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  • Posted By: anna6890 @ 10/23/2007 1:21:19 AM

    I'm very gratefuol for this story, when i was years old we found out my mother had MPD. She had 13 very diffrent personalities. Each had different ages. I remember one that was about 2 or 3 years old and wouldn't speak at all and would wet herself. Another was 13 and used to play dolls with me and had a very different voice from that of my mother. The one that was 16 was extremely suicidal and used to run arund the house pounding on windoes, then slash her wrists. My mom still carris all these scars. MPD is a very real thing, and yes it is very rare. We late found out that starting from the time my mom was 2 she bagan to be sexually abused by her uncles, later on she had a step father who would rape her until she ran away from home. While on the streets a man took her captive in his basement for several months raping her whenever he chose to until she once again escaped. It took many years in therapy for her t get to where she is today. Today all the personalitie have been reconnected, thought she still fights many of the memories because they were extremly tramatic. During the time we found out about this we used to be avid churchgoers, our pastor at the time said that my mom was demon possesed. This kind of belief is so backwards it's sad. People who would deny that there could be an actual physical answer because of traumas in the past have such closed minds they can't see the forest through the trees. I hope that this book sheds light on this very real problem and makes to so that people may be open to talking about it more. This problem is not demon possesion it's simplythe minds way of dealing with troubling events.

    • Posted By: anna6890 @ 10/23/2007 1:24:00 AM

      Having typing issues tonight, sorry for all the typos, I was 8 years old when we found out about my mother.

  • Posted By: AngelShadow @ 10/22/2007 7:55:04 PM

    This is an issue I have an intense interest in. I agree that multiple personalities occur...more often than we think.

    I wrote a short story entitled, The Shadow People, about a woman dealing with MPD. Anyone interested in reading it can find it here: www.Writing.com/authors/angelshadow7

    • Posted By: nina_illinois @ 10/22/2007 7:58:16 PM

      If you are a writer, why do you use "entitled" instead of the proper "titled"? Your story is not "entitled" to anything. Please look up this word in the dictionary to find its true meaning. Sorry, but people who use "entitled" instead of "titled" is a pet peeve.

      • Posted By: flibidyflob @ 10/22/2007 8:09:08 PM

        It's a Freudian slip. Everyone is a "writer" these days. Even all these people that have no grammar skills and don't know the difference of one word from another. Oh yeah, and they all feel a sense of "entitlement." ;)

        • Posted By: xXSurvivorXx @ 10/22/2007 9:03:29 PM

          I keep seeing your s/n throughout the posts on this forum, and every single one of them is something negative, something to knock down someone else. Why in the heck did you read this article in the first place, and why do you keep posting on it, when you have nothing intellectual to say? JMO.

          • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:19:51 AM

            Agreed. He or she needs to take their troll self elsewhere.

    • Posted By: duncan_butterfly @ 10/22/2007 8:34:15 PM

      Thank you for the invitation to read your story. I certainly will if I get a chance. Don't pay any attention to the snide comments. It is quite something to write a story and then invite the world's critique. You've got more guts than I do.

  • Posted By: TheForgotten @ 10/23/2007 12:24:39 AM

    I am a believer of emotional dissorders. There are things that happened to me that were forgotten until I was an adult having my own children. How can you forget? I get true physical symptoms when in or around certain situations. I can not breath. I feel clostaphobic. I will verbally snap at one of my children as if I am just in an irritable mood, but in actuallity my neck is hot and I get to where I can not think straight and I just want them to get out of my space. I have never said this and sometimes I just say I have a headache. I was verbally, and physically abused by both my adopted mom and birth mom. I remember a time when I was in grade school. It was late and my mom was yelling at me . She was always on me and many times literally . She would sit on top of my stomach, place one hand over my mouth, and hit me with the belt, shoe, or sticker branch. This time I was exhausted and could not deal with her any more. She had hit me so much, and yelled that I desperately needed a break. She finally came back into her room where she had sat me down or I had ended up after trying to run from her and Raggedy Ann told me to wait there with her behind a brick wall. Their dog was with us. As she stood on my left Andy said not to come out and he let go of my right hand. I liked it there, but it was like hiding in a small room. I didn't want to stay just standing there forever. When I woke up-or came to-my mom was wailing on me with a belt and I know I must have had a very confussed look on my face. I asked my mom why are you hitting me in my sleep. She said what? I am not even awake and you are hitting me for no reason. She said that I was wide awake and talking back to her. I had suppressed this memory for years(the whole event) when one day I bought a raggedy Ann and Andy coloring book for my daughter. As I was coloring in it one day it all came back to me. I will never forget how he helped me get through that night and was there for me......Or me for myself......I also had an imaginary friend and her name was shooter. She was nice and okay. She was a bit of a tomboy and was not a girl that my mom would have approved of because of her lack of edicit(?)Any way she seem to come to mind, so to speak, when I was in my mom's bathroom. She became a little mischievious in a mean way and I tried hard to not think of her... This went on for a long time as the abuse never did stop..Until one day the thought of poison of some kind in my mom's coffee was tempting. Thank God there was not any under the sink or convinient anywhere. I think that I decided not to be friends with her because she was going to or encourage me to hurt or kill my mom. At times I loved my mom almost as much as I hated her.

