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  • Posted By: cheesecake @ 10/22/2007 10:21:55 PM

    I have mpd they call it dissociative disorder I loose time and was comforted to know that it happened and others kn0w what it is. I tried telling my therapist that i have different people in me and they want different things i just wanted to get them to agree. I felt like a five headed dragon with each head heading in a different direction. my therapist didn't beleive in it but knew something was wrong I was suicidal and confused.I sometimes describe myself like a snickers bar each peice of me is distinct,different ,and made up of totally different parts. they are in the same package but can exist without the other peices ie,caramel, chocolate, peanuts. its the best way i could describe it.

  • Posted By: Heavennevaeh @ 10/22/2007 10:15:05 PM

    You can't begin tounderstand this unless you either have it or have an open mind and heart and care for someone who is struggling with this. Doubting one who is reaching out for help is the utimate stupidity of the menal health system. As if the pain, embarrassment, torchure and abuse these people have suffered isn't enough. Now the thought of being doubted, wow, who can we ever learn to trust enough to help us through. Let me just say something bold now, skip all the years of misdiagnosises, meds that drug you down, and useless therapy sessions costing you thousands and learn to tust someone close to you. Trust enough through love and if they love you they will love all of you. The only extra space rented in my head crowding me was my doctor. Thank God for my Husband. Don't ever give up! Love and merge,
    Heather, Nevaeh and Abby

  • Posted By: inohuim @ 10/22/2007 10:04:37 PM

    I've managed to integrate down to three very cooperative personalities. I know the hour and purpose the first one was created. I'm turning 40 soon. I've confessed to a very select few, and recently, to my boyfriend. I was ready for him to throw his hands in air and walk away, but he took it calmly and with the same sense of humor that keeps me going through all things. If anything, confessing helped our relationship because now he undrstands what's going on, and he's willing to be there for all of the me's much more than he was willing to hang around for a weird head-game. I'm not ready to explain to my older sons, who's father disappeared when diagnosed with adult onset schizophrenia. I'm certainly not ready to tell anyone who might decide that I'm an unfit parent for my 12 yo daughter still at home. I'm a good parent. I'm a good person. I'm a contributing memebr of society. No matter who I am at the moment.

    • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 10:14:56 PM

      hey, you and i sound A LOT alike........i hope there are only three left more me....but all ARE cooperative, too!
      does your significant other have a single brother?, LOL.best of wished to you, hang in there inohuuare ; -)

    • Posted By: Liscaram3l @ 10/22/2007 10:14:19 PM

      I do not know you but i can tell you're a stong person who overcame this. if you don mind, maybe i can interview you one day. I would love to learn more about your experience =]

  • Posted By: CMRP @ 10/22/2007 10:12:50 PM

    I found your article extremely informative and enlightening. I work with persons who have Mental Disabilities and Mental Health issues. I can hardly wait to read the book. I can't begin to understand the pain this woman has suffered throughout her life. Some people don't believe in God, and some christians don't believe in psychiatry or medical intervention. I can only thank God for people like Dr. Baer.

  • Posted By: Calliva5000 @ 10/22/2007 8:50:07 PM

    Multiple Personality Disorder is a manifestation of demons living inside of someone. There are typically more than one speaking through the person and changing personalities. No amount of psychiatry will help the person. The doctor will only be speaking back and forth with demons. They need to get to a bible believing gospel church that believes in the casting out of demons, and have them cast out of her in the name of Jesus Christ.

    • Posted By: calicat02 @ 10/22/2007 10:12:47 PM

      Calliva5000 you need to get a life outside the front door of a church, they are NOT demons! Your response that Christ is the answer to everything is an insult to everyone that is not Christian. Get off your knees and open your mind. You are sounding quite the religous fanatic.

    • Posted By: cheese_is_good @ 10/22/2007 9:16:56 PM

      Sorry but this will not work since demons do not exist in the sense that u are referring to, i.e. they cannot be "cast" out of a person simply by believing that "jesus" will fix everything. People may have "demonic" tendencies, i.e. evil thoughts/actions, but they are in NO way related to nonsensical beings taking over a person's body. No one on this planet can truly fathom the ability of the human mind therefore MPD is theoretically possible and i feel sorry for closed-minded people such as yourself who believe that church is the only answer.

  • Posted By: Glenda Rae @ 10/22/2007 10:12:12 PM

    As a survivor of MPD I am glad to see this article and can relate to Karen as I had 8 alters but am now totally intergrated. I began seeing a wonderful dr in 1991 who as a christian helped me see that my illness was not demonic in nature but it was a spiritual journey as well as mental back to health. I suffered the loss of my husband thru divorcewho could not deal with my illness after 8 years of caring for me and the many times I tried to end my life. I am thankful to those who helped me and believed my stories of abuse and worked so hard to keep me safe from myself untill my recovery.

