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  • Posted By: Narine @ 12/11/2007 3:21:10 PM

    This is a well-researched and written piece. All the factors that make Pakistan the most dangerous country in the world are accounted for. Its descent into the abyss started a long time ago, I might add, and the longer and the more insistent the denial, the weaker its grip on restoration. Pakistan will be ruled by the Taleban, and call them whatever you may, the Taleban have so far deftly handled their influence upon the Pakistani security and intelligence apparatus. But their greatest ally is the religious establishment and the madrassas, for without their committed and persistent championing of their cause and purpose in Islam and the Ummah, it would peter out. Instead it is postured to grow, take control of Pakistani society, control its weapons, all I might add, as it has done its foreign and domestic policies. To all who know, the talebanization of Pakistan is inexorable, certain, and extremely dangerous. I would have wished the author to briefly explore the reasons why democracy is anathema in Pakistani society, what are the national goals of Pakistan, if these are anywhere enunciated, and how terror is the most natural outcome. His prognosis, not prophetic, but deductive would have helped those who are proud to be Pakistanis to ask, of which Pakistan am I proud, and to seriously recraft the foundation principles for a new county, the "True" Pakistan.

  • Posted By: sap_myzone@hotmail.com @ 12/11/2007 9:33:15 AM

    so next time think bfor u talk

    PROUD TO B A PAKISTANI

  • Posted By: sap_myzone@hotmail.com @ 12/11/2007 8:53:19 AM

    no this is all crap.pakitan is not dangerous at all.what u have this picture in mind about pakistan is wrong.girls dont get married to the quran.our president is not into these things and we are sure of that.no innocvent childern r slaughtered infact we respect all women either it be the women of our country or someother country.Pakistan is NOT the most dangerous country.neither is iraq why does it happen that all the muslim countries are blamed for every wrong thing

  • Posted By: sap_myzone@hotmail.com @ 12/11/2007 8:51:29 AM

    no this is all crap.pakitan is not dangerous at all.what u have this picture in mind about pakistan is wrong.girls dont get married to the quran.our president is not into these things and we are sure of that.no innocvent childern r slaughtered infact we respect all women either it be the women of our country or someother country.Pakistan is NOT the most dangerous country.neither is iraq why does it happen that all the muslim countries are blamed for every wrong thing

  • Posted By: maqsoodalam @ 12/09/2007 8:23:31 AM

    Pakistan is indeed the most dangerous nation on the face of this earth. In the name of religion where girls are married to the quran, where the presiden of the country justfies the rape of women(Mukthar mai), where innocent women and children are slaughtered in the most inhumane manner. Where sexual molestation is rampant.

    They just cannot come into being in the name of ISLAM. It will be a shame to potray pakistan to be a fort of ISLAM. Instead it is the nation of chaos.

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 12/04/2007 4:45:36 PM

    Have you seen how every 'religious' country gets screwed? Irrespective of the religion. God hates unnecessary middlemen and that is the punishment for being religious. See how America is coming down after becoming overtly religious. Its founding fathers very sceptical about religion and it prospered, Now its President is religious and it is going down. Countries formed on the basis of religion have no hope at all. That is God's wish I think.

