Rowling Says Dumbledore Is Gay

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  • Posted By: riverbend @ 10/30/2007 9:40:00 PM

    Look, I understand Shadow_Ace's comment, and really we should move on, but really, slamming faith is just another Faith vs. Science debate. Yes, the maximum number of religions that could possibly be correct is 1 and perhaps they all are incorrect. However, the same could be said about science, because, before quantum theory, scientists thought they had cracked the major mysteries, yet when it came along it completely turned their view of the world upside down. And even if you point out that science is fact, whereas religion is "fiction", there is still the philosophical arguement to be made that nothing can be proven except one's self existance (I think therefore I am) and also that any data cannot be conclusive, because you can never be absolutely precise.

    Those points aside, for most of us realize the value of science, I think you should read Thomas Jeffereson's The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazereth (it may be Jesus Christ, I don't remember so well). Jefferson took the Bible and removed any reference to heavenly intervention, miracles, ect., leaving just the moral philosophy. It provides an interesting view, that people of all faiths (and those without) should seek with their own religion (and others).

    This point is especially true with athiests, because, while science is most definately important, it doesn't teach us to be human. There is no way to quantify ethics, to decide right and wrong, but anyone who says there is no right or wrong, simply Darwinian survival needs to take a trip to a slaughter house. Yes, the strong are meant to thrive, but we are human, we can rise above the simple and shortsighted "survival of the fittest" idea. Or at least we may try for a more perfect world.

    And now I go to do my homework. I am still a student, in a public highschool. If you disagree with me, perhaps you should have taught me better.

  • Posted By: Shadow_Ace @ 10/30/2007 5:01:51 PM

    This is all very amusing to me. People slamming one fictional character over him being gay, with the words from another fictional character from one of the most discussed works of fiction of all time. The bible. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the unedited version of the bible had god outing himself at the end.
    Does it affect anyone if Dumbledore is gay? No. Did he do unspeakable crimes against man? Nope. Did he kill millions of people by flooding the planet? Nope. Condone stoning children when they were out of line? Again, no. Did he kill children? Hmmm. Nope.
    So, who is the one fictional character of these two that you would most look up to?
    At least Harry Potter books are interesting and generally have positive messages.
    What does the bible offer? Hatred. Bigotry. Revenge. Bah!

    It's all silly to me. Quote from the bible. Who cares. I'll quote from Potter or Dan Brown if you want to quote fiction. I'll quote from Hawking or Randi if you want factual.

    How does "Know" translate to "have sex with"? Aside from the fact that the whole book is BS, it's translated incorrectly to "assume" certain words have different meanings from that time.

    It's all silly. Let's move on from this.


  • Posted By: angiicarean @ 10/30/2007 4:54:55 PM

    I'm mostly disappointed in the people here who see Dumbledore to be any more or less of a great man and great wizard based on his sexual preference. This comment is addressed to them. No one is offended that Harry likes girls. I'm straight cause I'm a girl and I'm attracted to guys....it doesn't change any other part of my life other than who stirs the chemistry inside of me and who makes my heart sing. There are great men and women and crappy men in women in every race, religion and sexual preference...so...it's not about that either. Really..if you can love someone all these years...fiction or otherwise, respect the writer and adore her and then turn your back on either of them because the guy fell in love with a guy....I suspect most people lie to you and you know the truth about little. It's best to tell you what you wanna hear, what you can handle and what keeps your dream world all tidy. Who would tell you the truth based on your inability to love and accept people for who they are. I wish I were more surprised by human behavior.

  • Posted By: unlonelygirl15 @ 10/30/2007 2:15:35 AM

    More news on Dumbledore, ex-lover confesses all:
    http://one.revver.com/watch/459258/flv/affiliate/118943

  • Posted By: unlonelygirl15 @ 10/30/2007 2:09:54 AM

    There's even more: dumbledore's ex-lover confesses all:
    http://one.revver.com/watch/459258/flv/affiliate/118943

  • Posted By: t.w.miracle @ 10/19/2007 11:39:16 PM

    albus/gellert slash, here we come! [and "unrequited" my ***. now we all know why neither of them died when they dueled (either when arianna died, or when albus won the elder wand from grindelwald and got him locked in prison), and why gellert didn't betray albus to voldemort.]

