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  • Posted By: esbie11 @ 10/23/2007 8:37:28 AM

    I previously worked on the MPD ward in the Maryland Hospital that was referred to in this article. This unit still exists today, and after working there I can assure any skeptics that this disorder is real. Of course there are people out there who may fake it, but there are also millions of people who are erroneously diagosed with BiPolar Disorder, yet no one disputes its existence. MPD does not develop as the result of being sent to bed without dinner or being slapped in the face for cursing. These individuals endure chronic, severe abuse. Many are also victims of satanic ritual abuse. The horrors that these people have lived through are beyond what most people can imagine. So unless you have been raised in that environment, you really cannot judge whether or not it is possible for multiple personalities to develop. I can tell you from first hand knowledge, it does exist. Also, the hospital in this article is a world-renowned psychiatric hospital, not some medical facility that has a few beds available for mental health patients.

    • Posted By: erlaia @ 10/29/2007 5:08:23 PM

      Thanks for weighing in. It remains inconcievable to me that folks would consider it "fun", "amusing" or "interesting" to "invent" alters and the memories that flush forward when it is safe enough for the matierail and the affect to emerge. And, I note, the reference in the article tied back to McHugh, who has repeatedly questioned the very concept of dissociation in extremis at all. And, I believe he enjoys a role as a board member of FMSF, an organization whose brilliance lies in PR, not research.

      If the well-respected unit in Maryland is the one I am thinking of, it remains one of the few inpatient facilities of any quality that can effectively deal with these issues with skill, sensitivity and genuine insight. I have profound respect for those in the clinical field who can sit with folks like me as we process horrific memories...... experience the repressed emotions, grieve and express anger, and then - move forward.

  • Posted By: choonzer @ 10/29/2007 4:16:40 PM

    To trevorg: Hopefully we truly HAVE heard the last from you, as your frequent posts have been some of the most nonsensical gibberish I've had the misfortune of encountering. Mind you, I deal with highly delusional and psychotic folks regularly, so this is truly high praise. To the rest of you, who have posted and shared stories about your own journeys through abuse recovery and healing, you have my most profound respect. It's your inspirational strength and change that keeps me in this profession after so many years.

  • Posted By: induced1 @ 10/29/2007 3:10:47 PM

    Brain Stains, October 2007 in Scientific American Mind - if you haven't read it - you need to. Victimization comes in different forms. Sometimes, the 'abuser' is NOT your family... Seek more information. Dig deep. Iatrogenic possibilities run rampant.

  • Posted By: induced @ 10/29/2007 3:07:53 PM

    Brain Stains, October 2007 in Scientific American Mind - if you haven't read it - you need to. Victimization comes in different forms. Sometimes, the 'abuser' is NOT your family... Seek more information. Dig deep. Iatrogenic possibilities run rampant.

  • Posted By: erlaia @ 10/29/2007 2:09:18 PM

    Interesting to see a mainstream news magazine tackling, ever so gingerly, a topic aboud DID without screaming about false memory 'syndrome' or running on forever about the lack of ethics in the therapeutic ommunity.

    I was diagnosed about ten years ago, after leaving a therapist who doubted my memories. My current therapist, a skilled trauma therapist with profound expertise in EMDR, has helped me come to terms with my abuse history. rather than seek pure integration, we have sought to improve internal communication and self respect, with the result that our daily lives are much, much easier. I lost count after 14 alters, and now simply deal with whoever is "up" in therapy. Unlike some DID, we have always remained coconscious, which helps in building those internal communciation lines. I've been able to "do my work" hwile remaining professionally functional, and am well-known and respected in my profession, viewed as a solid rainmaker by my current professional organization, where I hold a senior role in both management and service provision. I am happily married with a comapssionate wife whose trust and respect helped create a foundation for my personal healing journey.

    I've always been fascinated with those who claim this condition is "rare"; via my support groups and via personal development retreats, I've run into many many folks with this condition. Most of us function damn well, doing jobs, raising families, contributing to our communities. I frankly think that DID, in various depths and permutations, is far, far more common than may be realized.

    I also think that, as statistical data improves, the casual misunderstaning about who abuses who might change... In my groups, in the retreats I attend, it is clear that sexual abuse is "equal opportunity"; there are many like me who were abused by both genders.

