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  • Posted By: Iceman @ 10/19/2007 12:13:52 PM

    Homosexuality is a sin to Christians of many denominations. The priest is definitely wrong and should be ex-communicated at a minimum.
    This new tolerance movement that has been going on for years, that all people are equal, is degrading our society. I do not know, how as a society, that we let social immorality like homosexuality and pedophiles have equal rights. It was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve! It's appalling that we are teaching our kids to accept wicca, homosexuality, drug use.....

    • Posted By: pupuguru @ 10/19/2007 2:12:55 PM

      What does Wicca, a spiritual practice, have to do with the Vatican, pedophiles, homosexuality or priests? Wiccans have an unbroken line of practice and worship far older the ant Church. You sound like a bigot of several sorts.

    • Posted By: pupuguru @ 10/19/2007 2:09:22 PM

      Wicca was around long before the Church, it is an ancient religious practice--nothing to do with morality per se. You seem to be a bit of a bigot!

  • Posted By: rileyt64 @ 10/19/2007 2:05:39 PM

    I find it interesting that these conversations keep coming up. Why are pedophiles and homosexuals spoken of as if they are one and the same. I personally find it to be offensive.

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  • Posted By: Omahkohkiaayo @ 10/19/2007 1:09:38 PM

    My daughter was thrown out of a Catholic school at 9 years old for callinfg the Pope a liar. When I asked the teacher what she had said, she said that my daughter said that "The Holy Father tells us to confess our sins and to try to make things right with those we sinned against but he protects the molester priests." (Note: several Cardinals like Law from Boston, involved in playing musical pedophiles and rotating priests to different parishes to hide them from exposure and the law have all been promoted and like Law are even in the Vatican out of the reach of the law).

    Just imagine the following confession: Father forgive me it has been some time since my last confession. The thing is, my sins are too embarrassing for me to really get into specifics; plus, those I have sinned against may litigate and if I admit my sins and try to make amends with them, I could get sued in addition to being exposed as a total hypocrite. So here is the deal Father, could I get a sort of generic forgiveness for all sins plast, present and even for the future in case some of my sins come home to roost and cause future victims?

  • Posted By: Omahkohkiaayo @ 10/19/2007 1:08:41 PM

    My daughter was thrown out of a Catholic school at 9 years old for callinfg the Pope a liar. When I asked the teacher what she had said, she said that my daughter said that "The Holy Father tells us to confess our sins and to try to make things right with those we sinned against but he protects the molester priests." (Note: several Cardinals like Law from Boston, involved in playing musical pedophiles and rotating priests to different parishes to hide them from exposure and the law have all been promoted and like Law are even in the Vatican out of the reach of the law).

    Just imagine the following confession: Father forgive me it has been some time since my last confession. The thing is, my sins are too embarrassing for me to really get into specifics; plus, those I have sinned against may litigate and if I admit my sins and try to make amends with them, I could get sued in addition to being exposed as a total hypocrite. So here is the deal Father, could I get a sort of generic forgiveness for all sins plast, present and even for the future in case some of my sins come home to roost and cause future victims?

  • Posted By: Iceman @ 10/19/2007 12:21:48 PM

    In Christianity, homosexuality is considered a sin. The priest was wrong and should be ex-communicated at a bare minimum.
    I agree that if we give certain privileges to same sex unions/marriages, then other groups will demand the same. I can see on CNN (in the future) pedophiles demanding rights. This new tolerance that is taught in our society is full of immorality. Not all groups are equal, and they shouldn't be given certain rights. If you are a freakshow (wicca, homosexual, pedophile, ....), then you should not be given those rights. It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!

  • Posted By: my lord @ 10/19/2007 11:36:19 AM

    judge not but something hsve to be done with these people whether it be pastor priest or anyboby.God church surpose to be a house where we go to worship god, i see why alot of people are not going to church anymore we don,t know who to trust i know we can trust god and know one else put thet are there to lead and guide us to god,but these poeple are making god church look in away he is not please with.

