Dream House or Nightmare?

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  • Posted By: giggsy @ 10/19/2007 10:27:00 AM

    I think i'm actually offended by this story. I can't fathom what the purpose is. Roger built a house as a home a long term investment. There is dip in the market but long term it will go up so where's the problem. In 1999 we plowed money into a unit trust for my daughter. A few months later the market crashed and our money was half the value. We continued investing in it because it was long term and only now are we seeing a profit. How is that any different.
    If you want to write a story to show people the perils about homebuying in 2005, write about someone who has lost everything, not someone who has suffered a depreciation in paper wealth.

  • Posted By: giggsy @ 10/19/2007 10:26:19 AM

    I think i'm actually offended by this story. I can't fathom what the purpose is. Roger built a house as a home a long term investment. There is dip in the market but long term it will go up so where's the problem. In 1999 we plowed money into a unit trust for my daughter. A few months later the market crashed and our money was half the value. We continued investing in it because it was long term and only now are we seeing a profit. How is that any different.
    If you want to write a story to show people the perils about homebuying in 2005, write about someone who has lost everything, not someone who has suffered a depreciation in paper wealth.

  • Posted By: giggsy @ 10/19/2007 10:25:50 AM

    I think i'm actually offended by this story. I can't fathom what the purpose is. Roger built a house as a home a long term investment. There is dip in the market but long term it will go up so where's the problem. In 1999 we plowed money into a unit trust for my daughter. A few months later the market crashed and our money was half the value. We continued investing in it because it was long term and only now are we seeing a profit. How is that any different.
    If you want to write a story to show people the perils about homebuying in 2005, write about someone who has lost everything, not someone who has suffered a depreciation in paper wealth.

  • Posted By: jjjjjjjames @ 10/19/2007 7:56:09 AM

    Gee that's a real shame. Why just yesterday, I spoke with a homeless man complaining about the box he lived in had lost value, too. Sad isn???t it. Not to mention I have a three bedroom house and four children and no extra space to change my mind- let alone my pants without bumping into someone. I???m so sorry to hear he spent all that inheritance on that large house and is now disappointed with the results. Tell you what, Mr. Elliot, if you want, I???ll bite the bullet and swap houses with you. You can come live in South-East Pennsylvania and I???ll bear the anguish of warm sunny Florida. Of course, I don???t have Uncle Charlie???s inheritance to fall back on for the taxes either, but I???m sure I???ll make do. Let me know, Roger. Respectfully, James ...jjjjjjjames at hotmail dot com

  • Posted By: jjjjjjjames @ 10/19/2007 7:55:31 AM

    Gee that's a real shame. Why just yesterday, I spoke with a homeless man complaining about the box he lived in had lost value, too. Sad isn???t it. Not to mention I have a three bedroom house and four children and no extra space to change my mind- let alone my pants without bumping into someone. I???m so sorry to hear he spent all that inheritance on that large house and is now disappointed with the results. Tell you what, Mr. Elliot, if you want, I???ll bite the bullet and swap houses with you. You can come live in South-East Pennsylvania and I???ll bear the anguish of warm sunny Florida. Of course, I don???t have Uncle Charlie???s inheritance to fall back on for the taxes either, but I???m sure I???ll make do. Let me know, Roger.

  • Posted By: jjjjjjjames @ 10/19/2007 7:54:44 AM

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  • Posted By: jspcaj @ 10/19/2007 6:29:42 AM

    I lived in that area for years, had a decent job and never could afford to buy a home as greedy schmucks as these in flated the value so working middle class familys could not afford to purchase. A pox on your house!!!!!

  • Posted By: Thomas63r2 @ 10/19/2007 1:01:36 AM

    Newsflash to Newsweek readers: Roger didn't get it when he was building this house, he doesn't get it now, and he will never get it.. For a brief point is history the economy tilted very heavily in favor of real estate assets vs. productive contribution. I.E.; it mattered less what you did productively that added to the economy, than what you owned. Although it is an unsustainable economic model, it got wings and flew just by raw emotional appeal. Now that normal economic models of how real estate is valued have re-emerged (I.E.; if you can't afford the non-teaser rate payment then you can't afford the house), there will be a necessary period of revaluation. Probably right now the best values are in new home construction where the builders have to price to market - the resale market hasn't completely come to grips with pricing to market. With the exception of silly money "can't lose" financing deals, its really not so bad. If a person is selling a primary residence and then buying another replacement where is the loss? They sell for less and then they buy for less - the only problem being if they originally entered the home owner market after ~ 2003. The vast majority of current homeowners entered the market before 2003, so it is merely a paper loss for them.