    • Posted By: Jonimarie @ 10/23/2007 1:19:29 AM

      The Forgotten--Please see a therapist. I don't know how old your own children are, but as things come flashing back to you, you need help dealing with them, so you don't freak out your children. Sometimes, when powerful memories come rushing back, you might say something to your children you'd later regret. Please seek professional help.
      Joni

  • Posted By: flibidyflob @ 10/22/2007 8:02:30 PM

    It's called ACTING. This condition is so bogus that you can even ask many psychiatrists about it's validity and they will say it's nonsense. In this age of psychiatry EVERYONE can be fitted to some condition they've made up. The worst part of it all is they are doing it to every kid out there now. Thanks to an ex-wife who thought she was so knowledgable that she didn't need my parenting input, only it's money, and a psychologist that has had my child on one drug after another since he was 6 years old I know have an adult that thinks all problems are dealt with by taking a pill. And yet that doesn't work. I'm sick of the idiocy of most of you people that can't take responsibility for yourselves. IT'S SICKENING AND IT'S RUINING OUR COUNTRY. It's making us so weak we'll be lucky to survive. It sickens me that it's allowed to go on and my childs life gets ruined until he wakes up to what's happening, if he ever does.

    You know why this patient was so difficult doctor? Because they were putting you on. This isn't a game people. Wake up and take responsibility for your behaviors.

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:18:42 AM

      You, sir or madam, have a far worse condition. In fact, it's a multiple condition. It's called prejudice, intolerance and ignorance. Does your arm happen to stiffen and spring up over your head whenever you hear "Die Fanne Hoch?"

    • Posted By: hopeace @ 10/22/2007 9:26:40 PM

      I too have a child, now grown, who takes drugs that are prescribed by psychiatrists. And while I know she needed help, to be drugged all of the time has only made her worse, but she can't see it. There is nothing I can do about it. She is being sacrificed to this idea that everything is solved with a pill. BUT I do not presume to know that everyone's illness is just made up. Would you insist that a brain tumor was someone's way of avoiding responsibility?... You don't have all of the answers any more than anyone else.

  • Posted By: k45kelley @ 10/22/2007 7:19:26 PM

    As an adult diagnosed 3 years ago with DID Karen has all my empathy and then some. I understand the hell she had to have gone through and could still live today. I have lost members of my family who do not believe in this diagnosis and who do no longer recognize me as a family member. I have been hospitalized more times than I can count both at my local medical center and at the MacLean Hospital in Boston.

    • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 1:14:50 AM

      stay strong and never lose faith and hope. god bless.

  • Posted By: noreenf @ 10/22/2007 8:18:22 PM

    Comment to: flibidyflob: I'm sorry that you feel that you were left out of parenting your son. You could be right, he could be too dependent on meds now. But if you want to have a relationship with him, you can't be so negative about how his life has gone so far. If you remain negative, he might take meds just so he doesn't turn out like dear old dad. Be less negative, less critical of his mother but still be honest with him. If you ask him if he'd consider trying to live life without meds, it means a commitment on your part. A commitment to to not be negative, a commitment to encourage him to get healthy in all aspects of his life including diet, exercise, spiritually. But most of all letting him know that if all else fails, and he has to go back on meds, that you will still love him as your son. Because you would rather have him here alive and on meds than dead and free of meds. It's all about forgiveness and unconditional love. So forgive your wife and love your son unconditionally. Perhaps they will forgive you and love you unconditionally also.

