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  • Posted By: sathwikn @ 10/27/2007 5:13:08 PM

    Hey man don't blame other countries like India for something that they didn;t do. Try to be positive. I could say that India has advanced a lot more than Pakistan and that it sucks, but i won't. But m-15 is somewhat biased, but they can still do through investigations. Pakistan has harbored terrorists for several years before they started having their own problems, they also send them to wreck havoc in other countries too. I can attribute terrorists to the 9/11 , 2007 mumbai train blasts, spain bombings, and england bombs. try to improve on the faults that the government has created instead of trying to deny them, but every government has it's own faults so no one can expect a perfect government.

  • Posted By: sathwikn @ 10/27/2007 5:07:45 PM

    hey man, don't throw your anger at India for something that it didn't even do? We have advanced more than you guys, but i don't see any people saying that Pakistan is still poor. At least try to positive. Why blame others(countries) because you are angry. You are true though, the m-15 is controlled by primarily white people and this could be a little bit of bias on their part.(I'm not racist by the way). Yet it still performed a nearly thorough examination of the situation there

  • Posted By: Bawany @ 10/27/2007 4:46:24 PM

    There are three words to comment, you dont need to write a whole article against this propaganda. Just three words "West against Islam". It seems that the Pentagon is pointing figures on Pakistan after Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran. It is how one looks at the world, if Pakistan is the most dangerous country in the world than Americans are the most brutal people in the world, In recent times US directly or indirectly killed more people than any nation in this world. The total numbers are more than any natural calamity, famine or any other disaster. Whoever wrote this article please also let everyone know whether America is the most brutal nation is the world or not?

  • Posted By: cducdu @ 10/27/2007 4:04:43 PM

    going with the assumption that everything in the article is true, one gets the feel that taliban leaders and taliban fighters live and mingle very comfortably with Pakistani people(majority of whom are moderates and peace loving) and that is only a reaction to the old american habit of putting its ugly long nose in other countries' affairs. Americans dont let Pakistanis have their own way in their own land by enforcing its own agenda thru its puppets like zia-ul-haq, musharraf and benazir bhutto so this is the way pakistanis vent their anger against the nosy americans and have their way. americans have taken away the ballots from pakitani people and forced them to display their will by way of force, violence and war.if taliban roam pakistani cities freely today, its because people love them ...and that democracy.

  • Posted By: edwardian10 @ 10/27/2007 11:56:11 AM

    What an ideal picture of India painted here by Karaswart. India is the country where Babri mosque, Golden Temple and brutal incidents of raping nuns and burning them alive took place.
    However, the discussion here is about Pakistan and the fact is that the more Mr Musharraf is trying to impose his so-called ENLIGHTENED MODERATION on people , the more they slide towards religion. Pakistan was a country where people were always moderate in religious ideologies and lived side by side. The attempt to bring people from the moderate middle class to liberalism actually takes more people into living their lives more strictly according to their religion.
    Aggression is never the answer to political problems and they are always solved through dialogue and discussion. I can't understand why Mr Musharraf can't understand that but then why do i foget that he is an army General.

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/27/2007 3:43:45 PM

      Actually, it is Musharref's reluctance to crack down on Al-Qaeda and the Taliban that has allowed them to move back into the cities of Pakistan, allowing them to spew their message of death to the west with no fear of reprisals from anyone.

      Had Mushareff seen the Taliban and Al-Qaeda for what they truly are, worthless scum, and seen to it they had no place to seek refuge, he would not be in the situation he is now.