  • Posted By: DesertMoon @ 10/27/2007 9:09:00 PM

    I lost my best friend to DID and I have two requests:
    To those who have been diagnosed: Please don't ever give up. Although at times it must feel like no one understands, please know that there are so many of us that love you. We just don't know what to do. Taking your life may end your pain, but for those of us who are left behind...
    To the families of DID's: Be there for them. Don't hide, don't judge and just embrace. If you are scared and are questioning, just imagine what THEY are feeling. Love them, be there for them - they would do that for you.

  • Posted By: trevorg @ 10/26/2007 9:03:38 PM

    Hey Rainstormangel! Holy crap! You stated that you are educated! My, My, if you haven't heard that the best sex center, like most centers, are in the BRAIN, then I guess you got an F in your testing!
    Have you indeed ever seen a comatose individual being turned on with anything sexual being done to them physically?
    Geez, Louise, when, people ,are you going to go to LOGICAL SENCE?????????????
    Bye, Bye, you weirdos are simply too much for me to waste my time on!
    Hope, someday you see the light of common sence and aren't brainwashed!

  • Posted By: trevorg @ 10/26/2007 8:52:58 PM

    Yo Thomas H! What crap again! How do I know that the worse of the worse, a monitary quack therapist /psychiatrist or two are part of that scenario for OBVIOUS reasons, to discredit me and send these poor souls to years of none ending stupid therapy that will ONLY profit the money maker - until your client's money or insurance runs out???????????????????????????????????????????????????
    IF and that's a big IF, are part of the medical system in any way, shape or form - SHAME ON YOU! for you have indeed broken your hypocratic oath "Above all, do no harm." Mental health therapy should never - Make individuals WORSE- by going backwards - a nowhere place, but, in a cognitive way, let's go forward and live the rest of our lives to the best and happiest of our ability.
    Being HAPPY and Successful - IS the BEST REVENGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    These will be my last words on this subject as my dearly departed daughter and grandbaby truly want me to live my life in happiness until I join them, councience free an hopefully I left a message - PLEASE STOP USING THE ABUSE EXCUSE - LIVE YOUR LIFE IN A FORWARD MOTION - IN HAPPINESS - SURROUNDED WITH INDIVIDUALS OF LOVE AND CLEAR CLEAN MINDS - and not Quacks who will keep you in a HELL FOR PROFIT! Hugs and I wish you all the best! GOODBYE!

  • Posted By: vicarial @ 10/26/2007 2:22:14 PM

    everyone with mpd or did needs a safe person whom they cn talk to withoput gettinbg belittled backstabbed, or ran over, our safe person is eperating herself from us for no reason, so serenity i think it would be nice to talk with you involving the we . everyone did sufferer needs someone they can openly switch with so it doesnt get cramped

  • Posted By: vicarial @ 10/26/2007 2:17:58 PM

    serenity we are ther same in a way havent read all the comments and caught up, but most people with did, or mpd need a safe person and my safe person is seperating herself from me, so we need someone they can openly talk to

  • Posted By: ThomasH @ 10/26/2007 1:08:52 PM

    Without claiming to know the truth about DID, I have found it interesting that those who dispute its validity seem to be excessively attacking and aggressive. I presume you wish to convince others to consider your perspective, except it looks like you just want to perpetuate a divide, even with your superior spelling and punctuation. This is particularly interesting because you have chosen to attack those who already have a history of abuse. Nice way to join and help them consider your perspective! Remind me not to have you help me win an argument.

  • Posted By: #1 Juan-ton @ 10/26/2007 1:05:17 PM

    We loved this article...very sick.....
    this made our stomachs turn, the way they abused her.
    People need help.
    We are Junior High School students and we just finished reading "A Child Called "it"
    We loved it to
    Thanks
    Juan-ton Louiee

  • Posted By: #1 Juan-ton @ 10/26/2007 1:01:36 PM

    We thought this story was extremely sad and wrong all at the same time. The way they abused her made us literally sick. I know that it is not healthy to be sexually asulted. To us it seems people have PROBLEMS. Why in the world woud u do that to anyone..let alone your own child. I think it was very inter3esting to read about her multiple personalities but we feel sorry for her but over all GREAT ARTICLE!!!!

