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Not Really Feeling It

A new book tries to make sense of the gripping, grating psychodrama that is the Clintons' marriage.

By Jonathan Darman | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Oct 22, 2007

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  • Posted By: ucrsue @ 10/16/2007 8:05:45 PM

    I'm sorry, but I like "Three Stooges/M*A*S*H/Two and a Half Men/Keith Olbermann," so I have to go with this: really "troop supporter," the "right to bare arms?" Not the arms I see at work! Leave them covered up! All that flab dangling . . . don't these women bowl? At least one arm would be firm. However, surprise, surprise, many Dems (of which I'm one), do believe in the Second Amendment. Again, I'm sorry, but I just had to go for the "pull my finger" joke.

    • Posted By: troop supporter @ 10/16/2007 8:29:57 PM

      ucrsue I'm sorry too you don't have a color TV. For the pull my finger joke, you should be a comedian on TV, so I can turn you off.

      • Posted By: ucrsue @ 11/12/2008 4:55:58 PM

        My uncles and aunts, my grandfather and grandmother are buried in Nat Cemetaries. Dad has a Bronze Star. Grandpa was gassed during WWI. My Uncle Chuck is buried at a National Cementary somewhere up in upstate Oregon along with Aunt Maureen. Dad was in WWII, Korea and VN. Our family went all over the States and the world as he was a USAF officer. Was it fun? Sometimes. But I remember to troopsupporter: My father and mother are in the Riverside National Cemetary, along with my Uncle Cal and Aunt Clare, and when his only sister sent a telegram to Mom while Dad was in VN and Mom's first thought was he'd been killed. My Uncle Dick will also go to a National Cemetary when he goes. My old "vaudville jokes" might seem stupid to you, but when I was 10 in Frankfurt, Germany, in 1965, that's the already 20 some year old radio shows we got on Airmed Forces Networks. Stars and Stripes was our only newspaper. We had no real clue as young pre-teens/teenagers of what was happening in the U.S. in the mid-60s. We were already worrying about our dads having to go to VN, but we didn't know why. I do remember reading the Stars and Stripes and the long, damn discussion about the "shape of the table" that the North VN argued about.. My partner's father was a flame thrower on Tarawa. Her uncle was a prisoner in Germany. We had a family friend that would never leave his house without a couple of pieces of bread in his pocket, in case. A girl in high school lost her dad, as a pilot, over VN in 1965. They've never found him. Yes, my family also fought in the Rev War and the Civ War. I don't think my patriotism needs to be questioned anymore. I wear my dad's USAAF Bombiader ring every day. I drive back to SoCal and stop at the Riverside National Cemetary every time. But, I believe we had no business in Iraq. They had nothing to do with 9/11. Were they an awful government? Of course. But, I don't see us invading N Korea or Cuba, 90 miles off our coast. We should have put the 150+ troops in Afganistan and gotten that rat bastard Bin Laden. I suspect, however, he's dead. P.S. I used to work for an insurance company that services the military community. Some younger coworkers have been redeployed for their second and third times. My jokes are old-fashioned, because I didn't hear "new"stuff in the 60s. I listened to Armed Forces Radio shows that were from the 30s and 40s. Still, pull my finger makes me giggle and I do like Beavis and Butthead and "Two and a Half Men." But my male relatives and our families have sacrificed. I went to a junior high in Frankfurt on Anne Frank Strasse that had a bomb scare, evacuating all of us, in 1967. The interesting part was watching and listening to the black classmates, girls, that were sitting in a circle listening and singing along with a little record player to The Supremes. "Stop, In the Name of Love . . ." I wouldn't trade those 40 year old memories.

  • Posted By: Bruch @ 05/24/2008 10:24:59 AM

    I have always thought of Hillary as an egomaniac of the highest degree...power-hungry, greedy,do-anything, say-anything to achieve her desired results. She is a proven liar and rather pathetic in her attempts to promote herself as a champion of the middle class, white older women,under-educated population. What does she really know about being "middle class", she who has millions ijh her own right, and continues to benefit from taxes paid by citizens with Secret Service protection, paid staffm etc?

