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  • Posted By: hafbreed @ 10/19/2007 4:43:58 PM

    Have you seen the quality of the people in Missouri? Just look at their finest, the legislature. What that state needs is an enema. Un-evolved morons.....oh wait...evolution is only a theory like gravity. Maybe when Jesus comes back next week he can fix everything.

  • Posted By: UnrulyWoman @ 10/19/2007 4:27:55 PM

    There is a world of difference between setting standards for an outpatient medical center, which provides a variety of services to a variety of people, and for a clinic that provides family planning services that include abortion. That lawmakers with a clear anti-abortion agenda proposed this legislation is the absolute height of hypocrisy. These are the same people who support the Supreme Court's unconscionable decision to uphold an anti-abortion law that made no exception for the life and health of the mother - and now they come to say they're worried about the health and safety of women seeking abortions? Please.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:20:52 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:20:44 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:20:36 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:20:28 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:20:21 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:20:13 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:20:04 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:19:57 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. Educating teenagers about contraception, even abstinence. Also, if half the energy spent on the abortion argument were used on adoption, that would become a much less taboo subject. Education not just for the mothers, but the grandparents as well. Many grandparents would never dream of allowing their child to put their grandchild up for adoption, until the realization hits--at 60 or 70 yrs old--that they are raising the children. We need to promote the education, and prevention, and like the other posting--then women would have choices that would be better for all involved.

  • Posted By: Dontbestupid @ 10/19/2007 4:18:57 PM

    LauraKay, It's interesting that you're calling people stupid when you cannot even spell feel correctly.

  • Posted By: akalhar @ 10/19/2007 4:17:28 PM

    I am pro-life, but feel that legislation is not the best way to combat the abortion problem. Yes, I would like abortion (except for perhaps in cases of incest or rape) to be illegal. For extreme cases that I listed, women should go through a counseling time helping them come to a decision on the matter of their child, and helping them recover from the harm that was inflicted on them from the conception of the child.. I understand that many women who are pregnant may not feel like they would either want to keep or be able to raise the children. There are, however, countless couples throughout the country that would be extremely happy to adopt in such instances. There is no secret why many of these couples go through a long, expensive, and exhausting process of adopting from overseas -- the reason why they don't adopt babies from the USA is because we prefer to murder our children rather than give them away. Pro-lifers need to step up to the challenge and consider adoption (and making this alternative known to those in hard circumstances). Further, we need to be able to support the women in these circumstances who could not afford the bills and resulting costs (like not being able to work in some instances) of pregnancy. Finally, pro-life should extend beyond the lives of the children who are in the womb, but extend all the way from conception to death. We tend to be far too selective when applying our position to circumstances. Let us bring to term a thriving culture of life rather than mere living.


  • Posted By: sewinggoddess @ 10/19/2007 4:12:58 PM

    I am not going to say whether I am for or against abortion. What I am for is education. I believe if we educated our teenagers, and have contraception available, maybe the need for abortion would drop. I also think that if we spent even half the energy that we use for this arguement, and promote adoption, especially with the possible grandparents, abortion levels would change. Right now, adoption is such a taboo subject, that most teenagers don't feel it is a possibily, and the parents refuse to even believe it is an option until they end being the ones raising the child. So, instead of arguing over abortion, maybe we should be educating about contraception, and adoption.

  • Posted By: poppy8895 @ 10/19/2007 3:57:06 PM

    I grew up in Missouri. The wooden crosses in a field which represented aborted little babies seemed normal to me. First of all, abortion should not be such a big issue. There is something called birth control which lets woman choose when they can have a child. We were not allowed to have condoms at school (they took them away from the nurse in junior high) and safe sex is non-existant-hence a very high STD rate. This is the United States of America. As a woman, if I wanted to be told what I can and cannot do, I would go to Afghanistan or Latin America where woman cannot freely abort. I have seen documentaries of woman who had children after they were raped and could not even touch or love their child. It is a right to choose to do what you want and that is what we get in a free country. I am beginning to wonder if the US is still free...Most people who are against abortion support the death penalty which I find very strange. And what will we do with these children who will flood the orphanages? Who will take care of them? The President does not even want to support the children already born in this country and people want even more? The right to choose is what seperates this country of FREEDOM from other countries -the right to be free and the right to choose. Please stay out of my womb!

