An after-hours office meeting between a young man and a top Roman Catholic official has prompted a fresh inquiry into gay priests. What the investigation could mean for the Holy See.
Comment: Homosexuality should not to be condemned. But celibacy should be.
Comment: thurnherr........ethnicity and religion are not synonymous with sexual orientation. they are apples and oranges. it baffles that homosexuals rank a sexual orientation with ethicity and/or religion. i am not homophobic. and i'll refrain from patronizing u by saying "some of my best friends are gay". (i hate that lame rhetoric). yeah im on the side that feels at birth a person may have a proclivity toward the same sex but i dont agree with such a lifestyle. anatomically its not natural. and for that i offer no excuse. so i do take sissue with the act. but value u as a person. when persons are allowed to comment on articles, etc, on a post board forum u cant wear your emotions on your sleeves. yes some may use the forum to spew venom but thats part of the "post forum" freedom. and that freedom is enjoyed by posters. certainly not by the editorial staff of newsweek or anyother media. appealing to newsweek is not the solution. (unless its one of their writers bashing gays in an article. and that would be unacceptable). lighten up. "john q public" will not be converted. the fight is not with newsweek but with people around u that may be homophobic and insensitive to your humanity. just remeber your sexual orientation is not and will not be akin to ethnicity and religion. and the country u choose to live in waxes puritanical when it comes to certain issues. it is what it is for now. u cant honour free speech then have doubts. what u really mean is u believe in censorship when it involves your own backyard. (no pun intended). bottom line? grow up and stop whining. or better yet call priest stenico here and seek refuge.
Comment: Dear Newsweek editors, I appreciate that you want to provide your readers with an opportunity to comment on news stories. However, I am shocked that many people abuse this platform to spread intolerance and prejudice against gays rather than to focus on the real story. The "comments" are often narrow-minded and filled with hate and the contrast to the balanced and often superb writing style of Newsweek reports is striking. I value free speech but doubt that some of these postings (one of which was even featured in the [European] print edition of Newsweek) would remain unedited if they were criticizing ethnical or religious groups instead of gays. Or is it really a sign that gay rights have evolved far more in Europe than in the USA?
Comment: To all Newsweek editors: I appreciate that you want to provide your readers with an opportunity to comment on stories. However, I am shocked that this platform is abused by people to spread prejudice and intolerance against gays rather than commenting on the story itself. The "comments" are often thoughtless and narrow-minded and a real contrast to the superb and balanced writing style of Newsweek reporters. I honour free speech but I doubt that these postings (one of which even made it into the [European] print edition of Newsweek) would remain unedited if they were discriminating ethnical or religious groups instead of gays. Or is it really a sign that gay rights have advanced far more in Europe than in the US?
Comment: Look at the villain in his pic. he looks effeminate. all bright eyed and bushy-tailed. like hes waiting for a vile encounter. another thing ive come to know is that catholic priests are not really familiar with scripture. just bits and pieces. the overwhelming majority of their knowledge or responses are based on the constructs of the catholic church. certainly they dont believe they are an off-shoot of the early church at jerusalem found in the book of Acts. apostle paul or peter would condemn them and call them wolves in sheep clothing. jesus would call them snakes, vipers, hypocrites.
Comment: its just as plain as day that many, many, many catholic priests are gay. the catholic church many times is a haven for their perverted behavior. they are effeminate men disguised as "genteel". and are social misfits so what better place than a so-called spiritual organization that lives commune style? where wicked behaviors can be shrouded? as little as its percevied many priests are very introverted and self-centered which can be a trait amongst pedophiles. to be a pedophile is a sick, wicked perversion. for an adult to be thrilled with sexual relations with a child or a youngster is just plain vile and sick. its beyond same sex with a consenting adult. many priests would probably bang a snake if they could hold it still. what they need to do is get that effemiinate male and let him bunk with "Bubba" at the local prison and let Bubba work him over with 4 other guys but then again some of those sick jerks might like that. if we began to castrate those infidels that would be a sure anti-dote and deterrent.
Comment: Myopinioncounts. first of all exactly when (dates) was the catholic church "invincible"?
secondly how do u stop the "dis-ease" of pedophilia?
when pedophilia has been committed since time began?
Comment: its insane that a thinking person would align themselves with a supposed spiritual organization that is steeped in secrecy, crimes, gross false doctrines not even found in the bible, pedophilia, lesbianism, and homosexuality. when people dont want to really obey Christ they make up their own righteousness and devise methods of "suffering" that they think makes heaven smile. its really bad when youre self-deceived.
Comment: Re: Vatican Sex Sting
I'm glad that this was exposed because the Catholic church has a history of covering up the unlawful acts of its priests and protecting them from prosecution for pedophilia. It also seems that they care more for the priest involve in this case than in the victim. That's why I encourage every victim of the Catholic Priests to come forward so that this disease stops from spreading any further and the criminals get what they deserve. I
Comment: Re: Vatican Sex Sting
I am greatful that this issue became public because people need to know what is going on in this once invincible Church. It seems like the church cares more for the priest than for the victim. In the past the Catholic church would cover this incidents of sexual miscunduct and protected the priests from facing the law for pedophilia by sending them to serve some place else. This really shows how much they care for their followers.
Comment: Homosexual priests-So ! thats not news it's history
When is the RC Church going to wake up and cancel that 8th century rule preventing priests from being married ,to a woman. The sole purpose being to prevent wifes,mistresses,kids,bastards from inheriting a priests estate. Perhaps some MEN WILL BECOME PRIESTS.