    I watched her down a shot of Crown Royal and wondered how effective she would be in the Muslim countries as the commander-in-chief of our nation. How could they possibly have any respect for her?
    Then she switches to beer and is proud of the fact that un-educated voters want her. Can that mean that because they ARE un-educated, they can't understand the power of politics and therefore can be swayed by her type of rhetoric? I saw a picture of some of her supporters with one holding a "coirrected" sign..having misspelled her name!

    I dread the day should she actually become our president.

  • Posted By: wendy-franklin @ 01/22/2008 3:54:32 PM

    Are the Clintons an actual married couple or a strategic political alliance with a white-knuckled grip on power? The American public certainly views them as the latter. Nobody thinks it is a coincidence that their staying together increased Hillary's viability in her White House bid. It is laughable that Hillary Clinton proudly trumpets family values. Didn't the Clintons forfeit those political points in the 90s amidst the soap opera of their own completely dysfunctional family's soap opera?

  • Posted By: ddansby @ 10/16/2007 8:01:58 PM

    A former CIA agent told me, when Clinton was in the White House, the Hilary was gay. That ALL of the CIA knew that her "Secretary" was her lover. Secretary is a direct related to the word "secret". Remember, she brought her from AK. So why was Clinton fooling around? Hello!!!...that was their arrangement. Why has that NOT been disclosed. It is common Knowledge in DC.

    • Posted By: mari2JJ @ 11/14/2007 11:40:40 PM

      That is a lie right out of hell. If any CIA mentioned anything like that they would be fired immediately. Try arguing on the merits instead of introducing some nut comment some supposed CIA person blabbed to you. They would be fired if they did that!!!!

      • Posted By: mari2JJ @ 11/14/2007 11:45:06 PM

        In fact I am cutting and pasting this tripe to send to the CIA.

  • Posted By: overfly @ 10/16/2007 7:46:49 PM

    The Clinton's are liars and thieves. They have no one's best interests at heart but their own. They are simply self serving ego-maniacs. It will be a sad commentary on the state of this nations electorate if she is elected into the most prestigious, powerful office in the world. I challenge all Hillary fans to look hard at the Clinton years in Arkansas. If you dig deep enough you will find years worth of money grabbing, lying, cheating and deceit and then you will see Hillary's absolutely true colors. God help us if she is given the power of the U.S. President.

    • Posted By: liz4946 @ 10/16/2007 8:12:46 PM

      God Bless America for surviving George Bush...if we can survive him we can survive anyone.

      • Posted By: mari2JJ @ 11/14/2007 11:42:08 PM

        Well, just take a poll and see who is the most hated national politician and it will not be either Hillary Clinton nor Bill Clinton, Nope, it is GW himself - - the most hated!!!!!!. I pray every day we elect Democratic President..

        a Godsend after this walking tornado we have now. Ao bring on the enough country left that some Democrat can straighten out the mess, any one of thos erunning would be a Gd

      • Posted By: mari2JJ @ 11/14/2007 11:32:48 PM

        Well, just take a poll and see who is the most hated national politician and it will not be either Hillary Clinton nor Bill Clinton, Nope, it is GW himself - - the most hated!!!!!!. I pray every day we elect Democratic President..

        a Godsend after this walking tornado we have now. Ao bring on the enough country left that some Democrat can straighten out the mess, any one of thos erunning would be a Gd

    • Posted By: coach77 @ 10/16/2007 7:51:16 PM

      Amen to that thanks for showing some of these Hillary lovers the dark side of their favorite and they were caught and had to pay back some money and lost some files sure they lost them. They are cheats and cheated in office and will for sure do it aghain just like they accepted gifts in office and then had to give them back.

  • Posted By: SteveMcGarrett @ 10/15/2007 10:17:11 AM

    "Clinton, they say, is an accomplished senator and an independent woman." Umm, could someone please list some of these "accomplishments" for me as I certainly haven't seen any during her time in the Senate.

