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  • Posted By: rocker @ 10/23/2007 2:03:34 AM

    vrivera/california
    what can I say? shocking..no..all of this stuff seems to be sexually related ..which I have trouble accepting..Lots of kids are exposed to sexual scenarios [ I am refering to my child hood..mid - to late sixties - early seventies..] having your next door neighbor [ older of course ] etc..trying to make advances..all of this stuff is simply the process of growing up and adoloecne..sexual images have long been with us..for boys.absouluty..there is nothing wrong with thinking about sex or being attracted to the opposite sex because of there natural beatuy and sexual aura..playboy magazine, pent house magazine , movies of that time..what disturbs me is all the accusatons of sexual deviance..ARE WE GOING BACK IN TIME OR WHAT? REPRESED SEXUALITY..if you can not accept the role of sexual images or the impact of sex in society..historically speaking ..you folks are living in a unrealistic world..what has pushed the boundries ..it is not pornagrahpy..which has been with us for a long time..and quite frankly is dam entertaining..there is nothing wrong watching people have sex or enjoying there natural instincts to do what is natural ..the culprit is the INTERNET...simply and overdose of what was already out there..get real baby boomers..when your were age 5-12 men and women..we all knew was out there..admit it..unless you were brainwashed or having your mind, eyes and feelings locked up..what gets me ..is how people my age late 40's are turning into complete social zeolts and passing judgement on every thing and everyone..just live and let live..this world was never perfect and never will be..just mind your own business and focus on your owns stuff..and keeping your own house in order..television, radio, all have major influences on folks in the western world..and most "sane" people can take this stuff with a grain of salt..you can turn off the TV you know..if you don't like whats own..please quit trying to regulate others behaviours..

    Apparently when it was time to "come inside" after we were done playing baseball or whatever girls were doing during that time when we were young..for some that evening time turned into some sort of macabe enviroment..one thing for sure..a lot of this stuff..molestiation apparently has been going on for years ..a long friggin time in fact..I know it did not happen to me..and only child and adotped..with the greatest liberal parents and young USA citizen could hope for..alot of these parents who did these things ..were also the recievers of the same sort of "so called abuse" as well in there childhoods..from the latter 1800's to the early 1900's..MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO..

    amazing story..I have always believed that people can have multiple personalities..nothing new here..except every one wants to be a stupid soical cop..remember ..make sure your own stuff - house is in order before you start making judgements..for those who survied and ..it was your destiny to be strong and pull out of the phycosis..

    • Posted By: chalkie @ 10/23/2007 2:50:18 AM

      how sad you imagine abuse to only be some guy next door coming on to you!! these poor people are talking of actual sexual assault , grow up!!

      • Posted By: jasminerose @ 10/23/2007 5:41:25 AM

        Surely you must understand the difference between participating willing in an act and being coerced into an act, particularly before your tender and innocent mind can wrap yourself around what is going on, which it simply can't (ERGO DISSOCIATIVE STATES EXIST TO ASSIMULATE WHAT THE MIND CAN NOT COMPREHEND). In any case, I can recognize that it is not repulsive to your mind for a chitld to be coerced/forced into a sexual relationship to satisfy the whims of sexually mature adults (ERGO WE MUST EACH DEAL WITH OUR OWN MENTAL DISORDERS (DEFENSES/LIES). FYI: dissociative states are related to all abuses/atrocities that the mind can not wrap themselves around ...including war.

  • Posted By: Petr Pokorny @ 10/23/2007 5:04:49 AM

    I am writing you from the middle of Middle Europe, I??d like to add something to the ongoing discussion. When dealing with the topic of psychic disorders and mental health, I??d like to turn your attention to the ultimate source of health and life in and of itself: peace with Gog through our Lord Jesus Christ, cleansing from all sins through His blood. You can??t have peace of mind unless you have peace with your Creator. Unlike the psychoterapists (who I am not saying are useless) the Lord is so gracious, omnipotent and loving that He can heal you for free, fully and for ever. Petr Pokorny

