Narcissists in Neverland

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  • Posted By: sunlitx @ 10/16/2007 11:44:38 PM

    I'm on the younger end (23) and I want to live on my own with a job... But they don't mention that the workforce is becoming increasingly demanding. Jobs in the past that needed B.A.s now want M.A.'s and five years work experience. WHERE I AM GOING TO GET IT IF YOU DON'T HIRE ME? I can't get a job at starbucks because I have a prestigious degree. I can't get a job at a reputable company because I have limited experience. HELP!

    • Posted By: rdaffron @ 10/17/2007 6:31:26 AM

      "I'm on the younger end (23) and I want to live on my own with a job... But they don't mention that the workforce is becoming increasingly demanding. Jobs in the past that needed B.A.s now want M.A.'s and five years work experience. WHERE I AM GOING TO GET IT IF YOU DON'T HIRE ME? I can't get a job at starbucks because I have a prestigious degree. I can't get a job at a reputable company because I have limited experience. HELP!"

      I faced exactly the same scenario 30 years ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Welcome to the real world!!! You cannot start at the top, you have to start at the bottom and work, yes - WORK, yourself up. Apparently your degree was in something that wasn't exactly useful. Or you may have to move somewhere else to make use of it. Not every college degree is marketable. You just may have to go back to school. IOW, you do what you have to do to get where you want to be.

      • Posted By: berat1234 @ 10/17/2007 9:38:58 AM

        "You cannot start at the top, you have to start at the bottom and work, yes - WORK, yourself up."

        You, sir or madam, obviously completely misunderstood sunlitx's point. Gen-Yers CAN'T get jobs in order to work our ways up. We get stuck in lousy jobs because six months after we graduate college, we have to start paying back our loans. It's not our unrealistic expectations. We can't even get our FEET in the door, let alone work our ways up.

        Additionally, you and the rest of your generation continue to belittle ours because we dare to dream. It was YOUR generation and those immediately older than you who bought into the JFK dreams. It was YOUR generation who began living out the American Dream. Now, you want US to accept that just because YOU failed to achieve it, we're going to as well. That's cynicism, not unrealism.

  • Posted By: dnagirl @ 10/17/2007 9:14:25 AM

    I feel this article is a premature assessment of a misunderstood generation. I didn't realize that money was the only thing important to GenX. I'll be sure NOT to relay the message "You can be whoever you want to be" to my own children.

  • Posted By: dnagirl @ 10/17/2007 9:12:52 AM

    I just have to say as a recent college graduate at the age of 23, this article seems like an unfounded attack on a misunderstood generation. Take into consideration the current job market, costs of owning a home, and the increasing cost of a college education which is this age is not a bonus to the resume, it's a necessity. With all of these things heavily weighing down on GenY, it's going to take us until the age of 30 to get it all together immediately. Since the oldest of GenY is reaching 30 currently, I feel the situation is being assessed prematurely.

    I agree with the comment by rdaffron which says you have to work your way up. That's what our parents did, and their parents before that. I also know for a fact that my parents had help from their parents, and I refuse to believe that Gen Y is any different.

    If the case is that the statement we're all told when we're younger, "You can be anything you want to be" isn't true, then maybe it's time we change our way of thinking and emphasize the importance of wealth. Apparently that is the most important thing. Our mistakes.

  • Posted By: one80group @ 10/17/2007 9:10:04 AM

    I find this article very inetresting. I am a GEN-X 36 years old and a high achiever and feel that I want to be more like a generations Y. I constantly battle with babyboomers at work who dont want to do anything different and are scared to let go of control. I have been sold into all the things that we need through constant bombardment of advertising. I love my wife and son more than anything in the world and want to chunk most of the other chains around my next, like homes, cars, and all of that to explore the world and meet and help new people. Something I did while I was younger but only while I was doing the right thing of finishing college, and developing a career.