    • Posted By: Stella1 @ 10/15/2007 3:45:40 PM

      New York elected her twice, enough said.

      • Posted By: ohnonotagain @ 10/16/2007 7:43:35 AM

        Just thinking that Clinton could be the next president, makes me sick to my stomach. The U.S. would go to hell on roller skates. We are dealing with an evil world, crazy muslims everywhere. She is not fit to be, Commander in Chief. Being a little Senator in New York means nothing and I for one cannot take another 4 years of a total fiasco in the White House, lying, cheating ( sex with everyone except your spouse) and, stealing, and ( Vince Foster). I sure would like to now the truth about ole Vince.

        • Posted By: aghway @ 10/16/2007 10:48:51 AM

          There are only two things worse than another Clinton Presidency: Every other Republican running and the current republican in the White House.

          • Posted By: Sarabrooke27 @ 10/16/2007 7:18:56 PM

            I am a democrat, floating without a preserver in a sea of republicans. Like sharks, some will attack without warning or justification. Closing thier eyes upon intiation of war, denying mistakes and circling around for another approach. I don't expect a president to be perfect. A president is human afterall. But what makes a good leader is someone who will put american citizens lives ahead of thier own. To start with healthcare and human rights rather than war and a useless prediction of wmds. All Bush did was create fear. He rules with fear to produce an outcome in his favor. Never admiting to wrongs. He is untouchable in a moral destitude. Honestly I am more worried about what Bush has taught our children. Things like it's okay to jump to conclusions or that revenge is better than restoration. Evil is not produced by itself. It arrives from good people choosing opposition over peace. Maybe Bush isn't evil, but he is detrimental to our society. Mrs. Clinton is going to have a lot of clean up to do, and she has my patients. Anything will be better when Our dictatorship of a president and a nation of hatred. I look forward to a time where our children can be proud to be american, when our government can actually help our children at home rather than sending them to die.

            • Posted By: jtohio @ 10/30/2007 10:00:26 AM

              The problem Sara is that the culture of hatred was in place BEFORE Bush entered the Whitehouse and the Dumbocrats had it in their mind to attack from day one. If you think the next president has a lot of "cleaning up to do what about the semen stains left by the Clintons???

        • Posted By: telecom67 @ 10/16/2007 12:46:08 PM

          Amen.

      • Posted By: ohnonotagain @ 10/16/2007 7:53:37 AM

        Just thinking that she could become the next president, makes me sick to my stomach. We are living in a very dangerous world, crazy muslims everywhere, including in the US. We need a strong leader. She is not fit to be Commander in Chief. Being a little Senator in New York means nothing. I for one can not taken another 4 years of fiasco in the White House, lying, cheating ( with everyone except your spouse) stealing. And (Vince Foster), I sure would like to know the "TRUTH" about Vince.

    • Posted By: Stella1 @ 10/15/2007 3:51:47 PM

      Umm? New York is happy with Senator Clinton, she won by a large margin in 2006.

  • Posted By: Avianese2007 @ 10/19/2007 7:33:07 AM

    Sen. Clinton has her own mind despite being married to Bill Clinton. Anyone who still accomplished all that she has done despite all the marriage woes that hunted her days as a First Lady definitely counts as a very strong person for me. The Bush presidency has been all about the war on terrorism and has certainly neglected our own domestic policies especially healthcare and education. Clinton has a lot of things to clean up especially the US image abroad. I'd like to see her elected if that's possible in the future.

  • Posted By: Avianese2007 @ 10/19/2007 7:23:34 AM

    Sen. Clinton has her own mind despite being married to Bill Clinton. Anyone who still accomplished all that she has done despite all the marriage woes that hunted her days as a First Lady definitely counts as a very strong person for me. The Bush presidency has been all about the war on terrorism and has certainly neglected our own domestic policies especially healthcare and education. Clinton has a lot of things to clean up especially the US image abroad. I'd like to see her elected if that's possible in the future.

