Inside Karen’s Crowded Mind

For DID to be so complex and fairly rare, there seem to be a lot of people commenting who either have it; have a relative or friend who has it; or think they might have it.

I just wanted to say that I think it is difficult to see where the line between demonic possession is and certain psychiatric disorders. I have often wondered how to know which is which. I have studied psychology and have worked with trauma survivors. None of the survivors I worked with had MPD but they did dissociate.
I think some disorders are chemical and some are spiritual. It is hard to know when they cross between the chemical and spiritual.

Ooh its so weird that this article just came out. We just finished talking about MPD in my psychology class. My teacher even used Sybil as an example.

Everybody's got lots to say on this. I can't imagine why people don't believe this exists. I'm just guessing, but I have a feeilng that the majority of posters who don't believe people experience this kind of stuff on a regular basis are men. Because men, especially men older than 30 or 40 (because they they grew up in a time when the public recognition of this problem was not yet common), in this country, on the whole, don't appreciate what it's ilke to be vulnerable all the time the same way that women do. Children woudl too if they had more knowledge of the world. It bothers me very much that some people are saying that people make this up for attention. If you were a woman you would understand the constant awareness (not necessarily fear), that women instinctively or consciously have as the more physically vulnerable part of the human race. If you don't belive that then you must be too ignorant to read what goes on around you. Men are still the usual perpetrators of violent crime in most countries. Women and children have been abused and neglected for many centuries the world over. This just comes with being "the weaker sex." .

And those who blame the molestling mainly on tthe crazy two-faced, strict, Christians can just get real. It's everywhere. Every time you see something stupid in the news or on TV, it seems the crazy right-wing Christians are showing their two-facedness again! This is propaganda often perpertrated by, hmm, let's see, Hollywood, who is, in a very concerted way, against Christianity (gosh, I wonder why? Could it be that the Bible requires one to have some shrivel of self-control, be honest and humble, show some self-discipline and compassion for others, rather than behave like heathens with no respect for anyone, on many levels, and embrace just about anything that is NOT Christian or conservative)?

Anyway, interesting posts here. Thought I'd throw mine in, although don't know what kind of flak i'll get for it.

My advise to you is to accept jesus christ in your life,and forgive those that hurt you carrying that burden will do that to you and jesus can set you free from all those evil spirits ( believe) trust in the lord.. Close the door to the past and become born again, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Psychiatrists see only a percentage of MPs. Not all abused ones develop multiple personalities. Those who are creative and "sensing"???aware of spiritual atmospheres, etc., are most likely to become MP, which is an extreme attempt to save one???s individuality from obliteration. To avoid the pain, the mind creates another self. The two may be unknown to each other or anyone else. Prolonged abuse may make more personalities, often created from our 3 natural states: Adult, Parent, Child. (Adult???objective decision maker; Parent, nurturer; Child, immature, spontaneous, not logical.) All of us compartmentalize to some degree. MPs take it further.

Some people believe multiple personalities are demons talking and acting in turn. The difference between MP and demonic possession is distinct. In true MP, the selves don't have evil intent, are sincere in their desire to express themselves as individuals. They attempt to be normal. In child selves, you see the innocence of a child, the desire to please, the playfulness, the inconsolable sorrow.

Confusion exists about MP and demonics because extreme fear (or any extreme negative, such as greed, lust, etc.) opens a soul door for a demon to enter. In the case of MP the entry door is fear of abuse. So we can have a true case of MP, but each personality may have demonic attachments. These must be spiritually dealt with by helping the person understand what is happening, and asking God to evict the invaders. If you go through a deliverance process with an MP, you may have to repeat it in more than one personality.

All selves are really only split-offs of one???s personality, developed to appear as far as possible like a real individual self; but they have to share time. Very organized MPs have a schedule, each self allowed a bit of time each day, or week. But some selves remain largely hidden for year. Usually, there is a "controller" or ???protector??? personality who manages selves. He can repress them from coming out, if it seems safer.

Seeing a change of selves, within seconds, is an amazing phenomenon. Expression, eyes, posture, tone of voice, language change before your eyes. When you observe that someone you know frequently and repeatedly does not remember things he said or did in your presence, that this an actual blank spot in his memory, not denial, you might suspect MP. Help, by accepting each self as a valid part of the individual. Show normal affection, give encouragement, guidance. With a nurturing friend, a child may emerge, to pick up missed parenting. Eager to grow, they may mature at a faster-than-normal rate. Growth of each self to maturity is an important part of becoming whole.

