back to Bob1964's post, it came in at 3:21:25. One thing you forgot to mention Bob, they used religion to justify slavery here in America, religion was the pretext for them invading the middle east to convert those "bad" muslims into christianity. you couldn't comprehend how many people were slaughtered as a result of that b s premise. Another chapter in history where they used religion to justify their sadistic ambitions was one of the darkest in recorded human history. when you know who came over in october 1492 and stuck a sword in the ground and proclaimed "In the name of king ferdinad and queen isabella, and GOD i proclaim this territory for spain. all this despite the over 150 million people that were on this side of the world. they say this was paradise back then especially those west indies jamaica cuba all these places were clean pure and pristine. those indians were living well, until these animals came. Dirty Dogs, over 10 million African wound up at the bottom of the Atlantic, the indians were virtually exterminated wiped out, and we have the nerve to confront other countries about human rights violations, are you kidding me? over 50 million africans were forcibly removed from africa, all these people suffered the likes you couldn't possibly comprehend, all in the name of religion, don't get me wrong i love religion in its pure form, which is about love and understanding, that was the original intent, but along the way from King James and his socalled version all the way up til now people have manipulated that book (bible) these people when they came and conquered the americas, it was brutal, you would stick your head in the sand if you knew what these people went thru, dirty dogs! over 42 nations were created out of that, the indians were subjected to genocide and eliminated and a whole new race of people was created - latinos. All in the name of reliogion if i had my way i would do all of em bury em dig em up and do em again, dirty dogs, they're all demagogues.
sounds like you are confusing religion with money
To the people who commented that priests should be allowed to marry, do you really think marriage is the answer? If one is gay, no marriage will change that male or female. If they molest children, well, no marrying will ever change that, just look at the married men and women in prison serving time for just that...get real people. If an adult chooses the opposite sex and is willing to live with that, then only God can judge, if we live by everything the bibles says re anything, the the bible says JUDGE YE NOT LEST YE SHALL BE JUDGED ALSO. So, save yourselves and pray for your brothers and sisters salvation. AMEN.
I am not a Catholic but I do believe in God. My biggest dream in the world is to be able to read from the original 10 Commandment Stones and understand what they really mean. Over the years, the bible has been interpretted by thousands of people and we really don't know which version is right. I don't know if the people who are interpretting the bible really know the language that was spoken back then. The priest in questions seems to be soliciting sex from a young man. The article didn't state if the young man was a minor or not. But no matter how you look at it, it was wrong. ANY PERSON WHO HAS SEX WITH AN UNDERAGE CHILD OR MOLESTS THE CHILD, SHOULD GO TO PRISON. Why are the priests above the law? If it was consentual sex between an 18 year old and a 17 year old, that would be different. But this is a 60 year old man soliciting a known homosexual young man for sex. What's wrong with this picture?
Just for the record, the pedophiles are typically NOT gay, but rather claim to be straight. The Catholic church needs to open it's eyes. Simply because someone leads a normal life with a spouse and a family, doesn't make them any less qualified to teach the word of God. With the questions arising regarding the possible marriage between Jesus and Mary Magdaline, who are they kidding anyway. They are priests, messengers to spread the good word, they are not Gods. The expectations are unrealistic. Perhaps this is why church attendance is down and why the youth in our society no longer have any respect for organized religion.
It was a fictional book...........goodness people, movies are not real!
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As a Catholic, I believe that there would be less problems if we allowed our priests to marry. I think that, although some of the priests are homosexual, many of them are looking for an outlet for sexual tension and feel that a homosexual relationship is more likely to remain private. There is still such a stigma against homosexuals so many people still keep their sexual preferences a secret. If priests were allowed to marry and have families I believe that more men would be called to serve as priests. Right now, many men are probably torn between the love of their families and the love for Jesus and the Church. The Catholic Church needs to evolve in order to stay alive and healthy. We are floundering in a sea of pedophilia and homosexual debacles and it is ruining the faith of the flock. All the world sees is the bad but we need to focus on all the good the Catholic Church does.