    • Posted By: flibidyflob @ 10/22/2007 8:29:44 PM

      Don't EVEN BEGIN to tell me how to deal with it. My god you are pathetic. You are there and you pretend to think you know how I deal with it? YOU must either be one of these "doctors" or you've spent plenty of time listening to the bullshit. First of all you ASSume because I wrote factually about what took place that I'm dealing with it negatively. Way to ASSume. Second of all, it's not about him going back on meds. They've done nothing for him except teach him how to deal with life improperly and so he looks for answers in putting illegal substances in his body. If he has to go back on meds, my god, wake up. This was a chase to explain lack of parenting and make it about ADHD, something very rampant and wrong in our society. Who says I'd don't present a positive outlook for him? Stop ASSuming about a situation which you know zilch about. I've been very involved in learning about this industry since my son was stuffed into it by his mother and also in dealing with it myself. MPD is nonsense. ADHD is nonsense. MPD is a cry for help by someone who's unable to express it otherwise, they don't actually have multiple personallities. ADHD is, IS, a parenting problem.

      • Posted By: xXSurvivorXx @ 10/22/2007 9:12:30 PM

        Why are you on this forum? All you do is post negative posts, in response to what other ppl say, and do what ever you can to knock them down. And yes, ADHD is real. My son was dx'd with it 3yrs ago, and he has been on 3 different medications(not at the same time, of course) for it, but had side effects from each of them, therefore, I will not allow his psychiatrist to try him on any others. My son is also dx'd with ODD and Aspergers. According to his psychiatrist, 68% of boys who are initially dx'd with ADHD are later dx'd with ODD.
        As far as MPD goes, I really have no idea if it truly exists. I've yet to meet a person with it. I myself have schizoaffective disorder, anxiety disorder, and PTSD. I was molested by my older brother from the time I was 7yrs old until I was a teenager, and moved out of my parents' house when I was 16yrs old.
        I guess I just don't understand why you would read an article you already have your mind made up that the theory presented doesn't exist, and then go on a rampage attacking other ppl who post on the forum. IDK, maybe you are really bored. JMO. :)

        • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:14:38 AM

          Hi,
          As a person who is intolerant of most meds myself I did a lot of research into natural help for certain problems. I don't know if it would help your son but there are a lot of books on food additives and natural help for ADHD or ADD. Some people are tremendously sensitive to food additives.
          One sneaky little item that is in many foods (chicken soup, cheese flavored crackers and many other things) is monosodium glutamate. This nasty item is an excitotoxin. It is added to enhance the flavor of food. I was able to stop taking asthma medication after I started reading food labels and stopped buying foods that contained MSG. A lot of people with issues such as ADD or ADHD are very sensitive to it.
          Another one to avoid is aspartame. And some people with such issues are also sensitive to food dyes.
          If you have a natural food store in your area, you might see if they have some books on the subject.
          Some doctors are a little too keen on prescribing medications right off the bat. Not that medications are never necessary, but sometimes other avenues work as well if not better.
          Good luck.

      • Posted By: xXSurvivorXx @ 10/22/2007 9:17:23 PM

        OH, and ADHD is in no way, shape, or form, caused by a lack of parenting skills. Perhaps some of my sons' behavior problems are caused by his father being physically abusive to me when we were still married, or being physically abusive to our son. I have a copy of the DSM IV and I don't recall reading anywhere in it that ADHD is caused by bad mothering...

    • Posted By: flibidyflob @ 10/22/2007 9:01:02 PM

      And BTW, they don't need to forgive me. What are they supposd to forgive me for? What did I do other than TRY to help my son for 12 years and get no help from anyone. I've been having to do all the forgiving and sucking up that I'm not gonna give my EX-wife (note the EX you forgot) I told you so's about it and I have. I've been focused on trying to help my son, properly.

  • Posted By: norm14104 @ 10/23/2007 1:10:36 AM

    I am a Recovering alcoholic of 18 years and diagnosed with D.I.D.. Can you inform me the difference between that and MPD? My Ego States run along the line of ACOA Roles as the Hero, the Goat (Reggressed), the Clown, Herald (Impish), the Alcoholic, the Intellectual. One is quite shy as an elderly little fellow rarely seen save under the most secure of situations with my past shrink, Dr. Cagle.

