The Man Behind Blackwater

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  • Posted By: Bzajr3 @ 10/15/2007 3:15:24 PM

    Regardless of who, what and where and how Blackwater ended up in Iraq, they are there and at WAR. Why does everyone forget the fact that both Blackwater and the Military are AMERICANS. They have to defend themselves against a force that are not in a uniform and can not be identified as a civilian or combatant. It doesn't matter at this point whether or not Prince is a christian wacko or not. AMERICAN fathers, sons, mothers, daugters are in Iraq and regardless who put them there, we need to show our support. The military hired Blackwater and if they have to defend themselfs from "invisible bullets fired from invisible guns, that no one ever witnesses" so be it. It's always the same old story from all you bleeding heart morons. Like it or not, we are at WAR, people die, civilians die so AMERICANS can live. Get over it. Last time I cheked history, we killed a whole lot of German and Japanesse civilians. You didn't hear AMERICAN'S crying back then....did you? Oh, I forgot, your all going to say we aren't a war with Iraq, they didn't do anything, we shouldn't be there.....9/11, Hussain thats enough reason.

  • Posted By: namvet6869 @ 10/15/2007 1:36:50 PM

    KINGPIN U R A PIG WITH ALOT TO LEARN MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK YOURSELF ON IQ I THINK U R A WORK OF ART GOD BLESS EVERYONE AND HELP KINGPIN

    • Posted By: kwh13 @ 10/15/2007 3:02:08 PM

      NamVet - what did you do in Nam? I can tell you werent a grunt - because a grunt likes any help he can get in any form it comes in. You probably spent your tour sitting in Danang shooing heroin and blackmarketing US government gear that was supposed to go to the grunts.
      Just because you were in Vietnam doesnt mean youre the definitive authority on all things military - when did you get out - 38-39 years ago? Yeah - youre hardly up to date. So give the other guys a rest and quit calling everyone a pig or I'll expose your pogue rear end for the wanna be that you are.

      Yeah - I'm a grunt, yeah Ive been there. and Ill whip out the DD214s to prove it- I doubt you will

  • Posted By: kwh13 @ 10/15/2007 2:43:31 PM

    I dont know what everyone is getting so wrapped around the "private army" thing for. We are surrounded by them constantly - there is an armed security guard in the bank when you go there, sometimes at your grocery store, the mall, the amusement park.......Nobody is calling them a mercenary force yet if they were placed in the same scenario as Blackwater SECURITY they would most likely react the same as Blackwater. Nobody is calling the president of Wells Fargo armored cars a religious lunatic - but his company does EXACTLY the same mission. The only difference in the two is the geography. Nobody is calling for the disbanding of the armed security guard at the bank or the mall and calling their companies "private armies" or crying about how much their bag of alfalfa sprouts cost because they have to pay the security gaurd at the grocery store when the local police force could and should provide this service/s. My point is that Blackwater is the same as any other security gaurd company - nothing more nothing less. The religion of the owner is of no matter in the operational aspect of the firm other than it might be run with a little more ethical consideration than your publicly traded firms. We already have these private armies in our midst on a daily basis - yet nobody seems to bat an eye at Jimmy the security gaurd at the subdivision gate. But the essence of the mission of all security companies is the same. The variable is the permissive on non permissive environment in which they are bound to conduct their mission.

    just on a historical point the coal mine riots in West Virginia were carried out by Private Security hired by the coal mine against the union strikes. Yeah - that was an offensive type private army. The other I can think of is the Pinkerton sceanrios in the old west. The difference is that both of those scenarios is that they American soil and offensive in nature - Blackwater is on foreign soil and defensive in nature - yeah the bullet holes and the disabled Suburban didnt get there via fairy dust. It mut have come from those unarmed civilians who werent firing any weapons.

  • Posted By: jmolina13131 @ 10/15/2007 2:15:56 PM

    We can thank Blackwater for the bullet that isn't in their skull? Why are we in Iraq? A lot of people who are loyal to the Republican party have profited from this war. Let's not forget that! I'd love to compare who many lives would not been lost if President Bush had not pushed us into this war with Iraq.

  • Posted By: jmolina13131 @ 10/15/2007 2:15:38 PM

    We can thank Blackwater for the bullet that isn't in their skull? Why are we in Iraq? A lot of people who are loyal to the Republican party have profited from this war. Let's not forget that! I'd love to compare who many lives would not been lost if President Bush had not pushed us into this war with Iraq.