  • Posted By: hamid649 @ 12/01/2007 10:45:22 AM

    ARE YOU IN YOUR SENSES?
    Islamic Republic of Pakistan is an ideological state and this aspect is quite prominent. This is the only Muslim country, which came into being in the name of Islam and renamed by the Western Media as the Fort of Islam after the acquisition of Nuclear power in 1998. In fact the Non Muslim of the world cannot just ignore the existence of Pakistan with a dynamic Nuclear Status. Perhaps the most important issue that has emerged in recent times is the distortion of the real and true message of Islam. Hatred for Islam has been a recurrent theme of history. The Western societies believe in the twisted interpretations of Islam and the prevalent environment appears to be more conducive for the advancement of their interest, which also requires maligning Islam. The word ???Jihad??? for instance, is completely misunderstood by the Non Muslims. Its implication is vast and is not confined to war, which, in any event, can only be waged against an aggressor. The Muslims of Pakistan believe in the same meaning of ???Jihad??? and condemn the incidents of suicide bombings occurring in the country. They believe that a true Muslim cannot go for the act of suicide bomb blast but they are detracted and misused by some miscreants, working for interest of some other nations. The Government of Pakistan has clear policy in fighting with these terrorists and majority of the public supports it. Extremism in the religions is everywhere in the world. Brahmans in Hindu religion, and Jews are the suitable examples. As India and Israel both are committed in violation of basic human rights in Occupied Kashmir and Palestine respectively. But the so-called civilized nations pay no heat to restrict them in their deeds. It is only Pakistan, which consistently reminded the international community and United Nations to pay role in finding equitable solution for a lasting peace in Palestine and Kashmir.
    After the proclamations of United States for Global War on Terror, Pakistan decided to support US and it had to conduct military operations, which are still in progress, in her border region adjoining Afghanistan. Pakistan???s effort was appreciated by international community and declared it as ???front line state??? at that time. This is the only country, which scarified its own sovereignty for establishing peace and harmony in the world. Having done all these, what else this world demands from Pakistan? Instead of living in fool???s paradise and blaming Pakistan for strengthening terrorism, these civilized nations of the world must consider the efforts made by Pakistan and help her in establishing harmony in the country.


    Hamid (Pakistan)

  • Posted By: hamid649 @ 12/01/2007 10:34:38 AM

    ARE YOU IN YOUR SENSES?
    Islamic Republic of Pakistan is an ideological state and this aspect is quite prominent. This is the only Muslim country, which came into being in the name of Islam and renamed by the Western Media as the Fort of Islam after the acquisition of Nuclear power in 1998. In fact the Non Muslim of the world cannot just ignore the existence of Pakistan with a dynamic Nuclear Status. Perhaps the most important issue that has emerged in recent times is the distortion of the real and true message of Islam. Hatred for Islam has been a recurrent theme of history. The Western societies believe in the twisted interpretations of Islam and the prevalent environment appears to be more conducive for the advancement of their interest, which also requires maligning Islam. The word ???Jihad??? for instance, is completely misunderstood by the Non Muslims. Its implication is vast and is not confined to war, which, in any event, can only be waged against an aggressor. The Muslims of Pakistan believe in the same meaning of ???Jihad??? and condemn the incidents of suicide bombings occurring in the country. They believe that a true Muslim cannot go for the act of suicide bomb blast but they are detracted and misused by some miscreants, working for interest of some other nations. The Government of Pakistan has clear policy in fighting with these terrorists and majority of the public supports it. Extremism in the religions is everywhere in the world. Brahmans in Hindu religion, and Jews are the suitable examples. As India and Israel both are committed in violation of basic human rights in Occupied Kashmir and Palestine respectively. But the so-called civilized nations pay no heat to restrict them in their deeds. It is only Pakistan, which consistently reminded the international community and United Nations to pay role in finding equitable solution for a lasting peace in Palestine and Kashmir.
    After the proclamations of United States for Global War on Terror, Pakistan decided to support US and it had to conduct military operations, which are still in progress, in her border region adjoining Afghanistan. Pakistan???s effort was appreciated by international community and declared it as ???front line state??? at that time. This is the only country, which scarified its own sovereignty for establishing peace and harmony in the world. Having done all these, what else this world demands from Pakistan? Instead of living in fool???s paradise and blaming Pakistan for strengthening terrorism, these civilized nations of the world must consider the efforts made by Pakistan and help her in establishing harmony in the country.


    Hamid

  • Posted By: dividepakistan @ 11/17/2007 1:24:11 PM

    DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM
    Time has finally come for Pakistan to disintegrate.