Comment: So -this is news? When is the church going to end this 8th century rule ,preventing married priests,the purpose being to prevent the wifes ,children and bastards from inheriting a priest's estate.
Fr George
Comment: Sounds like the vatican is supporting another witch hunt! Yaay! Humanity's really gotten so far since the burnings, huh? Now instead of killing people, they publicly shame and mentally screw them over. Yaay Vatican for showing the growth of man and civil liberties.
Comment: omahkohkiaayo i agree with your discoveries about the catholic church. but your daughter needs not to be contending with the "institution". the best decision is to remove her from the school and not put her in a learning situtation where there are personal odds that are not and wll not be accounted for. a teenager does not need to be contending with catholic church policies and christopher columbus fallacies. your daughters attention needs not be distracted with vain philosophy.
Comment: omahkohkiaayo my point is a 9yr old shouldnt have to act as an advocate expressing disagreement concerning americas history and the policies of the catholic church. apparently u think something of that nature for a 9 yr old is savvy. its not. a child shouldnt have to construct such disagreements of that nature. thats emotionally out of order.. shes a child. YOU oughta know whats going on in the school anway. why would u enroll your child in a dogmatic school in the first place? if your family has an issue with the christopher columbus fallcy why would u subject your daughter to an environment that faithfully reveres him each year? your daughter doesnt belong in a parochial school. your culture and the catholic church culture are not a match. i think you have miscalculated in this decision. again i am riveted on the point that your family wholeheartedly disagrees with the catholic church YET u pay tuition to send her there? YOU need to re-think that.
Comment: Final reply: My daughter was not acting as an advocate or shill for me, she really had/has her own opinions not all of which I agree with and she does not agree with all of mine. She was enrolled in Catholic School at the insistence of her mother and did not object, and would have kept her in if that school had allowed some individual critical thinking, and Catholic Schools do have some virtues.
The story I relayed was relayed to me and I have no reason to doubt it; I was not present at the time. But my daughter pretty much confirmed what she had said and why and it had to do with being moved by the Oprah program she and her grandmother watched together not my influence. Her notion of what is real repentence about and what does it take came from her confirmation classes not from me as I am not Catholic.
I once asked her teacher, on the Columbus thing, what if my daughter were Jewish and you were celeebtraing Hitler's birthday, would she understand my daughter being a bit pssed about that. She answered yes. Well my daughter is a Blackfoot Indian and celebrating Columbus Day for Her, is just like celebrating Hitler's birthday for a Jewish child.
But the real issue, not whether or not my daughter or any child can have truly their own opinion and at what age, but the real issue is the rank arrogance, hypocrisy and treachery of the Catholic Church that dares to pronounce itself the only true Church and all others either sects or deformed wings of one true Church.
The real issue is the rank treachery and just naked hypocrisy and my daughter could see it and sees it more now at her present age. They still refuse to apoplogize for or even acknowledge centruies of genocide against Indigenous Peoples, for their role in hiding and aiding escaping nazis and a whole host of crimes past and present. But they tell their parishioners to tell all, not to equivocate or cop out, try to make amends with victims regardless of implications on legal liability etc. But when it comes to their own crimes, and these are crimes, apparently their priests and nuns and bishops, archbishops covering-up for them are just too good to go to jail where they belong.
And now with the Opus Dei crowd really runnning things it is even more ugly and fascistic like the recently canonized founder of Opus Dei himself.
Comment: Posted By: goodnewsforcatholics @ 10/19/2007 5:06:17 PM
Comment: as crazy as it sounds, the bible actually calls the Catholic church a harlot (whore) ... the bible identifies this church as the one that sits on seven hills (Rome). (Rev 18:4-5 NIV) Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; {5} for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. Anyone heard of the Inquisition?
Is it possible that men and women are begging to take off teir blindfolds and see the truth?
I am amazed that for centuries so many people have been led into the shadows by false preachings.
Comment: Posted By: goodnewsforcatholics @ 10/19/2007 5:06:17 PM
Comment: as crazy as it sounds, the bible actually calls the Catholic church a harlot (whore) ... the bible identifies this church as the one that sits on seven hills (Rome). (Rev 18:4-5 NIV) Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; {5} for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes. Anyone heard of the Inquisition?
Is it possible people are beginning to take off their blindfolds and see the truth?
I am amazed that for generations men and women have been led into the shodows by false preachings.
Comment: SteveE actually jesus never said anything is a sin. but the people living during his time new the Moral Law of God given to them thru Moses. Just because Jesus didnt say "its a sin" doesnt give one a license to manifest ANY type of lifestyle they wish to. The truth is although culture may change and get more and more tolerant God doesnt change with the culture. The bible isnt a manual to find loopholes as if......."it doesnt say sin right here so lets do it". Wrong idea of God. People live righteous, moral lives due to loving God. Notice I said "righteous" because any human being can basically pull off living morally sound. But righteousness involves a relationship with Jesus which is totally different from "religion" and trying to do "whats right".
Comment: as crazy as it sounds, the bible actually calls the Catholic church a harlot (whore) ... the bible identifies this church as the one that sits on seven hills (Rome).
(Rev 18:4-5 NIV) Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; {5} for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.
Anyone heard of the Inquisition?