  • Posted By: jlziton @ 10/16/2007 5:00:41 PM

    I always dreamed one day we'd have a woman President, but you couldn't pay me enough to vote for Hillary. For their entire marriage, she coldly ignored her husband's most basic human need and called him an "addict" only to further her career, which ironically almost caused Bill to lose the Presidency. And I'm a female, MBA student who usually votes Democratic... but Giuliani, you get my vote!

    • Posted By: jpre1 @ 10/18/2007 4:00:09 PM

      Yes, vote for a man who moved his mistress into Gracie Mansion because you are upset about the way Hillary and Bill maintain their marriage. Perfectly rational.

  • Posted By: AngelB3 @ 10/16/2007 2:17:43 AM

    During the Clinton Administration, we had a country that was not in a meaningless, immoral war. The rich got richer, and the poor had more money, too. U.S. had many allies worldwide--most of whom have turned against us over the last 7 years. The Clintons have survived personally and professionally for years, but there will always be those who want to focus on their personal lives rather than their contributions to this country. "A new book tries to make sense of the gripping, grating psychodrama that is the Clintons' marriage." Ho Hum.

    • Posted By: America1st @ 10/16/2007 2:24:27 AM

      Power hungry monsters, but you say they "are working on it". Well I guess they get a pass then... Also, we hadn't been attacked on our own soil thanks to BUBBA and HER...

      • Posted By: jpre1 @ 10/18/2007 3:53:50 PM

        We were attacked on our on soild DURING the Clinton presidency. Of course, Clinton caught and jailed the attackers. And it's Bill and Hillary's fault that the memo about men from the Arabian peninsula crowding flight schools was left sitting on Condi's desk?

  • Posted By: jpre1 @ 10/18/2007 3:37:34 PM

    And how many times did Rudy G. cheat on his wife? Oh wait, which wife? Please, people. Give it a rest. The nation is going down the tubes because all the media serves up is fluff and drivel like this.

  • Posted By: morph @ 10/17/2007 4:28:29 PM

    Hillary Clinton--the Coattail candidate --cont'd-- Liabilities:
    Leadership - Can she effectively tackle the hard issues facing America? What is her track record under duress, with mostly UNpopular options? Can she lead? Can she build consensus? Can she, and especially, can she WIthout Bill, regain American stature and respect in the world.
    Judgement - Can she/will she end the Iraq nightmare, and pursue a more nuanced and better reasoned course in the Middle East? Or will she keep one foot loyal to her hawkish, New York/contributor base, and the other trying to appease the New Democrats for Diplomacy, and end up giving us Eight more years of Bush-Cheney lite?
    Courage - Domestically- Does she have the will or the leadership skills needed to make the hard decisions and build an effective, move forward consensus regarding Social Security, Homeland Security, Immigration, Health Care and Education--not to mention the looming economic, employment and deficit spending legacy of the Bush-Cheney disaster. Even if she Talks the Talk, can she/will she Walk the Walk--with or without Bill at her side?

    The main thing we know is that if she is nominated and somehow moves on to become President, her first four years will be spent equivocating and posturing to get herself re-elected in 2012. I seriously question whether American can wait that long for New Leadership; for a break from the special interests/power elite politics that is turning this country into a Bush/Clinton oligarchy rather than a truly representative democratic republic.

    And finally, speaking of oligarchy, let's think for a moment about what Hillary in the White House might reveal about our precarious democracy. Given the growing influence of money and media-consolidation on electoral politics and government, and the power of branding and name recognition and media elites and other Insider advantages, do we really want to stay on this path of electing same-name offspring and spouses to the most powerful political office on this earth. Have we become so lazy, and so insular about our own welfare, that we're ready to sacrifice our sacred duty as voters, and turn over the keys to the White House to Brand Names with the highest and most calculating and self-absorbed bidder.