    The concept given by me in my book ???DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM??? has been proven correct by the events in recent days in Pakistan. It is now established that Pakistan is not a genuine country with any sound political basis but simply an assembly of certain nations which were put together by the British rulers to create a colony of its own kind. Pakistan???s existence has always been a burden and now it is finally proved that Pakistan???s existence will cause great danger to the entire humanity.

    A country where there is no rule of law, no justice, no legal system in place, no free judge, how can we expect such a country to remain in existence. One dictator called General Musharraf whom I had rightly described as TERRORIST-IN-UNIFORM in my book, has finally shown his true colours to the people of Pakistan and the entire world.

    In such a situation when Pakistan has become a free playground of dictators who are none other than friends and founders of terrorist organizations like Taliban and alike, is it affordable on the part of the international community to allow existence of Pakistan. Indeed, it would be very disastrous to permit General Musharraf to remain in power and consequently become yet another Fidel Castro or Robert Mugabe. In view of the geographical situation of Pakistan, General Musharraf will be more dangerous than Castro or Mugabe.

    The only solution to this problem is now division of Pakistan into 5 or 6 more states in order to crush the possibility of any significant terrorist attacks in USA, Europe or India. The world would never want another 9-11 and therefore it is very vital on the part of the Western nations to realize the need of Pakistan???s disintegration for combating international terrorism.

    In my book ???DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM???, I had cautioned the whole world about the upcoming dangers. The first sign has finally appeared. General Musharraf has stabbed the judiciary to pave way for his ONE-MAN-RULE which will certainly support the terrorists who have been active in the region under the safe umbrella of General Musharraf and Pak-army sponsored Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Time has now come to understand that restoration of any democracy in Pakistan is not the real issue but curing the 60 years old disease is more important whereby Pakistan be immediately disintegrated under the supervision of the United Nations.

    Syed Jamaluddin
    Tel +33632821738
    Fax +1 775 269 9669
    dividepakistan@gmail.com
    www.dividepakistan.blogspot.com

    • Posted By: punjabimunda @ 11/25/2007 5:14:09 PM

      this guy is day dreaming.... let this guy live in fool's paradize and dream the way he wants... poor guy... i pitty on ppl like him... he has given his phone number too... can't even laugh on this foolish act... go sleep now...

  • Posted By: karaswart @ 11/24/2007 3:45:46 AM

    But Pakistan already disintegrated in 1971. What this chap is saying is further such divisions will happen. Religion is irrelevant; it is a stupid unGodly notion anyway. The Punjabis and Sindhis should be reintegrated back in to India and NWFP can go to Afghanistan. Sounds pretty logical. How can you have a 'religious homeland' ? Stupid concept.

  • Posted By: Commentator @ 11/19/2007 10:56:08 AM

    You are not a Muslim. You must be a fanatic hindu from either one of the bahmin fanatic terrorist organizations RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal or Shev Sena. We Pakistanis feel pretty good when we hear such stupid remarks filled with hopelessness, hatred, utter dissappointment and resentment from the fanatic Hindus who still believe that Pakistan can be disintegrated. It shows their hypocritical mindset and their real evil face. It unveils to the world that when they talk about friendship with Pakistan, they dont mean it. They have never accepted the existance of Pakistan and are in no mood to do so in future. They just cant stand the idea that Pakistan have defeated them in two of the three wars and now they cant even dare to fight with Pakistan as we have nuclear weapons to defend us. Thats why they are resorting to this mindless ranting. All i can say is "Keep Dreaming"

  • Posted By: dividepakistan @ 11/17/2007 1:21:48 PM

    DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM
    Time has finally come for Pakistan to disintegrate.

    The concept given by me in my book ???DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM??? has been proven correct by the events in recent days in Pakistan. It is now established that Pakistan is not a genuine country with any sound political basis but simply an assembly of certain nations which were put together by the British rulers to create a colony of its own kind. Pakistan???s existence has always been a burden and now it is finally proved that Pakistan???s existence will cause great danger to the entire humanity.