    I do not recall abuse as a very young lad, however my ma told me Dad would toss me across the room as a toddler, slap me and perhaps worse. I do know I was fading and had it not been for my Fred, the next born as a live teddy, I likely could have faded into death.

    Ma was in depression and shock from her own upbringing as the Goat to a drunken banshee of a mother that left her cold and hardly a nuturing mother. Dad was aloof and highly intellegent and that was what Ma went after in her men........drunks with intellegents and abusive/intimidating. Molestation came about 11 and the depersonalization came soon after and fear turned eventually into Agoraphobia, Panic attacks (My Grandma had I found out and likely a Border Line Personality as well.), with Major Depression, Onophobia, a huge aversion to Florescent lights and Photophobia as well.
    I have a BA in Theater and MFA in Acting but the dreams of Acting are gone. Often I find myself in the company of being the Goat among fellow AA er's and Theater types not in Recovery. I had IBS bad the last time at a local Community Theater I went to Hospitall 3 times and ultimately could not go on stage.
    My official Diagnosis was not till 4 years ago and previously was "Schizoid Personality" and "Avoidant Personality" after till finally the D.I. D. stuck. The funny things was in researching my diseases, they ALL fit within the structure of D.I.D. it seemed.
    My biggest issues are interpersonal relations and creating a life that is full.
    Ma and me do much better now as she invested in my therapy for what was originally Sexaul Assault therapy.
    I move to Eugene, OR all by myself am trying to get it together in a setting different from the home town and the dregs of AA.
    There is more but that is well enough and would love two things, first good therapy and the second is an ever estranging daughter now 25. I am still afaid of men as Sponsor types and females have been anything but honest using sex as a lure. Then again, my drunk dom was hardly stellar.
    I don't have a support system for D.I.D. per se, and maybe that is ok.
    Thanks for your time
    norm141@hotmail.com or Norman Robbins
    Thanks again and bless you.
    Ma

  • Posted By: NakedTruth @ 10/22/2007 9:24:12 PM

    She made this all up, come people don't be so gulable, she just wants attention, probably another ugly lonely woman who wants attention. They always are!

    • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 1:10:31 AM

      "another ugly lonely woman who wants attention"......hhhmmmm, are you sure you don't fit in that category?

    • Posted By: Heavennevaeh @ 10/22/2007 11:22:29 PM

      What if she turned out to be a bombshell with big boobs? What would you say about her then. Just a question for ya naked girl? BTW naked, sounds like a stage name? Do I know ya? Haha just kiddin girl.

    • Posted By: spravel @ 10/22/2007 9:52:21 PM

      Seriously? Really great comment. It seems like you scanned the tag line and really summed up everything that the reporter wrote with one short and fabulously stupid comment. Please, do us all a favor and realize that you are not god's gift to woman, or anything, and try posting something of substance. Your blant ignorance should be studied as a possible new mental disorder.

      The lady's life has been hard and if she really is "faking" this, she deserves an Oscar. Who would pay for 17 years of therapy, never allowing anything to be public until now, and then just give one little interview for attention? Come on NakedTruth (stupid name btw), use your little brain and come up with something else.

    • Posted By: skywatcher20 @ 10/22/2007 9:27:21 PM

      comment: What about the men it happens to?????

      • Posted By: blondie @ 10/22/2007 9:40:54 PM

        I once knew a man who had at least 2 personalities. He was abused by his Dad as a child he had been put in a mental institution because of the violence he acted out towards himself years later. His family told me this and it took me several months to recognize the different personalities but you could really tell they were there. I have always felt bad for him but as hard as I tried I could never reach any other persononality than the one I originally met. So if there is a Doc who knows how to integrate that is great. This man I knew was really troubled I remember one story he told me. As a kid he had a pet hamster and his father so upset with him one night stomped the hamster right in front of him. There are many stories like this confirmed by his sister and best friend. If you knew him you too could identify the different personalities. One was still a little boy and the other was a person who was so mean and tough. He was scary mean always out looking for trouble. I could talk to him and never see reactions. He did not treat me the same. After a while I could tell right away when this one would come out because the voice sound was remarkably different. I would be skeptical of anyone claiming to have more than one personality but I know it is possible and its sad someone encountered so much horror in their life this was neccesary.

