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  • Posted By: joanastrid @ 10/22/2007 10:01:29 PM

    You can see the rage that ensues when the repressed memories of abuse are challenged. It is a destructive therapy cult, and when you challenge the memories, you are challenging a woman's entire concept of herself. That is because the typical woman who gets involved in recovered memory therapy (or in a social group of women involved in memory recovery) re-focuses her entire life around her new identity as an abuse survivor. Once a women becomes involved in this process, it is sort of like being in a cult. She is encouraged to cut off contact with anyone who doubts the memories or questions the helpfulness of the therapy. Often families are horrified as the woman becomes intensely involved in digging for increasingly bizarre and sadistic memories of abuse.


    People who never knew they were abused at all until they joined therapy begin a process of recovering "memories," and this process becomes the center of their lives. The abuse memories typically become increasingly sadistic and bizarre, and the list of perpetrators grows to ridiculous proportions. Survivors often do not share the totality of the memories they are "recovering" except with their therapists or other "survivors," because they realize on some level that others would find the stories unbelievable. They will share that they were abused, but they may not acknowledge the real content of the memories and the fact that they are uncovered (actually created) in a continuous process through journaling, free-writing, dreams, imagination, or hypnosis. The typical MPD/DID patient identies scores of perpetrators, and her memories grow to include ritualistic abuse in satanic covens, forced impregnation by a cult, premature birth of a fetus that is then eaten by her abusers or herself, being forced to kill or abuse other children and animals, being buried alive, being covered with snakes and raped by animals, and being tortured and raped on a daily basis by multiple adults in her life throughout childhood. Some recall being victims of government mind control projects.


    And she never remembered any of it until she joined the therapy or survivors group.

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 12:44:32 AM

      None of the DID sufferers I know ever report memories of satanic ritual abuse. They do, however, have memories of horrific molestation and physical abuse. Most of the DID sufferers I know report one or two perps, usually family members. One woman was abused by several family members, mostly her mother. One man was molested by his grandfather and beaten by his minister father, and told that he was the spawn of Satan. None of this is Satanic ritual abuse. Most persons with DID do not report such things. This is a different phenomenon entirely.

  • Posted By: colorfulkidz @ 10/23/2007 12:44:24 AM

    hi im a mother of 3 and single i havd DID was dx many yrs ago i haved a system within one so there is alot most my life i have dealt with this myself cus the one place i did get help for 3 yr of it an who dx me close down so sence i beenon my own i cant find anyone to help me or listen ior anything it is sad there isnt ppl out there who is willing to help us mpders so we canhave a somewhat normel life ya no have medicaid stinks big time cus noone take it i pray all the time i could get some help with my life so i dont lose anymore my kids like i did my son 6 yr ago

  • Posted By: englishtnscones@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:43:23 AM

    The forgotten, No one forgets, sadly, but there are steps that we can take with a good therapist to help us at least not let it govern every part of our lives at every minute. It may take years, or a whole lifetime, but don't give up on yourself. Sartre said: Hell is other people. Think about it, it's true. There are a lot of bad people in the world that we unfortunately have to deal with; whether it's a boss who thinks about no one else's...

  • Posted By: colorfulkidz @ 10/23/2007 12:42:32 AM

    hi im a mother of 3 and single i havd DID was dx many yrs ago i haved a system within one so there is alot most my life i have dealt with this myself cus the one place i did get help for 3 yr of it an who dx me close down so sence i beenon my own i cant find anyone to help me or listen ior anything it is sad there isnt ppl out there who is willing to help us mpders so we canhave a somewhat normel life ya no have medicaid stinks big time cus noone take it i pray all the time i could get some help with my life so i dont lose anymore my kids like i did my son 6 yr ago

  • Posted By: Stormcloud @ 10/23/2007 12:30:10 AM

    Karen is lucky has had only 17 i hvae what is called a polyfragmented system I have over 100 alter on a bi-semented, multilevel system. We have come to terms with DID BUT TRUTHFULLY IF I was gay I would be more accepted than if I would go publie with my DID. We won't intergrate but are working with cooperation intergration is not the only solution! Stormcloud

    • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:40:12 AM

      i cannot begin to tell you how proud i am of you.