    A country where there is no rule of law, no justice, no legal system in place, no free judge, how can we expect such a country to remain in existence. One dictator called General Musharraf whom I had rightly described as TERRORIST-IN-UNIFORM in my book, has finally shown his true colours to the people of Pakistan and the entire world.

    In such a situation when Pakistan has become a free playground of dictators who are none other than friends and founders of terrorist organizations like Taliban and alike, is it affordable on the part of the international community to allow existence of Pakistan. Indeed, it would be very disastrous to permit General Musharraf to remain in power and consequently become yet another Fidel Castro or Robert Mugabe. In view of the geographical situation of Pakistan, General Musharraf will be more dangerous than Castro or Mugabe.

    The only solution to this problem is now division of Pakistan into 5 or 6 more states in order to crush the possibility of any significant terrorist attacks in USA, Europe or India. The world would never want another 9-11 and therefore it is very vital on the part of the Western nations to realize the need of Pakistan???s disintegration for combating international terrorism.

    In my book ???DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM???, I had cautioned the whole world about the upcoming dangers. The first sign has finally appeared. General Musharraf has stabbed the judiciary to pave way for his ONE-MAN-RULE which will certainly support the terrorists who have been active in the region under the safe umbrella of General Musharraf and Pak-army sponsored Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Time has now come to understand that restoration of any democracy in Pakistan is not the real issue but curing the 60 years old disease is more important whereby Pakistan be immediately disintegrated under the supervision of the United Nations.

    Syed Jamaluddin
    Tel +33632821738
    Fax +1 775 269 9669
    dividepakistan@gmail.com
    www.dividepakistan.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: dividepakistan @ 11/17/2007 1:16:20 PM

    DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM
    Time has finally come for Pakistan to disintegrate.

    The concept given by me in my book ???DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM??? has been proven correct by the events in recent days in Pakistan. It is now established that Pakistan is not a genuine country with any sound political basis but simply an assembly of certain nations which were put together by the British rulers to create a colony of its own kind. Pakistan???s existence has always been a burden and now it is finally proved that Pakistan???s existence will cause great danger to the entire humanity.

    A country where there is no rule of law, no justice, no legal system in place, no free judge, how can we expect such a country to remain in existence. One dictator called General Musharraf whom I had rightly described as TERRORIST-IN-UNIFORM in my book, has finally shown his true colours to the people of Pakistan and the entire world.

    In such a situation when Pakistan has become a free playground of dictators who are none other than friends and founders of terrorist organizations like Taliban and alike, is it affordable on the part of the international community to allow existence of Pakistan. Indeed, it would be very disastrous to permit General Musharraf to remain in power and consequently become yet another Fidel Castro or Robert Mugabe. In view of the geographical situation of Pakistan, General Musharraf will be more dangerous than Castro or Mugabe.

    The only solution to this problem is now division of Pakistan into 5 or 6 more states in order to crush the possibility of any significant terrorist attacks in USA, Europe or India. The world would never want another 9-11 and therefore it is very vital on the part of the Western nations to realize the need of Pakistan???s disintegration for combating international terrorism.

    In my book ???DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM???, I had cautioned the whole world about the upcoming dangers. The first sign has finally appeared. General Musharraf has stabbed the judiciary to pave way for his ONE-MAN-RULE which will certainly support the terrorists who have been active in the region under the safe umbrella of General Musharraf and Pak-army sponsored Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Time has now come to understand that restoration of any democracy in Pakistan is not the real issue but curing the 60 years old disease is more important whereby Pakistan be immediately disintegrated under the supervision of the United Nations.