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 2:08:34 PM

      Also why Dumbledore locked Grindlewald up in a secluded place only Dumbledore himself had access to. It's all coming together....

  • Posted By: bdartt @ 10/19/2007 11:51:32 PM

    keithbrown: So, your three copies are headed for the trash... why? You liked the books and the character when you read the story. Yet now, because it turns out the character was gay IN THE MIND OF THE AUTHOR, it some how ruins the entire story. Someone you loved, you now hate... for no other reason than the discovery of a fact that does not change, in any way, who that person was to begin with. Do you not see the problem with this?

    You hate and fear ideas that don't fit into your ideaology, so much so, that your willing to literally throw out something (or someone) that you once loved because of those ideas. That, my friend, is a travesty.

    You may not think it's a travesty; You know in your heart that homosexuality is wrong because the Bible says it. But let me leave you with food for thought... Would you stone your wife to death if she cheated on you? Because the Bible says you should.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 2:06:25 PM

      Damn right, the b*%ch had it coming!

  • Posted By: sindris @ 10/20/2007 12:22:06 AM

    omg the entire harry potter series is so realistic and easy to believe that i refuse to believe otherwise. i know witches and wizards and magic are real. I can feel them all around me. i think i may hold some magical powers because i don't think i'm like everyone else. I'm different. i haven't any money, i live with my aunt because my parents died when i was a child. as i read the series, it all seemed so familiar to me. i knew at once that i was not alone, and i can only wait for the day that my "hagrid" will come to rescue. it's not that i don't like my life here, it's just that i feel as though i was meant for a greater purpose. my initials are AB abnd one day, everyone will realize that magic is real. that harry's world is not made up

    • Posted By: RemusLupin @ 10/23/2007 4:06:02 AM

      TO SINDRIS
      Wow! It's so touching what you are saying here! Really! Though I'm not in the same situation as you, when I first read the books, I all the time waited for the owl to knock on my window!
      But there IS something that can be interesting for you, if you want:
      www.kabbalah.info

      • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 2:05:12 PM

        OOh! I totally wanna learn how to be omniscient like the 'Original Creator!'

  • Posted By: the_ange @ 10/20/2007 3:27:00 AM

    As a writer, myself, I believe that the writer should do whatever they want with the character. The character's are the writer's creative property. If they want to kill a character, they kill them. If they want to make a character gay, then it's the author's right. I'm sorry, but JK Rowling is a very talented writer, and she's created a whole new world for people to explore. She should be able to think whatever the hell she wants of her charcaters.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:40:55 PM

      Totally. Just like I keep Snape alive in my fanfiction pairing him off with other men. Mmm, snarky bastard.

  • Posted By: Izual @ 10/20/2007 1:47:18 PM

    I am shocked and appaled. After hearing this news, my 7 year old son (who's faveourite character was Dumbledore) has decided he wants to be gay. Thanks alot JK.

    • Posted By: vs100 @ 10/21/2007 11:12:52 AM

      i can only imagine how many people in your life talk about what an idiot you are behind your back.

      • Posted By: Izual @ 10/21/2007 9:01:29 PM

        LOL UR A *** FACE

        • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:32:06 PM

          How old are you? I've seen a lot of younger parents nowadays, and I was just curious as it seems rather unlikely that the average, college educated female would have such poor writing skills. Without all of the grammatical and punctuational errors in your first message, your response to vs100 would have been far more entertaining.

  • Posted By: _daytripper @ 10/20/2007 3:03:25 PM

    Dumbledore being gay is absolutely ridiculous and quite sad. Such a statement was entirely unnecessary, and seems to be a ploy at backward politcal correctness.
    "Oh, you see?! There's been a homosexual in the mix all along!"
    Dumbledore's character has been looked up to by young readers since the beginning of the series. Being homosexual, is NOTHING to look up to.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:29:08 PM

      No, wearing a brick on your head while badly singing Broadway smash hits, naked, and dancing in the rain in a Wisconsin winter is 'absolutely ridiculous and sad' and it 'NOTHING to look up to.'

