How do you know which is the real personality? Does one choose?
How do you know which is the real personality? Does one choose?
We're all the real personality.
that's me and i am still in therapy. please pray 4 me
Prayers and best wishes to you. It can, with hard work, get wonderfully better. We know!
Look up Many Voices. I read it for quite some time while in active therapy. Prayers commencing.
Sadly, quacks like this are what give the profession a horrible name. There are some undeniable truths in DID, chief among these is that none of the personalities have an awareness of the others. None. Therefore, a letter written by one claiming to live inside another is pure BS. This is a horrible story, it's pitiful that this "Doctor" (and I use the term very loosely) wrote this book. It's also a scam that this man treated this woman for four years before finding out she had DID....treatment does NOT last that long, EVER, with a true professional. This "Doctor" was bilking this woman for money, and it sounds to me like he found a great way to do so.
Not true, Jaden- We are a multiple person, and as soon as one of us met our "outside person," we shared awareness of each other. Two multiple friends of ours have been aware of some of their insiders since they were very young. Amnesia is definitely a component of DID, but it's by no means total. In fact, there are so many and varied expressions of DID, it's hard to make generalizations about it,
Wow! I'm so happy that she was able to survive through everything, and still come okay "normal" in the end! For those who don't believe things like this exist, well I'm happy for yu because it only means that you've never had someone close to you or someone you knew, or you've never yourself experienced any fo the nightmare that those who have lived with it have had to go through.
Yes, the majority of the mentally ill may be homeless, but there are several functional mentally ill people out there as well as those who have money, as money don't buy sanity. Treatment don't always cost from the pocketbook, Insurance both private and public pay for alot of it.
"Normal" is kind of a drag. It's an externally-defined little box that we all too often try to cram ourselves into, suffering when we can't. We gave up on being "normal" a long time ago.. Giving up helped our happiness and development immensely.
There are far better questions than "Am I normal?" Like "Am I happy?" "Am I living in and expressing love?" "Am I doing good in the world?" And if the answers to some of those questions are "No" then: How can I best move in that direction?
We find the best answers and the best energy springs from within, it's not imposed from outside.
Your right, therapy can help, it can also make a problem worse. Of course, it is easy enough to engage the parent/adkult/child concept and create another personality or two, the 'perfect' mother and the 'perfect' father to nuture all these fragmented selves so they can grow into their fullest self (work out their destiny) so they can make a mature and collective decision that serves the whole. After all, if one is smart enough to create such a complex system, one is surely smart enough to fix the uirks in it. Of course, you can also spend plenty of time energy and $$ (even with insurance) biding your time waiting around for the magic wand of someone else to fix it for you. In any case, each of us knows as exactly what we need more than any therapist or human parent. I can only share what worked for me ;-)
thank you for such an honest evaluation...
i am 60yrs old and have been multiple since i was two, when my first terror began..
i had it all done to me..sexual..physical emotional and ritualized abuse. I was sold to a satanic cult by my own alcoholic parents..i am alive because i was able to 'dis-connect'..
Hey Kid, go take a nap!
trevirg, you ought to be ashamed! Would you say that to an "outside" (3-D) kid who had been raped? You just did the equivalent. And I mean it IS the equivalent.
Not again! Every few years we get fed this garbage about recovered abuse memories. Sheesh, it is 2007 already. When will the mental health profession purge itself of these charlatans and the malpractice they commit. Shame on Newsweek for publishing such uncritical, unscientific nonsense.
Joan, you complain far too much. What is going on with you? A little explanation is in order.
Blah....Blah..Blah...BS BS BS...Cmon get real...Ridiculous....good luck with the movie script...although its already been done...pure idiocy.
Bravo for your clear vision!
DID, dissociative "disorders," and other trauma-related conditions are probably much more common than most people, even most mental health professionals, acknowledge. I have worked with and been acquainted with many people who have multiple identities or are highly dissociative. "Integration" is not necessarily a panacea. Others who have multiple identities are able to develop internal communication and to heal from trauma in that way. See, for instance, The Family Inside by Doris Bryant et al.