  • Posted By: HaiderRazi @ 10/27/2007 3:29:36 PM

    I find this article extremely distasteful, biased and weak founded. Written below are some of my reasons for the latter statement which I would request to be forwarded to the authors and published .
    The finger pointing of who carried out Pakistan???s deadliest terrorist bombing is something that can be best left for investigators to find out and connecting the act to members of the government would be everyone???s first goal. However, the fact is that 134 bystanders have been taken away from this world to make a political statement. My heartfelt condolences to all those affected.
    Credit must be given to the authors for suggesting that Pakistan???s Intelligence agencies are similar to MI-5, often labeled as a rogue agency. I would also like to mention, that such agencies exist in any state that cares about the welfare of its people, such as America???s NSA and India???s RAW.
    Surprisingly, the key justification given by the author???s for the article???s bold headline seems to be written in brackets ???(Unlike in Iraq or Afghanistan, there also aren't thousands of American troops hunting down would-be terrorists.). A deduction one can easily make from this statement is simply that only American troops are capable of ???hunting down would-be terrorists???. Trying hard to remember if the high-tech, well-informed American troops have ever succeeded in capturing any terrorists, I found myself incapable of remembering any such moments. On the other hand, the article has been able to identify several times the Pakistani troops have succeeded in such a task, an army aware of the local surroundings and demographic. Conversely, one can easily find many occasions in which American troops have falsely killed innocent bystanders, in the dire chance they were terrorists, Blackwater is still fresh in all our memories, so is Abu-Ghraib.
    The above reasoning is still not my main reason for writing today, for such things are often regurgitated by western media and one get accustomed to it after some time. My main concern in the article was the blatant disrespect given to ???the country's whisky-swilling founder, Mohammed Ali Jinnah???. How dare you? Jinnah is the most respected man of the country, and the architect of the world???s largest mass migration. Often referred to as Quaid-e-Azam (Great Leader). Claiming he simply used Islam, is also something that is grossly incorrect, to quote one of his famous speeches "You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed --that has nothing to do with the business of the State."???. I highly advise the author???s to be courteous and respectful of such things in the future, or in any case use the same conduct for every world leader, in which case the Current US president would aptly be called a Junkie, or a drugged-up cowboy

  • Posted By: mir waahug baloch @ 10/27/2007 2:52:59 PM

    I read your above mentioned article my dear Mr Ron Moreau and Michael Hirsh its very much true you pinpointed the real face of so called Islamic Republic Of Pakistan, My dear how a military ruler and our ISI and MI both ( BLACK SNAKES ) how they want to see such a mass mobilization in this country so they harrased these poor class janta and its a warning for the poor that they should not come again on street with any political gathering and they succeed with their mission, Now come to terrorism and jahadis pakistan is the nursery and breading place of them but no one can stop this you know why because pakistan ISI and MI are the most powerful Agencies of this whole world its true because they are mobilized most parts of the world specially in india,great britain, occupied kashmir, bosnia, chechenia,russia,kenya,nigeria,indonesia,malaysia,slovkia,austria,germany,france,sudan,somalia,thailand,iran,iraq,afghanistan,uae,usa,cuba,brazil and in many more countries of this peaceful world,
    Its our request that United Nation and Nato forces should forget Iraq,iran and Afghanistan the actual threat for the whole world is Pakistan, if all peace loving nation want to finish up with terrorism and jahadism then its the write place we should look for and we also want United States and the west to stop providing weapons to pakistan for terrorism purpose because same weapons were used on peace loving people of Balochistan who are nothing to do with religion. Pakistan has a rogue army who have heroin factories of there own with Talabans of Afghanistan and in return army provides them weapons to fight Nato forces there, who ever write against your article are not among us they are army personnels or government officials who were given this task to write because mostly pakistan janta is uneducated they dont know anything about newsweek and it was propogated in pakistan media that we should react against this article strongly we can but people like us will not because we know what is pakistan actual picture is..
    This is the right time for the peace loving world to act now or it will be too late (Divide Pakistan to Eliminate Terrorism.

  • Posted By: jamshed @ 10/27/2007 2:18:20 PM

    Pakistan and india are reality and history can not reversed. Fight and Hate with each other is not in favour of any side. It will extend only hawkish agenda. Both countries have huge man power and if this man power's energy is diverted to economic activity from accusing and fighting each other will ultimately turn sub continent to prosperous regions as we used to be in past.

  • Posted By: rabiashahid @ 10/27/2007 2:17:01 PM

    Omar Baloch @ 10/27/2007 2:34:24 AM
    Comment: It???s very true that Pakistan is the most dangerous place in the world. If you are lucky and didn???t get kidnapped by the ISI from the airport on arrival, then they will pick you up in the town. And if you are very lucky to escape from the agencies jail and torture cell, you can???t run away from a blast which is planned by the ISI or their religious extremist supporters.