  • Posted By: diffcat @ 10/22/2007 8:56:21 PM

    joanastrid kayakfisherlittle boy or whatever: you are what's wrong with American. Something that you can not understand and don't even want to begin to understand you spout off disrespectively and callously about because you yourself have no way of empathizing or even understanding due to your closed minds. The way that you think is so sad because there are so many people who have gone through so much suffering and they themselves aren't even aware of their own disorders. It was the only way for this particular patient to deal. Don't you know anything about what it is to go through hell? Not to mention to be totally helpless while going through hell. Does common sense tell you that a person who is put under a certain amount of stress under a certain amount of time is going to be, wether conscious of it or not, abnormal in the eyes of well, people like you. And you know why that might be? because something's got to give. People are not machines or robots. Even abused dogs for example still cower when they hear angry yelling or when a hand is above there head. Now that's a dog right? Okay people now think about a human being..a child perhaps. Now you tell me how a child deals with a situation in which their survival depends upon an abusive adult's care. You can't can you? Because every single human being on this planet is as different from one another as their finger print. From this point anything is possible in terms of abnormal psychology. This abused child can take any turn in the right or wrong direction, and just like anything else, a disorder builds upon another and it's this complicated network that goes on inside the individual's brain which people like 'kayakfisher 13 year old boy' here will never even begin to understand in his lifetime. Word to the wise, just because you can not grasp a concept in the tiny little brain of yours does NOT mean that women, children, humans, dogs, etc. 'make up' psychological disorders or do so to draw attetion to themselves. Go tell POW's, Katrina survivors that their post traumatic stress disorder is fake and just another way to draw attetion, gauranteed you will get popped in the mouth you ignoramous.

    • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 4:41:07 AM

      Heh, you've just said what I had on my mind! But passion is better in moderation, honey, because those types of people will never get it. All that matters is the future, ya know.

  • Posted By: Calliva5000 @ 10/22/2007 8:54:46 PM

    Poor people are so deceived in the general public. They don't even know when a demon is manifesting itself. They are spiritually blinded and deceived themselves. My advise from them is keep seeking help from the world from which you get no help. Very typical of those rejecting God's help to seek help in men who are powerless. Get to church and find the one who has all power. His name is Jesus Christ.

    • Posted By: Mrs MJW @ 10/22/2007 9:03:31 PM

      DID or MPD as they are calling it here is NOT demon possession. God created the mind in such a way as to cause it to split into very distinct compartments to protect itself from absolute hopelessness. I have seen Jesus show up and minister to individual alters and bring healing to them. Calling an alter a demon can have devastating effects on the individual living with the DID. For the sake of a loving God and in the name of Jesus don't do this. The bible talks much about a divided mind. It is His will that every human being have WHOLENESS. So many of these survivors of abuse have been abused with the bible and hymns and the pictures of Jesus. You can't expect them to go to church. This is where true followers will come in. They'll get their fat butts out of church and out in the real world ministering to a BROKEN world, Challenge yourself today friend. Get out of your arm chair of judgement and embrace the unembraceable. I can tell you I did. You'll never see the world the same again. Or is this what people like you are afraid of. Embrace a leper today. Isn't that who you serve??? HE does embrace the unembraceable. Do your research and pray before you post comments like that. The Lord Jesus forgive you.

      • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 4:37:52 AM

        I do admire your dedication, dear. Very well said. What Calliva has said rather smacks of condescension towards other people in general, not to mention it's been repeated enough times already. It's all very well to say it; it's quite another to do it.

      • Posted By: modsaint @ 10/22/2007 9:25:01 PM

        I agree

        • Posted By: noname567 @ 10/22/2007 10:32:54 PM

          Very well stated. Thank you.

    • Posted By: pjbclove @ 10/22/2007 9:23:35 PM

      I absolutely agree with calling on the Lord instead of men who really know nothing more than you or I ,on how to fix their problems, or anyone elses.Even if you don't or won't step foot in a church, you can still watch uplifting messages on T.V from people who speak the truth right out of the Bible.Or if you feel you need counsiling, you can request a Christian counselor.I do beleive that you can develope mental disorders,(let's face it, life can get pretty bad and no one ever promised it would be fair), but i beleive the reason life can be too much a burden to bare and we lose ourselves and our ability to cope is because we dont pray or call on the one person who is above all inteligence and understanding,and give our burdens to him and ask him for help. If your ever looking for that right answer,the Lord has it!

  • Posted By: overtheedge @ 10/22/2007 8:43:58 PM

    I think that eveyone should go back and reread the artical. It neither agreed with or dissagreed with DID as a real issues, it simple stated what one woman talked about with her doctor. Form your own opinions but do so in a manner that makes sence to the item you are reading. Good Lord calm down a little.

    • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 4:30:29 AM

      'Tis only the tip of the iceberg, dear. It's too controversial not to yell about it ^.^"

  • Posted By: sebastian @ 10/22/2007 9:15:41 PM

    Um. Shorty is an idiot. I think a demon must have kept you out of school.

    • Posted By: shortie @ 10/22/2007 9:25:27 PM

      It would be spelled Shortie....... Iidot..... I have a masters degree in Business. I beat your ass my salary of
      175k would just prove your are the Idiot. So go play your video games Emo.......