Everyone experiences trauma of some kind and most people have some time in their lives in which trauma is disruptive enough that counseling/therapy may be beneficial. The kind of extreme trauma described in the book is also not as rare as most of us would like to think. I have encountered a great deal of it in the lives of the clients in my counseling practice as well as in the lives of friends and acquaintances. I wrote my doctoral dissertation on spirituality and ritual abuse (rape, torture, and other atrocities committed by groups or families) and had many more possible co-researchers (usually called "subjects") than needed for the study.
trevorg your pain comes through as anger, it was not the drs who killed your daughter but your daughter killed herself. You have to face something drove her to it , no one can put thoughts into your head that are not already there. Why was your daughter so hurt? deal with what demons drove her to it, and you will heal yourself. you call your granddaugther precious but your daugther demented. You have to face what part if any you played in her death and that is what is killing you. Her loving family was not there for her? face your anger and stop sprouting hate at people you do not know.
Hey Sunshine, was it your horrible mother's fault that you became such a heartless nutbar?
I'll have to refute that. Yes, trevor's anger is biased and probably he felt justified, but another point of view - the psychiatrist may have been one of the few who never believed that DID was there in the first place. Maybe pride was involved, and to trevor's despair, the woman did not go seek higher authorities on a matter she couldn't deal with. Dr. Baer did say that there were a lot of those in the world.
Dissociative Identity Disorder is an amazing subject. Recently, I read Rachel Gunners and Hanna Gabriels book 'Beyond these walls' which portrays the complicated process of both the therapist and patient. The depths of pain and torture a child suffers that results in such a horrible life sentence leaves the reader stunned. Both Dr. Baer's and Rachel Gunner's clients were very lucky to find people who had the imagination and compassion required to address this disorder.
As I read through some of the comments, it seems some of you are still living in the dark ages but you are entitled to your opinion. I would suggest, however, that you get educated so you can express an educated opinion. And please, I would plead that everyone learn to spell. Some of the spelling in these remarks is atrocious.
I think my girl freind has this problem, Its crazy to deal with. Im going to leave her.
If you truly love her, please don't leave her. But try if you can to get her to seek GOOD professional help and lend her your support. She needs it.
I apologize for the computer glitches. Every apostrophe became a question mark in the text!
I applaud Dr. Baer???s dedication in working with Karen.
I have also had an amazing journey with Hanna, a women with 26 personalities who, at the age of two, began experiencing horrific abuse that led to her dissociation. Our story is chronicled in Beyond These Walls ??? The True Story of a Lost Child???s Journey to a Whole Life (www.argunbooks.com). Written from the dual perspective of myself the therapist and Hanna the client. the book offers unique insight into the realities of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) and the dynamic therapeutic relationship. It was this relationship that was the key to Hanna???s healing, which occurred in an unprecedented two years.
For all skeptics of the existence of DID, I agree with Dr. Baer that there is no doubt about the realities of the dissociative mind. One has only to witness a person switching from one tortured self to another to know that DID is the most courageous act of survival and self-rescue.
Rachel Gunner,LCSW-BCD
so, how do you know whih is actually the real person?
All of ua are real people,
I believe in DID and can see how it could develop. As a child, I was abused, not sexual but extreme physical abuse and severe emotional trauma--all from evil, brutal stepfather that would dole out beatings with broomsticks, extension cords, his fists, his feet, work boots, planters and the butt of a gun! I also watched him repeatedly beat my mother and siblings, kick the family dog for barking too loudly and drown my with his bare hands to punish me for not washing the dishes fast enough!
Two of my sister's said he sexuallty molested them, he denied it of course. Yet, I believe them and truly feel it is the reason both turned to drugs and went through man after man later in life. I also believe it is the reason my mother became an alcoholic during my teen years, well after she escaped him and his brutality. I think the guilt of it all was just too much for her to take, even though she was out of the situation.
I say all this to say, someone that suffers far more trauma than myself, siblings or mother could very well wall themselves off to deal with the situation they find themselves in.... I know there were times during and after those brutal beatings, and all the other crazy stuff I witnessed that II would go somewhere pretty and peaceful...just to be able to cope with my life.
