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  • Posted By: J. Mark Brinkman @ 10/16/2007 9:14:32 PM

    Until liberal teachers and Dr's admit the REAL problem is NOT the GUN ,but the system allowing kids to hold their parents hostage in the home where the parent is no longer allowed to use corporal punishment VERY EARLY in the childs life for fear of jail time; these assaults will continue to happen. As far as the Dr's comment conserning guns goes; I will turn my guns in five years after he, and every other gun grabber in the U.S. posts signs in all windows and external doors of the home which read " THIS HOUSE IS A GUN FREE ZONE - AND WE FEEL SAFER BECAUSE OF IT" I have served my country in several ways, all involving guns.
    I HAVE been Shot AT by a drug induced pusher on his own merchandise; It wasn't fun. I had called 911 over 20 minutes before I was fired upon but the cops refused to come until after he had fled the scene. And, yes, I could have legally shot and killed the man on 2 different occasions before he shot at me ; I chose not to do so, although looking back I realize society would have been much safer had I done so. I believe in the concealed carry laws being passed all over America and yes I do carry , with the required permit; every time I walk out of my home. Dial 911 and DIE! J. Mark Brinkman, Terre Haute, IN

  • Posted By: mysteriarn @ 10/16/2007 7:48:56 PM

    I feel that a big part of the problem is the media. Every time there is a school shooting it is smeared all through the media outlets. This gives these kids want they want.....Glory and to have there name known. Other kids see this and realize that they can give their names a meaning and forever be remembered in history. Also if the school knew this kid was troubled then they were obligated to report these things to children and youth services. The system failed all of these kids and the media has failed them as well. The media outlets need to realize what they are doing. Don't give them national attention. All you are doing is setting up the next school shootings. All of the shootings that I have read about are of troubled kids who were not popular. They want to go down in infamy and the media gives them that.

  • Posted By: mysteriarn @ 10/16/2007 7:37:09 PM

    I think a lot of the problem is the media as well. Everytime there is a school shooting the media gives them what they wanted......... instant fame. Fame is not always from a positive event. Other troubled and oftenunpopular kids see this and feel that following the lead of shooters in the past that their name will be remembered. They are often seeking glory. If the school knew that this child was troubled then it was their responsibility to get him help! I am disgusted at the media in many siruations but glorifying killers is equal to putting the idea and the gun in the hands of the next killer. I say WAKE UP MEDIA PERSONNEL! STOP CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Sgreene @ 10/16/2007 6:33:34 PM

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  • Posted By: Anakin @ 10/16/2007 5:42:42 PM

    Where are the parents? Discipline and the knowledge of what's right and wrong originates from the home and church. As a country, we're so afraid to say or do anything that might upset a child or young adult for fear of reprisal. Since when did parents become afraid of their own children? The young adults and children that we fail to set straight now, will inevitably cause us great pain in the future.

  • Posted By: VetNutt @ 10/16/2007 3:52:03 PM

    We place too much on teacher's these days. They need to teach, and be social workers, care takeers etc. Yes, they are aware of certain situations, but they can only do so much. Where it needs to start is in your home, and with your neighborhood and community. We are too concerned about not getting too involved, but when that happens, we have a disconnect. The children and the family needed help, but who followed up? The social service agency involved with this family dropped the ball, they did not follow through. If the neighbor's saw something, why did they not call authorities? If we see someone hurt, do we let them lie there? No, we call for help, same with this family, if someone saw the difficulties with the family, why did they not call? It is so easy to balme the other people, but if we do not step in, and show that we care about our children and families, we will see more of this. We are all responsible for our community-get involved!

  • Posted By: VetNutt @ 10/16/2007 3:46:08 PM

    The fault does not lie in the hands of teacher's or school administrators, the problem is the boys environment at home. If he was removed due to the circumstances at home, the social services program did not follow through. Neighbors, community members need to get their concerns to the right people. Far too often, we fail to say anything, or call authorities because of fear. You and I are all part of communities, we need to get involved, too many times we think it is someone else who needs to get involved, and then the children are left to their own accord, and living what they see in their homes. Please, if you see someone who may need help, step in and make the call, or show concern. We need to be more connected to our neighbors, family, community to help alleviate this situation form getting ourt of hand.