      • Posted By: Todd82TA @ 10/22/2007 9:27:20 PM

        Bragging about your salary just proves insecurity. :)

        • Posted By: shortie @ 10/22/2007 9:38:43 PM

          Nope.... Wrong Again....

          • Posted By: Todd82TA @ 10/22/2007 10:12:54 PM

            Clearly, it was important to you that everyone knows what your salary is. You're obviously very proud of it, and I'm certainly happy for you. How don't you know that maybe Sebastian makes more than you? How would that make you feel? By your logic, that would make Cecil Collins a very smart individual. Clearly he's not. He made exactly five times what you make, but where did he end up?

            • Posted By: QuietlyMe @ 10/23/2007 4:28:32 AM

              Actually shorty's comment regarding his salary makes me think of something my grandma used to say...."Those who brag don't have!!!"

          • Posted By: sebastian @ 10/22/2007 9:44:18 PM

            um. It's spelled shorty unless you are from the hood. Did you get your MBA from Compton State College. I bet you use all of your fabulous wealth to buy spinning rims.

            • Posted By: shortie @ 10/22/2007 9:53:13 PM

              LOL...... Go read a book Emo....

  • Posted By: Starletteprincess@msn.com @ 10/22/2007 7:43:22 PM

    Comment : To Kyakfisher
    Obviously it???s a little more complicated than just choosing not to deal with life problems. You can???t really make assumptions like that after only reading a summary of an entire book. You weren???t there during 17 years of therapy; therefore you have not idea what she or the doctor went through. She is human and so are you; try to have a little compassion for real life issues rather that just make the assumptions that people are trying to escapes life???s many problems. The fact that you were so judgmental about a person you don???t even know, gives reason to wonder how judgmental you are with people you don???t know.

    • Posted By: kayakfisher @ 10/22/2007 8:07:26 PM

      blah-blah

      • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 4:04:25 AM

        Saying blah-blah just means that you can't defend your obviously prejudiced statements. All you've been saying is insults throughout the entire discussion page, yet you haven't offered any defense. You've stated that you worked psych before, but I seriously doubt that considering your childish comments. What are you, nine? I understand what you mean about the fakers and all, but really, who would be patient enough to pull such a large scale fraud as you so obviously believe? And I do believe one of your opponents have pointed out that the money isn't very much anyway. Then again, it's useless arguing with people like you anyway, because you'll only feel more justified the more opposition you have. People like you will never change your opinions, but please, at least listen to logic every once in a while.

  • Posted By: brianfife @ 10/22/2007 7:41:09 PM

    there is no doubt it is demonic possession. it's a shame in today's "modern" world we have looked beyond that and considered it ancient superstition. There are some legit mental disorders, but something like multi-personaility and the like are nothing short of evil spirits. too bad scientist and psychologist consider themselves too "intellectual" to consider truth. www.myspace.com/fullnessofthegentiles

    • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 3:45:00 AM

      Or maybe you're too "medieval" for this age, dear. We DO live in an age where concrete evidence is needed to prove a wild theory. While it's true that sometimes some cases of DID was fake, and more often the cases are real, I don't think demons have anything to do with it. You got to remember that it's people like you who hurt children like Karen used to be, screaming that "You deserve this punishment" and drowning them in cold water in hopes of an 'exorcism'. My guess is that Karen's father and grandfather were lead astray in their logic somewhere and where convinced like you were. It probably didn't help that Karen's changing behavior from Claire to Myles to that other lady gave what seemed like proof to their eyes that she was evil. It's a sad day when people refuse to listen and think beyond their prejudices. And unlike the phoney cases that happen occassionally, I believe that Karen's case is real. Dr. Baer is right; there is simply no way that a normal woman bent on fraudulation could hold up for nearly 17 years and NEVER get their story mixed, nor able to imitate the voices exactly as they were spoken. And if I have to go to your level to argue, then I am going to say that all the demons I've ever heard of in stories and all that don't really sound so patient as to go that far.

    • Posted By: psychRN @ 10/22/2007 7:55:39 PM

      It is a legitimate mental illness and has nothing to do with evil spirits. The perpetrators of abuse are the only evil part of this disorder. Sometimes they even perpetrate in the "name of God" and more than one of them I have known about are pastors. Your "truth" is not backed up by facts.