    Pakistan is a place for the military to kidnap, torture, kill and blast bombs or bombard from the fighter jets. It???s absolutely no place to leave.

    In fact, if the world is looking for peace, they should eliminate this military state of Pakistan and give all the four nations their independent states. There is no other way to stop Pakistani ISI from training more and more militants to spread them all around the world


    DEAR BALOCH, U SEEM TO BE VERY LUCKY TO WRITE THIS ***, WHERE ARE U WRITING ALL THIS FROM, A TORTURE CHAMBER, PRETTY NEAT THEY HAVE GIVEN YOU AN INTERNET CONENCTION THERE. WHATS SAD ABOUT UNGREATFUL PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS THAT YOU ARE PARASITES, YOU LIVE AND BREED IN A COUNTRY AND PLAN AGAISNT IT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. IF ALL THAT HAPPENS TO A PARASITE LIKE YOU I WOULD BE GALD BEACUSE PARASITES LIKE YOU DESERVE THAT END.
    AND WHEN YOU TALK OF SEPARATION SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, WE PAKISTANIS ARE HAPPY HERE LIVING TOGETHER MINUS YOU PARASITES. SO PLZZ OPEN YOUR MOUTH ONLY FOR YOURSELF OR BEST DONT OPEN IT AT ALL.. DIDNT YOUR MOMMY TELL YOU TO THANK GOD FOR THE FOOD THAT YOU EAT, AND SECOND TO THAT IS LOVE THE COUNTRY THAT U LIVE IN NOT SUCK ITS BLOOD LIKE A BLOODY PARASITE, SOME LEECHES THIS COUNTRY IS BREEDIN, AND THE FUNNY THING IS NO ONE OTHER THAN THESE BALOCHS AND KHANS ARE TALKIN ABT SEPARATION. THE AFGHANS FLOODIN OUR MARKETS WITH SMUGGLED GOODS AND THEN TALK *** ABT THE SAME PLACE THAT FEEDS AND CLOTHES THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES, HOW UNGREATFUL YOU ARE. GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FORM MR.UNINVITED

  • Posted By: jamshed @ 10/27/2007 2:11:55 PM

    Pakistan has been created to have life with security of life and property. Unfortunately this objective has not achieved even after 60 years. Hate of neighbours is some thing which is no more relevant. Fight between India and pakistan will not in favour of anyside. It will only extend hawkish agenda . India and Pakistan are 2 big countries and have huge manpower and if the engergies of such large number of people is diverted from letting each other down to economoc activity . It may turn region of sub continent rich and strong as it used to be once. Religious fanaticism and hatred are root of all troubles and all of us together condemn such elements

  • Posted By: rabiashahid @ 10/27/2007 2:10:55 PM

    Omar Baloch @ 10/27/2007 2:34:24 AM
    Comment: It???s very true that Pakistan is the most dangerous place in the world. If you are lucky and didn???t get kidnapped by the ISI from the airport on arrival, then they will pick you up in the town. And if you are very lucky to escape from the agencies jail and torture cell, you can???t run away from a blast which is planned by the ISI or their religious extremist supporters.

    Pakistan is a place for the military to kidnap, torture, kill and blast bombs or bombard from the fighter jets. It???s absolutely no place to leave.

    In fact, if the world is looking for peace, they should eliminate this military state of Pakistan and give all the four nations their independent states. There is no other way to stop Pakistani ISI from training more and more militants to spread them all around the world