  • Posted By: gigglewasser @ 10/18/2007 5:57:52 PM

    I'm so glad they are exposing this stuff. This is not the Body of Christ.. Exposure is coming from every corner. Whether Catholic or Protestant. The Lord is Holy. He has no qualms about exposing and purifying his church. His TRUE believers. The Lord says that if we are to follow him we cast off those things that are sinful. The Lord does not dwell in the presence of flagrant sin and whether or not "Mankind" considers something is sin or not, has absolutely nothing to do with what GOD considers sin. And his opinion is all that matters. Man has been "ruling" the church for too long. The Church doesn't understand that "Lion-ship" of Jesus Christ. They still have him as a baby is swaddling clothes. He hates sin and he will burn up anything that keeps us from walking in purity and holiness before him. To hell with what the World says about "this is sin and this is not sin" they don't even read the bible. And apparently alot in the church don't either. A split is coming. Those who will follow God WILL. And those who pacify their own flesh, will fall by the wayside. Choices must be made. I'm glad this was exposed. These kinds of things across the board are cancer. Sin is Cancer.
    Cancer, cancer , cancer, cancer. What kind of fool looks at his tumor and says "ooh pretty.. I think i'll keep it!" Wtf...

    • Posted By: triangle @ 10/18/2007 6:06:52 PM

      I am at peace with my conception of God. I pray regularly, and I know that God loves me, regardless of my sexual orientation. I hurt no one. My partner and I are both well beyond the age of consent. And I would NEVER presume to dictate which of my fellow human beings are hell-bound dependent on who they choose to spend their life with. BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN! God created me! He would not have created me gay if it was wrong!!!

      • Posted By: truthsabitterpill @ 10/19/2007 10:21:42 AM

        When you say "god loves me" you are really saying that you love yourself, and that is a good thing, and when you say that BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN you are pointing out that your lifestyle has nothing to do with a god. Don't let religious dogma guilt you into feeling bad about your sexual orientation. You are instead a humanist with only the thought of equality for all humans as the dogma we should all follow. You are right, if there was a god and he made you they way you are - being gay would be just the way he wante dyou.

    • Posted By: mbronner @ 10/18/2007 6:06:05 PM

      I found an image of Mary in my friends tumor, and Catholic came from miles around to exclaim how amazing it was watching Mary get bigger and bigger until the friend died from it. Oh well, I guess it was just God's will.

  • Posted By: newshound44 @ 10/19/2007 10:09:59 AM

    This is awful. Pedophilia is a crime. Homosexuality should not be equated with pedophilia. This is simply a case of a disgusting man using his power of the cloth to take advantage of youngsters who are questioning their identity. Throw the book at him.

  • Posted By: el_cuate @ 10/19/2007 9:21:50 AM

    I think this is very disgusting... a priest!! not cool son!!!

  • Posted By: tahoedennis @ 10/19/2007 8:58:35 AM

    Priests are only human and the celibacy rule is ridiculous. They should be allowed to have relationships. Cathloic rules have been changed in the past and could be changed again. Eventually it will happen. Why not now?

  • Posted By: gigglewasser @ 10/18/2007 6:09:35 PM

    Love does not mean that you don't tell people the truth about what is killing them. Love does not mean "hey its ok to keep doing what your doing even though its a sin." I'm not saying people don't struggle with sin.THey DO. The thing is that you can't get free of the chains if you don't HATE your sin and want to be free of it. We live in a world where people want their SIN celebrated and they want to make excuses of it. They don't see it as something that the Lord died to set them free from. They have the wrong theology. If people think that God is up there celebrating sin, throwing fiestas and crowing people who cling to it, then people are absolutely not even aware of the truth of God. Grace does not mean "Lets celebrate sin" It means, you now have a chance to turn your back on the darkness of the flesh and walk into a total newness of life. I don't understand where people are getting their theology. They have turned the truth of God into something it is not. This makes no sense. Thats one of the biggest problems with people No one is willing to stand for truth. Truth that sets people free. Because its tough love, and everyone wants to be placated like spoiled children. No one wants to die to self. No one wants sin to be defined for them. No one wants to be told they are absolutely wrong. In how they are living, that they live in offense towards the Lord and that its unacceptable. The Sacrifice of Christ did not "buy" us a ticket to continue to sin. It bought us a ticket OUT OF IT. The thing is, we as humans really don't hate sin. We really like it. But no one wants to speak the truth. People will perish due to this. REAL love, is normally TOUGH, NOT PERMISSIVE love! And thats what we want.. permissive candy coated parenting from the Lord. We won't get it. No one wants to be transformed.. we are to be transformed into the likeness of Christ. That means WE DIE WITH HIM. So we are RAISED with him.