      • Posted By: Crusader @ 10/23/2007 2:44:41 AM

        What is your evidence for stating that the only evil is in the perps. I was married to a DID woman for twenty years, her abuse was satanic in nature and imposed on her from infant to 17 years of age when I married her and moved away from the abuse (which didn't show until 6 years into our marriage. I have been scared beyond my ability to share, held down by evil spirts, seen them fly through windows while being woke by my wifes intense screams. She has spoke in violent tones in tongues while being held down by a congregation of church members while another lady translated. This is all real stuff, physical and spiritual.

      • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:22:23 AM

        Very true. The love of my life was the son of a minister, who would beat him and tell him that he was the "spawn of Satan." A very Godly way to behave, eh? and then he wondered why his son had problems.

        • Posted By: jewels1958 @ 10/23/2007 2:19:20 AM

          I find it hard to believe in this day and age of education, that people still believe in the the boogie man (aka the devil/satan) and demons......

    • Posted By: nina_illinois @ 10/22/2007 7:55:28 PM

      the evil is the sickos who commit attrocities on childen, not the children whose minds break to cope with the evil.

  • Posted By: mfrancis53 @ 10/23/2007 3:32:13 AM

    I am so glad to see this subject treated so responsibly in the mainstream media. Thank you Newsweek for your integrity in approaching the higly controversial topic of DID with an open mind and honesty.
    My adopted daughter who is now grown has DID. She endured severe abuse and torture as a child growing up in her birth family. As the article states dissociative identity disorder is hard to believe much less understand until you are close to someone who has it and then you see first hand it is real. At first I thought it was bizarre but now I have grown to see that it was a coping mechanism that kept her alive and functioning during the horrendous years of her severe, chronic abuse. I now feel that it is God's beautiful way of surviving the unimaginable.
    In addition to my daugther I have been privileged to know two other women who have DID as a coping mechanism to survive severe trauma. My daughter and these women are truly the bravest, most creative, and intelligent people I have ever met. The wisdom and inner strength they have developed in order to endure has truly been inspirational to me and has impacted my life greatly. It is now time that people in the counseling profession, in the medical profession, in law enforcement, and the general public embrace these survivors and support them, listen to them, and learn from them.
    Melanie

  • Posted By: psychRN @ 10/22/2007 7:38:11 PM

    I have been fortunate enough to have worked with a patient who had MPD (now DID) on an inpatient acute care psychiatric unit. She was very disturbed by the memories of her childhood abuse that continued to flood her during the entire 30 day stay. She was also one of the real survivors in this world and I came to have great admiration and respect for her. Once you have seen an MPD patient, you will never doubt its existence.

    • Posted By: earth2joy @ 10/22/2007 8:49:15 PM

      As an actress, psychology is a part of my art. Interestingly, though, another psychiatric issue has occurred in my life as a result of my profession. Sibling rivalry to an extreme that would prompt slander and libel with the use of psychiatric diagnoses such as DID, and more (against me). Is there a label or defined illness for people who are consumed with jealousy? I ask with complete objectivity.

      • Posted By: modsaint @ 10/22/2007 9:46:10 PM

        again you need to get over your narcissism really

        • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 3:31:42 AM

          I'm sorry, earth, but this is a discussion on DID. Your problem isn't going to be solvable here, because if you actually think about it, your problem really does not relate to DID at all. Go seek counseling if you seriously think it's a problem, but quit asking that same question over and over here. As a grown woman, you should have developed more than just your narcissism, dear.

  • Posted By: John Rork @ 10/22/2007 11:39:29 PM

    The mind is very adaptive and the creation of MP's appears to be a mechanism that allows a person to bear what would otherwise be unbearable. When in later life, the personalities have outlived their usefulness, is when I suspect a person seeks psychiatric help to reintegrate into a function person. They may not be consciously aware of this desire, but the cost of maintaining the severe compartmentalization and fragmented identies takes its toll. On a deeper level there would appear to be a desire to collapse these distinctions into a core personality. I suspect that minor variants of this disorder are normal, just as people take on roles, (mother, worker, child, teacher, et cetera), but that it is pushed way beyond the normal limits and forcibly segragated, as a survival/coping mechanism. In a sense then, I would not qualify MP as a disorder during the period it permits a person to cope. It is later, when it is an exaggerated and maladaptive behaviour that it is a disorder that needs treatment. My personal suspicion is that some of the entheogens,such as psilocybin could be useful in the proper setting and with a trusted and entheogically experienced.psychotherapist. In support of this ascertain, please read the following article:

    http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html

    • Posted By: Riverfever @ 10/23/2007 3:30:54 AM

      That's an interesting piece, John. I was nauseated at the lack of informed consent and what amounts to abuse of children as lab rats. But certainly the use of entheogens as agents of soul healing goes way back in human history and continues in some cultures. It would be interesting to learn more about how cultures which have integrated these substances into their healing practices, view conditions that we call schizophrenia and DID. Perhaps we could learn a thing or two.