Comment: to Steve E.: It shows in Bible that homosexuality is a sin in several places. Sit back, blow the dust off that Bible and let's reason together, shall we! lol Genesis 1:27,28 Genesis 2:24 shows God's original plan for man and woman, not man and man, nor woman and woman. God destroyed the city of Socam and Gomorrah because of homosexuality Genesis 19 and Judy 1:7. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22) "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13) "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which is due." (Romans 1:26,27) And in his epistle to Timothy Paul says, "But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine," (1 Timothy 1:8-10) And finally in his epistle to the Corinthians we find, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, not adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, not thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9,10) Paul put homosexuality in the category of sin right along with fornication, worshiping idols, committing adultery, stealing, drunkenness, kidnapping, and other such acts which are repulsive to Christians.
Hope this helps! :-) and thanks for asking!
Comment: Glad to see you are so "well read" of the Bible. Can I safely assume that you haven't violated any of the teachings of the Bible? You don't eat any pork products (also forbidden in Leviticus)? Even something simpler, never violated any of the Ten Commandments? (Never used God's name in vein? Never disobeyed your parents? No work of any kind on the Sabbath? Never coveted anything of your neighbors? Wow!!! You are a saint!!! God bless you. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone! Please pick up your stone now and stone everyone else around you.
Comment: LisaSmith... YOU ARE AN IDIOT! Do you honestly believe the B.S. you write? OMG you're probably a closet freak too, I'll see you on "DATELINE to catch a predator", huh? The reason for this Vatican B.S. is just the same prob as people like LisaSmith here; the result of a world with it's head so far up it's @ss it can't see the reality of things. After hundreds of years of B.S. I can't believe anyone would take The Vatican seriously.
Comment: LisaSmith, you are an idiot. Go F__k yourself, I'm sure no one else is f__king you. Obviously you are a closet homosexual yourself, I've only ever met a handful (no pun intended) of people who spewed such homophobic B.S. and they were all gay!!! Do you honestly believe the sh*t you write? PLEASE.
Comment: A number of you are asking what does pedophilia have to do with homosexuality - this is a post I made - maybe this will help.
Posted By: LisaSmith @ 10/19/2007 15:44:14
Comment: 1/3 of all child molestations reported in the US are committed by the 2-3% of the population that is gay (6-9 million people). The other 2/3 to be committed by the other 294 million Americans. Get the picture? Child molestation among homosexuals is quite obviously far more prevalent among homosexuals
Comment: I am shocked and apalled.
Comment: I am shocked!
Comment: I guess I must have missed it. Would someone tell me where, in the Bible, Jesus says that homosexuality is a sin.
Comment: twinkletoes.......what type of "urges" do u have around children? are ua pedophile at heart?
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Comment: twinkletoes exactly what type "urges" do you have around children? are you a pedophile at heart?
Comment: pupuguru in response to your vain question....there is no sensationalism in a muslim, buddhist, nor hindu sex scandal. does it happen? are people in other faiths human? therein lies your answer.
Comment: I am a GAY american. I also happen to be a priest. It doesn't make me a bad person. I can control my urges when children are around. So just get over it.
Comment: Why is it there are never any Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist sex scandals reported?? Seems to be a Christian thing, with a touch of Judaic for good measure.
Comment: Why is it there are never any Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist sex scandals reported?? Seems to be a Christian thing, with a touch of Judaic for good measure.
Comment: Why is it there are never any Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist sex scandals reported?? Seems to be a Christian thing, with a touch of Judaic for good measure.
Comment: omahkohkiaayo. thats story sounds concocted. at 9 yrs old a child is not riveted on "the pope" and the policies of the catholic church. you shouldnt embellish like that. first of all is she DID have such thoughts they should have been discussed AT HOME. and she should have been instructed not to speak in that manner. whos the parent you or the child? thats adult dialogue. not dialogue for a 9 yr old. is it YOU that feels the pope is a liar and youre usuing your daughter as a smokescreen for your own feelings?
Comment: The story is exactly as it was relayed to me by her teacher who was a dogmatic Catholic and not very happy. My daughter had just seen a program on Oprah about the issue and also had discussed it with me and yes I did say I thought the pope was a hypocrite, liar and fascist like the present one. My daughter had got detetnion at six for saying "Columbus was a fake", she did not know how to say Genocidal maniac, and at seven she got into trouble for saying the Pledge of Allegiance is a bunch of damn lies and my Dad told me not to tell lies". In that case, I poinbted out to the teacher that as a Blackfoot Indian, who had been on more than ten Rezes before she was six, she knew better than most smug, willfully blind and comfortable Americans how much the Pledge of Allegiance is a bunch of damn lies..."
Sorry if what is too deep for you "must not" or "could not" have come from a nine year old child; that is your own arrogance and ultra-sensitivity showing.
Comment: I find it interesting that these conversations keep coming up. Why are pedophiles and homosexuals spoken of as if they are one and the same. I personally find it to be offensive.
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Comment: Iceman: What does homosexuality have to do with pedophilia and the administering of rights to a pedophile? And why do you use this to purvey a message of unequality under the laws of this nation. One nation, under God, with liberty and just ice for ALL. That includes all taxpaying fags and dykes.. When you pray to your God, I hope you pray for some insight to your own prejudices.
Comment: 1/3 of all child molestations reported in the US are committed by the 2-3% of the population that is gay (6-9 million people). The other 2/3 to be committed by the other 294 million Americans. Get the picture? Child molestation among homosexuals is quite obviously far more prevalent among homosexuals.