    • Posted By: Keirnan @ 10/19/2007 12:07:08 AM

      I wanted to take a moment to say Thanks to both gigglewasser and julioc for your comments here. You've both blessed me, and I look forward to meeting you in Heaven where the sins of this world (of which we are all guilty, and ANY sin is enough to separate you from God) will be washed away. Only there can we be as God intended from the beginning -- worshipping Him of our own free will. Triangle, I was a client of an openly gay man (he was my hairdresser, no lie) for almost 6 years. I respected his talents and looked forward to our chats where we'd catch up on what had been happening in each other's lives. He probably thought as you do...that I didn't "care" about his homosexuality. I do care, and I've prayed for him often. We moved to another state, so I no longer see him, but I will continue to pray for him, and I will add you and road_toad666 to my list. I'll pray for God's love to call you to Him. That's it. I don't need to ask for anything more specific...He already knows you, and loves you, and He'll do what's best in the end even when we don't understand it in the beginning or the middle.

    • Posted By: rashaad97 @ 10/18/2007 6:42:59 PM

      Amen, Humans don't want truth, we want self satisfaction! The time for TRUTH is now! GOD=TRUTH

    • Posted By: mbronner @ 10/18/2007 6:12:29 PM

      There isn't another human being that understand a word you said, but I would kill for your right to say it.

  • Posted By: HammerMech @ 10/18/2007 6:54:28 PM

    This is not at all surprising, what else could you expect from Babylon the Great? She indeed is the great harlot and now her acts are openly exposed.

    • Posted By: Set_Us_Free @ 10/18/2007 11:19:59 PM

      And the merchants of the sea will cry; "to bad, to bad, YOU GREAT CITY BABYLON, because in 1 hour your judgement has come". Good riddance to her'

  • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 8:28:06 PM

    No excuse. Catholic priests who take the vows, have NO excuse if they break them. Considering that they are completely aware of the consequences, (even in thought alone) it is incredible that they still break them.
    What are they thinking? Still, I met "pillars" of religion. Undeviant, strong, true character....

  • Posted By: Enterprise33 @ 10/18/2007 6:54:19 PM

    wow. I've been reading all these comments and it just amazes me how both sides are. I don't care if a person is gay or not just as long as they don't force their rights against me so I end up losing my rights. Thats the problem with america these days, the government works for some of the people and not majority of the people. Communism is right around the corner for this country. Lets just quit adding more laws to this so called free country already. Lets end it here and now, and be gay, be straight, I DON'T CARE! Or I'm gonna start my straight white guy parade in the middle of New York. ENOUGH ALREADY!

    • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 7:18:55 PM

      That is just it- we HAVE no rights. Up until just a few years ago, we could be thrown in jail for having sex. Let's go over a few things you have as rights as a straight man:
      a. You have the right to marry. This will allow your wife to visit you in the hospital- which we are NOT allowed, regardless of how long we are a couple.

      b. Your wife is allowed to execute your last will and testament, and divvy up your Earthly possesions any way you deem fit. Because we can't marry, we are treated as joe Stranger off the street when it comes to this.

      c. Because of your married status, you are allowed to huge tax breaks because of your union, and even more significant ones upon having children- while we get to pay twice the taxes.

      d. In many states, and more are coming by the week- we are not allowed to adopt children, -keep in mind because of tax brackets, we also get to pay way more for schools than married couples, even though we have no kids in them- with many of the states changing adoption laws to ban any unmarried couples from adopting- a convenient way of discriminating against us without being so blatant.

      So basically, gay people wanting equal rights is not about attacking people's religions and the church- it is about paying twice as much to be labeled by the Government as a second class citizen. Those are just a few reasons why gay people are pushing so hard for civil rights, much like Blacks had to in the 60's. If they would have sat back and waited for them, they NEVER WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEM. It isn't right, but that appears to be human nature- attack whatever is different and kill it. I do utmostly appreciate your tolerance toward us, the world needs many more like you. I figure the more people I point out the injustices I face every day, the more people will realize exactly how wrong gay people are treated in our society.

      • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 7:30:52 PM

        The answer is NO, to all your questions. If YOU get all these "rights", then they have to be awarded AT THE SAME TIME to polygamysts (myself I would love to have several wives), children-spouses (in my native country 12-year-olds can be concubines), and ANY or OTHER combinations and permutations that could possibly exist. Can you see the reason now? I hope so ...

        • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 7:50:27 PM

          I really don't understand how it is you figure polygamy is the same thing as a same sex marriage. It is the same damn thing you have, just everyone is focused on WHAT IS BETWEEN OUR LEGS. Nevermind the love, commitment, and journey of life we have been through together. As far as you mentioning being able to screw kids in your native country?? Sounds like there is a bit of jealousy there, doesn't it? Hmm.. We WILL get our rights- and there is NOTHING you can do to stop it. White men used to be able to legally own black folks here, but that too was deemed not right, unconstitutional, and outdated- just like you and your hypocrite bigot religion will be one day. You truly aren't following Jesus, Mr Judge..

          • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 8:15:08 PM

            So NO romance, love, togetherness, journey together for polygamists? for brother with brother? (My brother or sister and I do NOT have the same rights as a married couple, and all the above adjectives are present (except for the sex, watch out!). Why not? If you get those rights I want them too for whatever relationship I choose. On the meantime, forget it!). Did you know that the black slave owners in Africa sold their slaves to the Omanites, who sold them to Spaniards/Portuguese/British who sold them at nauseaum? Still the answer is NO.

  • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 6:37:47 PM

    The explanations is simple.
    Homosexuals (deviates) have infiltrated the church.
    Easy access to other men and to children.

    • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 6:52:24 PM

      OH MY GOD!! THE CHURCH IS UNDER ATTACK BY A BUNCH OF RABID ARMED GAYS!! Give me a break.. The church and Christianity are about as under attack as the Earth is by aliens. Whoever would beleive this is TRULY living in a fairytale. Oh yeah, and it's "deviant" not "deviate"- go back to school- or are you too busy being brainwashed in Church??

      • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 7:11:01 PM

        Welcome! I love it when some "one" wants to tangle with me. deviate is also a NOUN!
        A noun
        1 pervert, deviant, deviate, degenerate
        a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior.
        My PhD in BioMedEngrng. is paying off!
        I thought I provided a simple explanation. You CANNOT be -SEXUAL if you want to be admitted in the priesthood. This means no HOMO-SEXUALS, HETERO-SEXUALS, BI-SEXUALS. (period).
        If you falsely vow celibacy, and gain access to the priesthood so you can practice sexually with a woman, or another man, of any age, then you have INFILTRATED the organization. Clear now?
        Rabid armed gays can easily be taken care of. The infiltrators are much more "dangerous" if you know what I mean.

        • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 7:38:31 PM

          "Deviant" is the label applied to a person. "Deviate" is an action, as in to deviate from the norm. I would like to know who made up this rule as to what is "acceptable" in sexual terms- I am NOT a deviant. I am sure whoever penned this rule was probably a religious whack job like you, who wrote it while he was fingering all the kids in his parish. I also don't give a rat's ass about your all-important "Phd"- because THAT is just another damn piece of paper that justifies you to do a sit on your ass job that means NOTHING in the scheme of what makes the world go round. I am going to bed now, to rest for my REAL job tonight.

          • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 8:00:16 PM

            You missed the definition I got for you from Merriam. You are deviating again. PhD means I'm DONE with school. It also means don't argue in "school" terms ... The them is the Catholic church, a Religious organization. If you don't believe in a religion, what the hell are you doing here, then? Fortunately I saved you from wasting my time. You have been informed. You'll know what this means when the time comes. Aren't you going to be a little too early? Lucky you, a lot of people don't have a home, a bed to go to .......

            • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 8:11:52 PM

              PhD means your are a pompous, overeducated jackass- something the world could do with less of. Funny how my English is more correct than yours, and I am only a High School grad. Go figure. You shouldn't have wasted your time in college, apparently your brain still wan't big enough.

  • Posted By: Bob1964 @ 10/18/2007 8:10:42 PM

    It's OK. Everything is OK. Do whatever you want whenever you want and don't you worry cause there is no hell. EVERYONE goes to heaven. There are no penalties for wrongdoing. This is the word of God.

  • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 6:46:32 PM

    What part of NO don't they understand? Is HOMOSEXUALITY that powerful that they don't have, or understand, FEAR OF GOD? St. Paul, in his letter to the Romans, was, is and shall always be RIGHT. How imbecile!!!

    • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 7:02:21 PM

      *Sigh*.. I suppose in the not too distant future, there will be a group of sheep people that will beleive Stephen King is God, just because he wrote a good book. They may even commit mass murder over it, because others don't subscribe to his views. If you step outside of your Bible for a minute, and really analyze it, how can a rational, educated adult beleive any of it? It makes such ridiculous claims!! It is a WORK OF FICTION- that people with mental issues of extremism/ obsessive compulsive disorder- have taken WAY too far. If you were to take the same energy and time you spend spewing your religious hate, and do something else with it- like, oh- I dont know.. Donating some time helping at your local soup kitchen.. Or- being a role model to some youth today that REALLY need the guidance more than EVER.. THEN you would be making a positive and oops.. I said it.. CHRIST-LIKE difference. Get oyur head out of the clouds and do something that MATTERS!!

      • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 7:17:12 PM

        I AM doing something that matters. I am showing you the source and logic of the theme at hand. I didn't say read the whole Bible. I just said read a little letter that St. Paul wrote to the Romans. Just the first paragraphs. BTW it is an actual document, an affidavit, if you prefer, therefore you cannot easily dismiss it as a "fictional" document. let me know what you think of those first paragraphs.... This MATTERS.

        • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 7:31:13 PM

          Yeah.. OK.. There is also an "Affidavit" or "Document" out there- that confirms OJ didn't butcher his wife and her boyfriend to death- and this is in the course of MY lifetime, not 2000+ years ago. We all KNOW it isn't the truth, just because it is in an official document. The same people that penned the Bible also thought the Earth was flat and that you would fall off it if you sailed too far, thought it was alright to stone their kids to death if they disobeyed, thought Influenza was an evil thing brought about by the Devil.. and so MANY other things I could go on and on about for days. Science proves more and more of it wrong and invalid all the time. I personally beleive in evidence that is in plain, unhindered sight- right in front of me, if you will- and can be PROVEN- I will take that ANY day over fairytale poison. Keep right on drinking your Christian Republican Kool Aid. Having sex with a woman because it gives you a kid is no less filthy and dirty than commiting the same act with a man.

          • Posted By: julioc @ 10/18/2007 7:46:26 PM

            You are "deviating" ....My duty is, since the moment you decided to contest my opinion, to inform you of an omnipresent truth. It's up to you to act on the info or not. You have been informed. BTW the rectum is NOT a sexual organ. The nerves it has is to signal the brain that the body is defecating. Actually a masterpiece of design by our creator. Any other use is known in the whole world (2007+) as contra-natura. Good luck. Information delivered!

            • Posted By: road_toad666 @ 10/18/2007 8:02:53 PM

              Ok.. Since I am not sure if you are a man or a woman (probably both.. Judging by your angst and mental illness..) let's just say no one has ever given or received any anal or oral in your union. Don't lie!! That's what i thought. You are a sinner. and if you claim to have not ever done this, I will call you a liar. What about masturbation? Never did this? Liar. Ever had sex outside of the several day window when conception is possible? Ever use contraception? Then you were having sex strictly for physical pleasure, and that makes you a sinner, going against your ficitonal God. I KNOW you are guilty of all of these- because everyone is. Whoever beleives that anyone is going to give up sex completely including masturbation to become a Priest is a FOOL- you are opening up a door for just such a scenario- ESPECIALLY when you are talking about a man! BTW- man can reach orgasm from anal stimulation, men have a G-spot the same as women. If this weren't the case, and they didn't receive pleasure from it, why do millions- if not billions- take part in it? Your whole rhetoric and beleifs are of a dying nature- logic is slowly making you extinct.

  • Posted By: tony01 @ 10/18/2007 7:03:58 PM

    after reading the comments of others, I wonder how much more hate can be spewed out. I don't agree with covering up anything. I also don't agree with hateful responses in retaliation. For those who left the church because of things like this, you left because you wanted out. No human can destroy another person's faith unless the person gives permission. Catholic faith is not about a priest - it's about the Triune God and one who forgives and loves. "Forgive us our trespasses as WE forgive" In essence we ask God to forgive those the same way we forgive. May God forgive us all for being so judgemental.

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