  • Posted By: jasminerose @ 10/22/2007 7:33:42 PM

    MPD aka DID is more than a coping mechanism. It is a blessing, a GIFT in the highest sense. It takes a very intelligent being to create such a complex mechanism to survive until they are actually capable of processing the information the tender minds could not absorb!

    • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 3:28:18 AM

      Like the others, I have to say, very well said, dear. I wish more people took that type of positive attitude towards people like Karen.

    • Posted By: Debbie5235 @ 10/22/2007 9:04:37 PM

      Well said Jasmineros.. Well said. It is indeed a blessing..

      • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 1:16:56 AM

        you could not have said it better than this....KUDOS to your wisdom.

  • Posted By: irishred2232 @ 10/22/2007 7:26:36 PM

    Psych major maybe you should consider that these people are simply showing compassion and support. Last time I checked you did not need a PHD for that. Also coming from a person who has also sufferd trama, abuse and other things i wont mention your lack of inderstanding and compassion not just for the patient but your blatant disregard for those who are offering it only leads me to hope that you will never treat a patient who clearly needs help. Perhaps you should look at yourself instead of condeming others.

    • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 3:26:46 AM

      I don't know why you're taking offense over the PhD remark. He's WAS only defending the woman against kayak.

    • Posted By: CoolToo22@Hotmail.com @ 10/22/2007 7:40:03 PM

      I'm not sure I get yor comment - Psych Major seems to be very informed as well as very empathetic - What's up ???

  • Posted By: juliewilton @ 10/22/2007 6:50:48 PM

    these manifestations of multiple personalities are clearly demons. and only Jesus can remove them. not some fruitcake priest attempting exorcism.

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:35:02 AM

      I just have to say it--guess I'm a sucker for being threatened with burning at the stake.
      I'm a pagan.
      I do believe that there are evil spirits as well as good ones, but I do not believe that DID or any other mental illness is due to demon possession.
      And I believe that Jesus was a good man and an enlightened spirt. But I do not believe that the Christian church is a particularly good institution. Many abuses have been heaped on people in the name of Christianity. Jesus would be appalled.
      And that is all the further I have to say on that subject.

      • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 3:23:06 AM

        I agree with you, and I live in the Bible Belt!

    • Posted By: cynicalbystander @ 10/23/2007 3:19:03 AM

      Very ignorant thing to say. If everyone followed your thoughts about demons, we'd be back at the time of the Salem Witch Trials. Get out of the medieval ages, julie.

    • Posted By: kayakfisher @ 10/22/2007 7:05:47 PM

      sure....there is no god or demons just a nut case that can not deal with stuff so she makes up these pretend identities so she does not have to deal with lifes problems like most of the population deals with them.

      • Posted By: heartofamerica @ 10/22/2007 7:12:21 PM

        Kayak , perhaps you could use a little therapy yourself to deal with your hate directed at people and situations you have no real clue about nor solid information to base your hate on.

        • Posted By: Gearplayer @ 10/22/2007 7:19:13 PM

          I agree with heartof america on this one. Kayak you sound both ignorant and uneducated. Instead of feeling for someone who grew up in such a terrible way, you make hateful comments... Think before speaking,Kayak.

          • Posted By: kayakfisher @ 10/22/2007 8:19:12 PM

            oh go and cut yourselves borderlines

            • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:36:29 AM

              Go get a gun and do us all a favor by doing yourself, Troll.

      • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:46:21 AM

        if you posted this comment just to get a recognition for your ignorant comment, honey you succeeded well. now, go look in the mirror and maybe you'll see something that might surprise you one of these days.

      • Posted By: mibblejane @ 10/22/2007 7:37:44 PM

        With the lack of compassion you show...I'm really surprised that you even read the article! I'm also glad that you have had absolutely no tragedies in your life to deal with and your years of growing up were remarkably splendid! Goody for you!!!!

      • Posted By: cjdnb4 @ 10/22/2007 7:25:04 PM

        How do expect someone to act after they have been tortured and abused the way this woman was? You create multiple personalites to "Deal with life" . She sought therapy and that is what saved her life. you need to have some compassion Kayak

      • Posted By: HonorH @ 10/22/2007 7:14:42 PM

        Most of the population doesn't have to deal with having been tortured the way she was as a child. Have a little compassion.

