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I read Mr. Mike 378's comment and immediately thought to myself, "yeah - letting teacher's hit the students... sure, that's the ticket!" NOT. There is the saying, "violence begets violence" for a reason. Because it is true. You aren't going to stop school shootings by allowing teachers to hit their students. The only way these incidents are going to lessen is for teachers, parents and even students to start taking responsibility when they notice when a student exhibits "troubling" behavior. If the teacher in question here had acted on the troubling behavior by seeing that Asa Coon got into counseling - even just the counseling the school offered - this shooting may not have taken place. We can't watch these troubled teens and hope they aren't going to erupt. We need to take action at the first sign of trouble - in other words - TAKE RESPONSIBILITY - and not wait for the shootings, but get the teen some help BEFORE they occur. We can do this. We all just have to make a concentrated effort to be responsible for more than just ourselves.

I've said this many times and I'll continue to say it and believe it until the day I die. We Americans brought this on ourselves when some assinine liberal decided that teachers should not be allowed to physically strike a student. In this society mothers and fathers have to work just to pay the bills, feed the kids and have a roof over there heads, they are not teaching kids right from wrong there is little of no discipline and they can't be disciplined in school! Wake up people! No discipline leads to anarchy, and that is what we brought upon ourselves. Our students can call our teachers every name in the book, disrupt the classroom. Physically attack the teacher and NOTHING HAPPENS ! The next time they just bring in a gun or guns and kill your sons and daughters and expect NOTHING TO HAPPEN ! They haven't learned to take responsibility for there actions because they have had no discipline. Corporal punishment was taken out of the schools for fear some students would be abused. These instances could be handled on a case by case basis but when these "troubled" kids kill there classmates that is the ultimate abuse. Reinstate corporal punishment.

We live in a violent world and we turn the TV on and see our "role models" in sports shows us how to do it. What kid has a chance to learn otherwise if they have absent parents. It's ok for the "role models" to be vio,nt why not all of us? I believe that anger begets anger and showing our children how to solve problems with violence has become the way of the world. When I see fighting at games I wonder why those guys still getpaid the big bucks. Why aren't they shown the door for their behavior? I work in a detention facility and have for 16 years. Nothing has changed in all those years except the faces. These kids seriously believe that it is someone else's fault for their being here. Why shjouldn't it be? We as a society have been teaching that there is a reason for your bad behavior and it isn't you that caused it. Or the choices you make aren't your fault it's for some other reason than you made a bad choice. When I was a teen I drank too much at a party and almost got raped. Guess what? I knew I had made a bad choice when I chose to drink and hang with drunk people. Would the guy be in trouble today? You bet but what was my part? In my life I learned that it takes two and if you don't want to be a part of that equation you need to make the choice. Was his intnetions to hurt me? No but he drank too much too. We were both wrong. This kid that did what he did? He didn't get there by himself but we have to stop blaming others for our bad choices and especially that he had a reason to try to kill someone else. As far as God in this equation? He wasn't .

Taking God out of schools has absolutely nothing to do with this. I went to a Blue Ribbon public High School in a quiet suburb of Cleveland. There was never a mention of God there, and nobody...and I mean NOBODY pulled anything like this. It's so easy to say that some "lack of God" was the cause of this violence, but I say it's the lack of involvement. If his idiot mother was more attentive or indifferent school teachers were more involved with thier students, we wouldn't be reading about this right now. No matter if you believe in God, Buddha, Allah, Christopher Walken, or a shiny metal toaster, this boils down to the need for a sense of unity and respect for one another, and the need for people to be a bit more active and vigilant in the school system. Nobody at my high school acted like this because the authority was strong, and the school instilled in us a sense of pride in our surroundings and reguarded us as a community, not just individual students.Not to say everybody got along and everyone was perky and happy, but would never have dreamed of committing such atrocious acts, not only in fear of the consequences but also out of respect for our surroundings. THAT is what schools need to do to rectify and prevent this kind of tragedy.


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This has nothing to do with God. So don't go on scampering on about it, "Freedom of Religion" ring a bell.

There were obvious warning signs in this boy. Yes, sometimes someone just acts way out there, but people felt threatened and said something about it. The only thing I'm grateful for is that the boy actually gave warning before he shot. My cousin was at the school and Coon gave him and his friend three seconds to run. My cousin hit the ground, and the bullet just barely went over his head.

This is what happens when a country founded on the beliefs of god is being taken away from our schools. We cant even pray in some schools because we might offend someone from a different country and different faith. Well let me tell you america was founded by its belief in god and if your not from here and you find god offensive then move back too where you originated from. God help us all.

Why do we constantly feign shok and horror when the products of our society manifest violence with seemingly no regard t the repercussions. America is a violent coiety ow and has always been a violent society. Our very system of government and economics is based on the the concept of the individual, and the importance of social and economic advancement based on individualism. Our children are inundated from their birth with thousands of images of violence whether its through movies, televison, pc's or their gaming consoles. Because we believe economic upward mobility is our new religion, We let our tv's, dvd players, home computers and Xbox's do our babysitting, while mom and dad immerse themselves in their careers so they can pay those double mortgages they took out in order to purchase that brand new SUV. WE have stuck our heads in th esand as a whole, and crossed our fingers lieing to ourselves that somehow it will all work once we ge that next big check. Our children are are mimicing our behavior without the social, ethical, moral checks and balances that were unconsciously imbedded in our brains growing up in a different era. Our kids not only have access to unchecked channels of information, we dont have the time to monitor their consumption. Our kids are not just over eating, physically at McDonalds, they are doing it on the Information trough of the Internet and mass media. We shouldnt be shocked, we should be terrified

