War and Deliverance

Wah wah wah.

Great article, great analysis...until the end. Like the war, I have to ask what's the point of the article. Do we really need one more explanation of the dillusionary mindset of those who led us down that destructive path and those (especially the spineless Democrats who were afraid to oppose so as to save their careers) who timidly followed in lock-step? Where are the thought-provoking and inspiring suggestions of what might be done to save this nation from the "war is the only solution" power-mongers and the simplistic "kick their asses" mentality of the people who fall for their con? Why just add to the despair? Thanks anyway.

It appears that when the right can't blast the left for being weak kneed pantywaists, they try to blast them for agreeing with em. Fact: Saddam did not have anything to do with 9/11. Fact: Osama did. The Bush administration dropped the ball by not finishing in Afganistan. Saddam wasn't going anywhere. Whether or not we all agree that he was an evil despot or not, we had other business to attend to. Besides, isn't he an evil that we created? We supported him both militarily and financially in his war with Iran...much of his equipment was of US origin...hey wait, we supported Osama against the Soviets in the 70s too.... Maybe our policies shouldn't be siding with the lesser of the evils, maybe we should let those types sort it out between themselves and pick up the pieces afterwards... I am disappointed that the cowards in power (Bush, Cheney) have thus far had the blood of almost 4000 of our soldiers on their souls, yet they were too chicken and/or selfserving to serve in the military themselves. I supproted , and still support the actions in Afganistan, but totally opposed the invasion of Iraq. We need real leaders...unfrotunately neither side has come up with someone that really strikes us in the middle as the real deal

Too many of the extreme right, try to justify the unfortunate actions of the Bush administration by taking either pot shots at the left, or try to justify by inclusion as PhilinAZ is doing. Simple fact: No matter how lousy a dictator, Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Another simple fact: Osama did, and is still loose. I supported the invasion of Afganistan, and still think it was the correct move by the Bush administration. If they had been competent enough to COMPLETE the job in Afganistan prior to going into Iraq, I may have supported the invasion. Unfortunately it was ill planned, ill concieved, ill timed and for the wrong reasons.... We all know Saddam was a blemish that needing cleaning up. How sad it is that we forget that just a relative short time ago he was an ally, and we supported his government to the tune of millions of dollars, as well as providing much of the military equipment he posessed. We knew his behavior then was deplorable, but overlooked it in convienence. Come to think of it, even Osama was a quasi ally whom we supported by providing training and weapons in the 70s during his fight against the Soviets in Afganistan... Historically we (our government) has a tendency to support corrupt regiemes when it fits our pourposes. We allied with Batista in Cuba, even though we knew of his corrrupt and vicious tactics, and the list can go on... Saddam could have waited, but the War Mongers who never heard a shot fired in anger, and actually were too weak and/or too connected to have to be put in harms way now have the blood of nearly 4000 much braver, and to me much more patriotic, Americans on their souls. We need to realize that the allies we choose today, especially the corrupt and ruthless ones will probably be our problem tomorrow... Maybe we need a historian as a leader in the US

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To the Iibs taking the moral high ground in Iraq. Sen. John Rockefeller, D-W.Va., ranking minority Intelligence Committee member, October 2002: "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years." Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., December 1998: "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., and others, in a letter to President Bush, December 2001: There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. ... In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, February 1998: "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." So guess what. We removed a percieved threat. Now we have to clean up the mess. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

If removing Saddam Hussein from power was wrong, despite the fact that he murdered his own people, attacked neighbor countries, and was pursuing weapons of mass destruction, then removing Adolf Hitler was wrong, despite the fact that he murdered his own people, attacked neighbor countries, and was pursuing weapons of mass destruction.

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Here is to the libs who are complaining about WMDs in Iraq. Here are the others who thought Iraq had these weapons. Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, February 1998: "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., December 1998: "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., and others, in a letter to President Bush, December 2001: There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. ... In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
So it was Bush that pushed us to war. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

If removing Saddam Hussein from power was wrong, despite the fact he murdered thousands of his own people, acted belligerent to other nations and was pursuing weapons of mass destruction, then it was wrong to remove Adolf Hitler from power, despite the fact that he murdered thousands of his own people, acted belligerent to other nations and was pursuing weapons of mass destruction.

It all makes sense, now. So...was Saddam the piggy? Or are we?

It all makes sense, now. So...was Saddam the piggy? Or are we?

Not all candidates want to continue this thing. Bill Richardson wants to pull all of the troops out as soon as possible. He wants to use diplomacy, what we should have been doing in the first place, to help Iraq regroup and rebuild. Not everyone is on a testosterone high like Lewis/Dick or even Hillary.

I think this is a very well thought out artical. It sounds perfect! There is more truth to this than anything the administration has told us. This war is wrong, we are fighting the wrong people and the truth is this administrations main reason to be there is so we have a military base in the Middle East! I also wanted to say that I support our troops! They are the most selfless and bravest people our country has. I do not, however, support our president or this administrations ideas or reasons for this war.

We don't belong in someones elses Country. Do you want an Army of another Country to occupy America because they THINK we are a threat? They didn't even have any Weapons of Mass destruction. It was all a hoax. Do you see how much money all those Corporations are making over there? Billions. It about profits NOT Freedom. Yes, they all wave the Flag but it's just a show so they can get us to go along with them. It's not working. Our people are dying for a lie. Wake up.Why do you think Cheny wouldn't go into the Military?
Yet he sends our young idealistic youth to a pointless war. WE don't belong there. It was a All guys from saudi arabia that flew those planes into the towers. i was there that day in NYC. why not attack saudi arabia?
Can't. They are buddies with the Bush Family and hey, they have Oil! Who nees the Truth when you can have oil profits.

It looks like zapp666 is a perfect example of the Lewis-mindset. I think the article makes an excellent point. From Dick Cheney "hunting" caged birds (and the occasional lawyer) to George W. pretending to be a rancher, the entire administration seems intent on proving their manliness. Probably to make up for the fact they dodged the draft when they were younger. It is so sad that truly brave men and women are dying for their machismo. Our current leaders make the world a more dangerous place and then ask for more power so they can protect us.