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  • Posted By: equalrightsforall @ 10/19/2007 3:30:57 PM

    I have stopped calling so-called pro-lifers by that misleading name. In my view they are not so much "pro-life" as they are anti-choice. To be truly pro-life, shouldn't you assign equal value to all lives, not place emphasis on the life of the unborn? The life of the "pregnant woman" (as well as the lives of those that support her) also has value that seems to be ignored in all their yelling and manipulating. Is she merely a vessel for carrying the fetus? Does she give up her rights to control her medical care the moment she is impregnated? I strongly believe I am more pro-life that all those people, if only because I value the life of all people and believe that each of us has a undeniable, unassignable right to be the agents of our own bodies. This is not a pro-abortion argument, this is a pro-human rights argument! Any law that restricts an individual's right to have control over their own bodies is, by it's very nature, anti-choice. Any person that supports such a law is anti-life.

  • Posted By: tessvrabel @ 10/19/2007 3:15:27 PM

    From all the Pro-Life people I have met over the last 20 years there is one common denominator and that is they are protesting to make themselves feel good. I think one of their last concerns is an unborn child or the mother. They reek of hypocrisy and hatred. There is no logical reason why they aren't helping all the unwanted children who exist. They make token jestures toward adoption, etc. but their main goal is not to protect children but to be on their every popular bandwagon against abortion. They are such a joke.

  • Posted By: tessvrabel @ 10/19/2007 3:15:21 PM

    From all the Pro-Life people I have met over the last 20 years there is one common denominator and that is they are protesting to make themselves feel good. I think one of their last concerns is an unborn child or the mother. They reek of hypocrisy and hatred. There is no logical reason why they aren't helping all the unwanted children who exist. They make token jestures toward adoption, etc. but their main goal is not to protect children but to be on their every popular bandwagon against abortion. They are such a joke.

  • Posted By: AzulJoel @ 10/19/2007 3:01:26 PM

    To say that these clinics did not have any regulations before this new law is absurd. They just made the requirements more strict. Planned Parenthood is a well renowned national organization. It's facilities are definitely up to par, but they would have to spend a million to meet the new regulations. The new law makes them comply with regulations for a outpatient surgical center, which they are not.

    • Posted By: joanneroy @ 10/19/2007 3:10:28 PM

      Why wouldn't one consider abortion a surgery?? The most vulnerable part of a women's body is being invaded by surgical tools!! It absolutely should comply as an outpatient surgical center! As a woman, I 100% would choose a clinic that was heavily regulated rather than one with less regulations b/c I for one choose to protect my vagina and uterus!

    • Posted By: joanneroy @ 10/19/2007 3:07:43 PM

      The clinic I am referring to had absolutely no regulations as of July 2007!!! I wasn't speaking about PP!

  • Posted By: andreateresa @ 10/19/2007 3:07:08 PM

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  • Posted By: hoopes_az @ 10/19/2007 3:02:51 PM

    cooph, your "conservative catholic" comments are a bit over the top inflamatory, but I do agree that it is less than helpful to have extremists sitting outside of clinics making people feel even worse about what is already a difficult decision for many.

    As for comments from others, to call the debate "stupid" is simply to ignore the perspective of others. IMO, there are cases where some can justify abortion as healthcare. However, in probably as many cases as not abortion is the easiest way out of a predicament resulting from poor decisions. A woman still has the right to choose, but it is no more "healthcare" than a face lift.

  • Posted By: andreateresa @ 10/19/2007 2:57:14 PM

    When women starting dying again or ending up sterile and permenantly scarred because they had to have back room abortion, will these so called Pro-Life people see then the bad they do in the name of good? Statistically it has been shown that the number of abortions does not decrease depending on legality, but the number of woman who die or end up sterile does increase.

  • Posted By: SEJerome @ 10/19/2007 2:53:22 PM

    With over 3000 abortions performed every day, this country has legislated over 40 million deaths since Roe v. Wade. I too agree proper health care is important to women but what about the care of the 40 million? It simply amounts to legal genocide.

  • Posted By: j2dame @ 10/19/2007 2:51:25 PM

    To tell women they can't have an abortion is forcing them to look to other means to terminate the pregnancy. I would feel much better knowing I was in capable hands instead of having to look to alternative ways of handling the situation.