Why do we constantly feign shok and horror when the products of our society manifest violence with seemingly no regard t the repercussions. America is a violent coiety ow and has always been a violent society. Our very system of government and economics is based on the the concept of the individual, and the importance of social and economic advancement based on individualism. Our children are inundated from their birth with thousands of images of violence whether its through movies, televison, pc's or their gaming consoles. Because we believe economic upward mobility is our new religion, We let our tv's, dvd players, home computers and Xbox's do our babysitting, while mom and dad immerse themselves in their careers so they can pay those double mortgages they took out in order to purchase that brand new SUV. WE have stuck our heads in th esand as a whole, and crossed our fingers lieing to ourselves that somehow it will all work once we ge that next big check. Our children are are mimicing our behavior without the social, ethical, moral checks and balances that were unconsciously imbedded in our brains growing up in a different era. Our kids not only have access to unchecked channels of information, we dont have the time to monitor their consumption. Our kids are not just over eating, physically at McDonalds, they are doing it on the Information trough of the Internet and mass media. We shouldnt be shocked, we should be terrified

Why do we constantly feign shok and horror when the products of our society manifest violence with seemingly no regard t the repercussions. America is a violent coiety ow and has always been a violent society. Our very system of government and economics is based on the the concept of the individual, and the importance of social and economic advancement based on individualism. Our children are inundated from their birth with thousands of images of violence whether its through movies, televison, pc's or their gaming consoles. Because we believe economic upward mobility is our new religion, We let our tv's, dvd players, home computers and Xbox's do our babysitting, while mom and dad immerse themselves in their careers so they can pay those double mortgages they took out in order to purchase that brand new SUV. WE have stuck our heads in th esand as a whole, and crossed our fingers lieing to ourselves that somehow it will all work once we ge that next big check. Our children are are mimicing our behavior without the social, ethical, moral checks and balances that were unconsciously imbedded in our brains growing up in a different era. Our kids not only have access to unchecked channels of information, we dont have the time to monitor their consumption. Our kids are not just over eating, physically at McDonalds, they are doing it on the Information trough of the Internet and mass media. We shouldnt be shocked, we should be terrified

I am surprised that the Cleveland school shooting made the national press. After all, the big news item here in nearby Akron is the need to have Sobriety Checkpoints that catch (maybe) 3 out of 1000 drivers with anywhere close to being DUIs. Have not heard of anyone being arrested for having as many open or concealed guns in the car. After, that is legal. Probably even for a 14-year-old.

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Did anyone else notice how the other students reported that this kid walked out of a bathroom and got punched in the face right before he started shooting? That it was the whole shooting thing that horrified them, not that you could randomly walk out of a bathroom and get beaten? This incedent was horrible, any shooting is, but it's messed up that any school is ever so unsafe. And there are far worse ones, too. I went to a pleasant high school where we had maybe three fights a year. However, we had a policy that anyone caught fighting, whether they had started it or were protecting themselves, were suspended and had the police called to pick them up from school. Every school keeps acting like all kids should be nice and never have any problems, god forbid serious issues. Suspending a kid for threatening people is also a good way to make them snap. I'm not saying that nothing should be done, but as a recent HS graduate, the way schools treat students is a joke. Kind of like on Cops when the police won't listen to someone, but keep shouting at them to calm down, over and over until the person in question gets angry and does something stupid. It's not just about making guns harder to get, it's the whole way schools react to these kids. If they need help, and everyone knows it, find a way to get them help. If someone says they're worried about someone else, don't dismiss it as "stupid kids". These are the people you're prepairing for the "real world." When kids feel like they won't be heard unless they do something so drastic, we have a serious problem.

My question is if every body knew this kid needed help, then how come he did not get the help that he needed inorder to avoid this tragic end? What is wrong with the world today? How can people just sit back and do nothing when they can plainly see that trouble is brewing? I work with at risk youth and I do everything that I possibly can to make sure these kids get the help that they need. One of the most frustrating things when dealing with these kids is their ignorant parents. It amazes me that a parent can sit in my office and tell me that their kid does not have a problem because he was caught with weed in his back pack. We cannot force people to get help, but I just wish people would stop acting like the problem will go away or make it self better if we just ignore the problem. Wake up people, our kids are suffering and we are not doing all we can do to help them. Heck if it was not for the bull crap that we have passed onto them they would not be in such bad shape in the first place. Anyway my heart goes out to all the people who where affected by this tragic event.

My question is if every body knew this kid needed help, then how come he did not get the help that he needed inorder to avoid this tragic end? What is wrong with the world today? How can people just sit back and do nothing when they can plainly see that trouble is brewing? I work with at risk youth and I do everything that I possibly can to make sure these kids get the help that they need. One of the most frustrating things when dealing with these kids is their ignorant parents. It amazes me that a parent can sit in my office and tell me that their kid does not have a problem because he was caught with weed in his back pack. We cannot force people to get help, but I just wish people would stop acting like the problem will go away or make it self better if we just ignore the problem. Wake up people, our kids are suffering and we are not doing all we can do to help them. Heck if it was not for the bull crap that we have passed onto them they would not be in such bad shape in the first place. Anyway my heart goes out to all the people who where affected by this tragic event.