    Syed Jamaluddin
    France
    Tel +33632821738
    Fax +1 775 269 9669
    dividepakistan@gmail.com
    www.dividepakistan.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: Commentator @ 11/16/2007 1:48:27 PM

    The Most Dangerous or Not, the only choice left for US is to engage Pakistan. Keep supporting them and keep working with them. Stop propagating against it. Whether they like the idea of a Nuclear armed Islamic country or not, they have to live with it. They have to compromise. They don???t have a choice.

  • Posted By: Commentator @ 11/16/2007 1:46:03 PM

    No one understands the ground realities. All this mess was created by the CIA and US during the so called Afghan Jihad. You can???t use human beings as weapons and then discard them. US should take the blame for all this. US and CIA should take the blame for 9/11 and all the so called terrorism going on in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and all over the world. They can blame anyone but themselves.

    Osama Bin Laden was a great Mujahid according to US when he was fighting the Russians. Now he is a brutal terrorist the moment he became useless for US. Saddam Hussain was a great leader when he was killing millions of Kurds and Shias of Iran. Suddenly he became a brutal dictator when he became useless for US. The US is not concerned about democracy or freedom. Its a sham. They supported dictators, monarchs and authoritarian leaders of the middle east as long as they are supporting the US plans. They don???t care that the women in Kuwait don???t have the right even to vote. They don???t care that the women can???t even drive a car in Saudi Arabia. They didn???t care when the Kurds were being killed by Saddam. They don???t care about Human rights in these countries. Similarly, the supported Musharraf despite being an army chief. They didn???t bother about democracy then. And now when they think he is becoming useless, they have abandoned him as well. It???s not just CIA or the government of US, even the common people of US don???t have any moral, ethical, religious or social values. All they care about is themselves. As long as they are happy, they don???t bother how many millions are being brutally killed by their own armies and supporters in the world. As long as their children are happy, they don???t bother about millions of children being killed because of their country's brutal policies. I wonder when would their conscience would wake up.

    This story along with many such stupid efforts to implicate Pakistan into terrorism, trying to isolate it and eventually make it a target, are never going to succeed. Pakistan is no Iraq or Afghanistan who US can roll over. No matter how divided we might seem from outside, no matter how vulnerable we might look, but if attacked from outside, rest assured the response would be so destructive that it would take the entire world down. Any attack on Pakistan, be it surgical strikes on its nuclear weapons or any action against the so called extremists would mean an all out attack on Pakistan. This would start the third world war. Caution to the American people who think they would be safe in their homes, dance in the night clubs, study at colleges and universities while their armies attack one country after the other. It wont be the same if the US dare attack Pakistan or try to isolate it. The war would be taken right into the heart of US. It would be taken to the mainland US and Europe. No American would feel safe no matter where he/ she is. The US and European cities would be attacked without discrimination.

  • Posted By: Commentator @ 11/16/2007 1:44:43 PM

    No one understands the ground realities. All this mess was created by the CIA and US during the so called Afghan Jihad. You can???t use human beings as weapons and then discard them. US should take the blame for all this. US and CIA should take the blame for 9/11 and all the so called terrorism going on in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and all over the world. They can blame anyone but themselves.

    Osama Bin Laden was a great Mujahid according to US when he was fighting the Russians. Now he is a brutal terrorist the moment he became useless for US. Saddam Hussain was a great leader when he was killing millions of Kurds and Shias of Iran. Suddenly he became a brutal dictator when he became useless for US. The US is not concerned about democracy or freedom. Its a sham. They supported dictators, monarchs and authoritarian leaders of the middle east as long as they are supporting the US plans. They don???t care that the women in Kuwait don???t have the right even to vote. They don???t care that the women can???t even drive a car in Saudi Arabia. They didn???t care when the Kurds were being killed by Saddam. They don???t care about Human rights in these countries. Similarly, the supported Musharraf despite being an army chief. They didn???t bother about democracy then. And now when they think he is becoming useless, they have abandoned him as well. It???s not just CIA or the government of US, even the common people of US don???t have any moral, ethical, religious or social values. All they care about is themselves. As long as they are happy, they don???t bother how many millions are being brutally killed by their own armies and supporters in the world. As long as their children are happy, they don???t bother about millions of children being killed because of their country's brutal policies. I wonder when would their conscience would wake up.

