Crossing the Line

sorry that came out twice, i didn't think it got posted the first time

oh and one more thing. guess what? women enjoy sex too. it isn't just for the men. plenty of women have uncommited sex b/c they want to.

im sorry honey but you are so wrong. abortions have been going on since the beginning of time and millions of women died every year b/c they were not legal or safe. even today, 80,000 women die every year from illegal abortions b/c of people like you and the conservative right government who prevent them from having access to clinics that are safe and professional. and i don't know where you are getting your statistics but "many man many" women are not physically harmed from abortion. why? b/c scientists and dr.'s are able to research and study abortion and how to perform one best and safelyt. and of course it's going to be emostionally distressing for some time. you just lost what could have been your child. but eventually, it stops hurting. for some people it takes more time than others. but in many caes it's worth it. guess what? most women are not just getting abortions b/c they *** up and can't deal with. there are many deep-rooted issues in it. like financial problems, addictions, and other things. and there is no way i would put my child in the social services. most of those children end up abused and kicked out when they're 18 with no where to go. if you really cared you would start adopting. abortion wouldn't even be half the issue that it is if your people would start teaching safe sex instead of no sex. teenagers and everyone else are going ot have sex. get over it. its a fact of life. they need the resources, acces, and information to learn about how to have safe sex and birth control and all of that. abortion is so much deepr of an issue than "you're killing a child"

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It is a woman's right to choose. The state of Missouri is taking a cowardly way to limiting access to safe, professional, legal abortions. Do they want to set us back to unsteralized abortions in the back of a shack?

Asking businesses which provide a surgical procedure which invades a women's body and ends the life of a baby to provide the same protective and safe environment requiired for centers which provide a surgical procedure which sutures up cuts from a playground accident is too burdensome? Why? Perhaps because the busineess of abortion less profitable?
Asking a mother-to-be to receive counseling one day and wait another to deide if she ants to end the life of thebaby she is carrying is too burdensome and stressful? What about the stress on the baby? Is the life of a baby only worth one day's pay? We ask persons to take more time to decide what school to attend, what career to pursue, and what car to buy. Even Bill and Hillary Clinton have openly proclaimed they desire for fewer and fewr abortions to happen in the United States.

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I must say, for the most part I am impressed with the discussion here! (Much more civilized and intelligible than the Ellen dog drama board I was on last night.) Well done! If only our politicians could be so open to sharing personal experiences and defending opinions - trying to keep an open mind even when set in our beliefs. I have learned as an (almost permanent) student that we learn so much more when we are willing to find worth in the experiences of others, no matter how much we may disagree with their views. Now... I did say "for the most part" at the beginning of this, didn't I? Anyway... my faith in humanity is confirmed again today!

Legislators' dirty little minds are getting smaller and smaller every year. What a shame, and shame on Missouri's Governor.

You're saying that these clinics should not fall under the same regulations as any other health facility? Wouldn't making them exempt from maintaining health requirements keep them from becoming like back alley abortionists? Don't we want these women to have the same high quality health benefits other women "enjoy" in any other health facility. It seems silly for anyone to be opposed to health and safety requirements.

Ok, my last comment did not post so here it goes again. I am sick and tired of lawmakers taking away our rights. Most of which are men that would have NO CLUE what going through a pregnancy is like. Unless you have walked a mile in my shoes(or any other women or young girls shoes), DO NOT pass judgments on me. I had abortion 17 years ago when I was in my early 20's. The pregnancy was do to a date rape, so not only was the experience horrible I ended up pregnant too. Having the abortion was the best decision for me to make and I do not have any regrets. I love children and now have 3 wonderful children and also do daycare in my home. My life would have been ruined had I went through with the pregnancy dealing with the depression I was going through after the event and then finding out I was pregnant. It is not a pro-lifers right to harass women going into a clinic, they are going through enough guilt and emotions without being made to feel like they are killers. PRO-LIFERS why don't you spend your time on something that would be more benificial. THEY ARE 1000's of children that already have been born, by mom's that didn't want them or mother that are unfit. Spend time finding them homes instead of trying to talk more young girls and women into having babies that they are unable or not ready to care for. As most of those babies will end up in our already overwelmed foster care system, in abusive homes, neglected homes, or being raised by grandparents.

20% of all abortions are initiated by the female body naturally (or, if you will, induced by God Himself) therefore the pro-lifer's need to get a life. Spend your time, pro-lifer's, keeping your families in check etc. and let the rest of us live our lives as we choose.
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Neither side of the abortion debate has a lock on the truth of when life begins. If Pro Lifers truly believed that life begins at conception, they would be protesting outside fertility clinics. Because there, babies are conceived on purpose, in a laboratory, knowing full well that many of them will be destroyed, or at least frozen indefinitely ??? which is no life at all. Those that are implanted into women are put there, in many cases I'd imagine, with full knowledge that the baby has a high risk of being miscarried, or simply never attaching to the uterus. Either way, the baby dies. And which is worse, deliberately creating life in a petry dish knowing full well that many of the little lives created will be destroyed, or unintentionally becoming pregnant and chosing to abort it? Of course no one would protest a fertility clinic, because everyone supports a woman's desire to have a baby, and fulfill her dream of becoming a mother, regardless of the risks to the unborn babies.

And Pro Choice people don't really believe that life begins at birth, because to believe that you'd have to say that if a totally healthy woman at nine months pregnant, on the day before she is due to deliver, panics, thinking she just can't do this, can ask her doctor to remove the perfectly healthy, fully developed 8 lb fetus by c-section, and destroy it, and he should go ahead and do that without so much as providing any counseling or advice against it. (Technically, the doctor would have to do something to the baby to ensure that it would never take the breath of life, before removing it from her uterus, because once it is outside the uterus, it is "born" and would have to be considered a living human being.) Not too many Pro Choice people would feel right about allowing a healthy full-term fetus to be destroyed the day before it's born.

Either belief of when life begins may be true. It's possible life begins somewhere in between concepton and birth. Since we really don't know for sure, we should not demonize those who believe life begins at a different point.

In response to ma2twinmonkeys, I am prochoice, never had to be in the position to deal with an unwanted pregnancy, and but did face 6 years of strugglig with infertility tests, treatments and invasive and agonizing adoption hoops that I was forced to jump through. My husband and I finally made the painful decision to remain childless before the stress of infertility and endless quest to become parents destroyed our marriage and would have made our pursuit of becoming a "real family" moot. There are thousands of couples in this country who endure years of red tape and disappointment trying to adopt. I am troubled that an educated woman such as yourself, had not one abortion, but two. After you aborted the first unwanted pregnancy, I am surprised you weren't more vigilant in preventing a second. I am troubled by the cavalier and selfish attitude so many educated women have toward abortion. Are you really concerned about the poor women, uneducated and perhaps chronilogically and emotionally immature women who see abortion as their only option? Or are you more interested in providing yourself with an easy out when oops, your irresponsible sex life and sloppiness fail to prevent the inconvenience of pregnancy and the delayed gratification of, egads, 9 whole months of gestation before giving your unwanted child to a family who desperately wants it and would give it a wonderful life. I had the privilege of meeting some incredibly selfless and brave birth mothers, who didn't abort, but realized that they could forfeit 9 months of their life and accept responsibility for their irresponsibility while doing something selfless and heroic, and bringing a very wanted baby to another couple who were unable to conceive on their own. Abortion is not birth control. And your attitude towards it is part of the problem.