  • Posted By: Kushluk @ 10/17/2007 9:07:48 AM

    I'm reading this at my full time job whilst I go to full time college. I work precisely _becuase_ I want to be able to do what I want. Your article is sort of a laugh. Perhaps the generation has changed, but a much smarter observation would be that the undergirding economic state of a the modern enconomy has changed in such a way that the social structure is changing with it.

  • Posted By: rdaffron @ 10/17/2007 6:21:30 AM

    Comment: "In most cultures, kids do stay at home until they're married, often well into their 30s, so maybe that's "the way it's supposed to work." If you love your daughter and she's able to work and not be in debt, why would you force her out of the house? Chances are, she'd want to leave at a certain age anyway, but wouldn't you want to give her the comfort of knowing she can fall back on something if things go wrong?"

    If a "child" is still home at 30, there is something definitely wrong. If they can't cut the apron strings by/before then, then a prospectiive spouse needs to run the other way....QUICK!

    My daughter knows we'll always be here if she needs us. However, she also has enough self pride and self esteem to know that she has absolutely no business living at home after she's graduated from college. Too many "kids" have never been allowed to do for themselves and have never been taught self reliance. They need to get off their proverbial behinds and get out into the world, not be a leech on mom and dad because they're too lazy to grow up.

  • Posted By: rrossiter @ 10/17/2007 3:13:57 AM

    The Baby Boomers have built up weatlh, bought second homes, shrinking the supply, driving up the price. Gen X either had to pay amazing sums to those Boomers or the Boomers parents or facethe thought of living at home at 40. o now the boomers have ineherited more then any generation ever, at the same time they have goughed the X'ers who are now in debt up to the eyeballs of their roomatewho is standing on their shoulders. The Y generation has to throw up their hands thinkging they will never afford a house and don't want the debt the X'ers have so why not rent or stay home and not worry about money. The X'ers got screwed, our parents generation got the inheritance from the penny pinching generation before them and the X'ers money from the houseing.... and.. to make so many mothers out there happy, they get to sit on their fat cash a lecture the CX Generation about how foolish we are being in so much debt. Nice.

  • Posted By: aaron17 @ 10/17/2007 1:01:27 AM

    Mr. Gecko, oops I mean Ms. Vencat. Let me get this straight, young people seeking self-fulfillment and enlightenment is bad. The horror of these young people joining the Peace Corp. or volunteering their time at an inner-city school, or joining environmental or political movements. Pretty narcissistic aren't they?

  • Posted By: gwenivere @ 10/17/2007 12:36:28 AM

    Please distinguish between humanitarian work and "screwing around," between youth facing unattainable housing prices in a drastically increasing western wealth gap and incompetent "narcissists in neverland." My friends aren't tickled by their inability to afford health insurance, nor are their parents are handing out cash for their children's pleasure-cruises as your hyperbole suggests. They do, however, value passion over money, and by golly if you Baby Boomers think differently how 'bout you write an article called "Middle-aged Misers?" Here's a question for ya: do you think we WANT to be living with our parents?

  • Posted By: Existentialist187 @ 10/16/2007 11:52:11 PM

    Yeah, somebody needs to tell Emily Flynn Vencat, that being this article more highlights her (or his, because my generation actually cares about fighting gender stereotyping and money-oriented success and all that crap) inability to understand gen-Yers than it does explain any kind of reality. I work hard every day, like all of my 20 year old friends, and we still have lost hope that growing up doesn't mean giving up or giving in to this sadistic system like Emily Flynn Vencat obviously did.

  • Posted By: SmallPenguin @ 10/16/2007 11:39:31 PM

    Wait a second: I'm a Gen-Yer who has consciously made the decision to stay at my parents house following college graduation because I want to be able to have the ability and cause to save money for a nest-egg in the future. That I want to ensure that I am able to own both a great house and a great car comfortably is my reasoning for choosing not to "go out into the real world." As it is, I do work a "real" job on top of my academic and university-related extracurricular activities - and, yes, I simultaneously understand the value of money and volunteer-ism in today's world. But I'm also able to prioritize.

