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An Electric Dream

THE $98,000 Tesla Roadster aims to be the ultimate green car. Will it succeed?

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  • Posted By: willy2cool @ 07/14/2008 6:20:31 PM

    My friend and I built a tesla coil as an 8th grade science project back in 1962. We used an old transformer to convert a/c current to d/c current. We hand wound the coils, used erector set steel through wax seals into a salt water containers for the condenser. It received the blue ribbon and went to the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry that year as a finalist. To watch the arc was spectacular and the gas given off was OZONE.

  • Posted By: willy2cool @ 07/14/2008 6:16:34 PM

    My friend and I built a tesla coil as a science project in 8th grade in 1962. It was a success and went to the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry as an entry that year. We used a transformer to convert a/c current to d/c current. We hand wound the coils, used erector set steel through wax seals into salt water for the condensers. The gas given off by the arc was OZONE. It was spectacular to watch when running.

  • Posted By: Arkady @ 10/19/2007 10:52:37 PM

    ere are the details.

    Check out Kos Pharmaceuticals in 1997-1998 period. We had a buy. We knew they sucked. The whole securities industry is bullshit. They have systematically electronically harrassed me since 1996 and I am sick of it. Check out mcforums on the web. You will see everyone's stories there. Also check out raven1 on the web. They will tell you how it is done.


    • Posted By: heathsellers @ 11/06/2007 9:13:21 PM

      what the hell are you rambeling about?

      • Posted By: LDickens the III @ 11/07/2007 3:31:49 PM

        The rambeling correct spelling is rambling, from verb RAMBLE (remember LED ZEPPELIN's song ?), but then again you are driving big, AMERICAN, SUV which makes you a person with the brain size inversly proportionate.

        • Posted By: Wilde1 @ 01/26/2008 11:07:29 PM


          Hey Dick - If you had the misfortune to be involved in a head on crash while driving at 50mph, what vehicle would you rather be in at the time - an economical fuel-efficient compact car or a full-size not so fuel-efficient SUV? (I hope you don't take too long to think about this one.)

        • Posted By: Wilde @ 01/26/2008 11:06:48 PM


          Hey Dick - If you had the misfortune to be involved in a head on crash while driving at 50mph, what vehicle would you rather be in at the time - an economical fuel-efficient compact car or a full-size not so fuel-efficient SUV? (I hope you don't take too long to think about this one.)

  • Posted By: WordWorker @ 01/07/2008 7:37:58 PM

    For those fo you who haven't pulled your noses out of the TV in awhile to think, don't knock a $98, 000 car as a bad idea, especially one as advanced, capable, and beautiful as the Tesla. It proves that electric cars are viable. Don't forget, before Henry Ford (no he didn't invent the car as we know it, but an affordable one) the average internal-combustion car cost about tiwce the annual salary of the average middle class consumer, or more. And with Toyota taking a look at an all-electric Prius, how long do you figure it will be before an affordable one is available? Not that electric is the "answer to cancer" either. Think for a minute: what kind of a drain would be put on the power grid if a few million electric cars in each major city were plugged in for the night? Can you spell "brown-out" (especially in the summer)? And where will all that electricity come from - coal, oil, nuclear? Face it: unless we learn to harvest and distrubute lightning next year, electric cars are off a ways yet. However, as with any technology, we'll overcome the hurdles and develope the infrastructure, just as we did with gasoline-powered cars. - T. H. Pine

  • Posted By: ahsoccer713 @ 01/03/2008 11:50:15 PM

    Yeah it looks and sounds like a great car but honestly what average houseold can afford a $98,000 car. Only the people that are funding it like the google boys, the ebay president and movie stars. If you want to find cars that are just as effective and produce zero fuel emmisions then take a look at the cars that Zap is coming out with at www.zapworld.com. They are coming out with the cars before Telsa. Zap is also a publicly traded company under the ticker symbol ZAAP.