    Juan-ton and Louiee

  • Posted By: rainstormangel @ 10/26/2007 12:53:45 PM

    For treverorg,
    I'm highly educated. Nursing and psychology are amongst my education. Body memories exist in numerous forms. They need not even take on a psychological component. "Body memory" is a necessary component of learning many skills (walking, other physical skills), the art of dance, ballet in particular. Repetition does not only help a person "remember" certain skills, but it builds "muscle" or "body" memory. The body's muscles and nerves can be taught certain pathways. It is this "memory" that contributes to phantom limb syndrome and phantom limb pain.
    Phantom limb pain also can also have a component of nerve INJURY. Therapy and medicine are not always curative. Neither is time.
    In HEALTHY sexual relationships, body memory can be created. Being touched by a person a certain way and having a certain experience, especially repeatedly, can create a reaction to that touch. The body may learn to respond to that past, positive experience. You can, then, be touched by a different person the same way, even in a non-erogenous zone, and your body responds sexually to what would ordinarily not be a sexual touch. It's not always pathological, and knowledgable physicians and psychiatrists ARE aware of it.

  • Posted By: trevorg @ 10/26/2007 11:36:41 AM

    Hey Serenity, me/us and you're not a wacko? Get real! Do you have to pay more than (normally) for insurance policies? Have you a weight problem trying to feed everyone? Don't you see how brainwashed you are?
    Geez Louise! Who helped your feeble mind conjure up such stupidity?

  • Posted By: Serenity14 @ 10/26/2007 9:30:36 AM

    For trevorg....wackos? what is wrong with "you"? does this intimidate you is that what is wrong because I find your immature comments completely offensive but to personally attack you would be out of character for me/us. But I do think you need some "down" time. Your behavior and actions belong somewhere but just don't know where hopefully far away from those that want a better world for all. Bleck!

  • Posted By: DeDe6106 @ 10/26/2007 12:49:59 AM

    It is indeed so rewarding for both persons with DID and for those who are involved in treatment with persons who are victims of childhood sexual trauma to see a mainstream publication address this issue. I do wonder, however, how it is that Dr. Herbert Spiegel assumes that it is "rare." Given the epidemic of childhood sexual abuse that is now being reported in the media and abuse in a previous decades that was NOT reported openly, and if so, was attributed to "false memories" implanted by the treating professionals, is it no wonder that with pronouncements such as "it is rare", the condition is significantly missed? In circumstances with history that might strongly be a predictor of DID, might be more helpful to consider the condition as a differential diagnosis and rule it out (or in) with appropriate assessments rather than never consider the possibility of how young children defend against sexual trauma? Such a position would certainly seem to be a comprehensive and more effective way to initially approach therapeutic intervention with victims and survivors of trauma! I have been working with persons with DID since 1993 and not a single one has had any need to pretend or malinger! Way to go Newsweek! Keep the dialogue about reality going!
    Delores DA

  • Posted By: trevorg @ 10/25/2007 1:56:16 PM

    Dear Joan Astrid: Atta Girl! So glad to see educated, well informed and Normal people that have nailed this crap as bogus as labotomies, hypnotism, LSD experimentation, body memories (your memory center is in your head - for the stupids out there) etc.etc.etc. - Claudette

    • Posted By: AD21 @ 10/25/2007 2:07:02 PM

      Hey Claudette-
      Not so, body/brain connections are fascinating and, as yet, not much explored. There is so much that is still unknown! Opening your mind a bit can be very helpful. Scary though it may be, it is probably the best thing you can do- for yourself and for those around you. Actually, second best- growing compassion, for yourself and eveyone is the best! So we should say "Opening your mind/heart..." Find some love, that's the best!

      • Posted By: trevorg @ 10/25/2007 11:59:44 PM

        Incidentally, for sure there have been individuals that have fantom pain from amputations, however, good psychiatric attention and proper meds eventually convince that person that indeed the pain is in their head! Get it?

      • Posted By: trevorg @ 10/25/2007 11:52:21 PM

        For sure the theory of (body memories) is bogus, check it out with REPUTABLE psychiatrist/psychologists and you'll find that it's as ridiculous as Frued's (Penis Envy). Get some education.

  • Posted By: Rosaleasmom @ 10/22/2007 7:37:30 PM

    Very insightful, can you ever rid yourself of the other personalities??
    Why do they come and go??
    My heart goes out to Karen. She is exceptionally strong and brave.
    It would be so much easier to ignore the lost time and just go on for fear of being thought crazy.