  • Posted By: jmolina13131 @ 10/15/2007 2:12:45 PM

    We can thank Blackwater for the bullet that isn't in their skull? Why are we in Iraq? A lot of people who are loyal to the Republican party have profited from this war. Let's not forget that! I'd love to compare who many lives would not been lost if President Bush had not pushed us into this war with Iraq.

  • Posted By: OldSoldier @ 10/15/2007 12:44:01 PM

    Why are we using contract forces? Look at the size of of our military. We have more contract people than we have actual people in uniform. Why? Money!!! First let's have the rich folks in this country lobby to get rid of the draft. Then they can start up companies that will provide support services to the military to replace all those jobs that were done by soldiers. People asked why the military isn't guarding these diplomats and the answer is that they don't want some young inexperienced national guardsman doing the job. In the 70's and 80's, I was still training soldiers to do exactly that job. The people we trained were well equiped and very job at their job. When not needed for escort duty they were back at their regular military job as a medic, a cook, a mechanic, an infantryman, or whatever. Hell, instead of paying some civilian group, overwhich you have little control, and if you won't turn it back over to the military, expand the Secret Service to have them do the job. I'm sure Mr. Prince would have no problems getting the contract to train a special group from the Secret Service. The difference would be that the group would once again belong directly to the government and therefore be subject to law.

    • Posted By: kwh13 @ 10/15/2007 2:03:25 PM

      Old soldier:

      Blackwater is doing a State Department job, not a military job - just to clear that confusion up. Secondly BHlackwater is it for less than what the Stae Dept. can do the job. Thirdly, Blackwater can be released from their contract when the job is over (the war, the conflict, whatever, pick your tagline) whereas a Stae Dept employee has to be found new work to do, a retirement plan etc. I for one, dont want to pay for 2 thousand State Dept employees to walk around Washington DC picking up cigarette butts for $75k per year - how about you?

  • Posted By: MamaRemy @ 10/15/2007 8:21:37 AM

    At some deep level we seem to have forgotten that the underlying structure of this government is based on a balance of power, and accountability. There is no place for private armies, answerable in their frame of reference, to no one but themselves and their particular, self-defined, mission.

    • Posted By: onesawb @ 10/15/2007 12:45:49 PM

      You have forgotten that this Nation was founded by private Armies.

      • Posted By: MamaRemy @ 10/15/2007 2:03:23 PM

        No, I have not forgotten the mercenaries who helped us gain our independence, but this is an entirely different situation. If these "private armies" are permitted to continue without restraint, what safeguards do we have in relation to them when they come Stateside? In the midst of our catastrophe in New Orleans, it was not reassuring to see Blackwater men on duty where there should have been National Guardsmen. Would having a private army in whatever your city is reassure you, or make you a bit uncomfortable when they answer to no one but Prince and his "vision" of how things should be run?

  • Posted By: onesawb @ 10/15/2007 12:13:04 PM

    Our all volunteer military is made up of burger flippers and unemployables whose only objective is to waste time and get a paycheck.Most of them did not join the military to serve, but to avoid low paying temporary jobs, a large number objected or refused to deploy to Iraq after serving years in the peacetime army.It saddens me to think that after 24 years of service, That I've left a better equipped Army that is much weaker than the one I joined 24 years ago. I have to agree that contractors are doing jobs that our military is unable and unwilling to do. I cannot speak for the other branches of the military, but the US Army is full of burger flippers and crybabies, who whine about any task given. Don't get me wrong we have many fine soldiers in Iraq at the same time there is much dead wood. If it weren't for the contractors there could be no success in
    Iraq, period. God Bless Blackwater and the others with the balls to actually do the job.

    • Posted By: kwh13 @ 10/15/2007 1:57:30 PM

      Dude:

