Inside Karen’s Crowded Mind

"Your Zealous beliefs could land you in a lot of hot water!" So far, Choonzer has indicated a prudent interest in exploring the comprehensive literature out there in the field. His primary problem for you is that he has not joined your pity party, flagwaving the concept that all trauma is made up and all responses to it are fake. Your threats, my dear, are annoying, but entirely hollow. And, with each rant, you betray yourself as dangerously irrational.

You have practiced the concept that a good defense is a verbally assualtive offense. sadly, for those who read for content, your posts reveal a true paucity of information, other than that a child of yours died tragically a month into treatment for childhood trauma, and out of a sense, one might suspect, of protection, took her daughter with her. Were you really able to look at the root causes of her suicidality, I suspect you would be a very different woman.

So, rant on, dear claudette, for with each rant, each syntactical verbal montage, you make a case, not for your cause, but for those who oppose you.

Claudette, I confess, the workings of your mind hold a bizarre fascination for me, which is the only reason why I continue to post. To some extent, it is to see how far you will go, and also, less kindly, how far I can provoke you into further irrational spewing of bizarre non-sequiteurs and personal attacks. The more you post, you know, the more you discredit the very causes you presume to promote. As you continue to post, with the same repetitive themes, with the same demands, the same verbal offenses and the same tired defenses, you reveal precisely how very little, how very little you know. I'm delighted you are a poster child for the FMSF and their ilk, as then the whole world can evolve a precise and clear view of exactly how nutty you and they are. So, Claudette, rant on, rant on..... it says so much about your "cause".

P.S. That's IF you really are in practise?

Dear Erlaia and Choonzer:
1) Choonzer, I don't believe you are in the healing profession because a true professional would never chance being online and putting his/her job in jeopardy, by diagnosing, treating, judging and name calling. Proof is in the pudding. Send me by e-mail a copy of your degrees and proof that you actually work in this area and then you'll be more credible. You do realize of course that if you stear anyone in the wrong direction with your outdated, possibly dangerous beliefs, you could be found, and sued.
2)I never once tried to present that I'm a professional in any manner, even though you've accused me of this (both of you) numberous times. I simply give my (opinions) gathered from life's experieces, the incredible amount of research I've done on the subject of mental health quackery and doing a lot of listening to top notch Psychiatrists/Psychologists at meetings held in Canada and the U.S. I do believe at one time it was called wisdom.
3) The biggest assumption Erla, is that you know anything about my family, truly making you a fool. I'm not filled with anything except pity for you and your obvious brainwashing because your story is totally incredible and reminds me of so many I've read about by individuals that have been steared in the wrong direction and that are so sick. You poor thing.
I come back to the Washington report stating that RMT/DID practices did cause an incredible increase in suicidal ideation, etc.etc.etc. The post mortem study on my daughter's life by a world renowned Psychiatrist/Professor Emeritus, Pain Specialist revered the world over did result in a finding of malpractise/negligence which he would testify in court to if I could afford a good civil lawyer. So your delusional tirade of what you think my family's life was like is simply nasty, you just can't fight me on a logical playing field.
4) If I were to phone any of my really intellegent professional friends tonight and tell them about these conversations, they'ed simply say, blow them off, don't even bother with their nonsense because they are beyond hope. For sure, don't waste your breath on someone trying to portrait himself/herself as a mental health expert, because no expert has the time for chat or discussion online. At the end of their day, they want healthy diversions such as family and host of good hobbies.
You two call yourselves - Credible/Measured Voices? - Unbelievable!



When I believe quacks or phonies are in a chat like this, I don't mince my words or opinions and frankly I really don't give a damn what your opinions, or (assumptions) of me are. I'm no phony, I'm totally up front and I'm not on this chat for the benefit of a so called professional wasting his/her time on trying to beat up on somebody who won't agree with his/her crap and will let you know in no uncertain terms. Has the term, that person should be drummed out of that profession - ring a bell? That's even if you're genuine, which I doubt!
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Claudette, I would direct you to my previous post which said that believing in the diagnosis does not mean we can't still improve the treatments. We've already covered this. In fact, you mentioned that was a "good point," and your next few posts were much softer and more rational. Then you suddenly came back at erlaia with renewed viciousness ( I suspect after talking again with some of your FMSF buddies), and your stance has been utterly inflammatory and inflexible since then. Just go back and read, it's there for all to see.

As for your touching concern over my own practice and occupation, thanks. :-) I have all the patients I need. As a licensed psychologist, part of my code of ethics is to educate the public about mental health issues wherever there seems to be a need. So my ongoing commentary with you continues to be motivated by the chance that you might learn something, though the odds appear to be slimming rather quickly. And yes, I'm board-certified, though I suspect you meant to say "bored."