    Perhaps, the real question we should be asking ourselves is who, among all the candidates, could and would do
    the right things for America. Who has the courage and judgement and the raw energy to cut through all the special interest harpies, and lead us back to our roots in Dephi democracy. Who can be counted upon to secure the greatest good for the greatest number. Who do you trust to Do the Right Things for America as a whole, and not just pander to special interest groups. Who indeed! I don't know about you, but I'm still shopping. Wishing and hoping, but not holding my breathe.

  • Posted By: morph @ 10/17/2007 4:13:04 PM

    Hillary Clinton--the Coattail candidate.

    No executive experience. No real world, common sense experience.
    No self-made experience. In fact, she's lived in a political bubble her whole adult life,
    and has No experience outside politics.

    She and her Secret Service- protected husband only became homeowners--
    certainly one of the most American rights of passage-- AFTER they left the White House
    and started raking in book deal millions.

    She is bright. She is a hard worker.
    She has drastically improved her physical appearance
    since entering public life. After years in the whack-a-mole, spot lit shadow of Bill Clinton, she
    is indeed toughened, extremely articulate and well-versed, and has demonstrated remarkable focus and resilience.
    She has magnificently played every part to advance her own ambitions.

    Yet, the question remains, not counting the Vogue cover and Chelsea, what has Hilary done for America?
    And, more pointedly, what has she done ON HER OWN, without the quill of carrots and sticks
    provided by her omnipresent husband?

    She probably could have achieved a lot ON HER OWN, but we'll never know. She chose to bank her own political career on her husband's coattails. Each of her placements since she went to Arkansas were made possible by the
    personal and position power of husband Bill.
    Without the Wizard of Oz behind her, just how loyal would all those FOBs be?
    How many Hillary supporters are there because they are either awestruck or hedging or power suck-ups?
    How many of the media, money and power elite, who take it upon themselves to coronate American leaders,
    would be there for her and her alone? Not to be morbid, but
    if something should happen to Bill between now and election day, what would happen to her numbers.
    How many of her supporters are counting on getting Two for One at the ballot box?

    The experience she does have--as a political wife and Freshman legislator--
    is in fact meager, as both these situations were enabled by her
    marriage to President Clinton. Do you really think Rose, or any other Power Law Firm in a southern city in the 80's would have hired a woman or an outsider If she were not married to the Governor?

    Also, let us not forget, she is extremely CALCULATING.
    How else does one so successfully go from zero to eighty on the political ladder without passing GO.

    So, let's get off Hillary's illusory Runaway train to the presidency and take a hard look at her actual balance sheet.

    Perceived Assets:
    -She can win the general election. Maybe Not, given her high negatives and her penchant to over-step.
    Without Bill at her side-- No Way!
    -She's experienced. Experienced at what--being a fly on the wall of history; being a self-promoting opportunist? triangulating? (You support Lamont, I'll back Leiberman.) Underneath the sartorial facade, is she just another conniving, political porcupine--more like Richard Nixon, than Franklin Roosevelt. Rubbing people the wrong way, counting on Smooth-talking, fence-mending Bil

  • Posted By: morph @ 10/17/2007 4:11:59 PM

    Hillary Clinton--the Coattail candidate.

    No executive experience. No real world, common sense experience.
    No self-made experience. In fact, she's lived in a political bibble her whole adult life,
    and has No experience outside politics.

    She and her Secret Service- protected husband only became homeowners--
    certainly one of the most American rights of passage-- AFTER they left the White House
    and started raking in book deal millions.

    She is bright. She is a hard worker.
    She has drastically improved her physical appearance
    since entering public life. After years in the whack-a-mole, spot lit shadow of Bill Clinton, she
    is indeed toughened, extremely articulate and well-versed, and has demonstrated remarkable focus and resilience.
    She has magnificently played every part to advance her own ambitions.

    Yet, the question remains, not counting the Vogue cover and Chelsea, what has Hilary done for America?
    And, more pointedly, what has she done ON HER OWN, without the quill of carrots and sticks
    provided by her omnipresent husband?