    • Posted By: kayakfisher @ 10/22/2007 7:07:25 PM

      sure...there is no demons or god, only a nut case that can not deal with lifes problems so she makes up different personalities so she does not have to deal with life or be held accountable for her actions

      • Posted By: CAreTaker57 @ 10/23/2007 1:08:00 AM

        you're from the bible belt and are probably the same way as her father and grandfather were. You're one of those self righteous bible thumping maniacs who believes women are the weaker sex and if you don't shove your emotions down your throat and eat them it makes you weak. people like you sicken me.

      • Posted By: dhcrystal @ 10/22/2007 9:18:43 PM

        Kayakfisher, you're the nut case. You are also an ignorant dolt. How should a child whose personality is only just forming handle abuse from a supposedly trustworthy parent? I was married to a woman for nearly 30 years who grew up in a terribly abusive home. Mercifully, she passed away a few years ago because even in her 40s she was a tormented soul. Reading this article brought shudders to me as I saw much of my wife in this story. And, no.... this is not a disorder that a mythological god spirit can cure any more than painting a zebra will turn it into a horse. Dr. Baer is to be commended for his work.

      • Posted By: mibblejane @ 10/22/2007 7:46:13 PM

        Wow! The lack of compassion surprises me that you would even read an article on another human being! And then follow-thru with some comments! Double wow! I'm glad to hear that you had a splendid childhood and have had no tragedies in your life to mar it!

      • Posted By: CoolToo22@Hotmail.com @ 10/22/2007 7:35:14 PM

        Another REAL SIMPLE REPLY HERE - "dude" you're a total idiot yourself!

      • Posted By: cjdnb4 @ 10/22/2007 7:21:36 PM

        When you have been abused and tortured as a child in a way this woman was - you create these multiple personalities to help you "Deal " with lifes problems. She never got the proper upbringing - so how do you expect her to cope with life. At least she sought therapy to get better. That was a very cold-hearted statement that you make Kayak

    • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:55:09 AM

      Julie, dang....i'm so surprised you have the capability of logging into Newsweek, creating an account, thought of what to post....which normally would require using your brain to think, then yet posted as an ignorant dumb *** comment like this.

    • Posted By: dhcrystal @ 10/22/2007 9:11:50 PM

      Ah... juliewilton... like so many other misguided good christian folk who would abuse their own children behind closed doors. You are an idiot or a simpleton if this is your solution to everything. I grew up in a missionary family in Asia and have spent a lifetime around evangelicals whose lack of grasping life's complexities always came out like your comment. And these people have the audacity to call themselves the Moral Majority?! I think the description is perhaps more aptly described as the ignorant masses. Not much different from the religious fanatics in the rest of the world we are now fighting and losing our own kids to.

    • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 7:42:57 PM

      hey julie, are you sure?

    • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 7:33:04 PM

      demons?......i am a holy-spirit filled full gospel christian......and i am VERY, ALL TOO, familiar with d.i.d....keep your insults to yourself, please

    • Posted By: suziswine @ 10/22/2007 7:12:55 PM

      The only fruitcake here is YOU juliewilton! Give me a break! These people suffered from severe abuse and trauma... If anyone is possessed by demons, it's the rapists and perpetrators.

      • Posted By: Gearplayer @ 10/22/2007 7:25:33 PM

        JulieWilton, that is one of the most absurd comments I have ever heard... the most absurd of course would be the time I was in Kmart as a kid and overheard a crazy woman saying that lightning is from Satan the Devil... but don't you worry, you follow second with Multiple personalities that people form after severe abuse is a demon... again "WOW" You should have to have an I.Q. of at least 80 to post stuff on here. Some of these people are absolute retards.

  • Posted By: CelticStormz @ 10/23/2007 3:12:25 AM

    I've read a lot of these posts. As a person healed of DID, and a person, who goes into trance, I can tell everyone both DID, and spirits exist.. I can invite them to incorporate into my body(usually male children, occasionally an older man who loves animals) during trace states, which I learned to do, from meditations I started at 7 to recover from the abuse my body had taken.
    This all stated when my father, beat me on a daily basis for no reason at all., also one of my stepmothers, sexually abused me, on Sundays, when my dad would take my brother out.. I was removed, by CYS at age 11(almost 12) after my father almost killed me with a kick to the forehead, with a steeltip workboot.
    While in foster care, I would find myself miles away, from "home" wearing clothes that weren't mine, and way too big for me, with no ability to recall how I got where I was, or how I got into the clothes I was wearing.
    After over 4 years of daily(Mon-Fri.) therapy, it was during a session, I started recalling small pieces of the puzzle. Brandon, one of my 2 "alters" who was 19, would take over my body, during the sexual abuse, since he as a man knew how to deal with it.
    Joe, who was a 22 year old strongman, would take over during the beatings, because he couldn't be hurt.
    I would simply go away, during these events, which started at 7 and occured throughout the next 4 1/2 years.
    I thought the meditations were working. Hah.
    I'm proud to be one person today at 40,. I think anyone who hasn't been there, can't comprehend, and would rather discredit, those who have.