Comment: Posted By: Omahkohkiaayo @ 10/19/2007 1:08:41 PM
Congrats for your daughter. At 9 she can elaborate like that? Watch out.
Comment: Yes, now she is 13 going on 14 and yes she is turning into something else. When she got into the public schools her reading improved as she could read Japanese anime books that the Cathlic School told her were full of subliminal satanic imaging and hidden messages.
But she grasped an important point almost instinctively. Here is teh Church telling its parishioners that they cannot talk to God and ask forgiveness directly, they have to go through one of God's mediators when he is not out molesting, and further, they cannot equivocate, they must tell it all, they must be truly sorry and not just for having been caught, they must try to make amends with the victims, they must take steps not to repeat the sin etc etc.
And here is the Catholic Church promoting Cardinals like Law of Boston with a long record of playing musical parishes with molester priests and doing cover-ups, into the Vatican, and out of the reach of the law, doing legal obstructions of cases and settling only when about to go to court and be exposed in court and under oath, taking no steps to help the victims as that would admit liability etc.
That is rank hypocrisy a six year old with an IQ over that of a tomato should be able to spot.
Comment: My daughter was thrown out of a Catholic school at 9 years old for callinfg the Pope a liar. When I asked the teacher what she had said, she said that my daughter said that "The Holy Father tells us to confess our sins and to try to make things right with those we sinned against but he protects the molester priests." (Note: several Cardinals like Law from Boston, involved in playing musical pedophiles and rotating priests to different parishes to hide them from exposure and the law have all been promoted and like Law are even in the Vatican out of the reach of the law).
Just imagine the following confession: Father forgive me it has been some time since my last confession. The thing is, my sins are too embarrassing for me to really get into specifics; plus, those I have sinned against may litigate and if I admit my sins and try to make amends with them, I could get sued in addition to being exposed as a total hypocrite. So here is the deal Father, could I get a sort of generic forgiveness for all sins plast, present and even for the future in case some of my sins come home to roost and cause future victims?
Comment: My daughter was thrown out of a Catholic school at 9 years old for callinfg the Pope a liar. When I asked the teacher what she had said, she said that my daughter said that "The Holy Father tells us to confess our sins and to try to make things right with those we sinned against but he protects the molester priests." (Note: several Cardinals like Law from Boston, involved in playing musical pedophiles and rotating priests to different parishes to hide them from exposure and the law have all been promoted and like Law are even in the Vatican out of the reach of the law).
Just imagine the following confession: Father forgive me it has been some time since my last confession. The thing is, my sins are too embarrassing for me to really get into specifics; plus, those I have sinned against may litigate and if I admit my sins and try to make amends with them, I could get sued in addition to being exposed as a total hypocrite. So here is the deal Father, could I get a sort of generic forgiveness for all sins plast, present and even for the future in case some of my sins come home to roost and cause future victims?
Comment: In Christianity, homosexuality is considered a sin. The priest was wrong and should be ex-communicated at a bare minimum.
I agree that if we give certain privileges to same sex unions/marriages, then other groups will demand the same. I can see on CNN (in the future) pedophiles demanding rights. This new tolerance that is taught in our society is full of immorality. Not all groups are equal, and they shouldn't be given certain rights. If you are a freakshow (wicca, homosexual, pedophile, ....), then you should not be given those rights. It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!
Comment: Homosexuality is a sin to Christians of many denominations. The priest is definitely wrong and should be ex-communicated at a minimum.
This new tolerance movement that has been going on for years, that all people are equal, is degrading our society. I do not know, how as a society, that we let social immorality like homosexuality and pedophiles have equal rights. It was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve! It's appalling that we are teaching our kids to accept wicca, homosexuality, drug use.....
Comment: What does Wicca, a spiritual practice, have to do with the Vatican, pedophiles, homosexuality or priests? Wiccans have an unbroken line of practice and worship far older the ant Church. You sound like a bigot of several sorts.
Comment: Wicca was around long before the Church, it is an ancient religious practice--nothing to do with morality per se. You seem to be a bit of a bigot!
Comment: judge not but something hsve to be done with these people whether it be pastor priest or anyboby.God church surpose to be a house where we go to worship god, i see why alot of people are not going to church anymore we don,t know who to trust i know we can trust god and know one else put thet are there to lead and guide us to god,but these poeple are making god church look in away he is not please with.
Comment: This is awful. Pedophilia is a crime. Homosexuality should not be equated with pedophilia. This is simply a case of a disgusting man using his power of the cloth to take advantage of youngsters who are questioning their identity. Throw the book at him.
Comment: I think this is very disgusting... a priest!! not cool son!!!
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Comment: Priests are only human and the celibacy rule is ridiculous. They should be allowed to have relationships. Cathloic rules have been changed in the past and could be changed again. Eventually it will happen. Why not now?
Comment: No excuse. Catholic priests who take the vows, have NO excuse if they break them. Considering that they are completely aware of the consequences, (even in thought alone) it is incredible that they still break them.
What are they thinking? Still, I met "pillars" of religion. Undeviant, strong, true character....
Comment: It's OK. Everything is OK. Do whatever you want whenever you want and don't you worry cause there is no hell. EVERYONE goes to heaven. There are no penalties for wrongdoing. This is the word of God.