  • Posted By: avalonwomon @ 10/20/2007 4:54:40 PM

    There's never been a single shred of evidence, eh? I guess you never heard of subtext. Like real life, there's always someone you know...that you probably never suspected...who's gay. Many of us choose to remain closeted around the homophobes and bigots that we know because the reaction is, ironically, similar to the reactions here.

  • Posted By: Liasis @ 10/20/2007 5:24:22 PM

    Im not surprised the line in DH "Im so lucky to have you Severus" struck me as very odd....this just prooves that DD made that 'deal with the evil' with Severus to keep Sev near him cus he wouldn't get another partner. You know that Severus would have left after the 1st year teaching Potter had he not made that deal with Dumbledore......Too bad really, it also makes you wonder why he was so close to Harry, thats a bit disturbing.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:22:21 PM

      OMG! I love you forever!

  • Posted By: unowen @ 10/20/2007 6:17:56 PM

    Funny how witches, warlock, gays, transvestites, diviners, mediums, psychics, corporate execs, politicians, writers, pornographers, etc. can bash Christians and make excuses for their lifestyles and that's considered acceptable. If Christians stand up for their beliefs everyone resorts to calling them hate mongers. Jesus never told Christians to hate people but to hate sin and all the lifestyles above and others are full of sin.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:19:36 PM

      I for one found Tim Curry rather fetching in a corset and 'omg, my eyes!' red lipstick.

    • Posted By: Harveydoo @ 10/23/2007 1:40:02 PM

      Read your own Bible, dumbass. Jesus never said the things you attributed to him, and even if he did, who cares? I don't. And since I don't give a damn what Jesus said or didn't say, please quit telling me. Try an independent thought once in a while. It won't kill you - I swear.

  • Posted By: Empress @ 10/20/2007 7:54:39 PM

    Being gay is SO boring! Such an old subject...Who really cares anymore? Can??t we move onto a subject that might matter and make a difference? Instead of this sex preference monotony? Every gay guy thinks everyone is gay anyway...makes them all feel more normal in this whacked out society! And, of course, "homophobics"..."Though protestest too much"...so, what does that tell yah?

    Gay isn??t genetic, it??s environmental. Mostly because of strong mothers and absenty fathers....or alcoholic -abusive fathers - probably like poor Mr. Wizard??s family here! Let the gays get over defending their gayness...who really cares? Can??t we move on to something that actually means something? Something that would make this world a better place? Rather than caring about purple robes, costumes or wizards? WHO CARES?

    • Posted By: Silver_Queen @ 10/21/2007 2:55:36 AM

      I agree to an extent with Empress. The homosexuality debate is so five minutes ago. I say we all start supporting equal rights for incestuous couples instead.

      • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:16:33 PM

        I love comments like this! It totally breaks up the monotony of biased, over-heated comments. I'm under enough stress as it is without adding this kind of heated and controversial topic to it.

  • Posted By: Tindomiel @ 10/20/2007 7:55:14 PM

    I'm a little disappointed with the reactions to this. Dumbledore being gay is no more or less a publicity stunt than announcing that Neville gets hitched to Hannah Abbott. And obviously this won't cause a bunch of little kids to "decide" to be gay. Firstly, just because you respect a role model doesn't require you to emulate him or her and secondly, because you can't choose your sexuality in the first place.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:14:27 PM

      Are you sure because, even though I have an appreciation for the feminine form, I absolutely could not be a *** simply because women vex me and piss me off to no end. At least I can understand where men come from most of the time. So, really, I think it is possible to choose your sexually. As I do not have concrete proof either way, I'm open for other opinions.