    DEAR BALOCH, U SEEM TO BE VERY LUCKY TO WRITE THIS ***, WHERE ARE U WRITING ALL THIS FROM, A TORTURE CHAMBER, PRETTY NEAT THEY HAVE GIVEN YOU AN INTERNET CONENCTION THERE. WHATS SAD ABOUT UNGREATFUL PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS THAT YOU ARE PARASITES, YOU LIVE AND BREED IN A COUNTRY AND PLAN AGAISNT IT. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. IF ALL THAT HAPPENS TO A PARASITE LIKE YOU I WOULD BE GALD BEACUSE PARASITES LIKE YOU DESERVE THAT END.
    AND WHEN YOU TALK OF SEPARATION SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, WE PAKISTANIS ARE HAPPY HERE LIVING TOGETHER MINUS YOU PARASITES. SO PLZZ OPEN YOUR MOUTH ONLY FOR YOURSELF OR BEST DONT OPEN IT AT ALL.. DIDNT YOUR MOMMY TELL YOU TO THANK GOD FOR THE FOOD THAT YOU EAT, AND SECOND TO THAT IS LOVE THE COUNTRY THAT U LIVE IN NOT SUCK ITS BLOOD LIKE A BLOODY PARASITE, SOME LEECHES THIS COUNTRY IS BREEDIN, AND THE FUNNY THING IS NO ONE OTHER THAN THESE BALOCHS AND KHANS ARE TALKIN ABT SEPARATION. THE AFGHANS FLOODIN OUR MARKETS WITH SMUGGLED GOODS AND THEN TALK *** ABT THE SAME PLACE THAT FEEDS AND CLOTHES THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES, HOW UNGREATFUL YOU ARE. GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FORM MR.UNINVITED

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 10/27/2007 2:08:35 PM

    Jamshed: Well once you decide to be an American rent boy, you have to work for your pay..Zia , poor chap, paid...But he was a devil in disguise. At least the 'whisky swilling' generals are more reasonable.

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 10/27/2007 2:06:18 PM

    Well said Raju garu.

  • Posted By: jamshed @ 10/27/2007 2:02:45 PM

    History of terrorism in pakistan dates back to Afghan jihad. Zia the then Military leader of pakistan who fought proxy war of USA in afghanistan is the person who gave free hand to militants and fanatics to divide pakistan in the name of Islam. It is the service of Islam of Zia government that now wherever any Act of terrorism happens it is attributed to pakistan. patronage of fanaticism has led country anarchy and destruction . Common men throughout the country are in miserable state and have been made hostage by Feduals, religious fanatics, politician turned gangsters.

  • Posted By: mir waahug baloch @ 10/27/2007 1:46:57 PM

    I read your article Mr Ron Moreau and Mr Michael Hirsh both of your have pinpointed the right thing and in the right time actually our ISI ( The Black Snake ) and MI dont want to see such a mass mobilization if they allow then how can they show the result of there own choice its the History of Pakistan from the ayub era and i will like to write you the one who writes against your this article are not among us they are army personnels or government officals they want to show the world and you a different face of pakistan and this was also told in the media that we all pakistanis should condom this but in pakistan there are only handful of people are educated

  • Posted By: shahid @ 10/27/2007 1:32:21 PM

    India has 17 consulates in Afghanistan, most located close to the Pak border.No wonder the acts of terrorism in Pak have suddenly increased to an extent that Newsweek decides to call it the most dangerous place on earth.See what propaganda can do?

    • Posted By: karaswart @ 10/27/2007 1:45:34 PM

      It is called 'strategic depth' old chap!! We have to help our Afghan brothers overcome years of Pakistani inspired meddling in their affairs..

  • Posted By: shahid @ 10/27/2007 1:06:49 PM

    India is actively engaged in destabilizing Pakistan. How else do u justify 17 Indian consulates in Afganistan, most close to the Pak border.

  • Posted By: rabiashahid @ 10/26/2007 3:11:40 PM

    u know this all is getting ugly, and is pointless i hereonwards refuse to comment on any indian.
    this is so off the hook...

    • Posted By: karaswart @ 10/27/2007 1:02:22 PM

      I weep...Come back...

  • Posted By: umair @ 10/27/2007 11:55:47 AM

    karaswart: In simple words indians are not patriots

    • Posted By: karaswart @ 10/27/2007 12:59:03 PM

      Umair: Old chap- India is more than a geography. The US is an idea, and we will own the idea in the future, after the anglo saxons. Was it George Bernard Shaw who said: 'Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel?'

  • Posted By: SHAHMEER @ 10/27/2007 11:58:26 AM

    DEAR WRITE,TERRORISM IS THE REACTION AGAINST UNJUSTICE,AND AMERICA IS THE DIRECTOR AND PRODUCER OF ALL THAT DRAMA OF WAR AGAINST ,PLZ RECOGNIZE THE ROOT CAUSE OF THAT BLOODY PLAY, UNJUSTICE IS ALWAYS THREAT FOR THE JUSTISE,

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