APA, once again, of course mentions DID and that certainly did (pardon the pun) get quacks all excited, however, MOST, truly qualified professionals in the field state that IF it is a valid diagnosis, it is so very rare and that DID as well as all this RMT, Holding Therapy, etc. etc. should be handled with caution due to the negatives outcomes. These negatives have been studied for the last decade. It's truly shocking how much harm this crap has caused.
I do hope that the cream of the crop in Psychiatric circles, all over the world, will someday Poo Poo these diagnosis and treatments as not being beneficial to anyone.
Your concept of validity would have is so simplictic! Just because something appears to be validated, doesn't mean medical treatment can't be improved and that barbaric and harmful treatments can't be done away with.
Geees Man, get with the times. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Sorry IF you are not in fact one of these Multiple groups, there are so many individuals on board, whether in body or just in imagination, guess I might have mistaken you for one of these misfortunates. Then again, You are still and unfortunate, believing in all this arcaic crap!
Are you short of patients right now? Go to crisis centre's, I'm sure you could pick up some business there, that's if, they have money or you could get government money.
You just sound a little board to me!

I see. So in fact, you have no real answer. I don't have DID Claudette, and I've never suggested that I do. That is just another fabrication of your deluded mind. And I'm not quite sure what makes you say I'm "out of control," or even that I'm being unprofessional. Again, you attribute all kinds of negative characteristics to people you don't even know, just based on the fact that we disagree with you on the validity of the DID diagnosis.

I will grant you one point, however. It appears I am indeed "wasting my breath" on you. DID is a valid diagnosis, according to the American Psychiatric Association. You can continue barking at the moon all you want, it won't change that fact.

Don't you work? Haven't you anything better to do than ramble on and on about so much that has been discredited in the mental health community. Your diagnosis of DID in yourself and others is quite enough for most truly qualified Mental Health Professionals (80% nowadays), to see that you're wasting your breath on me and their studies on this matter. Your symptoms are out there for everyone to see and for everyone to wonder how many on this chat are your so called personalities!
Try and control yourself mister, you are really out of control!

Interesting. Would you care to enlighten me about my mental disorder? Please tell me what specific symptoms you've noticed, since it's so obvious to you, and then give me the diagnosis you think I merit. Keep in mind that disagreeing with you does not qualify as a disorder.

Or was that comment simply more of your thoughtless and baseless rambling?

Hey Choonzer: Did I offend all of your how many alters as well? For someone who is suppose to be in the healing profession, you are not presenting yourself in a very professional manner. I do have a very short fuse when it comes to ridulous claims that belong in a sci-fi reading section.
Sorry to offend, but, sometimes it takes a little firmness to wake some brainwashed individuals out of their going nowhere scenerio.
Also, sorry if I might have alerted the vulnerable public to these shams and maybe cut into your lucrative business.
Choonzer, you should get a real job, and leave psychiatry to the real experts that don't have an obvious mental disorder.

I just gave myself whiplash from my eyes rolling so hard. Claudette, just when you were showing a glimmer of rational thought and open-mindedness, your latests posts have been the most spiteful, ignorant rubbish we've seen yet from you. It's a true shame, the way you attack and belittle other folks, though as erlaia said, at least no one with half a brain will give any credence to your rants. How can anyone take you seriously when you crack jokes about another person's trauma and mental illness? You remind me of grade-school bullies who laughingly hurl out names like "four-eyes" and "fatso." Your jokes about people with DID are in such poor taste, and reflect so poorly on you, there's clearly no point in engaging you further. I might as well argue with my 8-year-old son about his absolute conviction that red is the very best color.

My attention to you Erlaia wasn't just recent, believe me! I just can't believe how strangled you poor individuals are with you beliefs and your so called therapists.
God Bless, hope some day you come to your senses, drop all this never ending woe is me scenerio, forget all your negatives, doubt most of what they planted in your head and above all become happy!

So glad I got your attention, Claudette. have a nice day.

My niecess and nephews were too terrified to come forward as long as their father was alive. You have the chronology of my life fairly screwed up, and could figiure it out if you knew how to read the various posts I've posted on this site. I'm not going to bother leading you through it under the assumption that you actually do know how to read.

Your abusive tone and arrogant manner, accompanied by a total lack of real interest in understanding this kind of issue makes it impossible for me to sustain an effective dialgue with you pertaining the reality of this. Frankly, I can assume that your daughter committed suicide, not out of brainwashing from inept therapy, but because she grew tired of discussions with you filled with hostility, didactic nature and genral obtuse pomposity. it was her only way of escaping a mother filled with absolutely no capacity to listen.

So, I take it your whole family sexually abused you and nobody, absolutely nobody ever caught on that there was abuse going on? Why did you wait until it was too late to have everyone charged with sexual assault. Don't tell me you didn't have a clue about your family life until you were in your what - 50's or 60's? I didn't forget one incident of my unusual upbringing from the age of 5 or 6 onward. The good and the bad! I didn't forget one part of the worst days of my life from the time my daughter started going insane to this day. In fact all the worst memories are the ones that true survivors have a hard time putting aside and getting on with the business of living.
You tell me you knew your brother was abusing his children and his GRANDCHILDREN? and did nothing for those two innocent generations?
This is too damn weird for me!
I too survived the 50's with an abusive father, however, you can be sure that by the late 60's and 70's all of brother's and sisters protected one another, even to the point of pinning the old man against a wall and warning that he's get punched out if he ever abused the younger ones the way he abused us.
Then after that era, my Mom found her courage and made his life miserable until she died.
She told me that she was pissed off because she couldn't go to his funeral! Wow, did that woman ever have a sense of humor! Helped all of us get through.