  • Posted By: picturepocket @ 10/16/2007 3:39:30 PM

    Its easy to blame teachers, but they are part of the solution not the problem. They are giving their lives to help as many students as they can, but they are teachers not supermen. More people need to step up to the plate. The Big Brothers Big Sisters organization always has more troubled kids than adults who can be positive role models for them. Busy people don't have time point fingers.

  • Posted By: picturepocket @ 10/16/2007 2:51:39 PM

    Please don't go around blaming teachers for society's problems. They are working as hard as they can to help as many students as they can, but the problems are too many for them. More people in society need to step up to the plate. The Big Brothers Big Sisters organization is always short on adults who can offer positive examples to troubled boys and girls. Busy hands don't have time to point fingers.

  • Posted By: sbrown18 @ 10/16/2007 2:43:39 PM

    The problem isn't the guns it was the teachers. They should have had more faith in the student. They cant always pass a troubled kid off to someone else they should of tried to help him and understand why he felt the way he felt.

  • Posted By: sbrown18 @ 10/16/2007 2:41:44 PM

    I think that we should reach out an d help the students that are in need of our help. We need to show them that they are loved and cared for by all their teachers and that no matter what they do that they have people to talk to and help them through what ever problem they have.

  • Posted By: nikpooh76 @ 10/16/2007 1:41:09 PM

    Why is it that when a tragedy like this occurs, people always say things like, "I knew he was troubled; it doesn't surprise me, or I could tell something was wrong". My question to people like that would be, if you truly knew, why didn't you do something to help maybe prevent it? Somehow I think the responsibility falls upon the people who say, "I knew" and did nothing.

  • Posted By: numbers123 @ 10/16/2007 6:55:22 AM

    You people all amaze me, is everything a racial conspiracy? I heard from the start it was a white student. Guns in schools are not a new problem. In 1972 my father a guidance consoler at the time wrestled a gun away form a kid. That story didn't make the news because no one was killed. Through out the years my father has taken various types of weapons form kids. The issues come from families and attitudes. We don't let kids learn to fail growing up, so when they do socially or in life they don't know how to deal with. You have parents who blame the teachers when the kids act up in class, instead of the kid acting up. Friend of mine is a teacher and football coach. One of his players came to weightlifting stoned he called the parents, and the parents answer was "we told him not to get stoned before practice". This is not an uncommon happening. It isn't my kid syndrome has handcuffed any one who wants to help kids with trouble. People don't want to get involved in helping there neighbors, because there efforts are not recognized or "some one else will do it" We need to stand up and take responsibility. We shape society, it doesn't shape us.

    • Posted By: enuffisenuff @ 10/16/2007 1:13:32 PM

      I am in complete agreement with the statement made by numbers123. It is the attitudes of the families that these children are growing up in. Alot of parents dont let their children see failure but rather protect them from it. The other major issue is that the "politically correct society" feels the discipline, the majority of us received growing up, is abuse and its not. They have taken away our ability to EFFECTIVELY discipline our children and refuse to acknowledge that "time out" does not work. What happened to the days where the entire community took part in raising each others children? We, as a whole, have let our children down and because of this we will reap the precautions of it later in life.

  • Posted By: chw26 @ 10/16/2007 12:40:12 PM

    Dun Ross: The problem is not guns. Take for example the area where you live - you can walk at night without fear...apparently because of no guns? What about knives? Did they take those away too? Of course not, so why aren't people over there getting knifed? The problem is obviously something other than guns.

    And why the hell does everything usually come down to race? Perhaps, just perhaps, it was a white gun man and the picture was simply showing the greaving of a fellow student? It is pathetic how the very same people dreaming up these racial "conspiracy's" are the same ones crying for the "what man to stop hating on the black".

  • Posted By: lynn042b @ 10/16/2007 11:26:17 AM

    There are so many troubled kids/youths in this world today and the problem is: Instead of trying to help and understand these kids they get pushed aside and ridiculed. What ever happened to knot being judgemental and getting to know and understand people and their differences? The children that have these problems can only be helped when they trust enough to open up and they will not and cannot do that when they are the constant target of ridicule.

  • Posted By: amyfite @ 10/16/2007 11:08:42 AM

    When will the parents be help some what accountable. I know as a parent you can't be with your children all the time, but if the teachers could see that he had problems, why couldn't the mother. They said they had evidence that the boy had been mistreated before, and lived in foul accomodations, why was this so called mother given the opportunity to continue caring for this child. She should be help accountable in one way or another.

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