The problem with letting priest marry is that then the Church has to provide for him and his family. Or he has to go out and have another job, which you can't do if you are a priest. So, it is not an easy fix. Would the rectories in Catholic churches become the home of the Pastor and his wife and children? To me the priest would have a hard time ministering to his parish if he had the responsibilites of a family. It really makes more sense to get rid of the bad apples, because there are plenty of wonderful priests out there that are able to be celibate and live the priestly life.
We are really getting away from the point of this discussion. It is not whether it is right or wrong to be a homosexual. The question is if it is OK to be a homesexual christian leader and is it acceptable for the catholic church to cover up homosexual priests and pedophiles. I dont think it is right to persecute anyone for being homosexual but I also dont agree with having alterenative lifestyles shoved down my throat and there is no place for homosexuality in the Bible. That in turn means there is no room for homesexuality in any religion that follows the bible.
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Very unfortunate. How much more suffering must God's people (the church) endure? Allow priests to get married now!
Thank you.
In reply to Espjah, do you really think getting married to the opposite sex is the answer to homosexuality?
or are you thinking these gay priests should be allowed to marry the same sex?
If they are gay, marriage to either sex is not going to make any difference.
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Another Organized Religion, just like the many others here in the United States. But take a look at this site to see what the core of this organization is involved in: http://spirituallysmart.com/assassins.html and http://www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm
Being gay is a genetic predisposition, as the "make you NOT gay" programs will attest to. These people suffer horribly trying to be something there are not, at the behest of someone else's viewpoint which denies them who they are.. Being at peace within yourself and being a good and kind person is all anyone needs in order to be loved by God. God loves everyone if he is worth all the praise. It's all so simple, but prejudice, as it always does, causes death, pain, and suffering to all who judge others.
You must not read the bible because you have invented your own religion.
The Bible clearly talks about God burning Soddem and Gommora for the people practicing homosexuality. Their are numerous verses in the bible stating that homosexuality is perverse. One verse from the Bible comes to mind If a man lay with another man their sin is punishable by death. God loves all he created but he does not love all their actions. A persons Free Will is esentially the defining factor for whether God sees you for a wholesome and decent individual or he sees you as sinful. In essence we choose to live a life of damnation or grace.
Thsi question requires a yes or no answer only. It is a black and white isssue. Is it OK for Catholic leaders to cover up homosexuality and pedophila? Yes or No? Is it OK for any religion that follows the bible to cover up homosexuality or pedopohilia. This is not an attack on the homosexuals or the followers of the Catholic religion but rather a wake up call to the leaders of the Catholic church to practice what they prerach and eliminate hypocrisy in their ranks. They are nothing but an embarassment to all religions based upon their own actions.
There is nice discussion on the Existence of God here : http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1002.htm
I was raised Catholic, and am dismayed at how low this once sacred church has allowed the secular world to invade itself and to drag it down into the depths of utter sinfulness of the devil!! The liberal left of the church especially in the United States has hijacked the church and has driven off so many of us. It is time the church cleanse itself of the "filth" that has invaded the church . The liberal minority of the church has taken over and those of us that grew up in the pre-Vatican I and II have left. Maybe it is time for us to bting back the real Catholic church and drive the so-called "Catholics" from her pews.
Why are these buffon priests and politicians always coming up with ridiculous reasons to their homosexual advances? Who do they think they're fooling? Now.... with this buffon it's the devil? lol!
I do blame the individuals involved in instances of sexual misdemeanour. But 'Herranzing' will not root out the evil. The church establishment is to be blamed squarely; have they not read Genesis: It's not good for
man to be alone". Probably Adam was masturbating or engaged in bestiality!
The church's enforcement of compulsory celibacy for priests and nuns(that would be another good topic for under cover operations) and its exclusion of women from the priesthood stems from a flawed/antiquarian conviction that women are less (worthy).
These scandals (real or imaginary) reveal (by contrast) the amount of spiritual calories required to be a priest. Priests should be christian mystics of the highest order. The Church should see these events an opportunity to encourage priests (and other religious) to deepen their spiritual lives....GOD IS REAL AND HE IS DARKNESS TO OUR FIVE SENSES. Priests need to be occupied with seeking Him in HIS DARKNESS...the Sweet Good (Dark) Lord of the Heavens.....
everybody should read bob1964 post
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