      You really have no connection with reality whatsoever if that is who you think serves in the military. I think most of my unit had at least two years of college on the average, some even had degrees. The enlisted men, I'm not talking about the officers who are required to have a degree. Yes, some guys joined right out of high school, but most had been out there already. As to the "large number" who refused to deploy? Again dont know what youre talking about - you mean the dozen or so that have refused out of the entire US military? You mean that .00001% of the forces. By the way - thats a better % than the WWII era could boast. Blackwater is attractive to a lot of operators b/c you are pretty much doing the same job you do in the military (Inextremis Hostage Recovery) but you get a HUGE raise. Some of my buddies in my reserve unit (which has coincidently had a platoon in Iraq or Afghanistan constantly since January of 2003 and is therefore probably the most depolyed unit in the Marine Corps ) deploy with the Marine Corps for 6 months to Iraq, turn around and go back to work for Blackwater for another 6 month rotation because of the fact that the deployment rotation (a two word combination that I thought I would never hear used in the same sentence with reserve unit) keeps them from being able to obtain suitable employment due to the fact that their boss knows they are going to get deployed again in a few months - yeah, its illegal but its the reality. If you ask me, these guys at Blackwater are giving a heck of a training program to our units whose members work for them in their off time. BTW I wouldnt be talking trash about those burger flippers who were trigger pullers less than a month ago.

    • Posted By: namvet6869 @ 10/15/2007 1:45:10 PM

      TELL ME ONESAWB WHAT IS THE JOB AND BELEVE ME ITS NOT ABOUT BALLS BUD ITS ABOUT CONTROL AND MONEY WAKE UP BEFORE YOU FALL AND HURT YOURSELF AND BLACKWATER WILL BURN IN HELL. NAM VET

    • Posted By: hideousdwarf @ 10/15/2007 12:24:17 PM

      Really? SO then My Dads BA in Nursing, Grandfathers Masters of Psychology and my path to my BA dont count?

      • Posted By: no0ne_007 @ 10/15/2007 12:56:57 PM

        "God Bless Blackwater " - For doing what God said he would never do again, killing a bunch of people. (To bad blackwater can't make it rain, huh?). What ever happened to "Thow shalt not kill". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy)

  • Posted By: automan @ 10/15/2007 1:38:42 AM

    Like most self-styled conservatives, Prince has his head up his ass truly believing that because of his political stance he is above the law.. Well, that is the prevailing thought process behing the Chaneys of the world, the Bushes of the world and all of the other would-be dictators that are keeping our world in coninual turmoil in the name of freedom. Neither he, Chaney or Bush have a clue.

    • Posted By: namvet6869 @ 10/15/2007 1:52:02 PM

      RIGHT ON AUTOMAN WE NEED TO FIX OUR PROBLEMS BEFORE TRYING TO FIX OTHERS ITS NOT ABOUT POLITICS ITS ABOUT RIGHTS FREEDOM CHOICES. NAM VET

    • Posted By: Shollyman @ 10/15/2007 9:38:16 AM

      If you needed protection, would you want politicians and reporters doing the job? Please drop the politics and get real!

  • Posted By: bfranklin @ 10/15/2007 12:18:24 PM

    "Christians" like Prince are the PROOF that Christianity is a doomed failure. Christianity in America is no different than the Islamic fundamentalists that they despise in the middle east.

    • Posted By: lumberjack @ 10/15/2007 12:35:24 PM

      You're right. Didn't I see Mother Teresa on CNN sawing someone's head off?

      • Posted By: bfranklin @ 10/15/2007 12:47:56 PM

        How many Blackwaters does it take to cancel out one Mother Teresa? How many Iraqi children have to die before you get over your fear of Middle East indepence from America and its economic agenda? Your fear is killing America, do you find salvation in the death of others? Is that your Christian salvation? Not only that but as an American I derive my definition of freedom from the Constitution, not the Bible. Eik Prince's delsional belief in good and evil have nothing to do with me.

        Neither YOU nor Erik Prince speaks for the American people.

        • Posted By: lumberjack @ 10/15/2007 1:34:12 PM

          Blackwater contracts with the federal government to provide protection for diplomats. It has nothing to do with religion. If, and i don't know how big an if that is, Blackwater employees killed unarmed, unmalicious Iraqi civilians, then I believe they should be punished as any other common criminal.
          As for Middle East independence, I'm all for it. I say let's put another $1.00 per-gallon tax on un-commerce-related gas, restart our nuclear power prgrams, give huge grants for wind and solar power and start turning Saudi Arabia back into the goat-herding nation it was 50 years ago. Provided we all agree Israel has a right to exist peacefully. But pretend for a minute we didn't invade Iraq. Weren't Iraqi children being killed by other Iraqis? Pretend for a minute we had an immediate total withdrawal....won't Iraqi children still be dying at the hands of other Iraqis? Of course. All in the name of one form of Islam versus another. On September 11, 2001, there were radical Muslims that wanted to kill you in your little cubicle on whatever floor of the WTCs. As a Christian, I might disagree with you, but I don't want to kill you.
          God bless you, me and America.