    This story along with many such stupid efforts to implicate Pakistan into terrorism, trying to isolate it and eventually make it a target, are never going to succeed. Pakistan is no Iraq or Afghanistan who US can roll over. No matter how divided we might seem from outside, no matter how vulnerable we might look, but if attacked from outside, rest assured the response would be so destructive that it would take the entire world down. Any attack on Pakistan, be it surgical strikes on its nuclear weapons or any action against the so called extremists would mean an all out attack on Pakistan. This would start the third world war. Caution to the American people who think they would be safe in their homes, dance in the night clubs, study at colleges and universities while their armies attack one country after the other. It wont be the same if the US dare attack Pakistan or try to isolate it. The war would be taken right into the heart of US. It would be taken to the mainland US and Europe. No American would feel safe no matter where he/ she is. The US and European cities would be attacked without discrimination.

  • Posted By: mariamfaridullahkhan @ 11/09/2007 3:44:59 AM

    True. Pakistan is in a mess...has many problems....has proved itself as a failure in the international community and although it will be a tough ride back to stability with numerous sacrifices nevertheless pakistan can do that BUT...IF ONLY the US would let it sort out its own mess and not meddle around dictating everything on its own terms...IF we ever want a joint government in the future with the moderate representative 'Talibs' (US has the knack of blaming everything on them ... yes n initially it was the Nazis then the Communists) or any other option to find a way out of this maddness...the US should not poke their noses in others affairs...non of us here in Pakistan want a crazy "Islamist Barbaric" rule (Western writers really need to learn how to write n refer to things keepin a sense of respect n political correctness in mind) and at the same time we dont want the 'American shade' of democracy and their vulgar culture either. to cut it short the Westerners take the liberty of making comments without knowing the whole story - the history, the sensitivites of the locals, future implications for the locals concerned and the views of the other party...they dont even know WHY really the "Al Qaeda n Taliban" hate them...they are too busy making up their own answers n throwing it at the world rather than finding what the reasons are against this ridiculous War on Terror...there can never BE such a thing....!

    • Posted By: CrazyRockstar @ 11/12/2007 8:10:56 AM

      There are 2 huge aberrations in thinking between Pakistanis and the World-

      1. The talibs are not considered moderate as you think. The talibs may appear to be moderate in relation to al-qaeda and others but the thoughts in their braian are similar to al-qaeda.

      2. In this present struggle agsint the Emergency (or Martial Law II), the bad guys (Mullahs and fundamentalists) are rubbing shoulders with the good guys (lawyers, professionals, and others). This is the problem. In 60 long years, the people of Pakistan (good guys) have not been able to shirk of f the "bad" guys and maintain their own distinct identity. Now it is too late and too difficult to do. Now you need outside help. That is why this present struggle against Emergency will not succeed. Who wants to let the terrorists win? Bhutto is saying all the right things only for the sake for saying. She will be no different from any other leader in stalling once she comes to power. Compared to MUshsrraf, she will be even more handicapped as she will not have the absolute power that Musharraf has. At this juncture, only someone with absolute power can crush the terrorism with support from US. This means closing more than 60% madrssasa, sending army to many cities occupied by talibs, cleaning up FATA and NWTerritories thoroghly.
      3. Without US help. nothing can change in Pakistan. Don't blame US, blame the people of Pakistan because all these 60 years they were comfortably lounging on the deck instead of working hard or even being concerned about the spread of religious fundamantalism. WHatever Musharraf has done so far(even if little) against terrorism was due to pressue from US. YOu need the outside pressure to change things. That everybody recognizes. Pakistani's themselves have prooved it. As if that is not enough, your every leader makes decisions on cue from US and or try to get their master's approval before they open their mouth. Clearly, seeing the past behavior of both people and leaders, Pakistan cannot do much without US help.