    She probably could have achieved a lot ON HER OWN, but we'll never know. She chose to bank her own political career on her husband's coattails. Each of her placements since she went to Arkansas were made possible by the
    personal and position power of husband Bill.
    Without the Wizard of Oz behind her, just how loyal would all those FOBs be?
    How many Hillary supporters are there because they are either awestruck or hedging or power suck-ups?
    How many of the media, money and power elite, who take it upon themselves to coronate American leaders,
    would be there for her and her alone? Not to be morbid, but
    if something should happen to Bill between now and election day, what would happen to her numbers.
    How many of her supporters are counting on getting Two for One at the ballot box?

    The experience she does have--as a political wife and Freshman legislator--
    is in fact meager, as both these situations were enabled by her
    marriage to President Clinton. Do you really think Rose, or any other Power Law Firm in a southern city in the 80's would have hired a woman or an outsider If she were not married to the Governor?

    Also, let us not forget, she is extremely CALCULATING.
    How else does one so successfully go from zero to eighty on the political ladder without passing GO.

    So, let's get off Hillary's illusory Runaway train to the presidency and take a hard look at her actual balance sheet.

    Perceived Assets:
    -She can win the general election. Maybe Not, given her high negatives and her penchant to over-step.
    Without Bill at her side-- No Way!
    -She's experienced. Experienced at what--being a fly on the wall of history; being a self-promoting opportunist? triangulating? (You support Lamont, I'll back Leiberman.) Underneath the sartorial facade, is she just another conniving, political porcupine--more like Richard Nixon, than Franklin Roosevelt. Rubbing people the wrong way, counting on Smooth-talking, fence-mending Bil

  • Posted By: Michaelrf @ 10/15/2007 6:10:03 PM

    ..wow, I checked out "The Mena Connection" per a user comment below. Stuff like that really scares me. Our government has to much secret power; while we the people know nothing. (Which is how they want it). Im moving to Sweden. Oh wait, I cant leave my family behind. Oh well, I will just stick around then. But, I am voting for Hillary anyway. At least the woman has incredible intelligence, compared to the complete idiocracy of the current administration. Oh Hill, please pick Evan Bayh to be your running mate. That will be the best team we could get at this point. Obama, your turn comes in 2012.

    • Posted By: It's Jo @ 10/15/2007 7:00:53 PM

      Michael,
      you're right Hillary is smart AND very calculating. After all, don't YOU wish you could take $l,000 and turn it into over $100,000? How about that 'Clinton Family Fund"? that is used to launder millions and millions of dollars for their little private use-you know, the FUND, that Hillary won't disclose the donors, AND, the one that she casually Forgot to mention and report in her Senate papers for over 5 years? When will you understand, that the Clintons are "Political Whores", that would take money from Anyone, Including the Chinese(ILLEGAL), and the likes of Criminal Hsu, AND, lie about the people who did the "Fundraiser in Hollywood(Stan Lee, and Paul) pretending that only some minimal amount was raised, when in fact it was over a million-so they tried to claim it only cost $200,000? when it was over a million?

      Yeah Michael, keep your head in the sand-DON'T worry about any background on these two Criminals-
      just retaliate about the present administration and your hatred of Bush, who inherited the ineptness of the Clinton Administration, THAT FAILED TO HANDLE THE TERRORISM IN OVER 6 EVENTS THAT KILLED AMERICANS, THUS, EMBOLDENING THE TERRORISTS(Since Clinton treated it only as a 'police matter')
      AS THEY FELT THE U.S. WAS WEAK AND VULNERABLE. BUSH INHERITED THEIR INEPTNESS ON A PLATTER. OH YEAH....THE SAME PLATTER THAT CLINTON WAS HANDED BIN LADEN ON, BUT TOOK A PASS THREE TIMES.

      • Posted By: fdsw2358 @ 10/15/2007 7:19:03 PM

        Actually, it was Clinton who created the department of Homeland Security and Bush who dismissed it in one of his first acts as president. It was only after September 11th that he thought it was maybe a good idea. Bush wasn't handed Ineptness on a platter-Bush was just inept.

