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  • Posted By: chevalnoir @ 08/29/2008 1:29:15 AM

    I'd like to point out that the 30,000 horses currently held by the BLM are not old, sick, and lame. Finger pointers out there calling others "PETA types" flat out don't know what they are talking about. As someone who just came from spending time amongst a large herd of wild horses, I can tell you that when the food supply gets short, the ranchers move the cattle, while the horses are "confined" to their area. Fair? No way!

  • Posted By: chevalnoir @ 08/29/2008 1:26:51 AM

    I'd like to point out that the 30,000 horses currently held by the BLM are not old, sick, and lame. Finger pointers out there calling others "PETA types" flat out don't know what they are talking about. As someone who just came from spending time amongst a large herd of wild horses, I can tell you that when the food supply gets short, the ranchers move the cattle, while the horses are "confined" to their area. Fair? No way!

  • Posted By: barrd @ 08/22/2008 3:46:36 PM

    I don't want to see the horses go hungry in the wild, and I don't want them to be killed for lunchen meat. We are in the process of adopting two horses which is all we can afford to keep, but if these wild horses are lost, I feel we will be lost as a national that much more.

  • Posted By: barrd @ 08/22/2008 3:43:34 PM

    I don't want to see the horses go hungry in the wild, and I don't want to see them die for lunchen meat, we are in the process of adopting two horse which is all we can afford to save, but if these wild horses are lost, I think we get lost also.

  • Posted By: NaomiLBarrett @ 08/14/2008 3:37:52 PM

    I agree with Old Dust... you PETA-type people would rather see the animals starve out in the wild to feed only the coyotes instead of HUMANELY culling the herds (of the old and sick and lame) to feed dogs or zoo animals. Again, you PETA-type people need to step up to the plate and adopt and take the horses to your place, heck adopt whole herds!... have at it.....go for it.. put your money where your mouth is..... You think nature is "fair"?... is subzero weather with no range to eat, fair?...if you can change that... more power to ya...

  • Posted By: MoonDust @ 07/02/2008 4:54:57 PM

    Here's a lovely reminder of exactly how horses are slaughtered... very humane, eh?

    http://equineprotectionnetwork.com/slaughter/faq.htm

    • Posted By: jackalope36 @ 07/02/2008 5:06:31 PM

      That is a bogus website. The slaughtering methods described in it are wrong. They are hit once in the head by a bolt that kills the brain. Only ONCE! Then they are hoisted up and their throats slit and the heart pumps the blood out of the body. The whole process takes about 2 minutes and the horse never feels anything. Horses haven't been slaughtered for meat in the U.S. for nearly 15 years. It is illegal to slaughter and sell/export horse meat in the U.S. Foreign companies still buy horses and export them for slaughter in European countries. But hey, once you buy it, it's yours to do as you please.

      • Posted By: MoonDust @ 07/02/2008 5:15:35 PM

        You must not have read it carefully... it said the bolt SHOULD kill the horse but that it doesn't always... the same with cattle... it's been found that some of these animals are still alive when their throats are slit... but hey, they're dumb animals that can't talk or scream so why should their terror or agony be of any concern to anyone, right?

        • Posted By: jackalope36 @ 07/02/2008 5:26:42 PM

          I've been to cattle slaughter houses, seen what happens inside, had family members who worked for them. The cattle are treated far better than any person in this country. They eat they sleep, eat sleep, all so you can go to McDonald's and get a hot, fresh, Double Quarter Pounder with cheese. One time out of a thousand the bolt doesn't kill the brain. 100% of the time the animals are still alive, but they are brain dead. They don't feel anything when the blade comes.

