way." No God didn't make us that way. It is our sinful nature. Because of our sin natures and evil desires we need a Saviour who will forgive us our sin and enable us to be set free from them to follow His will. The Christian Salvation means we are saved from the penalty of our sins, we are being saved from the power of sin over our lives and one day we will be saved from the very presence of sin in Heaven. Sin is still sin and the only remedy is in Jesus Christ!

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/13/2008 9:31:34 AM

      Your scripture is irrelvant, man-made stuff. So is your god.

      There is no god, no salvation through some failed rabbi, and no heaven or hell.

      • Posted By: stsmith1511 @ 12/13/2008 8:03:51 PM

        Dear ghostmasseur, the only unforgivable sin is the sin of unbelief. As long as someone walks in unbelief, he cannot be forgiven. Once he rejects that unbelief and receives the fullness of Christ, he is no longer committing the sin of unbelief. There is a point at which a blatant rejection of the Spirit of truth may seal a person???s fate forever, but only God is the judge of when a heart is completely hardened.

        Look at Matthew 12:31-32. Jesus was busy performing miracles, including driving demons out of possessed people by calling on the power of the Holy Spirit. The religious leaders of the day were accusing Him of using the power of the devil to drive out the demons. They refused to recognize the true source of Jesus' power. Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

        These men had rejected the power of Christ that was right before their eyes. They accused Jesus of being of the devil. If you are interested enough to look into this issue, then I can guarantee that you have not rejected Christ in that way, and you can be saved. Even if you have willfully rejected the Lord, He has pursued you and that is why you are reading this. Don't wait another moment before you acknowledge the Lordship of Christ.

        "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name" (John 1:12).

        These are uncertain times people, we must place our trust in God. For those who would ridicule these poor misguided people I would implore you to simply pray for them. Hate the sin but love the sinner.

        • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/14/2008 10:08:00 AM

          stsmith1511,
          YAWWN.

          Since there is no sin your commnet is mull and void. I do not need to be forgiven.

          Since there is not god and Jesus was just a (now long dead) HUMAN being, he can do nothing to anyone and only those who CHOOSE to follow him need him. The rest of us do very well without him.

          I am reading this because fools like you (those who spend their time spouting man-made religious texts and man-made gods) need to be answered and put in their place.

  • Posted By: heygrrl @ 12/13/2008 3:15:49 AM

    re: osted By: mamashood @ 12/10/2008 1:55:29 PM
    "Well I say put them on an island together and let them die off.They will either pro-create or die of AIDS anyway."

    Do you have a brain? Gay children come from straight parents. You can put Gay people on an island, but we'd still be born every day. Better look at your own progeny, fool. Good chance one of them is queer too! The Nazi's tried to kill us off, but here we are marching down your main streets. How about that. The Muslims try to hang us and stone us and look, we can still work up a parade. We're here, we're queer so get used to us.

    • Posted By: stsmith1511 @ 12/13/2008 7:54:46 PM

      The Roman jailer who held Paul and Silas were thrown in jail at Philippi, the chief city of that part of Macedonia, for freeing a woman from a familiar spirit. The act caused the men who were using her as a fortuneteller to lose their income, so they accused the two men of doing unlawful things. In jail, Paul and Silas prayed, sang to the Lord, and witnessed to those around them. A great earthquake shook the jail apart, and the prisoners were freed.

      Paul called for no one to leave, and the jailer, who would have been executed if he had lost any prisoners, was completely stunned at such an act.

      Paul writes of the occurrence:
      ???Then [the jailer] called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought [Paul and Silas] out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house??? (Acts 16:29-32).

      The jailer was saved simply by believing in Jesus. What, then, is this sort of belief that saves the soul?

      Paul the apostle tells us:
      ??????if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved??? (Rom. 10: 9).

      Simply believe God???s Word that Jesus is the Savior of your soul, and trust in Him alone to keep you saved for eternity.

      When you do this, the Bible tells us through the Apostle Paul:
      ???For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord??? (Rom. 8:38-39).

  • Posted By: MossyOak74 @ 12/09/2008 9:54:10 PM

    Obviously these people don't read the Bible. Lev 18:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/13/2008 9:39:27 AM

      The bible is irrelevant.

  • Posted By: simplytruthful @ 12/10/2008 2:01:37 PM

    Some of the comments below are quite rediculous to read and not worth commenting on but I'm willing to share truth with those who are obviously living in darkness. Those who except these lifestyles of this perversed generation obviously does not know God or the truth. God is not to be mocked, the gay and homosexual lifestyles are an abomination to him and a sin. God did not make man to lay down with a man nor woman with a woman. It's apparent that satan has a strong hold on those who believe in this lie and all of those who support it.

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 12/13/2008 9:33:47 AM

      Actaully you dont know the truth.

      There is no god outside of the human imagination (since humans created god and the texts that support him). And yor S&M fantsy called satan is just one more man-made creation. Nothing to worry about.

  • Posted By: meinnc @ 12/10/2008 3:35:28 PM

    I would be more concerned over divorce as the bible does.

    LUK 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits
    adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

    1CO 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife
    must not separate from her husband.

    11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her
    husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

    12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who
    is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce
    her.

    13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to
    live with her, she must not divorce him.

  • Posted By: tyork @ 12/10/2008 2:02:21 PM

    Meowmeow25 is pretty gay.

  • Posted By: tyork @ 12/10/2008 1:59:30 PM

    Meowmeow25 is pretty gay.

  • Posted By: mamashood @ 12/10/2008 1:55:29 PM

    Well I say put them on an island together and let them die off.They will either pro-create or die of AIDS anyway. Then they may learn their lesson. AIDS (Annally Inflicted Dicease) says it all and LESBIANS (Less EnapSince Becoming A Nother Sicko)says it all !

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