  • Posted By: marapier @ 10/22/2007 10:06:32 PM

    this is the way a fractured ego survives... not as uncommon as one would thintk though most cases aren't this dramatic... I would guess there are MORE not less cases. The degrees are varying, just like any other disorder. Some of those who are affected are functional and thought they may be diagnosed as "borderline", they may very well be affected by dissociative identity disorder.

  • Posted By: marapier @ 10/22/2007 10:04:55 PM

    this is the way a fractured ego survives... not as uncommon as one would thintk though most cases aren't this dramatic... I would guess there are MORE not less cases. The degrees are varying, just like any other disorder. Some of those who are affected are functional and thought they may be diagnosed as "borderline", they may very well be affected by dissociative identity disorder.

  • Posted By: Whytbear @ 10/22/2007 10:04:41 PM

    Oh my...someone is always ready to accept that we are possesed by demons but can't accept that those demons lived among us not in us. That is where our alters come from...I suffered for years with "lost time" before my doctor finally admitted that I had alters living my life when I couldn't stand to myself. 2whytbears@gmail.com

  • Posted By: funkysmellin_monkey @ 10/22/2007 9:28:46 PM

    This is something I'm going to share with you guys... well because I like to tell people about my experiences once in awhile. I suppose I hope it'll open up new possibilites when it comes to helping people in need.

    When I was a teenager, (keep in mind, I carry no religious title and was in college for pre-med. I'm very scientific and I love biology), I went through a really bad experience. I started seeing the spirits of dead people and became very ill physically. Basically, they talked through me and I just sort of knew what they were so I never thought I was crazy, just that I would go insane. I didn't know what I was supposed to do at time. If it meant I was supposed to become Christian or something or what the heck was happening. Everything I ever thought and believed about science was thrown down the toilet. I was actually, of all things, being haunted.

    Anyway, long story short. After a couple years, I started seeing spirits less and less. My health improved and that's that. I can't help but wonder though, if those suffering from "multiple personality disorder" are really just communicating with spirits. When it happened to me, they kind of used my mouth to talk and I had no idea what they were going to say. (Which I've read several articles on the disorder, where patients claim "it feels like an entity separate from me. I have no idea what they're going to say or do."

    I could imagine that without looking at any spiritual options, psychologists have no choice but to interpret such actions as a mental disorder. LIke I said, I'm a very scientific person. Even after the experience I dont' claim to be any particular religion. It was just one of those crazy things that happen that leave you wondering what the world really is.

    • Posted By: Todd82TA @ 10/22/2007 9:34:29 PM

      It really makes you think twice when you pick your nose or your taking care of business with your wife... you know, who's REALLY watching? I would hate to think my Grandfather would be watching down as I smacked my wife's ass. But I think he had a bit more class than to stick around.

      I mean this in all seriousness as I tend to keep my mind open somewhat. Did they ever talk TO you? Without using YOU to talk? I can't help but think maybe one of them might be useable while you're taking one of your pre-med exams... (seriously)

      • Posted By: sebastian @ 10/22/2007 9:40:01 PM

        Saying I "was" pre med is the same as saying I wanted to be a doctor, but was too stupid so I dropped out.

        • Posted By: Todd82TA @ 10/22/2007 10:04:02 PM

          Wow... the self esteem from your e-mail is totally overwhelming. You're not too stupid, it might just take you longer. There's no reason to quit... unless you just don't REALLY want to be a doctor.

  • Posted By: It'sme @ 10/22/2007 10:03:59 PM

    There are many reasons to why someone could drop out of pre-med, it does not mean they are stupid. Are you a doctor sebastian??

  • Posted By: vivavita @ 10/22/2007 10:02:28 PM

    I have been lucky to have had a great childhood, grown up to be a strong confident woman. I do belive in MPD, becouse I see what the every day life brings us, and what we have to cope with. I see how I cope with dragedies and how my mind works as an adult, therefore, I can only immagine how a child has to cope with orrific abuses.