      • Posted By: Shmeredith @ 10/22/2007 9:36:28 PM

        "She made it all up"? Why do you waste your time reading and writing when you possess zero comprehension?

      • Posted By: skywatcher20 @ 10/22/2007 9:34:47 PM

        You are the reason women become lesbians with your small pea brain!

    • Posted By: rabbitts @ 10/22/2007 9:33:43 PM

      People do not make up abuse, and they cant change what has happen.Abuse such as she endured rewires the mind.

    • Posted By: shortie @ 10/22/2007 9:26:32 PM

      You need to go hide under a rock.... Fool...

  • Posted By: joanastrid @ 10/22/2007 8:37:41 PM

    Oh, for pete's sake, not this garbage again. This is the nonsense of recovered memories again, a fad psychological theory that has been debunked by good research. The phenomenon of DID/MPD is created in people with attention-seeking personality disorders within social groups of other "survivors" of abuse or in therapy with quack therapists. The diagnosis is highly controversial, because most well-trained psychologists and psychiatrists realize that the condition is created by suggestion and that the "recovered memories" of abuse are unlikely to be true. People are TAUGHT to be multiple. You can watch the process yourself on any message board for abuse survivors. The typical "survivor" goes through a long period of doubting her memories and fearing that she is making them all up....because she is. It is through the encouragement of quack therapists and other "survivors" to accept dreams and imagination as memories that the pornographic stories of horrific child abuse and satanic rituals come to be accepted as truth. It is because of this kind of bad therapy and social influence that we saw the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" scares in the 1990's, and it took thousands of dollars and a full-scale FBI investigation to show that the ridiculous stories of widespread networks of cults sexually abusing children did not actually exist. The diagnosis of MPD/DID is given by a subset of quack therapists who are looked upon with disdain by well-trained psychiatrists and psychologists. They make people WORSE by teaching them to uncover bogus repressed and dissociated memories of abuse. Every time we think repressed memories have been thoroughly debunked, another garbage news story like this surfaces to get everyone all excited. The existence of MPD/DID shows that the cancer of repressed memory therapy is still alive in mental health today. Until we get these quacks out of business, women will keep developing false memories of abuse, and their lives will continue to be destroyed as they withdraw from their families and center their lives around being abuse "survivors." What a horrible article, and what a disservice to mental health in this country.

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 1:07:44 AM

      Ok, Joanie Baby, I was sympathetic before, but now I just think you're ignorant. People are not "taught" DID. IT HAPPENS AS A RESPONSE TO HORRIFIC ABUSE! Not all people who are abused develop DID. It usually happens to highly sensitive and, interestingly, highly intelligent individuals. And memories CAN be repressed.
      DID is not the same as false memory syndrome. Very few people with DID report satanic ritual abuse, which is what you keep going on about. Read the DSM-IV. And get a freaking grip. And maybe a life.
      On the other hand, most of the stories that have been told about DID in the media have been exaggerated and partially fictionalized, such as Sybil's story. Sybil was a real person and what she endured was real but the book was written to be more readable. One should read Dr. Cameron West's account of his discovery of his own multiple personalities. He never went to a therapist until his alters started surfacing. There is NO account of satanic ritual abuse, only of hideous sexual abuse by his mother and grandmother. Stop confusing false memory syndrome and reports of Satanic ritual abuse with DID! While if someone was abused in the manner described in some of the satanic ritual abuse cases they might well develop DID, such cases are actually very rare. DID is generally the product of straight up child abuse, usually with a sexual component. Get it right--please!

    • Posted By: sufifish13 @ 10/22/2007 10:51:44 PM

      I won't answer you with abuse of my own, but I will say a few things.

      Not all people who have DID have "recovered" memories. There is an unbelievable amount of real abuse out there. Just pick up the newspaper. My wife has DID, and her father admits to everything he did, and her mother, who stood by without doing a thing is also witness. SOME memories have been repressed and have resurfaced, but she never forgot much of what happened to her. Though I am certain that there are people out there who fake symptoms, (there hasn't been anything that hasn't been faked by someone...) DID is very real.