    • Posted By: AD21 @ 10/25/2007 3:35:30 PM

      The "invader self" idea is a common DID misperception. We're multiple and for us it's very like a difficult, but ultimately joyous family reunion. There are no "invaders" to be "rd of." We are all us.
      We come and go for all kinds of reasons- often because something has caught someone's interest, and "pulled them out", Or we come out because we have different skills- someone with the skills relevant to the situation comes out.
      We're working on building an"inner world" based on love. Whatever final form it might take will not be forced and we won't be getting rid of anybody.

    • Posted By: psychRN @ 10/22/2007 7:51:10 PM

      A skilled therapist can help the patient to integrate the personalities with the core personality. They come and go during times of stress. Also each personality has a function and they appear and reappear as needed. In therapy, once the patient feels safe, the alters will appear to tell their memories as the host or core personality does not have the abuse memories or just has bits and pieces.

  • Posted By: cconkc67 @ 10/22/2007 7:38:40 PM

    To Kyakfisher I suppose if you became ill with an incurable disease it wouldn't bother you if people said you were looking for a excuse "not deal with lifes problems". Do you really think it's easier to be menatlly ill than not? If so, I hope you are young and have experianced so little of life that you cannot appreciate that human beings have weaknessess and strengths . Those fortunate ones who are healthy and strong must protect the weak and ill from people like you.

    • Posted By: kayakfisher @ 10/22/2007 8:11:19 PM

      Yeah it is easier to be mental, the state puts you up in a hospital, gives ya food, charges mdicare for the room all the while the tards bank account is getting fat off from SSI while they fake out the psych doctors, then they get mad cuase we say no to one of there "different personalities" and get attacked...but you can not touch them back cause they have a problem....bull. just like a borderline that can not deal with lifes issues and cuts themselves.

      • Posted By: melzie @ 10/22/2007 9:23:45 PM

        As someone who works in mental health, I'm appalled by some of your comments here. While I will agree that some people totally abuse the system and need to learn how to fend for themselves, I challenge you to spend a day at a long term psychiatric facility and tell me that these people aren't really 'sick' and in need of help. It's mentalities like yours that continue to foster the stigma that people have about mental illness and why we continue to lose funding.

        • Posted By: Heavennevaeh @ 10/23/2007 12:10:00 AM

          Thank you. Keeping my story quiet and watching these comments has made me never ever want to share my story with anyone anywhere. I am also shocked.

          • Posted By: jewels1958 @ 10/23/2007 2:17:11 AM

            You people just need to remember that people like Kayak are most likely inmmature 15 year olds who get their jollies off on getting people upset with idiot comments. They have no life experiences to comment about and/or they are picked on in school and this is their way of getting back at people without actually having to confront anyone, because they are really chickens. :)

      • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:24:19 AM

        Whatever, jerk. Most mentally ill people do NOT have fat bank accounts, most cannot get treatment because they can't afford to pay for it. The majority of homeless people are mentally ill.
        I think that people like you who make bigoted, ignorant statements like this have a much bigger problem than the person who is surviving every day with an illness, be it mental or physical.

      • Posted By: xXSurvivorXx @ 10/22/2007 9:27:27 PM

        Oh, and I am on SSDI, but I am not a "tard", thanks for the steriotype. Didn't you ever learn that labels are for clothes, not for people??? And for the record, my bank account is NOT getting "fat", I have $38.27 in the bank right now. I'm sure you have far more than that in the bank. Do you really think that $669/mo will make a person rich? Not by a long shot.

      • Posted By: skywatcher20 @ 10/22/2007 9:26:02 PM

        coment: Poor poor bitter little person. I hope YOU never have to experience the cruel and unthinkable things that humans do to each other. OR MAYBE YOU ALREADY HAVE AND YOUR BITTERNESS IS YOUR WAY OF DEALING WITH IT!!!!

      • Posted By: xXSurvivorXx @ 10/22/2007 9:23:48 PM

        I think you need to cut yourself.

      • Posted By: Finallyloveslife @ 10/22/2007 8:29:36 PM

        Plese refrain from commenting until you learn how to do so in a grammatically sound way. "ya food"? "mdicare"? "off from"? "cause we say"? Seems like someone who failed sixth grade should avoid embarrassing himself by posting wretchedly absurd comments.

        • Posted By: Finallyloveslife @ 10/22/2007 8:38:07 PM

          It appears that I need to do some self-editing!! LOL. "PLEASE refrain from commenting...."

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