        • Posted By: It's Jo @ 10/15/2007 10:31:56 PM

          You f..d, don't seem to know your facts-Clinton had 'gutted all the intel agencies(they had Never shared information with each other during Clinton Presidency) and it was Bush, who DID form the Homeland Security and had them sharing intelligence with each other. If you can't post facts, and just deal in lies, YOU and your ilk are part of the problem. During his 'reign' Clinton was too busy amassing monies from
          EVERYWHERE he could for his personal coffers. WHY, fuc..d, do YOU think Sandy Berger was stealing incriminating documents from the National Archives at the behest of the Clinton's so as to remove this incriminating lack of handling Terrorism, and "rewriting their history, that they KEEP trying to do"? You
          don't know what the hell you are talking about. BTW, the Clinton's in their hatred of the military, also cut most of their funding, JUST as he GUTTED ALL THE INTEL AGENCIES.

          • Posted By: fdsw2358 @ 10/15/2007 11:08:38 PM

            OK, enough with the unnecessary swearing-it makes you seem very emotional and thus, according to this author's interpretation of Hillary, not fit for rational political conversation. Perhaps I was a little too excited when I said that Clinton created the Department of Homeland Security.
            I will point out that I am not lying or spreading lies, but it is entirely possible that we have different viewpoints on the topic.


            I will spell out my view for you. During the Clinton Presidency, under the direction of Sandy Berger and Richard Clarke, a focus was placed on international terrorism. extensive research, manpower and time was put into National security. In the first month of George Bush's presidency, Gary Hart and Warren Rudman issued their third and final congressional report on National Security (The Hart-Rudman Report). They recommended the creation of a "National Homeland Security Agency with the responsibility for planning,coordinating and integrating various U.S. Government activities involved in homeland security." kBush chose basically to ignore these recommendations, and continued to put them off even after Clarke's new version of the plan hatched under Clinton presented on April 30th 2001. ..until of course, September 11th. And BTW, Clinton did not cut military spending in so much as he did not waste $ on unnecessary equipment in a post-cold war era. If you look at the military spending budgets of Bush in his first year compared to Clinton in his last year, you will find that they are almost identical. If you get into some of the literature you will find that Clinton did far more than anyone before him to counter terrorism. I can refer you to some readings if you would like.

            • Posted By: It's Jo @ 10/16/2007 9:23:05 AM

              I see, I am emotional, but YOU, the 'voice of reason', can't even get your Homeland facts straight-as well,
              your military spending facts-Clinton closed "how many bases"-hated the military. But this is all ok with you,
              since you are yet another Clinton apologist. FYI, I studied Terrorism, and met with U.S. Agency to further my information on said topic.....so Puleeze don't emote to me about the inept Clinton's who definitely took their eyes 'off the ball', and 'handed off the mess to Bush'(because THE CLINTONS didn't handle the many acts of Terrorism against Americans as it should have been. You have tunnel vision, and ONLY want to make remarks about Bush that you hate apparently-blaming HIM for 9/ll? Get a life, and realize that this Terrorism was started long before 9/11-when the Clinton's (who want to rewrite THEIR history-EVEN resorting to having Berger steal incriminating papers that shed light on their inepteness-NOW, it's payback
              for Berger, and Hillary has to "put up or shut up", or Berger will probably 'start talking'. Get it NOW?
              They have, and always WILL(Clinton's) 'cover their tracks'-they have done it from day one of being together
              in their "business arrangement marriage"-which does effect HOW our country would be run once again, by
              the two of them. If you think, that Bill's sexual addictions, would NOT effect how Hillary would be in the Whitehouse, then You, and the rest of the apologists posting here for them, don't realize what effects it had when they were in before. Just talk with some Secret Service people, or Whitehouse Staff or the Military who had any dealings with these two. They are so 'self absorbed', they cared LESS about protecting the
              "little people of America", as it was ONLY about the two of them, amassing wealth/power and their Lust,
              for whatever pleases each of them? You, and others here DON'T think that this erratic behavior on both their accounts' DOESN'T effect Americans, who need to KNOW, that the Whitehouse(their house) is NOT turned into some Whorehouse? Wake up, and smell the roses. BTW, I don't need any references for reading about Terrorism-I could give YOU, a hell of a lot more info than you ANYDAY.