  • Posted By: COSMIC4YOU @ 10/23/2007 12:46:03 AM

    GOOD LORD!!!!!!!! I AM AMAZED THAT THIS QUACKERY IS STILL ACTIVELY IN USE, BY A FEW OF THE MOST EDUCATIONALLY RESISTANT FOLLOWERS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL CHARLATANS!!! USING CHARISMA INSTEAD OF SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE, AND REGURGITATING IATROGENIC ALLY PRODUCED PATIENTS STORIES- WITH A SERIOUS LACK OF IMAGINATION, TO THE POINT OF BORING ME TO DEATH. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO CRITICAL THINKING? WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE THIRST FOR KNOWLEDGE?
    WHY DO THESE THERAPIST CLING TO THE PAST, AND WELL DEBUNKED BELIEFS, SUCH AS MPD AND DID; WHEN TOP SCIENTIFIC PSYCHIATRISTS OF THE WORLD, AND MEDICAL ASSOCIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD HAVE WARNED ABOUT THE HARM THE OLD THERAPEUTIC TECHNIQUES USED BY DOCTORS; SUCH AS DR. BAER, DR. BRAUN, DR PUTNAM, DR COLIN ROSS, AND THE LIKE. WHO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY SUED FOR MILLIONS FOR MEDICAL MALPRACTICE AND FRAUD. HOW TERRIBLY TRAGIC THAT THIS PATIENT, KAREN SUFFERED NEEDLESSLY FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS IN FRAUDULENT THERAPY!!!! WHEN PERHAPS, ONLY A YEAR OF PROPER THERAPY COULD HAVE SAVED HER AND HER FAMILY FROM NEEDLESS TRAUMA INFLICTED UPON THEM BY A FANATICAL QUACK.

    • Posted By: Ronnie Holt @ 10/23/2007 1:04:09 AM

      I can't believe the morons here in cyber space who still use all capitols when posting comments.

  • Posted By: wapack @ 10/22/2007 7:02:46 PM

    no matter what you call it, it all stems to another controversial issue? Demon Posession

    • Posted By: HAVEATHOUGHT @ 10/22/2007 7:27:27 PM

      DEMONIC POSESSION? HOW ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEM OF ABUSE BY SUPPOSED "TRUSTED" FAMILY MEMBERS. HOW MANY OF US COULD HANDLE THAT AND NOT BE AFFECTED IN SOME WAY? AT LEAST SHE WAS SEEKING HELP WHICH IS MORE THAN CAN BE SAID FOR THE "FAMILY PROTECTORS" !

      • Posted By: Ronnie Holt @ 10/23/2007 1:02:27 AM

        There really are morons out there who still use all capitols? Jesus Mary and Joseph!!!

    • Posted By: k45kelley @ 10/22/2007 7:27:20 PM

      Unbelievable! I am not possessed by demons, I am not looking for attention, I am not a nutcase making up alters so I don't have to deal with life's problems. I am a real person with a real diagnosis if DID. to eavinajr read A Stranger In The Mirror by Marlene Steinberg, it is an excellent book on DID with several case studies. DID is real, is devastating, is a result of horrific abuse for long periods of time.

  • Posted By: trevorg @ 10/22/2007 8:57:35 PM

    What a load of crap!!!!!!!!!
    This Karen Overhill story is total fantasy brought about by the brainwashing techniques of a misquided and /or money making quack.
    How many more innocent families will be destroyed by this nonsense and indeed, how many more preventable deaths must we suffer before the last nail is hammered into the coffin of dangerous pschotherapy?
    My poor mentally ill/suicidal daughter was subjected to this recovered memory crap, sprinkled with multiple personality disorder brainwashing and in only a few short months, her God damn therapukes managed to drive her insane.
    At the end of her young life (25) she was left totally isolated, penniless and thanks to these bastards, without her loving family, (Mom, Dad and her loving younger brother, only 15 months younger than herself).
    Without hope she became totally psychotic/delusional, hanged my precious 2 yr. old grandaughter, then my poor demented daughter hanged herself.
    The malpractice and gross negligence has been proven by forensic psychiatric study into this case, however, there is no law against what these radical feminist bitches have done and they were Government/United Way funded to boot!
    Am I bitter, damn straight! I, a grieving mother/grandmother living in this supposedly best country in the world, (Canada) will never have closure or justice in this worse of cases regarding mental health quackery.
    My beautiful son, who is very close to me and knows how terribly ill his sister was, yet, never thinking this could have happened, has chosen to leave this country and is now living and working on a beautiful island.
    Guess there is still a God.
    Claudette Grieb
    St. Catharines, Ontario
    Canada
    cgrieb@cogeco.ca

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 12:58:40 AM

      Trevor, I'm sorry for your loss. There are unscrupulous psychiatrists/psychologists, but there are also caring ones. Not all of the unscrupulous shrinks are radical feminists, I assure you. I went to one hypnotherapist who was a total nut job and was a man--complete with Van *** beard--looked like Satan's brother. All he wanted to get out of me was talk about sex. I was sixteen at the time!
      Again, my condolences on your loss.