          • Posted By: vet tech @ 08/02/2008 1:15:36 PM

            Hi Jack i guess you dont watch much news... about a slaughter house out west being investigated for its "Humaine" treatment of animals.. yes i am sure that cow reallly loved being helped up my that fork lift and she enjoyed that nice jolt from the cattle prod.. ohh and by the way you made a comment about sluaghter houses baing closed for over 15 years.. once again you need to read or watch the news... the last 3 slaughter houses in the US were closed in 2007 . hmmm that was a quick 15 years wasnt it. and actually its not only foreign companies that buy the horses, amerian companies sell the horses knowing full well were they are going.. something like 46,000 horses were shipped to mexico to be slaughterd and even more were sent to Canada.
            And i do understand people eating horse meat.. dont get me wrong i havent tried it, but just think about it we eat pig and cow. Some country think that is wrong India worships the cow, other countries think pig meat if foul. other countries eat rover and fluffy.. ever wonder why the Chow dog is named Chow? well now you know. He was breed to be dinner.
            I dont agree with the killing or selling of the wild horse to be dinner or just to get it out of the way, there must be a way to work it all out we just have to find it.

  • Posted By: BOAPW @ 07/02/2008 12:30:12 PM

    I grew up on the range and can tell you that these horses are not native and should be eliminated from this habitat. These animals are escapees from the Spanish explorations and they are ruining the range for the true natve species. Sometime difficult and harsh decisions have to made to revers the effects inflicted by humans. All over the world there are non-native animals and plants across a variety of sensitive habitiats that are going to have to be undone. Harsh but necessary.

    • Posted By: vet tech @ 08/02/2008 1:01:20 PM

      And which animals would you leave in this space? Cattle? sheep? pigs? I hate to tell you, but ALLLL of these animals along with dogs and domesticated house cats where all brought over from Europe. the only native animal in this group is..well the horse. yes folks read your history.. horses were here with the dinos.. or at least an ancester was. It Died off (or was killed off my prehistoic man, like the mammath) and then was REINTRODUCED. Cattle didnt come into this county intill 1611 (they arrived with the Jamestown colony) a couple of hundred years after the horses.
      Also i always see "ohhh so many horses they are ruining the vegitation.. parden but there are what 28,000 wild horses? there are MILLIONS of cows if anyone is doing the damage i do believe its the cows. Personally speaking.. the only species on this plantet that does knowing harm and who can not find a balance with its neighbors is man.. only man causes wars for greed and power, i havent heard to many stories of the sheep that caused WW3 or the horse that killed its neighbor because he dented his car.
      if any species needs to be culled its the human. So many stupid people breeding more stupid people who then have chilren.. who then turn out to be politicians. :)
      thanks for listening

    • Posted By: charityaes @ 07/02/2008 12:59:52 PM

      BOAPW: Your so-called reason for why these animals should be killed is ludicrous. Anyone living in the United States other than the Native American is not native. I would bet that you are not native either. Maybe you should be removed for the true native species. That would reverse the effects inflicted by you!

      • Posted By: simply tracy @ 07/30/2008 3:26:47 PM

        for that matter, Native Americans are not "native"-check your history. Either they came across the Bering Land Bridge, or by boat. POEPLE are not native to this continent. HORSES left it. So get over yourselves; neither are more important than the other. You want to do some good? Adopt a mustang.

    • Posted By: thull92 @ 07/02/2008 12:44:54 PM

      I will agree that yes, most mustang horses did come to this country as transplants from Mexican/spainish....however, these spanish horses started arriving in the late 1400's - early 1500's. (I believe that Columbus brought some with him) By saying that they are not native.....Unless you are an actual decendent of American Indians, than I would have to say that they have probably been in this country longer than you or at least your ancestors.

  • Posted By: Old Dust @ 07/15/2008 9:36:46 PM

    After reading the comments I would ask how do you prefer these horses live when old and near their end here on this earth. Would you like them to starve to death in the cold of the winter becasue there is no graze? The range has it limits and I have no idea where you live but if you feel so driven, attend a adoption meeting and adopt one or two and take them home in your care.