  • Posted By: Sinjid777 @ 10/20/2007 9:51:34 PM

    I for one don't think Dumbledore is gay. I think that the author, J.K. Rowling is an idoit looking for publicity and that all Dumbldore did was make plans for a new government with Grindlevauld. Also, this is for skindthunderbomb, CATS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!! They are soulless and thus, cannot think, they were probably just itchy and couldn't rub their itchy spot! Anyhow, Dumbldore went through a rough patch, maybe experimented with homosexuallity and then went back to being straight. It is severel months since the book that JK revealed this so I beleive she just did this for publicity. she essentially ruined a great series because she wants to be on the spotlight.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:12:01 PM

      Sorry for commenting on this bit, but animals have no souls?! I love my pets dearly and as naive as it sounds, would like to think that there is a place for my little critters after death. Although, if you have concrete proof that animals are soulless, as women were once thought to be, then I'd love to see it.

    • Posted By: Saffiepoosterdo @ 10/21/2007 5:21:46 PM

      For publicity??? First of all, she didn't plan on revealing it. Someone asked, and she answered with her opinion. Seciond, she wouldn't NEED publicity! Her book already outsold the Bible,a nd is the only book to havce done so!!!

      • Posted By: schoolstocker @ 10/21/2007 9:58:02 PM

        ..dumbledore has been a character OF HER MIND for many years ,, who the hech are you to say No its her book its her idea ,, and her own mind to speak no one show care anymore about homosexuality everyone has free will and writes to say that its for publisity is like saying some one who has been in the "closet" (sorry for reference) and coming out is just for attention whats wrong with these ppl

  • Posted By: binary @ 10/21/2007 5:17:13 PM

    I don't understand why Dumbledore needed to be sexualized. I didn't think that's what these stories were about. It wasn't a point that needed to be brought forward. It definitely didn't do anything to enhance the story. The only point I see in stating his sexual preference is to stir up trouble. Read these posts. She succeeded in that. I've read quite a few threats and name calling in this post. Come on now people.

    • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 1:00:34 PM

      I completely agree. On that note, I also feel that the heterosexual relationships were distracting in the extreme. It's probably just because I don't like her characterization of some of them, but whatever.

  • Posted By: az2598 @ 10/21/2007 7:43:39 PM

    outsold the bible, lol.

    As of April 2007, the first six books in the seven book series have sold more than 325 million copies (Wikipedia). Well I guess that only means her 7th book has to sell 1.7 billion copies, right? She's getting there.
    WWel

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    • Posted By: phaerelastra @ 10/24/2007 9:53:51 AM

      Absolutely true, however, to date the Bible has sold approximately 6 billion copies worldwide since the 18th century. Not bad, considering the numbers are hard to figure and not everyone had money to eat back then, let alone money to purchase a Bible made of PAPER, which was very expensive back then. So yeah, she's got a few billion more copies to sell...the Bible is the best-selling Book of all time. Must have some truth to it then, huh? The words of 6 billion people shout louder than the voices of the few who say He doesn't exist or that the Bible is "just a bunch of stories". Yeah, it's a bunch of stories...and they're non-fiction, not fiction like JKR's books.

      • Posted By: *giggle* @ 10/29/2007 12:57:54 PM

        Technically the Bible is just a bunch of stories in that they provide a moral lesson and tell about God and His love and mercy, but everything else you said about the Bible is probably right. I should probably go and actually read it now, ne?

  • Posted By: pele0822 @ 10/21/2007 7:50:52 PM

    'binary', perhaps you answered your own question perhaps without realizing it - characterizing Dumbledore as gay is no more (or less) sexualized than indicating that Neville Longbottom later married Hannah Abbott. It's interesting that when we look at the marriage between a man and woman, generally it is not contextualized in terms of either individual's sexuality. Yet, to say that Dumbledore is gay is deemed a sexualization of sorts. Really, gay and sex are not synonymous any more than happy and sex are analagous. The word 'homosexual' did not even exist until the year 1859 and it wasn't because gay people didn't exist before then. It just wasn't demonized until the opposing term, 'normalsexual' was inappropriately coined (by the same researcher in 1859) for the purposes of classification. In the words of the great Shakespeare, "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

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