    JC (Philly)

  • Posted By: RainSoulTamer@msn.com @ 10/23/2007 2:54:19 AM

    I am 52 years old , I am not saying I have MPD. I just know I can't remember any of my childhood before I was 5 years old. I was told by my mother that my father was very abusive. That he hit me over the head with an iron skillet. that made me cross eyed. I have been abused by men most of my life, until I can get along with them. You could say that I hate men because what has happen to me while I was growing up. I have been raped 5 times. I am the type now that I can live without sex and I am content about that. I believe in MPD but I don't think I have that. I have gone to a doctor but he thinks it is best for me not to remember my childhood before I was 5 years. That it might hurt me more, that something happen to me for me to block that part of my childhood

  • Posted By: diannes @ 10/23/2007 2:46:08 AM

    This is great news to know Karen was healed. Most of us can but it is sad for those of us that can not afford the high cost of long term treatment. Majority of us have to figure how to help cope through books like Karen. I hope someday that all with DID will be able to receive the help and approval from the mental communities and public. No one knows that I share this body with many many others. Only the theraptist that I had for a short time. I was 50 years old before I was diagnosed correctly with DID. I have learned how to live with all of them, I would not of be able to live through it all if it was not for the splitting, I own my live and thankful for the gift from God the coping skills of DID. It is the only way to stay normal and functioning. And best of all ..Know one can see it in me, unless you are trained in DID or I choose to allow you to meet the other, It ia a BIG SECRET that no one knows about...Staying safe alwayss..Good job to all that recover and be very Proud, It is a long and painful recovery but worth all the long hard work..Dianne







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  • Posted By: mgorospe @ 10/22/2007 11:43:26 AM

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    • Posted By: moonwriterchild @ 10/22/2007 8:37:16 PM

      After reading all the comments, I would like to say there is a different sort of problem that is just as grueling...that is being an integrated personality who is not accepted as they are. As a women, I have so many requests to be so many different people and personalities in order to conform to other people visions of what other person I should be. I have to fight hard to be who I truly am. I am a college educated woman who likes jeans and horses, but also like fashionable dresses and heels. Yet, it seems my husband, my fellow teachers, my children and grandchildren have a different idea about what I should wear, what I should say and not say and what I should be doing with my life. What is this "disorder" called?

      • Posted By: the real cheryl @ 10/23/2007 2:44:03 AM

        I would reply to them: "Leave me alone. I am an adult and I will dress as I see fit. Their disorder is: not minding their own business or not having enough to do. It could be some kind of Munchausen by proxy kind of thing. Are you from or living in the MIdwest where I grew up. I found the midwest full of such overl opionated people. I moved to the Washington state in 1980 and I am only subjected to this kind of berating when I visit the family. Because of their continual snide remarks and my ongoing depression i only visit once every 8 years or so.
        had plenty of neglect and abuse during my childhood; none serious enough to give me anything worse than depression which is the most severe ever right now. After reading about Karen and the other posts, I think that if a person or child won't get relief from their situation. That imaginary friend or escape mechanism is the only thing getting them through the hard stuff. I went through hard stuff with nothing to console myself and I actually grew up thinking I was a bad, stupid and all the other mean things.
        The only way I know to keep those nosy pests away and keep your sanity is to be very careful when you answer their questions and comments. If you have been defensive with them in the past, imagine how confused they will be if you say"You are absolutely right" or "absolutely, I''ll consider that" in response to one of their nosy ideas. Keep a teeny touch of sarcasm in your voice and most importantly: DO WHAT YOU DAMN PLEASE.! YOU GO DO IT YOUR WAY. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING INDEPENDENT!

      • Posted By: cappagirl @ 10/22/2007 9:47:20 PM

        Hi moonwriterchild. I couldn't help thinking that what you said sounds like power and control.
        You are the only person who should decide what to wear and say and what to do with your life.
        You need to find out who you are and then stand tall.

      • Posted By: earth2joy @ 10/22/2007 8:43:27 PM

        I am so glad that I'm not the only one who has this life issue to deal with! My sisters diagnosed me as DID after I refused to quit being an actress. Specifically, I was ordered to quit the run of a play after I'd gotten an amazing review "anchors the group with yet another nuanced portrayal" and my photo across the entire top half of the Houston Chronicle's Lifestyle sections front page! What is the "jealousy" disorder? What is the "controtlling manipulative disorder?. It's harder for you, but for me, I siply quit taking their phone calls. Hey, best of luck! Shrinks need to address this disorder as it is certainly the source of many others.