With understanding, walls soften. Encourage an MP to "remember" something a different self did. As he makes the effort, the other self may comply, releasing the memory. Each time, this gets easier until communication becomes a habit. Reunion happens.

Sadly, quacks like this are what give the profession a horrible name. There are some undeniable truths in DID, chief among these is that none of the personalities have an awareness of the others. None. Therefore, a letter written by one claiming to live inside another is pure BS. This is a horrible story, it's pitiful that this "Doctor" (and I use the term very loosely) wrote this book. It's also a scam that this man treated this woman for four years before finding out she had DID....treatment does NOT last that long, EVER, with a true professional. This "Doctor" was bilking this woman for money, and it sounds to me like he found a great way to do so.

Norm14104: There is no difference between MPD and DID; DID is merely the modern term used in the DSM IV-TR.

To sd309: I can't agree with you more about the phenomemon of seeing one's partner change before your eyes. Seeing a child suddenly emerge to open his/her Christmas present when mere seconds before the adult had done the same is something I never could have imagined. Those are the good memories. The opposites also existed. Trying to restrain the adult male to keep 'them' safe from self harm to suddenly holding a fraile, cowering infant can really test your inner strength. But our son and I found the key to mutual existance: LOVE! And giving each personality that exibited themselves to us something to call their own. We had one fantastic assortment of stuffed animals to hand out as needed. Everyone has a need to have something personal to call their own.

it;s a spiritual posesion

To Petr Pokorny: I'm not anti-religion but where was your Lord Jesus when all the abuse was causing the problems in the first place? Sometimes you got to step outside the box and deal with life face to face in the real world and rely on yourself, family and professionals to help. Can I get an AMEN?

Finally!!! I am so glad to see that there are others that really do believe in MPD, too. My late wife was diagnosed in 1991 as Multiple and in the insuing 12 years that followed I met and dealt with, to various degrees, well over 200 different personalities. I, and our son, learned how to deal with the constant changes and problems associated with MPD. Initially, in 1990, when the major issues began and diagnoses followed life for 'her family' was totally out of control. One day she was home the next who knows? But as time and 'therapy' passed, we all came to know and trust one another and live as a family. Massive doses of medication did wonders!! If you consider being a 'zombie' as living. In time, medicine was put aside and 'the family' learned to depend on each other, and their 'outside family' to cope. Integration was considered in early stages but was never attempted as control was gained by inner trust. I grew to depend on certain members of 'the family' to keep me updated on the inner happenings and how others were doing. Not all were willing to openly talk to me but would talk to others inside. The outside world, for the most part, never knew what was going on or why. Only very few trusted personal friends of my wife knew. Her personal family physician did not know until I told him years down the road. I think, down deep inside, he had an idea since there were instances of variances in her behavior but he never mentioned it. We all survived multiple suicide attempts, drunken brawls, verbal arguements and some happy times until my son and I lost her in 2003 following acute pneumonia/surgery. Some day maybe I will write a book about our lives and how we were able to remain a family. Most don't!!!! Maybe I can help some other family remain a family thru it all!

As an INSPIRITIST, which believes in re-encarnation and that the death is not the end of life. It is easy to understand that our today abusers might be the ones we abused and harm in previous lives. Yes, science has a different view of understand our problems which lives in our dimention of life.

But, we need to consider that where do we go when our body dies? How about the ones we did wrong and couldn't forgive us?

Then, we came back in the theather of life to repair and of course to learn to FORGIVE AND LOVE. Which most of us fail to do.

If not that, we bring back with us our disfunctions and primitive passions and if not well educated our primitive instinctive are most likely to fail in the same patterns of our previous lifes.

We came back to learn and to progress. Wlhere Sadan Hussen might be right now? With some many enemies he has in the other side of life?

It's is not difficult to imagine..... We're what we do with our mind and actions but sit and wait to pay the consequences in this or in other theathers we'll be present.

But again, we promise to forgive and repair..... But it is not easy yet for most of us, mostly those who are too primitive and not yet spiritualized.

forgive my writings.

Blessings to all