  • Posted By: DocChuck @ 10/18/2007 4:34:27 PM

    I'm trying REALLY hard to feel some sympathy for the Elliotts!

    Even though they are obviously greedy, are obviously spoiled, are obviously not very financially savvy, and obviously out to impress other people with their toys . . . I'm sure that they truly deserve to make a ton of money on their "dream house."

    Am I feeling that sympathy, yet? Nope. In fact, seeing what I perceive as greedy, spoiled Yuppies get what they truly deserve actually makes me feel somewhat gratified.

    As a 65-year old retired professor who waited MANY years before choosing a "dreamhouse" and THEN paying cash for it, I am so pleased that my depression-era parents taught me the value of living within my means, of respecting the value of money, and of the inherent perils of being greedy.

    DocChuck in Maryland

    • Posted By: go_txlonghorns @ 10/19/2007 12:22:27 AM

      I hear you on this one. We've worked hard for many years and we are going to build our dream house, but nowhere in the range of $750,000.00. It isn't that we can't afford it, but unless you are a multibillionaire with more money than you can possibly spend, why go all out on a house and then be upset one year later when the housing market and the economy are really down? Most people that are lucky enough to buy or custom build a new house realize that they are going to have to stay there for years before they realize any real profit from it. I was born wayyy after the depression-era, but my parents were small when this tough time hit and I remember all kinds of horror stories I heard from them.. The most valuable lesson I learned is to live within your means and always have some money in the bank (as well as investments) to fall back on in case of a crisis. We bought our house, we've enjoyed it, but it is time to get out of the big city suburbs and move to the country. We bought and paid for several acres there and we are talking to Architectural Designers and well-established homeowners before we build our "dream home." I hope the Elliotts will settle down in their home for a while and give the stock market and home industry a chance to go through its' ups and downs. I'm fairly sure there will come a time when they will be happy with the "investment" they made in this house, but I'm planning on paying cash for my next home, too. I realize from having worked and saved that this is the best way for us to get what we want without having to make monthly mortgage payments and having to worry about other expenses. My husband and I aren't 65 but we learned how to enjoy life and yet save money for a rainy day. Good luck, Elliotts. I hope you can wait it out a few years to see how much your house will appreciate in value. Now is just a really bad time for such high expectations.

  • Posted By: msjillyann @ 10/18/2007 3:44:42 PM

    Ohhhhh...so terrible!! LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT TERRIBLE....We bought our 1st house together for 60,000 without fixed rate and now we find out after a year all our walls are rotten down to the studs and joists. Now that is terrible since we have no extra cash to fix it all at once. so waaa to them

    • Posted By: yugsy @ 10/18/2007 4:10:48 PM

      building inspection is MANDATORY in real estate purchase / even in purchase of brand new home/condo etc...

      • Posted By: msjillyann @ 10/18/2007 10:47:52 PM

        So can we go back on the inspector???

  • Posted By: vlawson2 @ 10/18/2007 8:58:23 PM

    I understand people's motivation to create a nest egg for their families. Everyone wants to feel secure in their future and investing in real estate is one way to do just that. After all, we all feel insecure when it comes to social security's future. I also understand some of the comments mentioned here when people have invested in their companies and find the people they "trusted" to keep those investments secure took advantage and ran off with the money they set aside just for that purpose. My husband and I invested $25,000 in some land in South Carolina. We purchased 10 acres of land. We both worked two full time jobs and after work we started building our own home. We did not take out any loans, we just used the income we made towards building our home and our future. We started from the ground up and completed our home in about two years. We built a 1400 square foot home and before completely finishing it, we lived in the downstairs and completed the upstairs as we could. We installed a nice kitchen (not high end) and installed nice cabinets in the bathrooms. We also Installed new carpet and vinyl flooring (again nothing high end). Our total investment was around $55,000 (which includes the purchase price of the land). We lived in the home for two years without any mortgages, loans or liens. We subsequently sold our home (due to a great job offer down in Florida) for $140,000. Total cost = sweat equity. Everyone can achieve this just by working hard, spending less, saving more and investing wisely. No one in America should allow the government to bail out anyone out of anything. We should all stop being "weak minded" and be "strong minded" with a strong will to do the best we can with the capabilities we have. We should only lean on "each other" and keep the government out of our back yards.

  • Posted By: jdyule @ 10/18/2007 1:29:25 PM

    With the comments I am reading, it sounds like Roger should have thought twice before agreeing to publish his 'sad story' in a periodical such as Newsweek!!!!! Think he changed his name so he doesn't look like a total buffoon in his neighborhood??