    • Posted By: kentucky @ 10/22/2007 10:18:11 PM

      I will have to agree with treverg that many times the patient is led by the power of suggestion into these very grave illnesses. It could be for the doctor's own noteriety, or it simply could be that they have no clue what is wrong with the patient and this diagnosis is as good as any, better than most because it is so complex, it is hard to pin down and also hard to refute. Once it is suggested to a very sick patient, it more or less gives them some relief because they are led to believe that their illness now has a name. The power of suggestion takes over, and it can do irreperable harm.

  • Posted By: DarwinDonald @ 10/23/2007 12:17:45 AM

    I think my girl freind has this problem. Its crazy to deal with. Im going to leave her.

    • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:57:27 AM

      yes, please run as fast as you can.....she doesnt deserve an ignorant fool like you. and don't bother to come back, okay? have a nice life!

  • Posted By: Freeny @ 10/23/2007 12:54:39 AM

    I believe in DID and can see how it could develop. As a child, I was abused, not sexual but extreme physical abuse and severe emotional trauma--all from evil, brutal stepfather that would dole out beatings with broomsticks, extension cords, his fists, his feet, work boots, planters and the butt of a gun! I also watched him repeatedly beat my mother and siblings, kick the family dog for barking too loudly and drown my with his bare hands to punish me for not washing the dishes fast enough!

    Two of my sister's said he sexuallty molested them, he denied it of course. Yet, I believe them and truly feel it is the reason both turned to drugs and went through man after man later in life. I also believe it is the reason my mother became an alcoholic during my teen years, well after she escaped him and his brutality. I think the guilt of it all was just too much for her to take, even though she was out of the situation.

    I say all this to say, someone that suffers far more trauma than myself, siblings or mother could very well wall themselves off to deal with the situation they find themselves in.... I know there were times during and after those brutal beatings, and all the other crazy stuff I witnessed that II would go somewhere pretty and peaceful...just to be able to cope with my life.

  • Posted By: Serenity14 @ 10/22/2007 9:49:43 PM

    I am so sad and really upset with the ignorant comments I have read here tonight. Especially the ones that judge from their chairs and couldn't possibly understand what someone with DID has coped with all of their life. I have been dx with DID since 1994 and am just now with a therapist who has the compassion and trustworthyness to actually deal with and not judge me/us. WE are at least 16 living in one body and most are children or teens and some adults. Do you have any idea what it is like living with the pain the shame the horror of memories and confrontations with your abuser. Oh I am so sad for you that have the predjudices you have towards something you don't understand. I have not read or seen the movie Sybil and won't because I fear that anything that might sound like what I have gone thru would be minimized if it was similar. I fear or those inside fear not being believed and most of us that I know that have been dx'd with the same do not seek attention we seek understanding and understanding the reality of why we have felt so depressed or anxious and yes we have 2 grown children that love me/us and know some of my insiders and that has been the real blessing they do believe and have played with the children and you that are so cruel and call this dx brought on by the mental health professionals need to look into being a bit more understanding and compassionate. I also had a husband that committed suicide due to his own problems but it wasn't the mental health professionals that drove him to it.

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 12:51:40 AM

      I have made several good friends, and the love of my life has this disorder. It is not fake! It is the product of horrible abuse. And not the "satanic ritual abuse" that some keep blathering on about. Straight up child abuse perpetuated by sick individuals. Some people need to at least read the standard mental health manual and bone up on their understanding of psychiatric diagnoses. DID is a recognized mental disorder. The ignorant fools that are making the narrow minded comments are giving me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach too.
      Your soul splintered into several personalities in order to survive. The fact that you have two children that grew up with your help and who love all of you is testament to the fact that you are a strong person although you might not always feel like it. Best wishes to you.