  • Posted By: Old Dust @ 07/15/2008 9:31:55 PM

    What is more desirable to you. Is starving to death or freezing to death because of no range feed? If they don't go down on their own, the wolves will take them. The range has limits

  • Posted By: cinnamon909 @ 07/15/2008 5:32:03 PM

    Why is it that people so often turn to killing as the "answer" to a percieved problem? It's so hard for me to understand how anyone could condone the killing of these animals. Under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to interfere with the natural cycle of life. There is a natural balance that can be maintained if people just stay out of it! People.. we need to speak up and cryout against this! If you think this doesn't really affect you... just wait until something that does matter to you is threatened.

  • Posted By: cmd589 @ 07/11/2008 5:00:04 PM

    I am deeply saddened to think that slaughtering these beautiful mustangs is even considered as a possibility to controlling the horse population. I think it is pathetic how humans feel the need to interfere with nature in such a devastating manner. The horse should be left alone to roam freely as they are meant to, just as hundreds of other species do. There is nothing ethical about it - no matter how "humanely" the killing is done.

  • Posted By: semarlo2 @ 07/02/2008 3:10:59 PM

    If the government is concerned about over population, why not GELD the older stallions and spay the older mares? That makes more sense than killing them. The cost? Ask all those Vet students in public university's to do it as part of their training. So, the cost would be less than hiring wranglers to KILL THEM.

    • Posted By: wild angel1435 @ 07/10/2008 11:49:23 AM

      now there's an idea...

  • Posted By: tmuth @ 07/08/2008 11:18:50 AM

    As one of the competitors/Trainers for the 2008 Extreme Mustang Makeover coming up in September in Fort Worth TX, I can tell you first hand The wild Mustang is the smartest Horse I have ever trained. This country was built on the back of these horses. They cleared our land, hauled us from one end of this country to the other, they took us to our jobs every day and our children to school. Now the livestock lobbyist and ranchers regard the mustangs as pests!!!!! I would like to see the ranchers go back in time and have them round up their cattle and do their ranch work with out the Horse. How fast they forget! Back then the horse were not a pest they were the only way to get their ranch work done and get their cattle to market so they could make the all-mighty buck. The Horse industry in this country is a multi Billion dollar business and I???m sure it employs more people than any beef operation. So my question is why are they making choices for the wild Mustang and not the Horse people? My answer to that question is that the beef operation/ livestock lobbyist has someone greasing someone???s palm. Again this country???s Heritage is sold to the highest bidder by a greedy government official. Freedom is what this country is all about and the Wild Mustang represents that. Are we going to let them take our freedom icon away from us? If we do then the only freedom that we will have is the freedom to do what they tell us to do. I???m going to do everything that I can to stop it, Are you?????

  • Posted By: ebs66 @ 07/02/2008 5:02:32 PM

    As an owner of two mustangs I can honestly say they make great horses. Culling the herd for breed quality, gelding stallions and removing older herd studs would be a great start. But as there are already too many in both holding pens and roaming free another alternative needs to be considered. How to accoplish that I don't know. I do know you can only adopt a few mustangs per year, maybe exceptions need to be made for qualified adopters.

  • Posted By: jackalope36 @ 07/02/2008 4:37:30 PM

    I live in Wyoming where the largest population of wild horses in the U.S. resides. I've seen first hand what uncontrolled populations of horses can do to the cattle industry. Right now Wyoming is in it's tenth year of the worst draught since the Dust Bowl. That means less vegetation for the cattle industry, which is the largest industry in Wyoming. I don't believe in killing all the horses, but their numbers have to be kept under control somehow. And euthenizing them is the cheapest way. The other alternatives such as gelding and spaying are good ideas, but where is that money going to come from? What vet students are going to come to Wyoming to help out? There are only 28 universities in the U.S. that even have vet programs, the closest one to Wyoming is in Ft. Collins, CO. The next closest is near Spokane, WA. Another way to help out: replanting vegetation and fertilizing? Again, another very expensive procedure. Wyoming already doesn't have the water to regrow the vegetation that is lost, how would that even help? I don't want to see the wild horse population gone, but until there's any better way that is cost effective that my taxes don't have to pay for, the best means is euthanasia and adoption. So, rather than waste your time complaining about the poor little animals, do something and adopt one of the damn things.