              • Posted By: fdsw2358 @ 10/16/2007 4:42:49 PM

                Ok, give me your references-I am always interested in reading up on the topics-both sides. But do not tell me I have tunnel vision, do not insult my intelligence-it's really rude, unnecessary and untrue. I eagerly await your references...

                • Posted By: middleton @ 10/16/2007 6:28:39 PM

                  WOW! Heated!!! I too eagerly await both ur references!!!! Bring it on. To it's Jo--- Tranquilo and fdsw2358--- very collected!!

                  • Posted By: fdsw2358 @ 10/17/2007 10:38:10 AM

                    Thanks, middleton, for your interest in references. I will post mine as soon as I get back to the house this evening.

          • Posted By: aquarian68 @ 10/16/2007 4:21:29 PM

            Jo,

            For one, let's not resort to personal attacks but keep this a productive dialogue. Secondly, President Bush did not form Homeland Security until his hand was forced by the 9/11 commission, the creation of which he stalled for a couple of years until the 9/11 families went public. That being said, let's not blame one president over the another. The events are an accumulation of failures from many presidencies before Bush whom had to do a paradigm shift from cold war thinking to a globalized world integrated through the significant advances in technology. G.W. Bush had the chance to leverage the support of a world that rallied behind us after 9/11 and in my mind he squandered it and caused us to be the target of more hatred around the world, inclusive of countries that were once staunch allies.

    • Posted By: thscd @ 10/15/2007 7:02:18 PM

      Just read this book, " Compromized Clinton Bush and the CIA " By Terry Reid and John Cummings!
      Published by Clandestine Publishing! If you want to get scared read it! Two families for 20 years, do want 4-8 years of Hillary? Just say no to the Clintons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I met Terry Reid he is real!

      • Posted By: BubbaDownSouth @ 10/15/2007 9:32:35 PM

        To THSCD:
        Hey! I was a member of te Clinton's Goon Squad and we did kill hundreds of ex-political associates, but they were all Republicans.
        We still didn't get them all. We missed Congressman Mark Foley, Rev. Ted Haggard, Senator Vitter, Senator Larry Craig, Phone sex king Bill O'Reilly, Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham, etc, etc

        • Posted By: imarose @ 10/16/2007 10:13:29 AM

          Hey Bubba down south--that is funny, but why did you miss??

      • Posted By: BubbaDownSouth @ 10/15/2007 9:34:28 PM

        To THSCD:
        Hey! I was a member of te Clinton's Goon Squad and we did kill hundreds of ex-political associates, but they were all Republicans.
        We still didn't get them all. We missed Congressman Mark Foley, Rev. Ted Haggard, Senator Vitter, Senator Larry Craig, Phone sex king Bill O'Reilly, Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham, etc, etc

  • Posted By: Mexicanos para la Mujer @ 10/17/2007 10:00:54 AM

    There always got to be haters out there. Clinton is a very strong woman. Stronger than any of her male opponents - democrats or republicans. Some are threatened with her toughness and intelligence. This woman will bring back to our country what has been lost. I agree with lindacousin. I wouldn't be suprised if most of the negative comments are coming from men who are threatened. Focus on improving yourselves.

  • Posted By: Mexicanos para la Mujer @ 10/17/2007 9:53:25 AM

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  • Posted By: America1st @ 10/17/2007 3:34:43 AM

    Not enough carpetmunchers to vote her in, sorry monica wannabees....

  • Posted By: America1st @ 10/17/2007 2:58:29 AM

    hillary rodham clinton is the most opportunistic, narcissistic, sociopath alive today. This ever calculating "robot" will never make it to the White House. Facts are: There simply aren't enough angry carpetmunchers to vote her in... Sorry

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