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MPD...wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy! Rare? When someone says that something is rare I don't expect to see one in my life. Including myself I've known between half a dozen and a dozen and not all in a therapuetic setting. I don't think that it's common but it's definitely not rare. For those still in therapy becoming "one" is worth the pain and the hard work. Some feared that they would cease to exist...not so. God Bless!
Don't expect not to see something rare in your life. I personally have met three people who have been struck by lightning- four if you count the guy whose truck was hit while he was driving, and I know a guy with eight nipples (in rows, like a dog, some of the vestigial).
There are so many rare conditions, and we meet so many people over the course of a life, that the odds of meeting a 'rare' person are extremely high- probably everybody knows at least one....
Thank you... Although I do not want our "GIFT" (DID) to be exploited, I do feel that it needs to be excepted by the whole profession. I am very fortunate in that I have a wonderful therapist.
As for calling DID a gift, well I truly do believe that all my family members and LITTLES are a special gift. I cannot imagine what my life would be like without them.
It is a sad, sad part of psychology. Many lives have been ruined. There is research showing that women who are treated in therapy for DID/MPD do not start cutting or burning themselves and making suicide attempts until AFTER they go into therapy and are "diagnosed" with this bogus illness (i.e, after they are taught to be multiple). They are also more likely to be hospitalized in psychiatric hospitals, have their marriages fall apart, and end up on disability AFTER beginning to work with a recovered memory therapist than before. This therapy destroys lives and identities and creates professional victims. It is very lucrative for the therapists, because the woman typically stay in therapy for years and years and never get better.
Don't fall for this ridiculous article. And if you know a woman who is seeking mental health therapy, tell her to turn and RUN if her therapist starts suggesting that her problems may lie in repressed or dissociated memories of abuse.
Interested in reading more about this therapy cult? Read "Making Monsters" by Ofshe and Watters, a Pulitzer Prize-winning description of this horrible sociological phenomenon: the recovered memory therapy movement. There is also a short, witty, and devastating critique of multiple personality disorder/dissociative identity disorder called "Creating Hysteria," written by Joan Acocella. Both books are available at Amazon.com (very cheap if you buy used) and will help you understand this terrible malpractice that continue to infect mental health treatment today.
Hey Joan-
We're multiple, we didn't start meeting each other in therapy, but we're in therapy now, and we're getting better. It feels great- more love than I even knew was possible.
I've read some of the research/theories you're talking about, but also read the other research, and there is plenty of it. Our logical conclusion was that multiplicity was simply the best, and most helpful, explanation of what was happening to us.
I have to ask why this issue bugs you so much. I'm not saying you were abused, but I'm wondering: what is the source of such strong feelings? You might benefit from taking a close and compassionate look at all the thoughts and feelings this discussion brings up in you.
I did run from a therapist who suggested that my father sexually abused me because I know for a fact that he did not. However, I also know for a fact that I was molested at a very young age. I don't have any solid conscious memories, but as a child I had scars where no child should have scars and a lot of problems with my genitalia. I figured out who was abusing me but was disgusted with the therapist who immediately tried to implant the suggestion that it was my father. I have conflict with my father but not because he ever sexually abused me--he did not.
However, DID is a real disorder! The many people who suffer from it should not be belittled once again by being told that their suffering is not real.
I do not suffer from DID myself but I know several people who do. They are not "faking to get attention." Their suffering is real!
Dear Joanastrid: you are one of very few in this chat about RMT DID and abusive Devil Groups that are intelligent enough to have done enough studies and have come to the rightful conclusion, (like most medical experts). It's all a crock and money maker. If quacks left us alone, we could resolve our own problems and get on with the job of living good lives. Thanks: Claudette
Is Recovered memory therapy a hoax? I don't know. I do know that I will be 43 next month and it was only within this past year that I have been able to start remembering something in my childhood other than the abuse. I am sure there are bad therapists out there, unfortunately there is abuse and incompetency in all areas of life. I can only hope that there are good therapists out there... I wish I was able to find one and had the ability to trust one of them. My recovery has been owe so slow, but I am a survivor and I will continue down the path that God has planned for me. Take care,
To clarify, my previous comment is in response to those who imply that there are many people who can relate in some way for a disease that's so rare.
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