  • Posted By: musafir @ 11/05/2007 12:31:23 AM

    Shame on you for writing such a outrageous, biased and ridicules article!!

    ???Pakistani leaders created the Islamist monster??????..Hang on a second! Where is the USA? It is crystal clear that the USA helped train the original fighters that became Al Qaeda during the USSR Afghan war and then betrayed them.

    This is all happening because of you. You are the one who are interfering with internal matters of the countries. You are the one who are trying to suppress the weeks and grab their resources and what is happening is the result of that.

    You are the main culprit (Even if you pretend to be not. World knows about it.).

    • Posted By: CrazyRockstar @ 11/12/2007 12:43:03 AM

      "USA helped train the original fighters that became Al Qaeda during the USSR Afghan war and then betrayed them". Were you mentally handicapped that you allowed USA to rape you and you didn't understand the consequences?

      Another funny comment "We should see Pakistn as is". Do you think the entire world is blind and only you are awake or is it viceversa? By now everybody knows every single pulse of Pakistan. It is a hom eof idiocity, madrassahs which are evil spawning factories, demented and devilish people who will kill children or behead anybody, it is based on a dangerous cult called religion mistakenly. The Pakistani leaders feel at home only as long as they are making trouble or making money (in other words sucking the blood of ordinary Pakistani's or of the humane world)

  • Posted By: ziamirza @ 11/07/2007 8:06:07 AM

    The excessive ignorance is so amusing. East Pakistan is a well known country called Bangladesh. Civil war has all kinds of atrocities let???s take a more recent reference of history ??? The Us soldiers in Iraq sexually abused the people they were liberating and protecting. This is racial reasons by the same developed country that boasts racial integration and the protectors of freedom.

    Liberal education is knowing that most of the mahajirs in Pakistan still consider india to be like an ancestral home, most of us will not consider to this to be out of place. The ???posters??? seem to have touched on a nerve. Discussions such as these are everywhere why did Ash get married to that dud Abishek, people were devastated!!

    Some Pakistanis may be from the gene pool but wake up every morning thanking our lucky stars not to be associated with india, a country associated with poverty, an ancient caste system, overpopulated cities and phallus worshipping a common thing. I would take my chances with the Arabs.

    • Posted By: CrazyRockstar @ 11/08/2007 2:20:11 PM

      Arabs are despised and hated for everything about their culttrue seems wrong. They also come acorss as slow, lazy and good for nothing people. On top of that they are Islamic fundos. You want to be like them!!!!!

      Given the choice between Arabs and Indians, you would be better off worshipping a phallus, I tell you.

      • Posted By: ziamirza @ 11/10/2007 12:40:39 AM

        Again these are isolated refrences to peoples attitudes that has nothing to do with a religion. The comment as I later mentioned was not to slander but to display that any culture and religion or people can be generalized incorrectly. Once again the point is missed entirely and selective interpretation coupled with ignorance forces an entirely useless comment that could not be more than the furthest thing from this discussion.

    • Posted By: karaswart @ 11/07/2007 9:39:04 AM

      And the Arabs would love it. Especially the 70year olds who come get women from Pakistan, and unfortunately from our Muslim families too. Hinduism exists from ancient times, when your inspirers still had tails. It is very complex religion, if you want to understand it read its books, else try Dr. Amartya Sen's 'The Argumentative Indian'. Unfortunately, the religion is quite complex and is a not a simple book of do's and don't which appeal to simple minds.

      • Posted By: Lahaina @ 11/07/2007 7:39:50 PM

        Bravo Karaswart,.
        Your replies are raising this chatter to a higher plane - lots of wit, sharp comebacks, and a compendium of historical facts. A sharp pin in the side of hyperinflated.,jingoistic, windbag responses.

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