  • Posted By: wapack @ 10/22/2007 11:19:54 PM

    I am sorry to tell all you people who doubt the truth that not only am i a born again person but i am also a psyc major at an upstanding university. So i most likely know more about both religion and psychology than you. So until you stand in both realms don't try and act like you know things about either subject. The truth out weighs all science in this instance. So the treatment needs to be different.

    • Posted By: korie22 @ 10/22/2007 11:45:24 PM

      I'm sure you must realize (but I will bring it to your attention just in case you didn't) how unbelievably arrogant your statement was. Very balsy of you to make such assertions that you are smarter than the rest of us. Do you also believe you are more learned than than the many credentialed healthcare professionals working in this field? That is great that you are born again and attempting to better yourself with an education. However neither our savior nor your professors, I'm sure, would support your callous and arrogant manner of speech. Humility and compassion are virtues that will serve you well as both a Christian and a mental health professional. Think about it..

      • Posted By: bill w @ 10/23/2007 12:40:09 AM

        Please do not go further in the field of psychology or share your alleged religious expertise.

    • Posted By: solace.soul@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:31:57 AM

      playing the devil's advocate here.....how much do YOU really know about being in both realms?

  • Posted By: englishtnscones@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:38:26 AM

    Pattycake-3, I'm so sorry about what happened to you as a child and you need to know that none of it was your fault, none of it. But what's important for you to do now, if you're not already, is to seek professional therapy to help you do move on with your life. Good luck to you and God be with you always.

  • Posted By: TheForgotten @ 10/23/2007 12:38:22 AM

    I do not know how to edit my comment. What I wanted to add to it is that I did not remember the imaginary friend at all until Johnny Depp's movie came out called "Shooter". I remember when I saw the preview on television I was so scared that I could not move and the memory came rushing back. I would not go see it nor rent it until about a year ago. I was so scared. It was nothing like I thought, but am glad that I had suppressed that friend.

  • Posted By: englishtnscones@yahoo.com @ 10/23/2007 12:37:58 AM

    Pattycake-3, I'm so sorry about what happened to you as a child and you need to know that none of it was your fault, none of it. But what's important for you to do now, if you're not already, is to seek professional therapy to help you do move on with your life. Good luck to you and God be with you always.

  • Posted By: joanastrid @ 10/22/2007 10:02:39 PM

    A previous poster accused me of lacking empathy and compassion for the abuse survivors. The fact is that this epidemic of imagined abuse sucks resources from actual abuse victims. Your insurance premiums and tax dollars pay for this garbage therapy and support services for imagined abuse. Real compassion would involve purging these quack therapists from the mental health system and getting the victims of this cultlike movement into REAL therapy that would help them identify the REAL issues in their lives rather than chasing fake memories and becoming sicker and sicker.

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 12:35:50 AM

      And what of those who are accused of creating fake memories but are remembering REAL abuse after many years of repressing it? Many of them commit suicide rather than getting help because of attitudes like this. They know they'll just be accused of faking anyway. Some abuse is so extreme that the sufferer, when they begin to remember, think they must be making it up, and attitudes like this support their idea.
      Occasionally there are false memories. But I think that more often people who have suffered terrible abuse continue to repress the memories and continue to abuse themselves.
      It's hard to face that people could do the kinds of horrible things to their children that cause their personalities to splinter. But it does happen. All the time and in all walks of life.
      And that is a real issue that most people would prefer to sweep under the carpet because it's too ugly to look at.

    • Posted By: Heavennevaeh @ 10/22/2007 10:46:20 PM

      Everyone has their own cross to bear in life. There is something wrong with everyone. What will yours be? It may end up being far worse than ours. Who will help you when your in your time of need? Good luck and I truly hope you never have to feel so alone. Strength, faith and an awesome Husband...................P.S. one of my personalities was a stripper so I paid for my own therapy lol.

    • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 10:42:45 PM

      my therapist sees my on an individual basis, outside of her expensive practice----like for people like you----and only charges me 20 bucks an hour, for her gasoline because SHE HAS compassion, and drives a LONG way just to help me.......
      your taking up too much of the screen....let someone else talk, maybe someone who DOES know what they're talking about!

    • Posted By: Whytbear @ 10/22/2007 10:15:42 PM

      Oh my sweet...ignorance is bliss but don't pretend to speak of things that you undoubtly know nothing about. I would love for you to have just tried to survive my childhood and I know there is a lot more dirty secrets than anyone would ever think.

      • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 10:38:43 PM

        ditto on that whytbear........good answer! =-)

    • Posted By: queenieinc @ 10/22/2007 10:31:57 PM

      How dare you accuse me, or any survivor of imagined abuse! Who the heck do you think you are? It is judgemental people like you that make us sicker!

  • Posted By: ravensdreaming @ 10/23/2007 12:30:50 AM

    I was diagnosed with DID a number of years ago. Before integration, my blood type was (officially) O+, like my biological father.. After integration, my type is now (officially) A+, like my mother, and children. Integration was a long and arduous road, but well worth the effort. Good luck to those who are pursuing it.

  • Posted By: z40coffeemugman @ 10/22/2007 10:32:33 PM

    It is a real condition. It is difficult if not impossible to reinegrate. In our skeptical society, with little help for the emotionally challenged, it will probably continue to be dismissed as "acting out"! Sad.

    • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 12:30:14 AM

      Most of my DID friends don't want to reintegrate. They prefer to learn to get along as a group. I think they should have this choice and not be looked down on for not wanting to reintegrate. Thank you for posting this thought. It is so true.

  • Posted By: allkindsofspcial @ 10/23/2007 12:28:58 AM

    i believe its no longer called multiple personality disorder but disassociative identity disorder (DID) for future reference for the writer...

  • Posted By: allkindsofspcial @ 10/23/2007 12:26:49 AM

    i believe this disorder is no longer called multiple personality disorder but disassocitative identity disorder (DID)

  • Posted By: widow @ 10/23/2007 12:26:18 AM

    I am a nurse in a mental institution and see far too much evidence of how childhood trauma irrevecably damages entire lives. Thanks to Dr. Baer, who preservered in the treatment of his patient, this woman has some semblance of a life.

  • Posted By: jerryshipp @ 10/23/2007 12:26:18 AM

    Comment: I have been a licensed therapist for 23 years and worked with abused women and men for 18 years and believe me, these people are neither lazy nor seeking public recognition. In fact, most are not aware they have it and are horrified to find out. This is because their internal system is so self-protective. But, this is also why therapists have been accused of creating it! They suffer greatly and live their lives in fear and humiliation. The biggest challenge they have is finding someone who will believe them. I know therapists who have stopped working with DID clients because it is too demanding and dangerous for the therapist. I have tremendous respect for those afflicted with this disorder and the creative things the brain can do to protect itself. I also have tremendous respect for those heroes who patiently and persistently walk with them through their healing journey.

  • Posted By: ravensdreaming @ 10/23/2007 12:25:18 AM

    Before I was integrated, my blood type was O+- the same as my biological father. After integration, it is A+, the same as my mother, and all 3 of my children. Weird stuff.