    Give me a break, people. We don't all have our head in the clouds.

  • Posted By: Crinklytoes @ 10/16/2007 11:35:38 PM

    a similar article appeared in 1989's Time Magazine about Generation X, thereby meaning it is the same complaint issued generation after generation ...

  • Posted By: Steveo @ 10/16/2007 11:34:05 PM

    Oh by the way, I'm at work right now at 11:36 pm and I started working at 10 am.

  • Posted By: April84 @ 10/16/2007 10:18:27 PM

    It's not just the living at home stuff this generation has a problem with. Many of them , but not all, have kids, them dump them on their parents because they are not finshed with their partying. I have seen this time and time again, where women who have already spent 25 years raising their own kids, and have their
    own 8-5 jobs, have to babysit three nights a week. I think there is a false sense
    of security that some of these people have, that there parents are going to be around forever. They won't, trust me. Mine were both gone by the time I was 22 years old

    • Posted By: nadine07 @ 10/16/2007 11:31:32 PM

      I don't think these are the people the article was referring to at all. Quite the opposite, they're referring to people who postpone having kids and try to pursue bigger goals than an 8-5 desk job. They're not talking about whoever it is that gave you the chip on your shoulder.

  • Posted By: Steveo @ 10/16/2007 11:29:53 PM

    Why write this article? What good is there in polarizing the generation gap even more? I think any argument such as this should be precluded with a statement, "remember that Baby Boomers are your parents and that Gen Y'ers are your children." That being said, this argument isn't new or creative. It says nothing about individuals in either generation set and is therefore just a generalization of prejudice. GenY'ers are some of the most interesting AND accomplished people I've run into (I'm 30 so I fall into GenX/Y I guess). It's rare that you see someone in their 20s put price before principle and that is a hard road and it should be lauded instead of derided.

    Furthermore the assertion that most people in their 20s are unaccomplished is false in my experience. All my friends from high school and college have advanced degrees for the most part. Most of them own their own homes and many have children they raise on their own without their parents helping if you can force yourself to consider that.

    I've started to stray off my original point though which is just that these kinds of arguments only widen the generation gap instead of seeking to meet it. Baby Boomers might be surprised at the ingenuity and resourcefulness that years of volunteering and internships bring. Most of the time, those volunteer programs and internships that people gawk at as irresponsible behavior are methods to fatten up a resume so we can compete with people who have more experience. Try to be nicer to your junior collegues, you'll make more money by retaining them and looking at a problem in a different way.

  • Posted By: j_morales @ 10/16/2007 11:22:09 PM

    I think I just read another newsweek article about money not buying happiness??! So what is so bad about wanting to find happiness in your job instead of high $$'s? Gen-Yers parents raised them to feel comfortable about making these kinds of decisions and obviously are supporting them. It's their decision as parents to do so...So why is anybody questioning their parenting?

  • Posted By: rg_2323 @ 10/16/2007 11:21:07 PM

    If one is 21 or older, they should be embarrassed for mooching off their parents, in college or not. Get off your ass and work. I joined the military at 18 and have been on my own for 10 yrs. I have no respect for lazy 20 somethings living in a dreamland.

  • Posted By: leahkolbe @ 10/16/2007 11:18:33 PM

    I came out of school with an Engineering degree and did what I was 'supposed' to do. I got a job at a manufacturing facility where I worked 50-60 hours a week. I got my own place and supported myself. But I couldn't stand it! I was luckily able to save up enough money to quit and live off my savings. Now I spend my days volunteering for local charities. I would rather be unemployed than stay at a crap job. Does that make me a bad person? This article says it does. Why do Gen Y'ers have to conform to the Baby Boomer standards? If enough Gen Y'ers do things differently, if enough of us ask why we need to be a slave to our jobs, then society will have to adapt. And to me, Gen Y'ers have got the right idea.

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