  • Posted By: jacksmaid @ 10/19/2007 3:54:55 PM

    I am so tired of hearing about the "unborn child". Get over yourselves already. It's not a child it's a fetus. Just like an egg is not a chicken. If it were, either scrambled eggs would be outlawed or *** fights would be legal.

  • Posted By: jacksmaid @ 10/19/2007 3:52:40 PM

    I am so tired of hearing about the "unborn child." Get over yourselves -- it's not a child it's a fetus. Just like an egg is not a chicken. If it were, either scrambled eggs would be outlawed or *** fights would be legal.

  • Posted By: joanneroy @ 10/19/2007 2:38:58 PM

    Whether one is pro-choice or pro-life, shouldn't we all agree that abortion clinics need to be regulated as any medical office would be?? The abortion clinic in my area was just finally regulated this past July. I find it disturbng that my daughter could have received an unsanitary, dangerous abortion without a single regulation, yet a tatoo parlor has over 23 pages of regulations! What is wrong with this picture?? Whether you believe abortion to be wrong or not, shouldn't we all agree that it should be sanitary and regulated???!!! Why is it that any legistlation that promotes safer conditions is just viewed as another attempt by pro lifers to take away a women's right to choose, rather than just an attempt to ensure that your daughter isn't prodded with rusty and/or bloody medical tools???

    • Posted By: Want A Change @ 10/19/2007 3:50:03 PM

      You're WAY off base making a statement that there are NO regulations that cover an abortion clinic. You need to drop the fear-mongering and do a little fact finding.

  • Posted By: andreateresa @ 10/19/2007 2:57:26 PM

    When women starting dying again or ending up sterile and permenantly scarred because they had to have back room abortion, will these so called Pro-Life people see then the bad they do in the name of good? Statistically it has been shown that the number of abortions does not decrease depending on legality, but the number of woman who die or end up sterile does increase.

    • Posted By: joanneroy @ 10/19/2007 3:05:51 PM

      Women are still dying by legal abortion, are still being rendered sterile and are still being permanently scarred! Legal abortion does not necessarily mean safe. We should all agree that whether abortion is legal or not, we want to keep women safe, physically and emotionally. This means it is imperative that all clinics should be have adequate regulations, upfront information that includes educating women on all options, risks, as well upfront counseling to determine these women are making this decision for themselves and not being pressured by anyone else. Abortion is a lifelong decision and women need to be better equipped if they choose this avenue.

      • Posted By: Want A Change @ 10/19/2007 3:44:23 PM

        You're being disingenuious, the rate of death, sterility and injury is dramatically higher with illegal abortions. When ONLY the Pro-life, anti-abortion crowd comes forth with legislative efforts like this, the gig is up and only idiots would cling to such a thinly veiled argument or rationale.

  • Posted By: rensk @ 10/19/2007 3:06:02 PM

    This is a really silly way to stop abortion. Pro-Life people should be embarrassed. Forcing clinics out of business on technicalities does absolutely nothing to prevent abortions. It just makes the process either more difficult, more stressful, more expensive and possibly dangerous. Forcing clinics out of business, or even making laws against abortion, will do nothing to stop the real problem - unwanted pregnancies. The way to solve the constant fight about abortion is for both Pro-Life and Pro-Choice advocates to stop the hate, and start focusing on what both sides really desire: avoiding unwanted pregnancies. Both sides should unite and demand sound sex education that promotes abstenence, provides scientific facts about STDs, gives real information about birth control, complete with real information about its reliability, teaches sexual responsibility - the emotional, physical and financial realities of having sex at a young age and getting pregnant, as well as scientific facts about abortion. Although there are many views about abortion from a scientific and moral standpoint, most everyone would agree that abortions should never be considered a form of birth control, and they should be extremely rare. If Pro-Life and Pro-Choice advocates would stop making this a political issue, stop demonizing the other side, recognize that the other side has valid points, we may actually live in a country where women are respected and valued, unborn babies are valued and cherished, laws do more to protect women and children, teens are educated and understand the consequences of sex, abstenence is the goal but birth control is available, support is available to poor unwed mothers, birth control is free or cheap to the poorest women who can't afford to have another baby, adoptions are easier and cheaper, and no one chooses to have an abortion because it's not a choice they have to face. And should a woman have an unwanted pregnancy, she would have a many good, simple, practicle, positive options to choose from, not just abortion.

    • Posted By: Want A Change @ 10/19/2007 3:41:18 PM

      Finally, some common sense!!!!! Well written.

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