    • Posted By: rogerally @ 10/18/2007 1:48:39 PM

      JD,

      Good point. But honesty sometimes means having to be yourself. Ever 2nd guuessed yourself? Apparently not. Is having this conversation with you all "out there" so offensive to some of you that you have to resort to name calling? Who is the real buffon here JD?

      • Posted By: jdyule @ 10/18/2007 1:59:36 PM

        So you used your real name! Wow!! Sir, you really have to accept the fact that you invited all these comments to your financial stupidity, by having your story printed in Newsweek. Money does not buy intelligence. It is plain to see in this case. That is what financial advisors are for, and make pretty decent livings doing. Oh, and all of us 'out here' didnt publish our situation, or second guessed actions... you did. You may want to pick up a dictionary, dont want everyone thinking you cant spell either *buffon?

        • Posted By: rogerally @ 10/18/2007 8:10:48 PM

          JD, you are definitely not a well wisher are you? And is my misspelling of Buffoon significant? No. Yes, I am guilty of... "Oh, and all of us 'out here' didn???t publish our situation, or second guessed actions... you did." But when is that a crime? I told my story and invited feedback. It was helpful. As far as intelligence goes, those who insult others show the lack of it. I have a Master's degree as well as several difficult to obtain professional certifications. The lack of a spell check feature here means nothing. And you know it. Finally, I wish you well sir. I hope you live well, laugh and love much. And I hope your prayers are answered. Most of all, I hope you have the good luck that I have had and if so, the courage to share your story with others. Grace and mercy - Roger

  • Posted By: Ollie @ 10/18/2007 1:32:39 PM

    Roger, good luck with the house. Unlike a great many of the other posters, I understand the point of the article is to help us learn to look ahead financially... not pity poor "rich" Roger and then make fun of him or wish him bad will. I'm not nearly as well-off as people think Roger is but I agree that it's perfectly acceptable to love your home and treat it an investment as well. To do otherwise is irresponsible and shows the person is bad at math or doesn't plan ahead. And for the complainers that think it's acceptable to bash Roger because he can afford to do nice things for his family, what have YOU done for someone less fortunate for yourself today?

    • Posted By: jdyule @ 10/18/2007 1:44:47 PM

      I am only surmising that you and Roger are business partners....I just couldnt understand why you would post such a comment. Or, you just didnt read the story very well.

      Roger clearly bellyaches throughout the article.

      Oh, and Newsweek... mission accomplished!, you got a bunch of people to react to an article about a real estate market that, has caused a person financial 'indigestion'. There's a lot of that going around!!

  • Posted By: lcipote @ 10/18/2007 7:52:49 PM

    Greed. Plain and simple. They built this house as an investment; to make more money. Should we feel sorry for someone who invested $700,000 on Enron stock? Heck no! It is the same concept and it only means that they had money to spare. I would hate for the government to bail out people like these when there are a lot of people out there who wish they could own a home but were sensible and responsible enough to realize that it was too risky.

  • Posted By: rogerally @ 10/18/2007 7:50:36 PM

    From Roger - Many (not all) of you wrote and were downright hostile. It is clear that your hostility comes from dark motivations. On the other hand some of you had many considerate and purposeful things to say. To the first bunch, you are nut cakes. You reek of jealously. I was blessed. What am I supposed to do? Give it all away as I did for the 1st part of my life? Would it make you feel better if I was poor again? I'm not apologizing for my good fortune. If you can't be happy for me - then be quiet.

    To the second group, thanks for your wonderful insights. Regardless of the investment, I will live here and be happy. And so I will. Through this I learned how lucky and blessed that I am. And for that I make no apologies. Thank again to those who said: Be content.

    Finally, what little I know of Dan the author, is that he is a really a very nice person. The fact that so many of you were provoked to write hostile things about him means that his skill as a writer is evident. Like it or not, it was a true insight into a current concern. He found a story and told it well.

  • Posted By: positive @ 10/18/2007 2:31:41 PM

    Roger, it sounds like you have done alot of humanitarian work, Im glad to know you have a great home to live in, its nice to see someone who has done so much to help others is living a rewarding life, so many people are angry with others just for having more than they do. I understand why you unhappy with the way things are, anyone who buys a home would buy it knowing it is also an investment-whats wrong with that? I hope you and your wife are very happy where you are and that when the time is right you will make a profit off of your home- just like anyone else would want too. God Bless

    • Posted By: rogerally @ 10/18/2007 7:14:03 PM

      Thank you. I know we are better off than the majority of posters. I also know I don't derserve it, even though I have given most of my life. I was just lucky and blessed. Most people think I'm whining or a flipper. Neither. Just concerned about doing the right thing by my wife. As would anyone else.

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