Comment: OK, some examples of words that don't belong together:
Homosexual priests
Day care pedophiles
Honest crooks
Criminal cops
Retarded geniuses
Men with men
Women with women
Idols in church
Religion and politics
Hillary in the Whitehouse
OJ and innocence
We can all find ways to justify our sins. We can all say God says we should accept everyone so therefore everyone can do whatever they want and it's perfectly OK. We can also all sit back and blame everything bad in the world on God because He is an irresponsible Father. Wouldn't it be true that if you can thank God for all of the good in your life you can also blame Him for all of the bad? If all your father did was shower you with gifts and whenever you had trouble could never be found would you consider him irresponsible or a good father? In the bible God made his presence known. Has God perfomed any miracles in your lifetime? (Just remember if you say He did did you also lose soemeone to a horrible accident or disease? If you did why didn't he stop it?) I laugh when I hear "It's what God wants". I don't know about any of you but my God doesn't make people suffer for His own gain. The bottom line here is this world is on the fast track to self destruct. No one wants to be responsible for his or her own actions and they look to find ways and excuses to justify their actions. The catholic church is the best example of this. How anyone can respect the catholic religion is beyond me. This religion is responsible for more death and suffering than any other religion on the planet. WAKE UP!
Comment: Please give us the totals on Catholic suffering and death, compared to Muslim, Judaic and Hindu. I am curious about you method of measuring.
Comment: after reading the comments of others, I wonder how much more hate can be spewed out. I don't agree with covering up anything. I also don't agree with hateful responses in retaliation. For those who left the church because of things like this, you left because you wanted out. No human can destroy another person's faith unless the person gives permission. Catholic faith is not about a priest - it's about the Triune God and one who forgives and loves. "Forgive us our trespasses as WE forgive" In essence we ask God to forgive those the same way we forgive. May God forgive us all for being so judgemental.
Comment: This is not at all surprising, what else could you expect from Babylon the Great? She indeed is the great harlot and now her acts are openly exposed.
Comment: And the merchants of the sea will cry; "to bad, to bad, YOU GREAT CITY BABYLON, because in 1 hour your judgement has come". Good riddance to her'
Comment: wow. I've been reading all these comments and it just amazes me how both sides are. I don't care if a person is gay or not just as long as they don't force their rights against me so I end up losing my rights. Thats the problem with america these days, the government works for some of the people and not majority of the people. Communism is right around the corner for this country. Lets just quit adding more laws to this so called free country already. Lets end it here and now, and be gay, be straight, I DON'T CARE! Or I'm gonna start my straight white guy parade in the middle of New York. ENOUGH ALREADY!
Comment: That is just it- we HAVE no rights. Up until just a few years ago, we could be thrown in jail for having sex. Let's go over a few things you have as rights as a straight man:
a. You have the right to marry. This will allow your wife to visit you in the hospital- which we are NOT allowed, regardless of how long we are a couple.
b. Your wife is allowed to execute your last will and testament, and divvy up your Earthly possesions any way you deem fit. Because we can't marry, we are treated as joe Stranger off the street when it comes to this.
c. Because of your married status, you are allowed to huge tax breaks because of your union, and even more significant ones upon having children- while we get to pay twice the taxes.
d. In many states, and more are coming by the week- we are not allowed to adopt children, -keep in mind because of tax brackets, we also get to pay way more for schools than married couples, even though we have no kids in them- with many of the states changing adoption laws to ban any unmarried couples from adopting- a convenient way of discriminating against us without being so blatant.
So basically, gay people wanting equal rights is not about attacking people's religions and the church- it is about paying twice as much to be labeled by the Government as a second class citizen. Those are just a few reasons why gay people are pushing so hard for civil rights, much like Blacks had to in the 60's. If they would have sat back and waited for them, they NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEM. It isn't right, but that appears to be human nature- attack whatever is different and kill it. I do utmostly appreciate your tolerance toward us, the world needs many more like you. I figure the more people I point out the injustices I face every day, the more people will realize exactly how wrong gay people are treated in our society.
Comment: The answer is NO, to all your questions. If YOU get all these "rights", then they have to be awarded AT THE SAME TIME to polygamysts (myself I would love to have several wives), children-spouses (in my native country 12-year-olds can be concubines), and ANY or OTHER combinations and permutations that could possibly exist. Can you see the reason now? I hope so ...
Comment: I really don't understand how it is you figure polygamy is the same thing as a same sex marriage. It is the same damn thing you have, just everyone is focused on WHAT IS BETWEEN OUR LEGS. Nevermind the love, commitment, and journey of life we have been through together. As far as you mentioning being able to screw kids in your native country?? Sounds like there is a bit of jealousy there, doesn't it? Hmm.. We WILL get our rights- and there is NOTHING you can do to stop it. White men used to be able to legally own black folks here, but that too was deemed not right, unconstitutional, and outdated- just like you and your hypocrite bigot religion will be one day. You truly aren't following Jesus, Mr Judge..
Comment: So NO romance, love, togetherness, journey together for polygamists? for brother with brother? (My brother or sister and I do NOT have the same rights as a married couple, and all the above adjectives are present (except for the sex, watch out!). Why not? If you get those rights I want them too for whatever relationship I choose. On the meantime, forget it!). Did you know that the black slave owners in Africa sold their slaves to the Omanites, who sold them to Spaniards/Portuguese/British who sold them at nauseaum? Still the answer is NO.
Comment: Isn't is ironic that Catholics won't let FEMALES become priests because this is a MAN"S job!!! And they do it soooo well. You don't see the NUNS being brought up on SEX charges on a daily basis. Maybe these WONDERFUL MEN should let a WOMAN do the job. At least they would keep their skirts down. Bravo men, another example of how men screw up the world. I think the WRONG gender has always been in control!!