        • Posted By: modsaint @ 10/22/2007 9:38:00 PM

          get over yourself pleeeeaase!

  • Posted By: YOURLTTLSCRET @ 10/23/2007 12:17:23 AM

    HI, I am just curious, has anyone done this? When a alternate personality emerges; with physical characteristics, manerisms or other manifestations....Has anyone gotten lab work on the patient/personality??? For example; # 10 personality: John Doe; has the lower voice, adult comversation of an middle aged male: draw lab work on him/her...something that would show up in an older male and not a female. I gues PSA is out, but surely there are other labs that are more prevalent in older males vs female. It would be interesting to see. The same would go for a child, ie; labs for an adult femal vs child....hmmm :)
    Just curious, Jayne~

    • Posted By: Stormcloud @ 10/23/2007 2:43:01 AM

      You are not a freak there documented medical cases where alters have different lab values. These case are in the medical journals. Just like PET scans of alters show different results. So it sounds like you had this happen. I am constantly throwing curve balls at my MD because I have unique reactions to different medications and therapies. So don't think you are alone it happens to a lot of us. Stormcloud

    • Posted By: 2mnynuts @ 10/23/2007 1:58:43 AM

      Jayne your a freak. The mentally ill are not a side show or source of amusement!

      • Posted By: mnotcrzyjsthurt @ 10/23/2007 2:29:15 AM

        2mnynuts you are the nut. Ever considered therapy? It might do you some good. Especially with that sarcastic/angry tone. Hope you find a good therapist...... you REALLLLY need it!

  • Posted By: charlotteteresa @ 10/23/2007 12:29:49 AM

    I am somewhat concerned that my ex-husband may have some form of this disorder. I am certain that he was sexually abused as a child, he says by his brother, but I believe by his father, as his brother is dead and it is easier to blame it on him. His father has molested every neice and grandaughter (they have all admitted it after one came out) and I would be willing to bet the boys as well, but they won't come out because of the stigma. He is now living with his parents. For a time the kids were going there to visit him, but I ended that . I really need more information on this because I am very frightened for my children, a boy and a girl. I need to know what to ask them and how to ask it so they feel they can be honest. I don't want to plant anything in their minds, but I am afraid they could have been exposed and I don't want this happening to them as I know it did to their father.

    I am beginning to believe that it is due to his abuse as a child that he is a pathological liar, a sociopath, and a sex addict. I just don't want my children exposed.

    • Posted By: 2mnynuts @ 10/23/2007 1:41:30 AM

      If they want to see him make sure it is supervised, protect your kids at all costs, and since you are separated from their father, which can be very upsetting.Try use the net to find appropriate therapy in your area. It need not be expensive because there are programs for kids. Best of luck! p.s. he sounds too much like my ex. Ann

      • Posted By: Stormcloud @ 10/23/2007 2:37:58 AM

        Give me a break just because he has DID does not make him a minster and does not mean he will injure his children. I like I said in my posting have over 100 personalities and I have raised 8 kids I have worked hard harder than most parents in protecting my children. I have been called demon possed I have gone through custody suits and won because I was the better parent. Yes parenting is difficult but it is even more difficult But! not impossible with an extreme abuse background. I tend to be more supious of people and am more wary. My children have grown into responsible adults. Besides being a mom I go to school full time am an accomplished artist and have a fulltime job. So don't think that it doesn't looks more like you want a reason to keep your ex from the children. People with your attitude is why people with DID can not live their lives in the open and be accepted with out fear of losing their jobs , friends, and relationships. StormCloud

      • Posted By: Stormcloud @ 10/23/2007 2:32:15 AM

        Give me a break just because he has DID does not make him a minster and does not mean he will injure his children. I like I said in my posting have over 100 personalities and I have raised 8 kids I have worked hard harder than most parents in protecting my children. I have been called demon possed I have gone through custody suits and won because I was the better parent. Yes parenting is difficult but it is even more difficult But! not impossible with an extreme abuse background. I tend to be more supious of people and am more wary. My children have grown into responsible adults. Besides being a mom I go to school full time am an accomplished artist and have a fulltime job. So don't think that it doesn't looks more like you want a reason to keep your ex from the children. People with your attitude is why people with DID can not live their lives in the open and be accepted with out fear of losing their jobs , friends, and relationships. StormCloud

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