  • Posted By: T_Hip @ 11/24/2007 4:32:51 PM

    I cant believe that its taking our human race this long to realize, if we feel we aabsolutely have to travel at speeds excessing that of a hoarse, or a wind sail, then we have no alternitve.. .I hope Tesla explodes into the automotive market. what a great project. and the nay sayer.lol its funny, when i turned on my pc this afternoon, it seemed to take at least 5 mins to boot.Well the next time i turned it on this evening i clocked the boot time and it was only 49 secs.So just for kicks I retimed it from full stop to full boot, consistant 49 secs my point is, so what its taking longer to go through the crash inspections and so on. The future is in front of us its not goning anyware. Tesla WILL be huge..... wish i had a piece of the finacial pie as well as an zero emissions car.

  • Posted By: Harold2007 @ 11/12/2007 2:53:41 PM

    http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm This is another tiny trailer generator for the Toyota EV, a 500cc motorcycle engine is used, housed in a small, aerodynamic package 20kW DC output is sufficient for extended high-speed travel.

  • Posted By: Harold2007 @ 11/12/2007 2:32:25 PM

    It looks like an electric car with a trailer generator has already been done. See pictures at http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_Gallery.htm click on the pictures for a bigger view.

  • Posted By: Harold2007 @ 11/11/2007 6:27:08 PM

    3. The ideal car or SUV would be a plug-in electric with a lithium battery having a 200 miles range. To take a long highway trip attach a small trailer containing a high efficiency gasoline generator and fill up as needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine 100 miles per gallon no problem.

  • Posted By: Harold2007 @ 11/11/2007 6:12:26 PM

    1. Wind turbines have a capital cost of about one dollar per watt or about $4 Million for a 3.5 Mega-Watt generator including the tower, blades and control electronics. That is about 4 times cheaper than solar panels. Wind power supplies more than 20 percent of Germany's electricity and 30 percent of Denmark's. America has many good locations with high wind in the north. (see DOE wind maps)

    2. Gasoline engines that run at constant speed near their maximum power point are about 3 times more efficient than ones running at a fraction of their full power such as in a car in a typical situation. see next post

  • Posted By: lilredwagon @ 11/09/2007 3:51:26 AM

    As an owner of two hybrid vehicles I applaud the Tesla work. Competition and options are the backbone of innovation and they are offering choices. I would also suggest that while auto manufacturers continue to look at making individual vehicles more efficient, significantly more investment is needed in mass transportation.




  • Posted By: Blue Eyed Ruben @ 11/08/2007 11:24:05 PM

    Remember the scale model slot cars kids played with in the 60s and 70s? Power strips need to be installed in our freeways. Not everywhere, but in a special lane and even intermittantly, to reduce the draw on electric cars' batteries or even to help recharge them as they are being driven.

  • Posted By: Blue Eyed Ruben @ 11/08/2007 11:20:55 PM

    Remember the scale model slot cars we had in the 60s and 70s? We need charged pavement patches to be installed in our freeways, not everywhere, but in a special lane and even only intermittantly to reduce the draw on electric cars' batteries or even to help charge them as they are being driven.

  • Posted By: Crotchfire @ 10/30/2007 10:57:01 PM

    pistolwhip, learn how to spell. Nucular, come on man, you sound like Bush. And even if we drilled into Alaska, it would only temporarily help our delema; we would still be addicted to oil. The cost of gasoline is only going to rise, oil is a limited resource, with a growing demand. Should we start using alternatives now, or wait until gas is $10 a gallon and our economy is destroyed. The is no reason we should put off researching alternative fuel/energy sources, it's time now.

    • Posted By: pnivram @ 11/05/2007 10:02:08 AM

      crotchfire....you might as well read a dictionary too...DELEMA ?? try dilema....