  • Posted By: joanastrid @ 10/22/2007 10:02:11 PM

    All these stories are shared with sympathetic therapists or other "survivors" who are recovering their own memories. "Inner children" or alters are created who remember the abuse, and the woman learns to speak in a baby voice and play the role of the terrified nine-year-old who was tied to the alter and raped. If facts get in the way of the memories (for example, a family member points out that the woman had regular pediatric exams throughout childhood, and her pediatrician never saw evidence of the constant rape and torture--moreover, she participated in sports and Girl Scouts without anyone noticing), details are added to explain the contradictions. Surely the family doctor was one of the abusers and helped to falsify records and conceal the abuse. Usually multiple neighbors, teachers, family friends, and professionals become linked to the story as part of the coven or pedophile ring or government project that is being imagined.
    I once sat in a group of survivors, and one of the women was terribly distressed, because she had recently had sex with her boyfriend for the first time and had bled like a virgin. She was afraid the blood might mean that she had made up the stories of satanic cults and ritual abuse. The other women in the group reassured her that the blood probably meant she had unusual scarring internally as a result of all the abuse. Logic gets suspended entirely within these groups. The process very much resembles that seen in people who claim to have been abducted by UFO's.
    Recovered memory therapy is a terrible hoax and malpractice that is still tolerated far too often within the mental health community. Most psychiatrists and psychologists who have received solid training in neurodevelopment and memory and psychology do not believe in the diagnosis, and the major professional organizations have issued cautionary statements about therapy that purports to uncover abuse memories. However, the quacks are still out there, and the myth continues. The sad irony is that women who initially embrace the process of memory recovery....out of hope that it will make them feel better (per the therapist's testimony) or because they enjoy the attention and sympathy it garners, or because they appreciate blaming something external for all of their problems.....typically get worse rather than better. They alienate family and friends because of their increasing self-absorption and focus on abuse, they cut off those who question the path of therapy, and they solidify ties with other women who are involved in the process of becoming victims.

  • Posted By: Daisy @ 10/22/2007 9:59:28 PM

    This is so sad, but it does happen. If people would read a book like this they wouldn't so quick to judge. It just doesn't happen to the poor.Rich people can have it also.A lot of people that have this can not afford treatment.So don't be so quick to judge

  • Posted By: kentucky @ 10/22/2007 9:59:18 PM

    I went to a psychiatrist who did not acknowledge MPD. I firmly believe that people who are depressed radically and/or traumatized consistently can escape in their minds, but I believe they are firmly aware of the escape mechanism. I do not believe in MPD. I'm not saying she was trying to get attention; however, I think that would be a good reason to invent these "personalities" and sustain that belief. Anyone can pretend to be a different person and have that ego emerge with a name. "Granted, they have to be good at it and intelligent enough to sustain it. I think the woman wanted help and peace, and this is a good way to get long term psychiatric care.

  • Posted By: 1light @ 10/22/2007 9:59:09 PM

    Another way of thinking about MPD--but less dramatic--is that there are clusters of traits, adaptatations to trauma,which do not function well in the work-a-day world, in relationships, etc. Unfortunately, early and persistant trauma and its adaptations/maladaptations are as difficult (or more) than other addictions or bad habits. If Dr Baer helped his patient understand her problem and begin w/ a new narrative that helps.

  • Posted By: speicher91 @ 10/22/2007 9:58:07 PM

    I don't care to assign blame as much as I feel the need to share how experiences such as this damage a person's mind and alters their destiny. I am so thankful that it is possible to discuss things like this nowadays. I survived my abuser and he is now in a place where he will never harm another boy or girl again. Why not heal the world by overcoming all the bullies, neglectful parents and aquaintainces? I didn't have hope as a child, I didn't have help. I was just some useless cripple that became a personal sex toy for a perverted, cruel individual. It does take a villiage, it should take a villiage.....unfortunately, most of the people in the villiage today could care less.

  • Posted By: suziqbluz@msn.com @ 10/22/2007 9:14:35 PM

    in response to Irnmnr3's comment, you are pathetic. To Karen, I am so sorry that you had to endure this. I have been to numerous MPD conferences and my heart goes out to people that have had to live with this. Stay strong; you are on the mend.

    • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 9:25:55 PM

      hey suziq: YOUR PATHETIC...i have D.I.D. and i don't appreciate these ignorant comments from people who have NO idea how devastating this condition is....i'm pathetic because....?..........ANSWER ME

      • Posted By: lrnmnr3 @ 10/22/2007 9:57:55 PM

        hey suzi............in case you misunderstood what i wrote, i apologize for calling you pathetic.........DID is a HORRIBLE condition........my son can tell you...i don't appreciate people disrespecting "us".

  • Posted By: Silverknight @ 10/22/2007 9:55:48 PM

    I myself was raped as a young child. I created an alter ego to this day that basically protects me when harm comes my way. It hurts and noone should have to go through this ordeal . I have spent the better part of my life in Law Enforcement protecting the innocent. I???m not ashamed of what I do but at times I feel so lost and hurt. I even find myself crying on surveillance runs. Now after 38 years I have found the courage to go after the person who did this to me. I don???t know where it will end but I know in my heart I???ll be the better person for it. I survived and so did Karen. It hurt???s but we make it. It burns but we go on. All we are looking for is our innocence that was taken. Although this can never happen, at least I can sleep at night knowing people sleep better because I risk my life to protect them. I know sounds crazy an even maniacal at times, but this is who I am and this is the world we live in.

    God Bless you Karen

    Silver Knight

  • Posted By: everlast1 @ 10/22/2007 9:54:30 PM

    How awfu do you have to be to make fun of someone's life. It seems to me some peopel on here have mental issues they themselves are not aware of. Everything that seems unreal is not made up, there are problems out there beyond humans reach.

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