  • Posted By: nicoleusb02 @ 10/19/2007 2:22:56 PM

    I love the "abortion is murder" comment. Highly intellectual.

    • Posted By: SEJerome @ 10/19/2007 2:44:46 PM

      There are over 3000 abortions every day in this country. Since Roe v. Wade, this country has legislated an estimated 40 Million murders. Abortion is another word for genocide.

  • Posted By: cooph @ 10/19/2007 2:36:11 PM

    I find the abortion is murder highly intellectual also and sounds like it's coming from a conservative catholic. When your priests quit sexually abusing little boys you can make comments like that. Abortion is a need. you cannot tell a women what she can and cannot do with her own body it is her choice not yours. It seems we as a nation are going backwards in time with this issue. What do they want the opposite of infections and back alleys no thank you . I would rather these girls and women go to a professional health care giver to get the treatment they need. And some of these women are not getting pregnant on there own accord they are being raped and sometimes its incest. They have a right to do what they want with out CRAZY people sitting outside the clinic telling them how wrong they are for the decision they have dreaded over.

  • Posted By: hoopes_az @ 10/19/2007 2:30:42 PM

    I'm pro-life, but also believe that a woman has the right to choose. I agree with Clinton when he said abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. I'm frustruated by the movement that believes Abortion should be made as easy as possible. I believe it is a personal choice, but not a choice that should be funded by tax payers like me who adamantly disagree with abortion. There are an average of 2.5 reported abortions ever minute 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's not "rare" and something needs to be done to change that.

  • Posted By: hoopes_az @ 10/19/2007 2:28:11 PM

    I'm pro-life, but also believe that a woman has the right to choose. I agree with Clinton when he said abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. I'm frustruated by the movement that believes Abortion should be made as easy as possible. I believe it is a personal choice, but not a choice that should be funded by tax payers like me who adamantly disagree with abortion. There are an average of 2.5 reported abortions ever minute 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. That's not "rare" and something needs to be done to change that.

  • Posted By: nicoleusb02 @ 10/19/2007 2:22:19 PM

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  • Posted By: xlunavalentinax @ 10/19/2007 2:21:17 PM

    "Go backward"
    "Change our culture"
    This issue is being treated as if it's something that's unpreventable-- women getting pregnant because of explicit movies and TV shows, lack of sex ed, etc. then being "punished." Puh-lees. They get pregnant because of their own actions and lack of judgement. First of all, parents need to begin education in the home and not rely on public schools to teach their children about good decision making and morals. Next, why don't we eliminate the problem before it happens-- abstinence is not a popular method anymore, but educate people about birth control that PREVENTS conception. Therefore you're going straight to the root of the problem, and abortion is not a "necessity."

  • Posted By: JessLynn @ 10/19/2007 2:04:40 PM

    In all honesty, this debate is shocking. Very rarely in our history do you find people, politicians, a general culture--that wants to go backward. Are we not thinking a step ahead? With legislation passing nation-wide banning sexual education, and the heightening pressure to revert from our Roe v. Wade progress, is something not clear as to what outcome we can expect? We'll find girls in back alley clinics, getting poor healthcare, and suffering perhaps long term damage. Of course, ideally, they shouldn't be having sex in the first place. But until we can change our culture, tune out MTV, Hollywood--this isn't going to change. And the only ones being punished are these women. When legislation is passed that will foot the bill for all pregnancy costs, loss of work, and the emotional needs of a new mother--then we can go down this road. Until then, we're just moving backward with our policies while the rest of culture moves forward.

  • Posted By: JessLynn @ 10/19/2007 2:03:49 PM

    In all honesty, this debate is shocking. Very rarely in our history do you find people, politicians, a general culture--that wants to go backward. Are we not thinking a step ahead? With legislation passing nation-wide banning sexual education, and the heightening pressure to revert from our Roe v. Wade progress, is something not clear as to what outcome we can expect? We'll find girls in back alley clinics, getting poor healthcare, and suffering perhaps long term damage. Of course, ideally, they shouldn't be having sex in the first place. But until we can change our culture, tune out MTV, Hollywood--this isn't going to change. And the only ones being punished are these women. When legislation is passed that will foot the bill for all pregnancy costs, loss of work, and the emotional needs of a new mother--then we can go down this road. Until then, we're just moving backward with our policies while the rest of culture moves forward.

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