  • Posted By: gt350 @ 10/26/2007 2:36:27 AM

    Lets see didnt GM a few years ago build a electric car that was pretty darn fast. Oh it didnt cost 100k and no one bought it. Charging 100k is not breaking new ground, maybe in Marketing Skills but not TECH. I just wonder what TOYOTA,HONDA,FORD, and GM could build for 100k. And investors I have some nice swamp land in Florida thats the best!

    • Posted By: fooljoe @ 11/08/2007 4:31:08 PM

      no one bought gm's ev1 it because it was never offered for sale. gm only produced a few thousand and begrudgingly leased every single one (many willing buyers were left on the waiting list), then reclaimed and crushed the cars, which still drove as well as when they were brand new. if they ever were offered for sale, they'd still be on the road today making the auto companies look stupid, just like the 300 of toyota's rav4-ev that made it into the public's hands.

  • Posted By: RPHIII @ 10/23/2007 8:06:31 PM

    Electric automobiles will not enable us to "thumb our noses at the Middle East" nor will it help with global warming. 70% of the electricity in the United States is generated by fossil fuels. So what difference does it make whether you burn those fuels to power an electric generator or a gas engine? NONE. Go fool yourselves for as long as you want. There is one advantage to electric cars and that is if you put the generation faciities outside of the urban areas. You can disipate the location of the polution. But the overall polution is not reduced. So if you are correct about the cause of global warming, electric cars do nothing to lessen human overall carbon output. Furhtermore, one must still generate the electricity and the 70% figure will go up if most vehicles become electric powered. The demand for oil will stay the same. Its users will just shift from drivers to electric generation companies.

    • Posted By: fooljoe @ 11/08/2007 4:25:53 PM

      you mention two issues critically affected by our oil dependence: national security and global warming. truelibertarian rightly showed that the higher efficiency of evs effectively tackles the global warming issue, even assuming fossil fuel electric generation. as far as the national security issue, allow me to point out that not all fossil fuels are equal; coal doesn't come from the middle east. ev drivers, go ahead and thumb those noses.

    • Posted By: truelibertarian @ 10/24/2007 10:47:36 AM

      Actually, even if all the electricity used to power electric cars came from fossil burning plants (not true in hydro-, wind-, and solar-power rich California, which is a key initial market for Tesla's car), and even if we didn't take special pains to scrub the exhaust at power-plants, the net emissions from personal transportation could be lessened by going all-electric. The reason is that the internal combustion engine is extremely inefficient, while the electric motor is extremely efficient. If you took a gallon of gasoline and used it to power an electric generator, then transmitted that electricity to a home outlet, which you then used to charge up the EV, you would still be able to move that car further down the road than if you poured the same gallon directly into the tank of an efficient regular automobile, even a hybrid. The transmission and battery-charging losses are still much less than the heat loss of a conventional engine. This is why, for instance, so-called ???diesel??? locomotive engines are actually electric motors powered by an on-board diesel-fueled generator, huge ???hybrids??? that benefit from the economy of scale. So, if everyone had EVs, we???d actually use less fossil fuel to power our cars to power equivalent regular vehicles: less fuel means fewer emissions, even if you don???t do anything else to prevent them.

  • Posted By: ajvia1 @ 11/08/2007 10:42:04 AM

    Also, "big, American, SUV" is not even close to the appropriate grammar for the sentence that the pompous, arrogant Ldickens was attempting. Ever heard the glass houses phrase? It goes something like, "PEPLE who, live, inn glasshouses, should nt' throw, STONES," you fool.

  • Posted By: LDickens the III @ 11/07/2007 3:22:33 PM

    Sorry, my previous mail goes to heathesellers driving big, AMERICAN, SUV. Please learn grammar first!

  • Posted By: heathsellers @ 11/06/2007 9:03:59 PM

    Electric cars to reduce greenhouse gases? Where will the electricity come from - coal fired power plants is the answer. Does anyone remember the looming ice age that the "experts" forecast in the 80's? Doing my part for global warming - I drive a big, AMERICAN, SUV! Remember, Al Gore didn't invent the internet - but he did make up global warming.

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