  • Posted By: Frankie2591 @ 10/22/2007 10:59:26 PM

    Didn't read all the discussion articles. I never noticed anyone mentioning physical scars from abuse. I had scars. The abuse was not imagined. When I remembered other abuses--on my own, without hypnosis--I would later often find corroborating evidence that these things did indeed happen. I have chronic unrelenting depression, anxiety/panic disorder, and have dissociative episodes at times (not multiple personality). Through all this, I am a living, functioning person, generally liked by others, though sometimes the symptoms confuse them. I am not a freak. I do consider myself as having mental illness brought on by severe and long-term abuses in childhood. Again, do not so quickly dismiss the suffering of others who just want a life without pain. And remember that some of us DO have physical scars as reminders; others may not. Lack of physical scars does NOT mean the abuse didn't happen. I find this discussion leading away from the book (which I haven't read) to a debate about whether or not memories triggered later in life are real. Please do not doubt it. One other way I know mine to be real is that at first there is excruciating mental and physical pain associated with the memory, but as time passes there is a sense of being freed of an inner burden carried for many years. There is a lifting of spirit, some freedom from pressing emotional weight, and an improved state of mind and body. For any readers who read this with an open mind, I am appreciative.
    Posted by: Frankie

    • Posted By: theladyshadowheart @ 10/22/2007 11:55:37 PM

      hello frankie - I too was abused - and I have been diagnosed with borderline personality/dissasociative disorder. My father started physically and emotionally abusing me around 6 or so, often calling me a *** and slut and telling me he knew I would grow up to be a whore. He is still an alcoholic to this day.

      I do not often think of myself as abused, but in my day to day dealings with others, I do know that my reactions to certain things aren't quite 'normal'. I often feel guilty because my abuse was not nearly as horrendous as so many others and I feel like I have no excuse for being so 'crippled' in my emotions and relationships. Thank you for your posting - I do appreciate you sharing - and making me feel a little less alone. Lily

      • Posted By: Frankie2591 @ 10/23/2007 12:25:07 AM

        Dear theladyshadowheart: You are welcome. I am glad you were comforted a little bit by my posting; I am humbled. I assume since you have a diagnosis that you have had some psychiatric help. Talk therapy and medications can be of enormous benefit. Your abuse is significant. What must it do to a little, vulnerable, gullible child to hear such foreboding comments about WHO you are--in his eyes. These were the only eyes you had to reflect your "being". You must have felt horrible and without a real future at the age of 6 on. I hope you grew to disbelieve his words, and to know that you are a person to be respected, listened to, and given dignity. May you feel dignity. Frankie

  • Posted By: ucanchange5 @ 10/23/2007 12:21:58 AM

    I have been a Mental Health Professional for years, a college graduate, and also have issues in my past. THE BOTTOM LINE COMMON THREAD that needs to be addressed, is the issue of CHILD - innocent children born into the world - SEXUAL ABUSE, in any form ranging from molestation, to RAPE, to acts of sexual perversion - exposed to the grasp of sexual abuse - in a range of minor to gross abuse. NO CHILD should ever be subject to this, under any circumstance, whatsoever. Some commit suicide or live a life submerged in numbing intoxicants. Some cannot move forward. Some try to develop coping mechanisms that allow for seemingly functional life, all along hurting those who love them and whom they love. Bottom line is that SEXUAL DEVIANTS FOREVER steal the ability to TRUST...that can rarely be recaptured or erased, given a trigger that can, or perhaps will be forever branded on a victim of such abuse. It is a horrible, torturing way of life - and in so much as a person's ability to forgive, it is never forgottten, NEVER. It is so sad, how sexual deviants have not only the ability to effect their victim, but also the "trickle-down-effect," of influencing everyone they have the potential to love, or those that love them. Sexual abuse in ANY form is not always a life-long sentence of a dysfunctional member of society, but the scars always manifest some sort of mental illness throughout a lifetime. My hope is that they continue to NAIL these perverts left and right, expose them, sentence them ,and humiloiate them in great ways - prison or personally. And for those who are offenders and repeat the offense, there are many ways you can STOP the cycle of abuse - get some help, please.

  • Posted By: cheesy1 @ 10/23/2007 12:21:20 AM

    I was surprised to see the term multiple personality disorder being used. As a person with bipolar disorder I have become involved with several mental health support groups, and the people I know who have the disorder tend to prefer the term dissociative identity disorder. I thought that was the standard name for the diagnosis now.

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