          • Posted By: ap313 @ 10/15/2007 1:49:54 PM

            Before reading this article, I never would have associated Blackwater with Christianity. Their job is to protect US civilians working in Iraq and other hostile environments. I've worked with the Department of Defense for three years and I'm quite familiar with the work they've done, and I've never heard so much as a peep about the founder's religious beliefs. So don't go and accuse Blackwater of being some fundamentalist Christian army going out there and killing Musliums. This is just another case of the media spinning something that's completely unrelated to the "problem." I'd love for Congress to compare the number of lives lost had Blackwater NOT been responsible to safeguarding US civilians and diplomats abroad. Who the heck do you think protected all the Senators and members of Congress who've visited Iraq and Afghanistan on their little boondoggles? They can thank Blackwater for the bullet that isn't in their skull.

    • Posted By: namvet6869 @ 10/15/2007 1:40:44 PM

      ALOT OF PEOPLE SAY THEY DO SOMETHING FOR SOME GOOD WE NEED TO CLEAN UP OUR OWN HOUSE HERE IN THE USA BEFORE TRYING TO PUSH OUR BELIEFS DOWN OTHERS THROATS. NAM VET

    • Posted By: lumberjack @ 10/15/2007 12:32:54 PM

      You're right. Didn't I see Mother Teresa sawing off a hostage's head?

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  • Posted By: Lilliegeorge @ 10/15/2007 1:46:12 PM

    This whole situation is just very SAD!!!

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  • Posted By: namvet6869 @ 10/15/2007 1:33:39 PM

    Erik we cannot push our beliefs on everyone; you need to either enlist or get a real job what you and your men are doing is way wrong you need help man. a proud NAM VET

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  • Posted By: 800mZero @ 10/15/2007 1:29:00 PM

    Erik Prince and his operators do a job that they deserve to get well paid for. Yes could it be possibly done by our own military ---yep it could. But that would depllete our special forces from doing thier jobs. Blackwater offers a service---you can buy someone who will take a bullet for you in the middle of a warzone. To me given the current unsettled state of Iraq i would pay Mr. Prince for one of his Men. I could care less about his religion--it his is his constitutional right to practice whatever religion he wants, it is also his constitutional right to post whatever he wants on the net---rights that he has defened with his own life. Did his men screw up?? That is yet to be determined. Do I think his men are doing a good job---yes I do. Do I think they are needed--yes I do. Before you all bash the man and his companies services --put your self in the situtation of being a foriegn unarmed doplomat in Iraq's hot spots--who would you want on your side? Would you want the greenhorn NG soldier, or a highly traind ex special forces operator?

  • Posted By: no0ne_007 @ 10/15/2007 11:53:41 AM

    "It is true that the Blackwater Web site has a "Chaplain Corner" with a distinctly evangelical message."

    This is what I find ironic by the religious right... Blackwater personal are trained in killing people, but as long as it is in the name of God, it is ok? (More people were killed during the Christian crusades, then in both world wars put together)

    I like your Christ, I dislike your Christians,
    for your Christians are unlike your Christ.

    • Posted By: lumberjack @ 10/15/2007 12:46:10 PM

      Oh, and while we're on recent events such as the Crusades, didn't the Crusades involve a little bit of reclaiming land in Europe from invading Muslims? I guess nobody was harmed during their excursions, huh?

      • Posted By: no0ne_007 @ 10/15/2007 1:24:41 PM

        lol, now it's the other way around, Christians invading Muslim countries. I guess nobody has been hurt in Iraq? (So where are the aluminum tubes, yellow cake from Niger, the mobile labs that Colin Powell reference in his UN speech?)

  • Posted By: Thomas-in-Newport @ 10/15/2007 1:21:58 PM

    I support Blackwater???s actions. I believe in free enterprise. This company was hired to carry out certain missions with certain guidelines. They have done so. The attacks on Blackwater are coming from the same people that are attacking the US forces hoping we will be defeated by the islamo- fascist. The people that are attacking Blackwater are the same people that attack Israel and Christians. These people are the socialist that want to destroy the present Constitution of the United States of America and rewrite it with more government control and only their political views allowed. Blackwater is a security company operating in a very hostile environment under government contracts. They do their job well.

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