    • Posted By: Todd82TA @ 10/22/2007 9:55:02 PM

      Please don't be upset with the negative comments some of these people are posting. You have some of the absolute dumbest people on the planet replying to these comments.

  • Posted By: Rich David @ 10/23/2007 12:50:37 AM

    Having lived with a wonderful woman for 20 years with 22 distinct personalities, I can certainly appreciate Ms Overhill struggle and more importantly her courage to face the dragons of the past. Further, I appreciate the courage of Dr. Baer to publish this book as this condition is indeed rare and is indeed very very real.

  • Posted By: cncpro99 @ 10/22/2007 9:50:52 PM

    This is really not that hard to believe. If you understand who the illuminati are then you probably know she is a generational mind slave. Research it!!!

    • Posted By: Todd82TA @ 10/22/2007 9:58:41 PM

      Oh brother here we go... now they're coming out of the wood-work.

      • Posted By: joanastrid @ 10/22/2007 10:10:29 PM

        Comment: This is really not that hard to believe. If you understand who the illuminati are then you probably know she is a generational mind slave. Research it!!!

        See? Here is the typical MPD/DID survivor. There is either a sadistic pedophile ring, or a satanic cult, or a government mind control project involved. The typical MPD/DID survivor has a list of perpetrators that spans her entire childhood, and the list of abuses she or her "personalities" recall having endured rivals the worst pornographic B horror films. The fantasies are sustained in supportive groups...either by a therapist or other survivors uncovering their own abuse memories. It is all part of the process of recovered memory therapy, and your insurance dollars are paying for this malpractice.

        • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 12:47:28 AM

          Joan--that is NOT the typical DID survivor. Time for you to do some research now!

        • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 10:54:08 PM

          hey joan "you ignorant sl*t", to coin a snl phrase. please shut up....you are so offensive.....shut up, grow up, or something, damn

  • Posted By: Rich David @ 10/23/2007 12:47:24 AM

    having lived with a wonderful woman for 20 with 22 distinct personalities, I can sincerely appreciate Ms Overhills victory and most importantly courage to face the dragons of the past.

  • Posted By: englishtnscones@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:45:53 AM

    ...feelings but their own, or some whack job pedophile. These are really the people who make life hell on earth. Or, sometimes it's ourselves to others around us when we lose our tempers or are just absorbed in our own pain and don't stop to think about others around us who love us and need our love. Just don't give up on yourself. If you feel like you're not getting satisfaction from one therapist, there's lots of them out there.

  • Posted By: COSMIC4YOU @ 10/23/2007 12:45:48 AM

    GOOD LORD!!!!!!!! I AM AMAZED THAT THIS QUACKERY IS STILL ACTIVELY IN USE, BY A FEW OF THE MOST EDUCATIONALLY RESISTANT FOLLOWERS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL CHARLATANS!!! USING CHARISMA INSTEAD OF SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE, AND REGURGITATING IATROGENIC ALLY PRODUCED PATIENTS STORIES- WITH A SERIOUS LACK OF IMAGINATION, TO THE POINT OF BORING ME TO DEATH. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO CRITICAL THINKING? WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE THIRST FOR KNOWLEDGE?
    WHY DO THESE THERAPIST CLING TO THE PAST, AND WELL DEBUNKED BELIEFS, SUCH AS MPD AND DID; WHEN TOP SCIENTIFIC PSYCHIATRISTS OF THE WORLD, AND MEDICAL ASSOCIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD HAVE WARNED ABOUT THE HARM THE OLD THERAPEUTIC TECHNIQUES USED BY DOCTORS; SUCH AS DR. BAER, DR. BRAUN, DR PUTNAM, DR COLIN ROSS, AND THE LIKE. WHO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY SUED FOR MILLIONS FOR MEDICAL MALPRACTICE AND FRAUD. HOW TERRIBLY TRAGIC THAT THIS PATIENT, KAREN SUFFERED NEEDLESSLY FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS IN FRAUDULENT THERAPY!!!! WHEN PERHAPS, ONLY A YEAR OF PROPER THERAPY COULD HAVE SAVED HER AND HER FAMILY FROM NEEDLESS TRAUMA INFLICTED UPON THEM BY A FANATICAL QUACK.

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