Comment: Why am I not surprised? The church is like a lot of the old boy fraternities. They cover for each other just like doctors, lawyers, etc. They only admit a mistake when it hits the press. I used to be a chatholic but the lies and cruelty drove me out.
Comment: Actually, you cannot say that. Read St. Paul's letter to the Romans and it will be very clear. Actually it is very hard to be a Catholic. To me, staying in the church shows strength of character ... And remember, the church is within YOU, not outside you. Like you say, outside is the club, the fraternity, .....
Comment: What part of NO don't they understand? Is HOMOSEXUALITY that powerful that they don't have, or understand, FEAR OF GOD? St. Paul, in his letter to the Romans, was, is and shall always be RIGHT. How imbecile!!!
Comment: *Sigh*.. I suppose in the not too distant future, there will be a group of sheep people that will beleive Stephen King is God, just because he wrote a good book. They may even commit mass murder over it, because others don't subscribe to his views. If you step outside of your Bible for a minute, and really analyze it, how can a rational, educated adult beleive any of it? It makes such ridiculous claims!! It is a WORK OF FICTION- that people with mental issues of extremism/ obsessive compulsive disorder- have taken WAY too far. If you were to take the same energy and time you spend spewing your religious hate, and do something else with it- like, oh- I dont know.. Donating some time helping at your local soup kitchen.. Or- being a role model to some youth today that REALLY need the guidance more than EVER.. THEN you would be making a positive and oops.. I said it.. CHRIST-LIKE difference. Get oyur head out of the clouds and do something that MATTERS!!
Comment: I AM doing something that matters. I am showing you the source and logic of the theme at hand. I didn't say read the whole Bible. I just said read a little letter that St. Paul wrote to the Romans. Just the first paragraphs. BTW it is an actual document, an affidavit, if you prefer, therefore you cannot easily dismiss it as a "fictional" document. let me know what you think of those first paragraphs.... This MATTERS.
Comment: Yeah.. OK.. There is also an "Affidavit" or "Document" out there- that confirms OJ didn't butcher his wife and her boyfriend to death- and this is in the course of MY lifetime, not 2000+ years ago. We all KNOW it isn't the truth, just because it is in an official document. The same people that penned the Bible also thought the Earth was flat and that you would fall off it if you sailed too far, thought it was alright to stone their kids to death if they disobeyed, thought Influenza was an evil thing brought about by the Devil.. and so MANY other things I could go on and on about for days. Science proves more and more of it wrong and invalid all the time. I personally beleive in evidence that is in plain, unhindered sight- right in front of me, if you will- and can be PROVEN- I will take that ANY day over fairytale poison. Keep right on drinking your Christian Republican Kool Aid. Having sex with a woman because it gives you a kid is no less filthy and dirty than commiting the same act with a man.
Comment: You are "deviating" ....My duty is, since the moment you decided to contest my opinion, to inform you of an omnipresent truth. It's up to you to act on the info or not. You have been informed. BTW the rectum is NOT a sexual organ. The nerves it has is to signal the brain that the body is defecating. Actually a masterpiece of design by our creator. Any other use is known in the whole world (2007+) as contra-natura. Good luck. Information delivered!
Comment: Ok.. Since I am not sure if you are a man or a woman (probably both.. Judging by your angst and mental illness..) let's just say no one has ever given or received any anal or oral in your union. Don't lie!! That's what i thought. You are a sinner. and if you claim to have not ever done this, I will call you a liar. What about masturbation? Never did this? Liar. Ever had sex outside of the several day window when conception is possible? Ever use contraception? Then you were having sex strictly for physical pleasure, and that makes you a sinner, going against your ficitonal God. I KNOW you are guilty of all of these- because everyone is. Whoever beleives that anyone is going to give up sex completely including masturbation to become a Priest is a FOOL- you are opening up a door for just such a scenario- ESPECIALLY when you are talking about a man! BTW- man can reach orgasm from anal stimulation, men have a G-spot the same as women. If this weren't the case, and they didn't receive pleasure from it, why do millions- if not billions- take part in it? Your whole rhetoric and beleifs are of a dying nature- logic is slowly making you extinct.
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Comment: The explanations is simple.
Homosexuals (deviates) have infiltrated the church.
Easy access to other men and to children.
Comment: OH MY GOD!! THE CHURCH IS UNDER ATTACK BY A BUNCH OF RABID ARMED GAYS!! Give me a break.. The church and Christianity are about as under attack as the Earth is by aliens. Whoever would beleive this is TRULY living in a fairytale. Oh yeah, and it's "deviant" not "deviate"- go back to school- or are you too busy being brainwashed in Church??
Comment: Welcome! I love it when some "one" wants to tangle with me. deviate is also a NOUN!
A noun
1 pervert, deviant, deviate, degenerate
a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior.
My PhD in BioMedEngrng. is paying off!
I thought I provided a simple explanation. You CANNOT be -SEXUAL if you want to be admitted in the priesthood. This means no HOMO-SEXUALS, HETERO-SEXUALS, BI-SEXUALS. (period).
If you falsely vow celibacy, and gain access to the priesthood so you can practice sexually with a woman, or another man, of any age, then you have INFILTRATED the organization. Clear now?
Rabid armed gays can easily be taken care of. The infiltrators are much more "dangerous" if you know what I mean.