    • Posted By: MoonDust @ 07/02/2008 4:47:02 PM

      Why don't you be the first one to step up to the plate?

      • Posted By: jackalope36 @ 07/02/2008 4:54:52 PM

        I'll be one of the first ones to start putting bullets in their heads. A bullet only costs $0.07.

  • Posted By: jrhedges6@hotmail.com @ 07/02/2008 4:17:21 PM

    Wake up Bleeding Hearts ! The horse is an introduced species with no effective natural predators. If " Left to nature" to take care of the result will be a trampled denuded habitat and thousands of horses starving to death in the dead of winter. The range is full, the holding corrals are full, the " Wild Horse Sanctuaries" are full.
    The Feds are responsible for the habitat and horses and a balance must be reached.

    • Posted By: MoonDust @ 07/02/2008 4:42:51 PM

      I believe several ways to "reach a balance" have already been suggested... and they don't include killing or sending horses off to slaughter houses where they can be hoisted up by one leg, have their throat cut, and then be left to bleed out before being turned into dinner.

  • Posted By: jackalope36 @ 07/02/2008 4:36:27 PM

    I live in Wyoming where the largest population of wild horses in the U.S. resides. I've seen first hand what uncontrolled populations of horses can do to the cattle industry. Right now Wyoming is in it's tenth year of the worst draught since the Dust Bowl. That means less vegetation for the cattle industry, which is the largest industry in Wyoming. I don't believe in killing all the horses, but their numbers have to be kept under control somehow. And euthenizing them is the cheapest way. The other alternatives such as gelding and spaying are good ideas, but where is that money going to come from? What vet students are going to come to Wyoming to help out? There are only 28 universities in the U.S. that even have vet programs, the closest one to Wyoming is in Ft. Collins, CO. The next closest is near Spokane, WA. Another way to help out: replanting vegetation and fertilizing? Again, another very expensive procedure. Wyoming already doesn't have the water to regrow the vegetation that is lost, how would that even help? I don't want to see the wild horse population gone, but until there's any better way that is cost effective that my taxes don't have to pay for, the best means is euthanasia and adoption. So, rather than waste your time complaining about the poor little animals, do something and adopt one of the damn things.

  • Posted By: karkar560 @ 07/02/2008 4:29:04 PM

    I've made a committment to rescue one horse every year. Get it healthy and find a good home for it. It's all I can afford to do - if I could save them all, I would - but I can't. These horses I rescue are not coming from the BLM, but the local sale barn. It makes me sick to see them there - some are emaciated, dehydrated, are sick and have infection and some are just being left there for somebody else to worry about. The number of horses in the wild is peanuts in comparison to those in captivity. There are approximately 11 million horses in the US and 46% of horse owners have an income of $25,000 to $75,000 annually. In today's economy that is barely enough to feed their own family much less a horse(s). A friend of mine owns a boarding stable - every year she has at least 2 or 3 horses that are left there for the owners never to return because they can't pay their board. What happens with the BLM horses is disappointing to say the least, but until people learn to take on the personal responsibility that comes with owning a horse - ESPECIALLY the responsibility in breeding them - there will never be enough homes to adopt BLM horses because there will always be millions more horses out there that were too mean, too fast, too slow, too fat, etc. that the BLM horses have to compete with in finding suitable homes. Until the issues surrounding unwanted/neglected horses in our own communities are addressed - the BLM issues will always be there. We may not have control of the BLM - but we can take control in our own communities and address the issues locally.

  • Posted By: partroygirl @ 07/02/2008 4:21:48 PM

    Have we lost our collective minds?? We can't allow wild Mustangs to be killed. It's insane! I agree, gelding and thinning the herd to be sold to horse 'owners' - not slaughter houses - is the only way to go here.

  • Posted By: dianewitek @ 07/02/2008 4:17:11 PM

    What has this country become? Why have we allowed our symbols of freedom and individuality to be reduced and dwindle to the point of extinction? Live and let live, let the wild horses roamed this great country as they have for centuries before we ever had the chance to step on America???s soil.

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