Comment: "Deviant" is the label applied to a person. "Deviate" is an action, as in to deviate from the norm. I would like to know who made up this rule as to what is "acceptable" in sexual terms- I am NOT a deviant. I am sure whoever penned this rule was probably a religious whack job like you, who wrote it while he was fingering all the kids in his parish. I also don't give a rat's ass about your all-important "Phd"- because THAT is just another damn piece of paper that justifies you to do a sit on your ass job that means NOTHING in the scheme of what makes the world go round. I am going to bed now, to rest for my REAL job tonight.
Comment: You missed the definition I got for you from Merriam. You are deviating again. PhD means I'm DONE with school. It also means don't argue in "school" terms ... The them is the Catholic church, a Religious organization. If you don't believe in a religion, what the hell are you doing here, then? Fortunately I saved you from wasting my time. You have been informed. You'll know what this means when the time comes. Aren't you going to be a little too early? Lucky you, a lot of people don't have a home, a bed to go to .......
Comment: PhD means your are a pompous, overeducated jackass- something the world could do with less of. Funny how my English is more correct than yours, and I am only a High School grad. Go figure. You shouldn't have wasted your time in college, apparently your brain still wan't big enough.
Comment: Everybody sins! Man of God choose smoking and leave homosexuality to those that don't know the word!!!!
Comment: Everyone sins! Man of God choose smoking and leave the homosexuality to those that don't know the word!
Comment: It is a shame that we have created a reputation on ourselves, have we ever heard of straight pride day, must we always rub our sexual preference in everyones faces?
Comment: I subscribe to this opinion wholeheartedly- I am sick and tired of having to defend the way i am because of other gay people making a horrible reputation for those of us that KNOW how to behave and conduct ourselves. My findings are, no one really cares that I am gay, because I am a moral and decent person, that helps out others whenever I can, even those that probably don't deserve it. It has cost me alot of greif, money, and lost sleep over the years- and if i caould go back and change any of it, I wouldn't. THAT is the whole foundation of Christianity, and I am an Atheist! Perhaps that is what it takes- crawling outside the box and really looking at oneself- before you can get the real picture.., If you can make a positive change is someone's life, do it. If you are able, take advantage of your ability to do so- it is a gift, although it can seem like a curse until you figure it out. It will come back to you, mosly in vague means, but people will remember you long after you are gone, and that is the biggest reason to do it at all. That is why Jesus is still so popular today!! It is a shame that people warp things and do such harm to others in his name.
Comment: The saddest part of all this is that the Pope and the Vatican are still being taken seriously by anyone regarding their 'moral authority.' Starting from the beginning, they have persecuted and murdered millions of people, beyond the Crusades, Inquisition or Nazi support. Their actions towards women, gays and the poor speak volumes while their words prove empty and hypocritical. Much of the world already recognizes this fact; all of us will be better off when the Vatican's wealth is taxed and dramatically reduced while its power is simultaneously diminished.
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Comment: Its a shame how the men of God is making the catholics church look like.It is poor judgement and i believe that they need to get rid of him and the rest of them. it is nothing wrong with who you want to see in your personal life. But dont preach the word and dont live by it. Its your personal business who you fall in love with.But to bring it to the church house is very wrong
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Comment: If we are made in gods image, why are we always doubting his word? It is the image of the Catholic church we should be doubting, in regards to all the hype regarding pediphilia, is it our fault? Do we need to brush this aside, like the way al the abuse was brushed aside for years? Priests being sent to other assignments to hide the truth, does the truth really set us free?
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"That's the position the Vatican, still trying to deal with the long-running fallout from pedophile priests, finds itself in after the official, Monsignor Tommaso Stenico...was filmed during an encounter with a youth he was reported to have met on a gay Internet chat room."
"Film, filming, filmed" are all words that refer to practice of capturing images on motion picture film. Motion picture film is unknown to many today, who were raised in the video generation.
Motion picture film is a strip of "plastic," that has had a light-sensitive, chemical coating (emulsion) applied to it, much like the 35mm film used in conventional still cameras (that are falling increasingly in popularity due to digital still cameras).
Motion picture film is so expensive to purchase, process, edit, and duplicate, that it is almost never utilized in "sting" operations.
Almost certainly, the sting utilized a video camera. Video cameras surprisingly record on videotape, hard drives, DVDs, and Panasonic P-2 cards, electronically. There is no "film" involved.
One would think that folks in the media, on the Internet, and producing "news" would better educate themselves so that they would know the difference between videotaping an event and "filming" an event.
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Comment: Why would God Almighty care about who you fall in love with, or sleep with for the purpose? It is time for human kind to drop all this man-created non sense that disguised as religion leads us into denial, self-rejection and intolerance in the name of God. The continuous manipulation of our concience only happens because we allow so.
Comment: I also believe that revival is around the corner.. but it will be truly orchestrated by the Lord's hand its not going to look like what we think or want it to be. When I read the book of Acts.. shoot..thats serious stuff. God is awesome! And these are not myths. People are so determined to turn away from truth that they become hardened of heart. A hard heart cannot receive the truth. There are none so blind as them that would not see. There IS The forgiveness of God of course! But you CAN NOT appropriate forgiveness from SIN if you don't REPENT of it! People want forgiveness of sin without some acknowledgement that they are WRONG. Repentance IS the open door to receiving forgiveness. Forgiveness doesn't just jump on you and enter like osmosis. JEsus said "REPENT for the Kingdom of God is at hand" . At hand meaning "Its so close to you, its right beside you, but you cannot receive it unless you repent."
The revival that is coming is one of Holiness, fire and it will bring division. No more lukewarmness. You are either Hot or Cold towards the Lord. No more fence straddling. Its going to be painful to alot, but "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet lose his own soul?" Is it worth the cost? This is what we are all asking. I dont' want to be passed by when the Lord shows up mighty. I intend to be in the Kingdom of Light, and with his absolute help and guidance, and my absolute dependancy on him I will. "Who is this coming up out of the wilderness leaning on her beloved??" without him we can do nothing.
Comment: come out of her! http://www.pro-gospel.org/ http://www.gnfc.org/ http://www.gotquestions.org/catholicism.html http://www.exposingsatanism.org/false_religions.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/false_religions.htm#rc
Comment: So old is this "YOUNG man?" Notice how this article plays on the "pedophilia" angle. Amazing. Indeed amazing! Furthermore, I would like to know who the "some" are this author speaks of, when insinuating that the Church only dealt with this because it was exposed by the media. It seems to me that certain parts of the media take a lot of enjoyment in pointing out INDIVIDUALS who fail to live up to Catholic teaching in an effort to discredit the authoritative Church teaching.
Comment: Here we go again.. A topic like this, and all the nasty and lewd gays come on here and really degrade the whole gay community with their ridiculous profanity, and proud professions of sex with hundreds of people.. I wonder how AIDS is spread?? Hmmm. I will have to think of that one for a minute.. If you want acceptance of being gay or ***, tyr not being such a militant about it, Everyone I know knows I am gay, including several far right Church people I know... and you know what? NOBODY CARES.. It is simply because I carry and conduct myself in a fashion that is appropriate for old ladies and kids alike. The mainstream poulous I find, has no real problem with us if we are not ridiculous and nasty with it. That's my take. -Josh
Comment: Amen, Josh... finally someone who makes sense... my orientation is part of who I am, but not my sole defining trait.
Comment: I hear ya- I don't know how it is that some of us gays can prance around in the public streets, wearing nothing but a leather G-string, making out with every guy that will let them, making sexual gestures to all of them, in front of kids and the general public, and expect people to say " oh, it's ok- that's the way he was made.." that is NOT going to happen, and it SHOULDN'T.. San Francisco, as far as I am concerned, and all the crap they pull up there, has set us back decades if not longer in making our case. You will never see me at one of those ridiculous, lewd, and unacceptable events.
Comment: So old is this "YOUNG man?" Notice how this article plays on the "pedophilia" angle. Amazing. Indeed amazing! Furthermore, I would like to know who the "some" are this author speaks of, when insinuating that the Church only dealt with this because it was exposed by the media. It seems to me that certain parts of the media take a lot of enjoyment in pointing out INDIVIDUALS who fail to live up to Catholic teaching in an effort to discredit the authoritative Church teaching.
Comment: Love does not mean that you don't tell people the truth about what is killing them. Love does not mean "hey its ok to keep doing what your doing even though its a sin." I'm not saying people don't struggle with sin.THey DO. The thing is that you can't get free of the chains if you don't HATE your sin and want to be free of it. We live in a world where people want their SIN celebrated and they want to make excuses of it. They don't see it as something that the Lord died to set them free from. They have the wrong theology. If people think that God is up there celebrating sin, throwing fiestas and crowing people who cling to it, then people are absolutely not even aware of the truth of God. Grace does not mean "Lets celebrate sin" It means, you now have a chance to turn your back on the darkness of the flesh and walk into a total newness of life. I don't understand where people are getting their theology. They have turned the truth of God into something it is not. This makes no sense. Thats one of the biggest problems with people No one is willing to stand for truth. Truth that sets people free. Because its tough love, and everyone wants to be placated like spoiled children. No one wants to die to self. No one wants sin to be defined for them. No one wants to be told they are absolutely wrong. In how they are living, that they live in offense towards the Lord and that its unacceptable. The Sacrifice of Christ did not "buy" us a ticket to continue to sin. It bought us a ticket OUT OF IT. The thing is, we as humans really don't hate sin. We really like it. But no one wants to speak the truth. People will perish due to this. REAL love, is normally TOUGH, NOT PERMISSIVE love! And thats what we want.. permissive candy coated parenting from the Lord. We won't get it. No one wants to be transformed.. we are to be transformed into the likeness of Christ. That means WE DIE WITH HIM. So we are RAISED with him.
Comment: I wanted to take a moment to say Thanks to both gigglewasser and julioc for your comments here. You've both blessed me, and I look forward to meeting you in Heaven where the sins of this world (of which we are all guilty, and ANY sin is enough to separate you from God) will be washed away. Only there can we be as God intended from the beginning -- worshipping Him of our own free will. Triangle, I was a client of an openly gay man (he was my hairdresser, no lie) for almost 6 years. I respected his talents and looked forward to our chats where we'd catch up on what had been happening in each other's lives. He probably thought as you do...that I didn't "care" about his homosexuality. I do care, and I've prayed for him often. We moved to another state, so I no longer see him, but I will continue to pray for him, and I will add you and road_toad666 to my list. I'll pray for God's love to call you to Him. That's it. I don't need to ask for anything more specific...He already knows you, and loves you, and He'll do what's best in the end even when we don't understand it in the beginning or the middle.
Comment: Amen, Humans don't want truth, we want self satisfaction! The time for TRUTH is now! GOD=TRUTH
